#tagging this just in case someone has her name blacklisted and doesn't want to read about this stuff. which is understandable lmao

[yellowloid]

In my opinion, Louise is a very down to earth girl, she's not flashy like Taylor was, but she's not a very party person. Surely is a very mysterious girl, it is not perfectly clear what her job is even if many have opted for her as an influencer, she tends to copy what many influencers do and many times she has copied Alexa and recently also Taylor. She has little personality and is inspired by others but there is nothing of her own that can be said to be interesting. I hope her lack of personality hasn't affected Alex because honestly he's changed a lot since he's been with her

tbh i don't really want to compare them as people (taylor and louise) because i don't want to pit them against each other looking for the "better" one. they're obviously very different people and their dynamics with alex are obviously very different.

i agree on the fact that she doesn't really look like that much of a party person, but i don't find her to be very mysterious either - and that's because she tries too hard to be. the fact that she takes inspiration from alex's exes (especially alexa) isn't exactly ideal, no - but let's not assume she "lacks personality", we literally don't know her!! we don't know how she behaves irl!! i think the problem with her is, again, the fact that she probably thinks/thought that in order to fit into alex's "type" she has to copy his exes (or at least take great inspiration from them) and hide her true personality by doing so. which is just… kinda sad. like girl. for a man???? hell nah. you can do so much better than that.

especially considering it doesn't seem to work that much. he's always away, he barely appears on her socials, they don't even officially live together, sometimes it feels like the furthest she is, the happier he looks. sometimes it also feels like he purposely ignores her (remember back in june when she had her first gig in literal YEARS and he couldn't even be there like. alex. come on)

so yeah he doesn't exactly win the Best Boyfriend award. back to louise, though, i really hope the whole "mysterious 60s/70s french girl" aesthetic is just an ig façade. i hope she's a bit more natural in private and that she's able to actually be herself with the man who's supposed to be her boyfriend, you know? for her own sake. and the other way around too - i hope alex is able to be genuine with her. we don't know how they interact in private, so we can't really tell.

also i don't think he changed because of her. he already had his issues to work through pre-louise. what happened in 2018 with her/taylor/miles probably made everything worse but she's not the devil lmao she's not the cause of all his problems just like she's not some salvific angel making everything better as amanda has been promoting her on her ig during the last few months shfgsksdk

she's just his girlfriend. let her be that if that's what they both want

[janiedean]

It really sucks how judgmental you and some people in this fandom are of anyone who doesn't interpret the text the same way as you or who you deem as intellectually inferior to you. I agree with so many of your ideas about the characters, but I hate how high and mighty you are about those ideas. Someone isn't an idiot if they interpret Jon or Cersei differently than you.

......

lmao

okay anon, thing is: one thing is being high and mighty, one thing is telling you that you’re not reading the text.

like. I read yesterday someone being like ‘omg I read someone dared saying C. abused people and murdered someone before puberty HOW STUPID CAN PEOPLE BE’. it’s textual evidence that a) she molested tyrion sexually and that’s even without taking account my opinion re lann*ncest, b) that SHE KILLED MELARA WHEN THEY WERE TWELVE THROWING THE POOR GIRL DOWN A WELL, which means that whoever said it cannot fucking read the text because it’s black on white that she did both those things and refusing to accept it is Not Reading The Text. that’s not even text interpretation, that’s basic textual reading.

now: never mind cersei who gets a pass for about every fucking shit she pulls because she’s a woman, and don’t tell me she doesn’t because if she got as much shit about robert’s fifteen bastards that she ordered dead without even blinking as theon got for two kids that he’s felt guilty about since it happened then we could discuss it but she doesn’t and that’s not even the beginning of it. now: do you see me tagging my opinions? like, honestly, if I think something shitty about cersei, do you see me tagging it? I didn’t even tag the one time I ranted about the valonqar prophecy with her, I only tagged it with the prophecy/meta/the two characters I thought were the v. and the younger and more beautiful queen, because in the middle I said that imo cersei only cares for herself and I know ppl on her tag aren’t into reading that opinion. so: I didn’t tag it. now: how many people came in my inbox informing me my opinion of c. sucked, was biased and so on never mind lann*ncest never mind actually harassing me for it? well, enough that I had to shut down anon to avoid feeling like shit for two days about it. so like, I’m so high and mighty that I keep my opinions about people I don’t like untagged even if I think that the other side can’t read. but okay.

