#t: incest shipping

[shipcestuous]

i shipped and obsessed about so many incest ships that i'm getting surprised when i see a fictional couple who's not related. like, you're not born for each other, and don't have a lifetime of feelings? you just met as adults and decided to build a family together with some random stranger? sounds fake but ok! isn't very red string of fate of you

Lol

I know exactly what you mean.

you just met as adults and decided to build a family together with some random stranger

this is me trying to understand my non-incest ships and how I could possibly ship them

[shipcestuous-two]

so TIL my long-term partner also has an incest kink (in the narrative sense in addition to the more traditional use of the work), and also didn't bat an eye when I made a comment about how it should be decriminalized. he only never brought it up before because I have past trauma re: a relative and so he worried it might be a trigger (instead of one of those things where I really enjoy consensual shipcest in a healing way). so now we've become so much closer! there's a lot of us out there, folks!

That's such great news, Anon! I'm so happy for you! And it's very encouraging for all of us, as well.

[cannibalisticdespair]

[shipcest-f-f]

[proship-love]

Man, whose leg do I have to hump to get some Naegicest around here??

[gio-the-shota]

The gfs

[billowingangel]

🔥 unpopular opinion please 🙏

Gosh, I was all like I'll do this it'll be fun and now I'm anxious 👉👈 I'm not good with controversy.

cw mention of incest and ship discourse

I don't really think any of the characters are related except maybe ones that are multiple representing one country (i.e. Romano and Italy representing Italy. Germany and Prussia [since Prussia may be representing East Germany now?]) I can see though how people may think that but I also can see why people don't. Like some consider UkUs incest but others don't while more people just think Franada is. Really what's the main difference between how those 2 ships had interacted with each other? For a long time I really cared about that stuff but now I don't. And if you consider some to be related then wouldn't most of them be related?

This is what popped into my head but I may change or delete this tomorrow since the phrasing might not be the best or I think of another unpopular opinion. This was the only one I could think of at the moment but I know I have others 😂

[thelittlemermage]

ok ok so I know this doesn’t matter to u and u might even already know but I desperately need you to know that the Day after you posted that thing about ppl getting upset about selfcest, a new adventure time episode dropped where a main character told two separate sets of alternate universe versions of people that the alt versions of each other should kiss. She Encouraged Selfcest. and the fandom is going nuts trying to figure out why she would do that. like man. what.

ok I know u don’t care but I had to tell you cuz it was literally the next day and I can’t stop thinking about it

I DID SEE THAT. I've somehow managed to never watch Adventure Time so I'm personally so far removed from this but I saw people going on about that on Twitter and I was dying kjskllkklsf. What is it about this that makes people lose their minds. Seriously. You can't fuck your clone/alternate version of yourself in reality? ? How is this a moral issue for anyone to the extent that you'd get like...actually upset over it. It's hard to believe just a few years ago the biggest thing on tumblr was Onecest. It's like we jumped into a different reality at some point.

I do care :p If only because I've had to deal with it unexpectedly (at least to me because I'm still in Timeline A idk about the rest of the ya'll) and I was actually surprised people were upset by it. So I'm curious what makes people act that way. I think it's no big deal to feel uncomfortable for whatever reason, but I don't get the part where it makes you go out and attack people in ways that are so dramatic and often gross.

[shipcestuous]

The 'can you ship two characters in a film that isn't even out yet'... I mean I do that all the time. Heck, they just announced a new Avatar (as in The Last Airbender) cartoon series, and it's not even in production yet but the initial description mentions the Avatar having a twin, and I'm like... Hel-lo! I don't even know the gender of the twin and I'm pre-shipping. I hope one of them 'sleeps in the tub.'

It doesn't take much to start having ideas.

[shipcestuous-two]

1/2 It's hard when you have a close friend and they hit you out of left field with incest bashing. (In context, fauxcest in a TV show! not even blood incest or IRL) I do not blame people for having the knee-jerk "ew" reaction, bc it's societally ingrained in them, but they should sit down and rationally examine *why* and if it's valid or not. and people are allowed to have their squicks obvi, but I felt personally attacked. tbf, my friend is a great person. and doesn't know I like shipcest

2/2 but it's also hard as a survivor of sibling CSA, bc if not for the incest taboo, I wouldn't be too ashamed to talk about it, when I can talk about being SA'd by another unrelated person no problem. my problem isn't that it was my sibling but that I didn't consent. I enjoy fictional shipcest and also think incest is morally neutral IRL. I hit a huge anxiety spiral from what my friend said and lashed out without them knowing why. idk why I'm sharing this, just. I felt you all would understand

I'm so sorry you've had to experience these things, and I'm so sorry that attitudes towards incest have made it hard to talk about, and hard to share your shipping interests with friends, too.

