#team kagapol

[anewbeginningagain]

Babes. Kagapol skated in hold. And had transitions. In 2023. For ice dance fans this was fun. Since you are a hater, tell me, which fave team of yours skates in hold with difficult transitions? Or do you not care about old school aesthetics?

So we are saying they are the best-competing team because they skate in hold and have traditions? LOL talk about the bare freaking minimum.

L/L and Candanes skate in hold and have transitions and both are way better than Kagapol ever were. The Taschlers are way better, I also think Green/Parsons are way better. As mentioned before I can make a long list of teams that have better skating skills and better programs. Were Kagapol a promisng team? definitely, were they half as good as their hype? Nope.

And to be clear, I'm not a hater I simply think the hype around them was beyond laughable given their one actual good FD was their R&J FD from like 3 years ago. But thanks for staying true to fs fandoms by calling criticism hate, makes total sense.

[endlessendymion]

Best of Vasilisa Kaganovskaia and Valeriy Angelopol

[moncherelephant]

My favorite ice dance team, Vasilisa and Valeriy aka Kagapol!! Happy weekend all!

Василиса Кагановская-Валерий Ангелопол. Прокаты юниоров (2021)

[beautifulstorms]

Is there a reason Krilova's team isn't competing at senior nationals? They're Russia's best junior team by far (and better then D/S)

kaganovskaia/angelopol? as you said they're juniors, and you can't skate a junior rd at senior competitions because of the different program requirements haha

[illyria-and-her-pet]

Kagapol Skating in Hold Masterclass

First we have 2020-2021 when back outside mohawks were still considered a difficult step, so most teams did them. Not KagaGOATs who did LFO-Cross Roll into RFO-Swing Mohawk (RFO to LBO, CCW) in FOXTROT HOLD. Even now with forward outside mohawks required, most teams choose to do it in kilian hold.

Most teams after their 1st difficult step/turn already break hold & switch to hand in hand or have no contact at all with side by side skating in their style B step sequences this quad. KagaPERFECT maintain close hold with effortless changes between waltz, foxtrot, & kilian hold.

Valeri does 4/5 of his difficult steps/turns in this section. First he does LFO-Mohawk (LFO to RBO, CW) switching from foxtrot to waltz hold.

Vasilisa does LFO-Rocker (LFO to LBO, CCW) in waltz hold.

Valeri does RFI-Counter (RFI to RBI, CW) switching from waltz to kilian hold.

Kagapol both do LBO-Choctaw (LBO to RFI, CW) in kilian hold.

Valeri does RFO-Rocker (RFO to RBO, CW) in kilian hold.

Later in the step sequence Vasilisa also does her RBI-Counter (RBI to RFI, CCW) when switching from kilian to waltz hold.

So in conclusion, a JUNIOR team has done the best job this year of doing extended section without breaking hold & actually performing their difficult steps/turns while in hold.

[twizzleenthusiast]

Time for the young teams to take over. Kazakova/Reviya, Green/Parsons, Kagapol, Lajoie/Lagha, etc. They all have distinct styles and I hope they don't lose that once they start winnign.

I am PUMPED there’s so much potential for cool programs among them

[anewbeginningagain]

It’s so sad to me to still see comments on the YouTube videos of our these WC are boring without the Russians. That these medals are “fake”. This has been the best ladies competition for me since 2013. We have competitors with artistry and technique that actually deserve to win. I’ve been having a blast, definitely one of the best comps so far.

And I hope the Russians don’t comeback with their shaky jumps and terrible choreography

These are basically bots or the human equivalent of bots. These worlds were legit phenomenal, the level in everything, including pairs, was top of the world.

And like realistically, Russians would have had zero impact in men and especially dance where they are a trainwreck (like their top teams are Khuda/Bazin who fell like 7 times this season and she is looking like she's barely hanging on and Kagapol who are to me meh no matter how much fs twitter love to fangirl over them). Pairs would have had them in a fight but top 2 would have given a very very strong fight and B/K didn't score that well internationally last time they competed and T/M are inconsistent af so it's more than likely only one Russian team would have medaled, and women, well aside from Tuktamysheva did they even have other age eligible skaters with quads or 3A? I don't think so.

Basically, even if the Russians were there I don't think it would have mattered that much, and regardless I don't want to see them back.

