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Babe, directed by Chris Noonan
That'll Do, original soundtrack by Nigel Westlake
(adaptation of Camille Saint Saëns' symphony no 3 in C minor, Op 78)
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My dad listened to opera (Aida and Pagliacci ONLY, which is funny because there are lots of other good operas) and light classical music (RCA's 1960 Festival of Light Classical Music, another banger), he had an absolute wailer of a 50's recording of the Toccata and Fugue in D minor which on a decent sound system was like a sit-down with God, Saint-Saens' Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op. 78 (which is the one that got pinched for the 'Babe' soundtrack) and THEN as an adult he went back to school and took philosophy and hung with dope smokin' rebellious types and then we went through ALL the Moody Blues Albums, MANY of the Bob Dylan Albums, ALL the early Joni Mitchell Albums, and stopped off at Osibisa, Black Orpheus, the ubiquitous Take Five album, Simon & Garfunkel, the Sandpipers, the New Christy Minstrels, Sonny and Cher (!?! 'a cowboy's work is never done' on autistic repeat, one of our houseguests screamed for mercy one of the funniest things I ever saw as a child), the Strawbs and whatever else took his fancy. My kids didn't get anything like this because I never had a decent sound system after my 26th bday but then the internet came along and they formed their own taste without my influence.
it is a parents responsibility to play good music during their child’s formative years. make sure the nostalgia playlist is a banger
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Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 78 “Organ Symphony”: IIb. Maestoso – Allegro by Thierry Fischer, Paul Jacobs & Utah Symphony https://www.shazam.com/track/439257175/symphony-no-3-in-c-minor-op-78-organ-symphony-iib-maestoso?referrer=share
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With its well-earned jubilant organ-enriched finale, I don’t need to explain why Saint-Saëns 3rd belongs on a #holidayplaylist. But the history of this particular recording is fascinating and potentially disturbing.
Let’s start with the dates and places: The orchestra was recorded in June and November of 1985 at Salle Wagram. The organ was recorded almost exactly a year after the first orchestra sessions at the Chartres Cathedral. This isn’t the first recording of the symphony to record the organ and orchestra at separate venues, but a year apart? There must have been some logistical nightmare here. And this is where it gets interesting.
By 1985, Ozawa was 12 years into his tenure as the music director of the Boston Symphony Orchestra. Unlike Salle Wagram, Boston Symphony Hall has a magnificent organ. That organ had already been used in a successful recording of Saint-Saënt’s 3rd led by Charles Munch. The orchestra was deeply steeped in French tradition. A year earlier, EMI, the same label that produced this recording, released another recording with Ozawa and the BSO. So the inescapable question is: why did EMI record Saint-Saëns’s organ symphony with Orchestre National de France, which does not have an organ, instead of with Boston Symphony Orchestra which does?
Alas, the most obvious answer I can come up with is that without a French orchestra, some feared a recording lead by Ozawa wouldn’t be “authentic” enough or “French” enough, raising troubling racial implications. Ozawa’s photo is nowhere to be found on the front or back cover of the original record. I wonder why.
I hope my conjecture is wrong, but I don’t have a better explanation. The organ is mixed in pretty surgically - it’s only heard when it needs to be and only as softly as the music allows. The muddiness of the reverberant cathedral acoustics is thus avoided. And the orchestra gives Ozawa a heartfelt performance… but it’s still not the same as having the orchestra and the organ really play together.
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ARTUR RODZIŃSKI & THE CLEVELAND ORCHESTRA
THE COMPLETE COLUMBIA ALBUM COLLECTION
Tras la reciente publicación por Sony Classical de 16 CD de las grabaciones de Artur Rodziński con la Filarmónica de Nueva York, llega la esperada colección de 13 discos de sus grabaciones completas con la Orquesta de Cleveland, que Rodziński dirigió de 1933 a 1943.
Consíguelo AQUÍ
El apasionado y volátil director polaco (1892-1958) -cuyo estilo ágil y propulsivo emulaba el de su ídolo Toscanini- se ganó la reputación de forjador de grandes orquestas: dirigió y puso a punto la Filarmónica de Los Ángeles antes de ocupar su puesto en Cleveland. En 1935, atrajo la atención de todo el país hacia la orquesta del medio oeste cuando la dirigió en el estreno en EE.UU. de la ópera de Shostakovich Lady Macbeth del distrito de Mtsensk.
Durante su etapa en Cleveland, Rodziński moldeó su orquesta hasta convertirla en un brillante conjunto que su sucesor, George Szell, elevaría después a la preeminencia internacional. Mientras tanto, Rodziński también trabajaba en Europa, convirtiéndose en el primer estadounidense nacionalizado que dirigió la Filarmónica de Viena en el Festival de Salzburgo. Allí Toscanini admiró su trabajo y en 1938 lo eligió para entrenar a su nueva Orquesta Sinfónica de la NBC.
En Cleveland, entre 1939 y 1942, Rodziński dirigió varias grabaciones importantes para Columbia Masterworks, todas ellas contenidas en este nuevo conjunto. Con el dedicatario Louis Krasner como solista, realizó la primera grabación en estudio del Concierto para violín de Berg. Sus otros aclamados 78 sets incluyen la Sinfonía fantástica de Berlioz, Scheherazade de Rimsky-Korsakov ("entre las mejores interpretaciones que se han hecho de esta partitura incorregiblemente popular" - High Fidelity), Ein Heldenleben de Strauss, la Quinta Sinfonía de Tchaikovsky ("Notable aquí es la tensión del segundo movimiento y el heroico cierre del primero" - Gramophone), así como las de Sibelius y Shostakovich, Romeo y Julieta de Chaikovski ("Emoción inmaculada" - Gramophone), La Mer de Debussy y el "escenario" orquestal de Show Boat de Jerome Kern, además de una grabación inédita del Concierto para violín de Mendelssohn con Nathan Milstein.