I can totally understand how you would react like that. Maybe someday you'll be able to tell your friend, and once they've had time to think, they might reconsider how they feel about it. I think a lot of people are capable of being more open-minded about it, but they have to be prompted in the right way.

[restricted-on-13th]

Let us ignore Gosho Aoyama and appreciate this bundle of beauty

I love how the KID movies build Shinichi and Kaito's relationship.

Movie 3 is when they don't know each other well. They have only met the twice face to face during the black star heist so Shinichi is still trying to "arrest" Kaito and Kaito sees Shinichi as a detective who is chasing him, but then Kaito is shot and Shinichi is concerned for his life and cares for Kaito's dove.

He also doesn't reveal Kaito's disguise when he could have and they work together in the end to stop the criminal. Kaito returns the favour by protecting Shinichi's secret. It's the start of a bond forming between them.

Movie 8 is Kaito testing the waters between him and Shinichi. They had worked together twice more before this movie and Shinichi let Kaito go, but he still declares he will catch Kaito so sue Kaito for being cautious! So Kaito tests the water by also messing with Shinichi, by pretending to be Shinichi, almost as if a taunt to say "if you reveal me, you reveal yourself," and Shinichi almost fell for it.

But this doesn't sour the relationship between them, for we know the two have something they share in common, the love of the chase. There's absolutely no way you describe the scene on the rooftop than homoerotic. And then Kaito is surprised when Shinichi tests him in turn, he purposely falls off a roof. But he does so with the knowledge that Kaito will jump after him and then, like an insane man, uses it to keep the chase going. Kaito isn't even mad that Shinichi did this, just amused.

Then the plane happens and Kaito knows that Shinichi is the best option for his co-pilot in the cockpit. He knows Shinichi will focus on all the lives in their hands and work with him to save them. And when Kaito jumps off the plane, Shinichi doesn't believe Kaito has ran away even though he's not sure what his plan is until Ran says she sees a runway.

Movie 10 is another example of Kaito testing the waters with Shinichi. He knows Shinichi is involved in something dangerous but he's also not alone in investigating, another detective is there. At this point, he and Shinichi have two more times after the events of movie 8: the one which is a challenge between the two of them where both were eager for their next encounter when it ended and the mansion where Shinichi again knew Kaito's identity but didn't reveal it in order for the two of them to work together again.

But now Heiji is present and will he work alongside Kaito? So he goes in disguise as another detective. Shinichi figures out at some point it is Kaito but again he works alongside Kaito instead of informing Heiji that it was him. And this is a big deal, Kaito would know that Heiji is Shinichi's best friend, the one who also knows Shinichi's secret, and so it must worry him that he will tell Heiji that KID is among them and potentially hinder his chance to investigate (he doesn't know Heiji as well as Shinichi). Once again, Shinichi preserved Kaito's secret.

Movie 14 is a big one for the duo, it's the first time the two work with each other with no disguises between them. After Movie 10 they had three more encounters, one was to clear Kaito's name, one was a fun challenge between the two of them Kaito purposesly did to challenge Shinichi and impress him with his magic and the third was when they worked together to save Lupin from the vault.

At this point, the bond between them is pretty solid. Shinichi isn't seriously trying to capture Kaito anymore and even let him go on the last encounter they "faced" one another. Kaito saving Shinichi has probably also become second nature to him at this point but what hasn't is Shinichi being the one to ask Kaito to work together with him to get back on the blimp. He even offers his own face to do so.

They also reached 3rd base.

And even though Shinichi doesn't ask Kaito to help with the terrorists Kaito still helps him from time to time. He isn't the one who corners Kaito this time either, it was Ran due to Kaito's own actions. Shinichi does come to the deck, but it's more for Ran than to stop Kaito, who has already been chased off by Ran.

Movie 19 almost feels like the duo taking steps back due to how they don't work together until the end of this movie but it's not. Yes, they have had multiple encounters again since Movie 14, with one of them being Shinichi once again asking for Kaito's help to save a life, even though it also put Kaito in a dangerous position with the faith that Kaito is more than capable of pulling it off, however this movie tells us why there is a change.

Kaito's criminal MO changed. Shinichi, when he first watches the live footage when Kaito appears even questions if it was him due to how unusual this is for him. This isn't the usual Kaito and he knows this and the movie is Shinichi trying to figure out why Kaito has changed.

Meanwhile, for Kaito, again it's almost like a silent test for Shinichi, will you still trust me if I seem to have changed who I am or how I behave without you knowing? And he gets his answer at the end of the movie. Yes, Shinichi does. He uncovered the mystery that Kaito left for him and moved immediately to help. He even trusts Kaito to protect one of the people who mean the most to him.