[anewbeginningagain]

I think the appeal of Kagapol was more in the sense of how much better they were from the rest of the (almost non-existent) Russian field, and they were absolutely a team Russia could've politicked to the top if it so chose. They had mass market appeal more than anything, and the obsession with them was fundamentally rooted in shipping. I can see how someone who hasn't watched a lot of ice dance over a significant period of time could think they're hot shit. However, they were an Anjelika team and as such, they had the usual Anjelika team problems - bad music and choreographic choices (for reference, look up Che/Ayer's SD from 2017 nationals that she did, the Mueller/Dieck programs under her, etc.), clutter for clutter's sake, cool moves but not enough focus on the fundamentals (edge and turn quality was poor, tracings across the ice were sloppy, speed was not generated from the blade/using the edges), and the worst part to me - constant problems with element invalidation/loss of levels, which you'd think would be the easiest thing to fix, but I guess not, given Anjelika's arrogance and obstinacy. My fear with them was actually that their coach would starve/bully one or both of them to a point of not being able to continue, but it turns out that in standard male skating partner fashion, the boy had the personality of a tick.

I understand it but it's aagin going by the bare minimum. Russian ice dance is a shitshow. They had Khuda/Bazin win Russian nationals with falls and mistakes in both programs. They've had most of their teams split because they corruptly politically backed a team that ended up peacing out the moment they had a chance. Russian ice dance have horrible coaches and choreographers, toxic af atmosphere, and just in general really bad teams all around. Were Kagapol the best in that field? Yeah probably, but seriously any team out of Worlds top 10 should be ahead of any Russian team currently competing.

Don't get me started on Krylova, I will never understand tams who go to her - her choreography is horrible, music choices run from uninspired to bad, and she's a notable abusive coach, especially for female skaters.

As for their market value - yeah I saw that they became the new target of shipping, and boy was that creepy af, to ship to minors is beyond sick tbh, I have no idea what people are thinking (not to mention from the little I saw their behavior had Krylova's fingerprints all over).

It is sad to witness the demise of any team, but in true Russian fashion, the atmosphere created for them will always ruin them.

[anewbeginningagain]

I watched Kagapol and think they had the best programs of the season and their skating is better than any other team currently competing. Maybe you can explain why you think their programs are trash and their skating is just ok?

Programs - horrible music choices, borderline tacky Latin theme, unsophisticated choreography full with transition that are meant to look complex (and some of it is) but mostly hurt the flow of the program. And don't get me started on the FD, I'm not even sure what they were trying to do there but it lacked a coherent theme and to me just felt like moving from one element to another while adding dramatic hand gestures and facial expressions.

Skating - their skating is OK, they do skate in hold, they have decent edge quality and knee bend. That being said they are often sloppy, their lines don't match a lot of the time, she tends to bend over quite often which I find distracting, and their speed is OK but not something that stands out.

So no offense but now it's your turn, because to say that they had the best programs last season (they are legit not even in the top 20 best programs IMO) and that their skating is better than any other team competing (again, I won't even let them into top 10 at Worlds, let alone say they are the current best) really demands explanation because I'm truly bewildered by these claims.

[anewbeginningagain]

Honestly I think a lot of cpom's past trouble comes down to Igor and his problems with female skaters, his teams are always a strong male partner with a tiny charismatic female partner getting lifted fifty times a program, and he doesn't have any other mold. I always thought Christina had a lot of untapped potential if the right coach saw it, Klimova personally picked her out as a skater who would grow into a perfect fit for Anthony two years before they even teamed up!! You also talked about Madi C. improving, but also Tanith's SS improved significantly after her move to Linichuk. "You'll never be as good as your partner" is a horrible message to send, but there are multiple qualities you can bring to the table that aren't just about skating skills, and you can always, ALWAYS get better even if you don't end up the best. Z/K have a lot of potential and I'm sure they'll improve, but how much will Igor encourage Emilea's development as an ice dancer?

The thing is, Klimova is just like Igor in many ways, if the female skater is not tiny she will just give her hell instead of utilizing their full abilities. It's not a coincidence that the only skater she never bad-mouthed is Kaitlyn Weaver, and it's also no coincidence that she is now so invested in Kagapol.

I have zero belief in Igor's ability to work with Zingas, he will get her to the lowest level of ability that is a must, but nothing more than that.