now, about jonc: listen, fact is, there’s exactly ten people in this fandom that I know of who give a shit about jonc period and three of them are fanartists who show up once in a while. like. exactly TEN. I made peace with the fact that no one gives a fuck about jonc, I 100% embraced that if I want content I have to do it myself, fine, whatever. but what I’m really getting sick of is that every goddamned fucking time I see the jonc tag updating (as in, five times each month if it’s a good month), it’s someone informing us of how selfish, pathetic, useless and dumb he is FOR THINGS THAT ALL OF THEIR FAVORITE CHARACTERS ACTUALLY DO ALL THE TIME and for which fandom at large praises them. or something about how him being in love with R is the most horribly pathetic thing that’s happened to adwd, or how he’s an idiot because he apparently hasn’t understood that aegon is fake because his eyes aren’t the same color as R’s when not even dany’s or viserys’s are, but no one says they aren’t targs for THAT now, do they? and sorry but reading that this dude would treat either rhaenys or jon snow like shit when this is canon:

Last night he'd dreamt of Stoney Sept again. Alone, with sword in hand, he ran from house to house, smashing down doors, racing up stairs, leaping from roof to roof, as his ears rang to the sound of distant bells. Deep bronze booms and silver chiming pounded through his skull, a maddening cacophony of noise that grew ever louder until it seemed as if his head would explode. Seventeen years had come and gone since the Battle of the Bells, yet the sound of bells ringing still tied a knot in his guts. 

Others might claim that the realm was lost when Prince Rhaegar fell to Robert's warhammer on the Trident, but the Battle of the Trident would never have been fought if the griffin had only slain the stag there in Stoney Sept. The bells tolled for all of us that day. For Aerys and his queen, for Elia of Dorne and her little daughter, for every true man and honest woman in the Seven Kingdoms. And for my silver prince.

now: it’s there black on white that he feels guilty for BOTH elia’s and rhaenys’s death, it’s not interpretation, it’s what is fucking written in there same as you can’t interpret that ned’s head got cut or cat’s last thought before she died was about ned loving her hair. so excuse me but I’m tired of going into a character who’s in my goddamned top ten and have to always, always run into people assuming he’s a pathetic selfish asshole (and the one time I tried to argue that there’s no way he’s *selfish*, maybe all the contrary to a pathological degree, the answer was basically ‘lol cannot hear you’ and not even a reblog but nvm that) rather than actual content because any of those people who have a obvious hateboner for jonc can’t just fucking tag it with *anti* jon connington. no, they have to use the character name and it’s never *content*, it’s just this drivel over and over again. and since I don’t do it with characters I don’t like, I’d appreciate if I could have the same courtesy spared for this asshole.

that said, the situation is that *one* single person (that I blocked but that’s apparently not enough for tumblr to spare me from seeing them on the tag) has asked that question to multiple blogs which all agree on jonc being shitty which means that it has popped up on the tag a whole lot in the last month and like....... if you don’t like that character why do you care so much, IDEK, but wow, I wrote one post, that I tagged with the character only, saying that ppl don’t bother to read his chapters (btw, one of the people who replied that he’d have been shitty to both jon and rhaenys was someone I ended up blocking because they were on the tag like ‘lololol grayscale I’m sure elia is laughing from the afterlife’ and when I told them it wasn’t funny and if they could avoid tagging that stuff I got told to fuck off but fine I guess, that was me being holier than thou I suppose...) which is true because they don’t, they only base their reading of jonc on that ONE line about elia which is a) obv. proof he’s jealous, b) way less bad than anything cersei and barristan think about her just to say two but lmao I don’t see them getting dragged for it, but everything else? what? two full chapters? do they exist? tyrion’s chapers? never knew them.

like.

anon, tbqh at this point if you wanna think I’m holier than thou just think that because while I like to think I’m not, if there is one thing I know I’m good at is text analysis (okay, last time I said I got two degrees based on text analysis I got told ‘ah okay so if she studies she’s obv. bragging so she knows nothing’ by someone whose main theory was robb stark is the unsung villain of these books but lol I mean having studied this counts for nothing, right???) and it irks me that in a fandom based on books/text analysis I have to read **meta** which is obviously made by people who haven’t read the text and then when given a counterargument ignore it. but even with that, do you see me engaging with it? nah. I can 100% assure you none of the people I would like to see out of the jonc tag actually go on the jonc tag nor follow me, so they will never know that I think their opinion is shit unless they go looking for it. and this because I might have engaged with at least two of them on the topic once - and nicely, not *judgmentally* - and no one gave a shit or reconsidered their stance, so like, excuse me if once per month I write a post on my own blog venting about how imo a character I like gets a shit treatment.

and for the love of god, anon, sorry, glad you like my opinions, but the fact that you’re coming at me assuming I am judgmental when I come from a fucking month and a half of people literally harassing me on anon over my fucking triple-tagged opinions on c/ersei and lann/incest and ignoring anything I said about how uncomfortable it was making me just because I happened to, in the most generous explanation, WRITE A META WHERE I C/P-ED CANON QUOTES WHERE C. WAS AWFUL TO J. WHEN IT CAME TO HIS DISABILITY which GRRM wrote, certainly not *me*, and it happened to get reblogged by asoiafuni, is really, really rich.