And it's all these movies together that makes Movie 23 so great. It's the accumulation of all there previous encounters building to this point, where Kaito knows that Shinichi will help him no matter what he asks. And Shinichi once again proves it even more in this movie when he goes to help Kaito during his heist when he didn't ask. They show the world not to underestimate the two of them when they work together.

Despite their episodes and movies being far and few inbetween, it builds their bond incredibly and I love how the movies show the progression of it so well.

I wonder if Movie 27 continued to build this bond and I can add to this when I watch it.

[shipcest-f-f]

Shipcest pairings but they are slowly beginning to behave like a couple

[lameotello]

been having a craving for rarepairs lately. Recent winner is Karai/Donnie from r.ise. Y'all know this has the possibility of being all sorts of hot and nasty

[mordredpendragon]

hiii cain. for the ask meme: yvain of the lion!

YESSS OUR BOY !!!! thank you cen!

here's an yvain doodle for you! <3

putting the ask game under the cut

favorite thing about them

HIS LION <3 unironically my fav. that's his big kitty. gawain is to gringolet is to yvain is to his lion. i think its really funny that yvain just treats his lion like you would with a dog

ALSOOOOOOOO his madness arc.... the fact that he's divorced canonically is hilarious to me. he got divorced then got remarried. hilarious. he's laudine's puppydog forever

least favorite thing about them

nothing why would there be smth i dislike about yvain our boy. maybe the lack of retellings or modern stories that feature or center yvain? we need sooooo much more of him!

favorite line

changed my brain chemistry i fear. (source)

arthurian men yearning for their lady loves seriously hits different

brOTP

HIM AND GAWAIN 100% THEY'RE SO GOOD AAAHHHHH I LOVE FAMILY.

this part from Yvain: Knight of the Lion by M. T. Anderson KILLS MEEEEEE.

they're also together all the time in medlit, like in the welsh peredur, the knights peredur first meets (and befriends) is literally gwalchmai and owain.

Peredur son of Efrog tl. Sioned Davies

they're family attached by the hip + the fact that gawain literally followed yvain into banishment after he defended his mom morgan after trying to kill urien drives me insane. i love them. they're family its so important. doesn't help that @queer-ragnelle rewired my brain chemistry on their friendship/dynamic through her books lol. they're flops together and they're best friends its great.

and speaking of morgan, they're another dynamic i thinkn about so often too.

yvain loves his mommy !!!! steinbeck srsly changed me i NEEEDDDDD more stuff that includes him as morgan's son i think it's such an underrated and underutilized dynamic, there's so much to unpack there

The Acts of King Arthur and His Noble Knights by John Steinbeck

I FEEL CRAZYYYYYY. + ewain saying that morgan never used magic and that she warns him against it? BRUHHHHH STEINBECK COME BACK AN YVAIN CENTRIC RETELLING COMING FROM YOU WOUL'VE BEEN SO FIREEEEE

OTP

him and his wifey laudine <3 <3 <3 <3 what else could there be <3

nOTP

i don't really have any tbh. just no incest ships for me.

random headcanon

i think he and laudine are into some crazy bdsm femdom shit in the bedroom does that count.

unpopular opinion

i don't really have an unpopular opinion i just think he should be utilized more. i'm pretty neutral on morgan's son being mordred in retellings/film, but it would be nice to see it be yvain for a change

favorite picture of them

pretty much everything in The Knight With the Lion by John Howe, John Howe is an artist i admire for his work in Lord of the Rings, so him having worked on Arthuriana as well is great!

[shipcestuous]

Do you all just wake up in the morning and the first thought is.. Incest ships? Because I do. I'll get everything done, but before running off to AO3.

[shipcestuous-two]

I have a theory that basically anybody could be an incest shipper in the right circumstances--I have a friend who used to consider themself anti-shipcest, but then got really into GoT in college and now they don't ship it *often* but they have a couple sibling ships. I think the relative popularity (pun intended) of "gateway" ships like Daemyra or Bwen or Pinecest highlight that, if a pair has enough chemistry--deliberate or accidental--people will ship it whether they think it's "moral" or not

I agree, Anon. In fact, I just made a comment on a recent post about "the right exposure". A lot of us weren't always incest shippers, something triggered it. I do think that for almost everyone, maybe everyone, they have their own trigger. An incestuous relationship depicted in a certain way, or being really popular, or just being shipped totally shamelessly by a community having a lot of fun doing it. Maybe reading the right fic? It has the potential to shift even an anti's perspective.

They might cling to their not related AUs and things like that, but the seed is planted.