#tgg ep 13
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youdontloveme-yet · 4 years ago
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THEY DID INDEED PUT NAMTARN IN THE END WITH PANG AND NOT WAVE.
THEY DID INDEED DO THAT
I'M SPEECHLESS
ABSOLUTE GARBAGE
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magicaldreamfox1 · 2 years ago
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like my tgg rewatch proved to me that literally this show IS so good it's sickening. i could write essays on it. i have correct opinions abt every single character. i'm mad it's underrated but on the other hand that means less people can be horrifyingly wrong abt it. so.....
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partytricks · 4 years ago
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after like 5-ish episodes of me advocating for pang getting a break and some comfort for 1 (one) episode, it looks like it was all for nothing
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oneflydude · 4 years ago
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finally forced my self to watch ep 13 of tgg and all i can say is uh...
what.
#i mean okay yeah its cool and all that ppl can choose to have potentials or not#they now have the freedom to be who they are and more#they can develop the country and themselves into something great#but everything before that????#like what was with pom and chanon arguing every 5 seconds???#it was so awkward beacuse everyone was just sitting there not saying anything#maybe the camera panned over to them for like a second but not a single word?????#apart from when wave went to supots lair which was underwhelming because we just find out graces future self stole everything#the whole grace v pang decision scene was very weird for me atleast#like i know pang is their leader and everyone trusts his descisions but they all just sat there like dolls#all the build up and characterisation kinda fell flat when they didnt stand up with their own voices#their onw though and opinions#i mean pang doesnt seem like the typ eof leader to muffle peopls voices#he seems like the type to confide in his peers to ultimatley make a descions#so when it all comes down to him?? and he makes a whole new fucking option ??#it felt like a dues ex machina#oh yeah haha sorry folks everyones gifted and what you thoight all along was a lie!#it fits in with the theme of the show where you literally cant trust anything you get shown#but really?????#idk that really annoyed me#and everyone being silent while grace was having her little fight with her self#it was so stiff and weird#like idk if they knew vefore hand what her potential was but if they did i wouldnt expected SOME kind of reaction#but no time just kinda does the whole i know you can hear me trope and everythings good again#before i hurt my hands im going to stop lol
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ebaeschnbliah · 5 years ago
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T H E   D O O R
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The comments and additions on this post about the famous Baker Street door with the number 221b, got me started on a little research regarding that topic. 
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One of the most striking differences lies in the glossiness of the door. In Series One the door appeares to be painted in matt-black (pic above). A big scratch mark next to the B can be easily seen. 
This changes with ASIB, where the surface of the same door suddenly shines in a brilliant, bright black (pic below). Not the slightest trace of a scratch mark can be detected. 
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But that’s not the only difference. More doors below the cut …..
The unaired PILOT
In this episode the door looks more brownish than black. Maybe this different appearance is indeed due to the special colour used for the filming of PILOT … who knows. BUT there is definitely no scratch mark next to the B.
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Another little but very important detail … the letterbox on the door:
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A Study in Pink
Same letterbox on the matt-black door as in PILOT and there’s a big scratch mark next to the B.
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The Blind Banker
Same matt-black door, same letterbox. Couldn’t find a useful pic of the house number and the scratch mark.
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The Great Game
Same door, same letterbox. Though just barely, the scratch mark can be seen on the enlarged pic.
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A Scandal in Belgravia
The door has become glossy and shiny and the scratch mark is gone. Maybe Mrs. Hudson felt the need for a new paint after the big explosion opposite? And also for a new letterbox, as it seems ….
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The Hounds of Baskerville
Very glossy, definitely no scratch mark next to the B and a plain rectangular letterbox.
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The Reichenbach Fall
Those are the best shots of the door I was able to find. Not much to go on.
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The Empty Hearse
Same door design for Season Three … glossy, no scratch mark, rectngular letterbox.
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The Sign of Three
Glad I was able to find at least one barely useful pic of the door.
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His Last Vow
Glossy, no scratch mark, rectngular letterbox.
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The Abominable Bride
Surprisingly … while whole of London, as well as the interior of Baker Street 221 B, has charmingly turned into the Victorian era for great parts of this episode, the famous door hasn’t much. Only the doorbell is different and the original lock has been removed (compare to THOB pics above).
I would have expected also a subtle change of the house number but most of all … of the letterbox. But this one seems to be still the same plain, rectangular design as used for S2 and S3. 
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Found this pic in an old folder for TAB setlock stuff. Sadly the source is missing.