like, I tagged that shit to hell and back so people who aren’t interested in jb wouldn’t find it, I made sure to warn every time, I even tag anti-c/antijc posts so they don’t show up on mobile search in case ppl don’t have the anti tag blacklisted because I’m THAT invested into making sure other people can blacklist if they feel like it, but I can’t fucking say on my blog that I think some people in this fandom pull their meta out of their asses and haven’t even read the chapters of the character they’re supposed to discuss? like... really?

also, I’ll tell you a secret: I don’t remember 90% of what happened in dany’s adwd chapters and I don’t remember about 60% of what happened in her got-asos chapters. zero. now: do you see me meta-ing about dany and/or discuss her arc if not in extremely broad terms unless asked? no, because while I don’t particularly like her, I also don’t think it’d be fair for me to meta about her BECAUSE IF I DON’T REMEMBER HER CHAPTERS THEN I’D BE PULLING OPINIONS OUT OF MY ASS, and I don’t go judging anyone’s opinion re dany beyond the basics because mine is that her chapters are so boring I can’t even remember them. at most I’ll discuss the show version and I can swear to you that even if I’m not a fan or anything I’m still more lenient with her than about 90% of people who aren’t fans, and since I don’t pull meta out of my ass for people whose chapters I haven’t read, I would be extremely grateful of the rest of this fandom paid jon connington the same damn bloody effort, especially when he has TWO of them and hating on him that way is like... why would you, just ignore his fucking existence and let us ten ppl into him have a decent tag.

btw, the ONE time I dared say on a post that wasn’t tagged to hell and back to avoid people finding it ‘it’s kind of hypocritical that people fight themselves over bi!CHARACTER headcanons *because asoiaf doesn’t have lgbt POV CHARACTERS* when they ignore jonc exist and he actually is an lgbt pov character so maybe it’d be nice if they cared about the rep’, I got someone like WELL HE ISN’T LGBT REP ENOUGH, and on the other side I’ve had people actually giving me shit for liking him/writing him content because I’m straight so how do I dare writing a gay dude, and like, idk, since I can’t like him in peace in that sense, can the universe allow me to at least not see bullshit on the tag or is that too much to ask?

and to end this rant: anon, not to be that person, but fyi I’m hardly the person who dictates how the wind flies in this fandom unless we count maybe theon/robb fandom as a ship, my opinions aren’t nearly as popular as opinions belonging to ppl who imvho don’t read these books and that’s fine, I don’t particularly care beyond cultivating my garden as voltaire used to say and see if anyone else wants to come and see the flowers and in case they’re more than free to take some, but like...... the idea that me expressing an opinion about the fact that people in this fandom don’t use the same standards when judging characters and some haven’t read the book or forgot it and assume they know anyway is somehow being high and mighty when I also don’t tag that shit 99% of the time (with jonc I do it just because I know no one but me and ten other ppl goes on that tag) when there’s people in this fandom who outright deny what’s written black on white and actually literally harass you on anon for it when I can 100% swear to you that the only times I’ve gone on anon in my entire life were for a) memes that required being on anon, b) sending people headcanon requests, c) sending people I ALREADY KNEW and who KNEW IT WAS ME personal things that I didn’t want ppl to attach to me because I don’t owe 100% of my life history to tumblr dot com and I always put my face to my opinions.

like, glad you like my opinions, but honestly, if you think this is me being judgmental, fair enough but maybe I’m also tired of having to read stuff that’s based on not having fucking read the book.

thank you.

[forever-andablade]

This is worth a reply because I've actually seen you in specific being condescending to people asking about Mara Sov's lore. Case and point, you stating I should go watch YouTube to catch up on lore when one second through my blog would tell you I very clearly do have a decent grasp on the lore. I however also understand you being annoyed if you really have had to preface your liking of Mara repeatedly because that would be annoying to me as well. As I stated originally, it's totally fine in my opinion to like a "villian". If people have been hounding you non-stop about it, then I sincerely apologize because that's just as ridiculous. But strangely enough, what I have seen the most of, is Mara Sov stans, and yes they are stans, attacking other people and whining. This happened during Forsaken as well but I was hoping that perhaps we had all grown out of that place. Clearly not.

Perhaps it's because in the Tumblr community at least, people that like Mara seem to be a minority. I don't know many that genuinely love her, even if they like how she is written. Again, my main issue is with people being downright rude and condescending to others all over a fictional character and like I said above, it's to the point where people can't even ask about the lore without someone attacking them for either being ignorant or simply not liking that specific character or thing. I could make a post about the Cayde stans too who are just as annoying. I love Cayde but had that tag blacklisted after Forsaken because it got so bad.

