#that can be interesting to explore especially wrt to who bruce is as a man and in the figure of the batman
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i find it very funny the one place my heart went to find a (visual) depiction of bruce I liked best was in extremely nsfw yaoi batjokes fanart (as opposed to the comics, say). looked at him taking the joker way up his guts and went yep that's mr. wayne.
#it's the vulnerability i think#he looks just the right of tortured/resigned/pleased/open#i like him with the joker i think it's a slippery slope morally speaking but they're peers yk it's the same ground#with the batkids he always owes them something he's always maligned them in some way or the other#that can be interesting to explore especially wrt to who bruce is as a man and in the figure of the batman#but it is also tiring and always feels like a step aside from the character itself#i feel like he could fling the joker off a building and it wouldn't matter their bond is like a rubber band that doesn't snap#bc the joker does retaliate and does address him with derision and disappointment he's not just a dog lapping at his balls#but it's still like. the batman and the joker. there's no world without the other--at least not this one#this is also why im perfectly fine with jason's death and the under the red hood events#or at least i don't find any like. discrepancies there#i feel like in the moment of jason's offer i understand precisely where each of those three ppl are coming from#[a constellation with dubious intentions has sponsored 500 coins!]
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