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Series Four
Not much camera appearance for the door in the whole of S4. Only The Lying Detective provides one blury shot of it. The letterbox - as fas as it can be seen (or guessed) - looks very much plain and rectngular. That’s all I can safely say.
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Some door pics from the Baker Street Set at Upper Boat Studios  2013   (source)
On 21 March, Jean Upton and Roger Johnson, who were in Cardiff to take part in the TV quiz show 'Only Connect', were invited to visit the 'Sherlock' set at Upper Boat Studios. Not knowing that filming had begun on 'The Empty Hearse', they were surprised and delighted to find Benedict Cumberbatch and Una Stubbs there, as well as Sue Vertue and Mark Gatiss. Sue and Mark showed them over the set and allowed them to take photographs, on condition that certain features were not shared until after Series 3 had been broadcast. 
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At North Gower Steet  2016  (source)
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The letterbox  2016  (source)
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The original door in North Gower Street  (Pics from a friend, taken on 13. April 2014. TEH had aired in January of the same year.)
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Not very black and not very glossy. But the letterbox on the original door looks very much the same as the one for the Baker Street door in S2 - S4. 
This leaves the question why the creators decided to change the design of the door after Series One. The big scratch mark is only visible in ASIP, TBB and TGG (not in the PILOT). 
The colour of the door goes from matt-black to very glossy-black. The shiny surface of the door creates not just shadows but almost reflections of People standing in front. Just like on the Instagram pic below, posted by @gosherlocked on 30. June 2019. If the time specification in the pink header is correct, this pic should be from the Baker Street set for Series Four in 2016.
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The changable letterbox
This is even more curious than the change in paint. There are a lot of little, seamingly unnecessary changes from PILOT to ASIP:
Sherlock’s and John’s meeting date - from 14. January to 29. January
Angelo’s alabi from car-jacking to house-breaking
the ‘retired plumber’ into an ‘airline pilot’
Northumberland Terrace to Northumberland Street
the sound of the barking dog moved from the end to the beginning of the episode
changed (mirrored) positions of the characters in almost all the scenes (X)
The letterbox of the famous Baker Street door though, stays the same from PILOT to TGG.. 
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Then, from ASIB onwards, it is replaced by this plain rectangular one. 
Some thoughts going through my mind:
This isn’t just a random door in London. It’s the famous door which leads to the famous detective Sherlock Holmes. Because of this it’s very hard to assume the reason for the sudden changes after TGG should be just some sort of coincidence or even carelessness. After all, the same people are responsible for them who also created this beautiful door for TAB.
For the creation of Sherlock BBC both, the original door in North Gower Street is used as well as an identical studio door. 
The original house number on the North Gower Street door gets replaced with the well known ‘221B’ for filming. What about the letterbox though? Additional to the real door there is also the studio door. This means: change one - change both. Which should rule out a coincidence or a mistake. 
When I noticed the change in painting … from matt to glossy … I first assumed this will happen most likely between TRF and TEH. It could be a reference to Sherlock’s long hiatus. In the time span of three years the chances are high that a door is ready for a new surface. I was surprised to find the point of change actually after TGG. Sure, there are the effects of the explosion opposite, at the beginning of the episode, but later in that ep the door looks cleaned up again. Only the fanlight is covered by a black foil to indicate the damage. Presumed, responsible for the glossy new painting of the door, after TGG, is indeed meant to be the exlosion opposite …. why change the letterbox as well?
Maybe another little mystery to solve. :)  I leave you to your own deductions.
July, 2019
@gosherlocked @sherlockshadow @sarahthecoat @possiblyimbiassed @raggedyblue @thepersianslipper @the-signs-of-two
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berrymeter · 4 years ago
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can a kind soul tell me what happens in ep 13 of tgg bc i still refuse to watch it based on everybody's reactions
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youdontloveme-yet · 4 years ago
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The Gifted Graduation and profanities only. Head empty otherwise.
I can say for sure that I've not been this disappointed in a long time. I don't even understand how a single scene killed all the joy from watching this episode.
We all knew PangWave ain't gonna happen, but this was just rude. They gave us a whole fucking season of a PangWave build up in order to what ? Not even have them in the same room ??
Leaving aside PangWave, why would they put this scene ?? We've been watching ALL these kids grow and develop the relationships between them, get hurt, learn to trust and love... and in the end we get a character that we have not seen all season and are mostly not invested in said character. For what reason?? Which of all that happened in this season is supposed to be consequential to this ?? Which of all that they experienced, led to us not seeing them in the final scene?? What the actual fuck is this logic ??