What I do take issue with however is blatantly lying about what I said on my own post. I never once stated that Mara herself hasn't admitted her own flaws. She certainly has, especially in this season(I do have the pass). But if you had read my post without an already defensive bias, you maybe could have noticed that I specifically said, "She's an asshole and clearly has no intention to change."

I'm not sure how far into this season's story you are but if you are reading the lore cards we receive from the H.E.L.M computer, you would see she does have no INTENTION to change, at least not in any way that we, the player, has seen yet. Even the cutscene after acquiring Ager's Specter shows she has the same mentality of entitled ownership that she's always had. I understand wanting her brother back, irregardless of how disgustingly cruel she had been to Uldren, he's still her twin brother. Of course she wants him back. But then she immediately flat out said in our faces, that she was mad because even though she helped orchestrate his descent into madness, that she was upset because she couldn't wield him as her own personal weapon.

Now she's verbally attacking us again, following this cutscene up by vaguely threatening us if anything happens to Crow which is absolutely laughable. She gets in Ikora's face, as if Uldren's corruption had anything to do with the Vanguard and Ikora tastefully explains that right to her. Again, all of this is fine and as I said originally, maybe they will give her a redemption arc. And even if they don't, she's still an incredible character. I agree with you that no other character seems to bring on as much heat as Mara Sov, except maybe Cayde.

So with these things being discussed, go ahead and like her? No one can stop you from doing so? You legitimately don't need to explain yourself. Not to me and not to any other clown on Tumblr. You're completely free to love her character and hopefully, enjoy it in your own way, because that's at the end of the day what we all like to do.

But don't come here pretending you and other people haven't been lashing out because the majority simply doesn't agree with you. You can enjoy her as a character without freaking out constantly because people are mean to her. It's unfortunate that the tagging system is so poor and that most people don't tag things properly but alas, that's Tumblr. And as for the name-calling, if people didn't constantly lash out over ANY judgments towards Mara, maybe people wouldn't assume you all have have unhealthy attachment to a fictional character.

And ah... The Oryx argument. It's weird to me how many people consider Oryx and Mara to be similar. Mara led and yes, led, her people to be slaughtered so she could gain more power. Oryx brought his people from the brink of genocide and made them a powerhouse throughout the universe. Him and Mara stand on opposite spectrums if anything. Was Oryx wrong to do the things he did? Absolutely. He destroyed hundreds of planets for the Darkness and would have continued had we not been able to stop him. I've never seen people "simping" for Oryx and completely ignoring the destructive nature of his rule or of the Hive. That's only something Mara Sov and Cayde fans seem to do. I'm not saying it doesn't happen obviously, just that I've never personally seen it.

Again thought, I reiterate, it's lame that you feel so attacked that you need to be purposely rude to others but it's pretty easy to just block people you don't want to see and to scroll past posts you don't like. That must make me seem like a hypocrite but I've been in this fandom since 2016 and I've seen every take you could possibly think of. And it's only ever you die hard fans or die hard pvp players that seem to scream the loudest. You're totally fine to like Mara Sov but you guys don't need to be so furiously defensive over it. If someone else doesn't like her, what does it matter to you? If someone is being a dick to you, there's a fucking block button. Maybe utilize it before being rude to other people for having a different opinion than you. By the way too, that's what makes people call you "stans", "simps," and yes, "toe suckers". Because you're so vehemently defensive about it that having a real discussion isn't worth the effort 🤷‍♀️

Ah, goodbye Destiny 2 tag, I will see you when Witch Queen rolls around. We are immediately back to attacking one another over Mara Sov again and I'm not sitting through 6 months of whining. I'd honestly rather die than listen to people suck her toes 😂

You can 100% like Mara Sov. She's written incredibly well. Doesn't change the fact that she's an asshole and has shown she's pretty much fine to continue acting that way. Again, this is totally okay. If you like her, cool. But at least accept her faults instead of pretending she's God's gift to Destiny. There's nothing wrong with liking a well written villain or anti-hero. Maybe they will give her a "redemption" arc but for right now, most people don't like her because she's cruel, arrogant, and has a massive God complex. Oh, and she's a huge dick to us specifically, the player, constantly. For things entirely out of our control.

All in all, it boils down to you admiring something about her and taking it as a personal attack when someone dislikes her. So maybe it's you that needs to take a break from the game. Harassing people and being rude to them because they don't like your problematic fav is so ridiculous. Like, are you really surprised people don't like her? And if you aren't surprised, why try to bully people in the tags unless you're absolutely trying to be seen as a cunt? Especially if they are new and asking about the lore. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Tldr: Mara Sov stans are back in full force. I think Mara's written great but it doesn't change the fact she's an asshole. The stans, in turn, can't admit that so they have to attack others which is just pathetic.