[endlessendymion]

Moulin Rouge by Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir  2018 ////  Eastern Path by  Vasilisa Kaganovskaia and Valeriy Angelopol  2022

[beautifulstorms]

Yes they were behind on pcs as well. Makes zero sense. They should have been ahead by at least 2 points in the rd and honestly should have won the free even with the lift deduction because the other team also had a problem with their rotational lift and their pcs should have been the highest

that's kind of horrifying? hope this pushes them to skate really clean at worlds (and jgpf if that happens lmao)

zhulin has no one for next quad which is why i think rusfed wants kagapol there or at least have him on their team of coaches. they're starting to think about how to politic for kagapol and have their top political coaches have the top teams and kagapol are going to be a part of this now

i can see it and i hate it :( i just think that zhulin camp is awful at packaging their teams. like s/k are such strong skaters and performers but when was the last time any of their concepts stood out? and even for h/k their best material was done by outside choreographers. krylova has extremely strange ideas sometimes but at least she seems capable of genuine inspiration

[beautifulstorms]

i’m kind of drawing a blank on non dance programs at the moment, but can i just mention kagapol’s romeo & juliet free dance? also, i’m really loving green/parson’s current free

kagapol romeo & juliet really was so beautiful! and g/p’s free might just get them a spot on the us olympic team 👀

[anewbeginningagain]

I mean, there are so many teams that to me are not at the level of the hype they get, not just Kagapol. KanaDai is the exact same, that Lily girl and her partner who train with Scott, also L/L to me, I really don’t get it with them. So many teams are not worth the hype, not just Russians. It all comes down to personal preference I think. One team can be good to me, and suck to you.

I don't argue with that. In fact, I had a post about who I feel is getting more hype than deserved. As for your list, as you said we are divided, I feel that about Kagapol and about KanaDai too (their practice clips from SA look super promising but last season they were messy af and not really good as suggested by their 16th place finish at worlds yet people kept screaming how amazing they are).

Hensen/Lickers are not being hyped, they are getting compliments for their improvement compared to previous years and for their material this season. It's fair to not like their material but I do think it's hard to argue with their improvement. The same sentiment also goes to L/L tbh, to good material according to many people, and a lot of improvement to the start of the season.

I think we can all have different favorites and argue about who is good and who isn't, but not everything is arguable like the speed, or skating skills, or partnering skills, or the levels teams are getting etc. Some things are objective and some subjective. Tha'ts ice dance.

[anewbeginningagain]

I agree about the doping and the abusive culture in general, but the war? That’s not their fault. They have nothing to do with it. Russian athletes are just victims of the system, and we’ve seen that multiple times. They simply can’t come out and say that they are against the war, Russia is not a country for freedom. You can’t just do whatever you want. And I have to say I don’t really agree about Kagapol, I think they��re good and they have much more potential than many young teams we are seeing, but unfortunately they have terrible programs.

Russian athletes participate in state-sponsored propaganda, some of them post supportive messages about the war on social media, and many of them participated in public events in support of the war. They are participating in Ice Age and doing "heartfelt" programs about women waiting for the hero men to come back from the war, they are doing ice shows that support the war, and the list goes on and on. Are they willing participants or victims of the system? I don't know, but since are used as pawns in the propaganda it's irrelevant and the ban is justified. And you know, I agree that you can't do whatever you want, but they don't have to do Ice Age on TV and do war-themed programs, they don't have to do the skating shows on the war, there are things I can accept they have no choice but doing, but a lot of it is just not it.

As for Kagapol, I agree they have potential, I think they have some nice qualities, but they are definitely at the level of the hype they are getting, and their programs and today also the execution of the program was just not good.

[anewbeginningagain]

So I took one for the team and watched the RDs of Kagapol and team nepotism #1 2.0 (Morozov and her new partner) and let me tell you - Russians do not know how to do latin programs, both programs were horrible, Morozov is still a very bad skater who just serve face (still scored like 81 lmao) and while Kagapol had a few nice moments and have potential (and crazy speed), their skating was messy af. 

It also unberable to watch how the broadcast always highlight the coaches as if their are not abusive piece of shit. Krylova who drives her female skaters into disordered eating, Sivin and Zhuk who only gives a shit about the male skaters in their groups and who threw Sofia Shevchenko like trash when she was struggling and split up Shanaeva /Naryzhnyy so he can skate with Morozov’s daughter and they will coach them and again threw Shanaeva out like she doesn’t matter.

 No one cares about female skaters in Russia unless they are nepotism kids.