I'm honestly fine with no PangWave, but this was absolutely dreadful.
On top of everything, they tried to put some romantic undertones. Because why the fuck not, right ?? They did Namatarn dirty. Using her complex character as a simple plot device.
The episode was god tier, until it wasn't.
GARBAGE.
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youdontloveme-yet · 4 years ago
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On today's episode of "I woke up at an unreasonable hour and have too many thoughts" I shall speak about why TGG ending scene sucked so much for me, leaving aside all types of ships.
Yes, hello, its 6 am and it's heavily snowing, so let's get down to why that absolutely ruined the episode. Because my masochism is stronger than me and I'm very inadequate in the morning, but I'm far less emotional now, so~
I cannot structurise, so don't hope on something coherent.
I'll start off with the controversial opinion that we all shipped PangWave a bit too much and turned it into something more than it is 🤷‍♀️ Which is completely fine, but it got out of hand and it made us more disappointed than it should.
Objectively speaking, the ending was god tier, even though the show had so many flaws and completely changed its character driven story, to a plot driven one. Honestly, I was so ready to overlook all of that when the episode started off so good and it was overall so good. Until that last scene.
Why? Because what the fuck?
Even though everything in the last episode was so fast paced and it could honestly get your head spinning, it made sense. All of the build up up until the last 3 episodes was evident enough for us to know that the last episode was going to be fast and it'll slap you in the face every time you thought you understood what is happening. Which I tend to find really exhilarating.
For me personally, it's not about having all the answers or knowing the outcome, it's the journey and lessons it gives me and this show gave me all that ngl.
The ending scene with Pang's narrative was a top notch one. It did a full circle and it came back to where it started, which was honestly beautiful and it got me teary eyed and emotional and all mushy inside. I don't think it could have a more fitting ending scene. And the message behind it, especially in this time we're surviving right now, because we are surviving and we really need that ray of sunshine that will get us hopeful for tomorrow. This scene did all that. It gave us hope that a better tomorrow awaits for us to grab a hold of, a better tomorrow where we could seize the day and turn our lives into something better, without leaving aside the grey and dark areas that still gloom over us. That scene was brutally honest and it gave us all we could've hoped for. And it felt whole.
It was really good ngl.
But the scene before it ? Sloppy writing, rushed script, unnecessary plot.
I love Namtarn, don't get me wrong, but I have not been emotionally invested in her character since season 1. That being said, let's delve into why that scene was so obscure and ridiculous.
The kids have finally won!! We can all take a break. Give ourselves a pat on the back and finally relax. And that's what our characters should also do. ALL of them TOGETHER.
The whole season was their joined effort. Everything that happened throughout the show is all them. And they need to celebrate and finally be happy, okay?? That's all. Very simple.
Well, no. Instead we get Pang alone in a room, brimming with anxiety, pondering on his decision, unsure if it was right or not, staring through a window like fucking lunatic. Because, trust me, boy has had enough. And he jumps the moment he hears a sound. Then you can see the broken look on his face, his mental defeat and it's soul breaking that even though he has won, he feels defeated.
And we get a character who has not been involved in anything that happened this season. Someone who has not been emotionally distraught with Pang and the gang. Someone who doesn't know how they have felt. How they feel now. Namtarn cannot understand that. She hasn't been through what they have.
And they just like "give" us this character to interpret for no reason. I paused the episode i tell ya. And screamed. Pang needs someone to comfort him, give him a hug, understand him. And we get an awkward small talk, that leaves no impact whatsoever. What is the logic behind Namtarn?? They were really close s1, but this is .... dumb ? Pang should be with the others?? Why are they doing Namtarn dirty?
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youdontloveme-yet · 4 years ago
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GMMTV outdid themselves with their heterosexual agenda this time, huh?
Everybody in the fandom: We want the kids happy, even if there's no PangWave.
GMMTV: HAVE THIS SCENE FILLED WITH ROMANTIC UNDERTONES. AND GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE HETEROSEXUAL AND WITH A CHARACTER YOU'VE NOT SEEN ALL SEASON.
I can't even gif my queen Grace after this shit show.
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youdontloveme-yet · 4 years ago
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Hahaha, for a hot second after part 2 I thought we're getting s3. I'm an absolute clown.
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youdontloveme-yet · 4 years ago
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Honestly.
Last scene: GARBAGE
Bye
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