Hasta ahora, la mayoría de estos álbumes solo se habían editado en 78 y reeditado en LP. Así, la colección de 13 discos de las grabaciones de Rodziński en Cleveland, meticulosamente editada y masterizada por Sony Classical, llena un gran vacío en la discografía en CD de este director de orquesta, que sigue siendo muy admirado.
CONTENIDO DEL SET:
DISCO 1:
Ravel: Daphnis et Chloé Suite No. 2, M. 57b
Ravel: Rapsodie espagnole, M. 54
Ravel: Miroirs, M. 43: No. 4, Alborada del gracioso (Version for Orchestra)
DISCO 2:
Debussy: La mer, L. 109
Kern: Show Boat (Scenario for Orchestra)
DISCO 3:
Shostakovich: Symphony No. 5 in D Minor, Op. 47
DISCO 4:
Strauss, R.: Till Eulenspiegels lustige Streiche Op. 28
Strauss, R.: Salome, Op. 54 - Salomes Tanz (Dance of the seven veils)
Strauss, R.: Der Rosenkavalier, Op. 59, Act II: Waltz Suite
DISCO 5:
Tchaikovsky: Romeo and Juliet Overture-Fantasy, TH 42 (1880 Version)
Tchaikovsky: 1812 Overture, Op. 49, TH 49
Tchaikovsky: Marche Slave, Op. 31, TH 45
Mussorgsky: Khovantchina: Dawn Over the Moscow River (Prelude to Act I)
DISCO 6:
Sibelius: Symphony No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 82
Järnefeldt: Præludium
Sibelius: Finlandia, Op. 26
DISCO 7:
Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 in E Minor, Op. 64, TH 29
DISCO 8:
Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F Minor, Op. 10
DISCO 9:
Rimsky-Korsakov: Scheherazade, Op. 35
Weinberger: Variations and Fugue on "Under the Spreading Chestnut Tree"
DISCO 10:
Beethoven: Symphony No. 1 in C Major, Op. 21
Mendelssohn: A Midsummer Night's Dream. Overture, Op. 21
Mendelssohn: A Midsummer Night's Dream. Incidental Music, Op. 61
DISCO 11:
Strauss, R.: Ein Heldenleben, Op. 40, TrV 190
Weber: Der Freischütz: Overture
DISCO 12:
Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique, Op. 14
DISCO 13:
Schoenberg: Concerto for Violin and Orchestra, Op. 36
Berg: Concerto for Violin and Orchestra "To the Memory of an Angel"
Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto in E Minor, Op. 64
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Camille Saint-Saëns ~ Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 78, R. 176 'Organ Symphony'
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If music were a chair, I'd be swinging Camille Saint-Saëns's Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, Op.78, R. 176 "Organ Symphony": III. Maestoso - Allegro at all y'all's heads.
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would you like to hear an organ
ms when i suddenly hear an organ in the second movement of saint-saëns 3 which is literally titled . "organ"
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I was listening to one of my favourite songs, "If I had words" sung by Scott Fitzgerald & Yvonne Keeley. This song was based off of Camille Saint-Saëns's Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 78, 'Organ' finale The contrast between both songs is simply so unique, but the sentiment and emotion I get from them are the same. ❤❤❤ this song is also what has always been included on my "wedding playlist" ever since I was a young sprout 😆
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Babe, directed by Chris Noonan
This is a Tale, original soundtrack by Nigel Westlake
(adaptation of Camille Saint Saëns' symphony no 3 in C minor, Op 78)
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Camille Saint-Saëns (1835-1921) - Symphony No. 3 “avec orgue” in c-minor, Op. 78, IV. Maestoso - Allegro - Più Allegro - Molto allegro - Pesante. Performed by Daniel Roth, organ, and F.X. Roth/Les Siècles on period instruments.
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Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 78 “Organ Symphony”: II. Allegro moderato – Presto – Maestoso – Allegro by Marzio Conti & Oviedo Filarmonia https://www.shazam.com/track/149000573/symphony-no-3-in-c-minor-op-78-organ-symphony-ii-allegro?referrer=share
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Music to Make Cats Sleep - Best Music For Cats
CATS AND MUSIC: WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW
Music for Cats? Is there such a thing – and if so – what information do we need to choose the right kind?
Here is everything you need to know.
Music moves us as human beings. This is due to the fact that the human brain sends all kinds of acoustic signals which are triggering emotions in the brain. But is the effect the same for cats and does it yield the same reactions?
All of these are questions that scientists and musicians have examined by performing tests on what influence music has on cats: A very positive one! – given, the right type of music is played.
But what exactly is the right kind of music for cats and why do they like it?
Can cats anticipate distinct tunes?
How do they perceive music?
Cats are excellent hunters, all their senses are refined for exactly that reason.
Not only do they know how to approach their prey soundlessly, they can also feel their environment via specifically sensitive hair on their front paws.
Thus, they perceive even the slightest of vibrations that we as humans normally would not even recognise – cats are purring seismographs!
In the animal realm, the hearing of cats is one of the best; it is developed to an extent that they can hear the slightest peep of a mouse.
Even in their dreams!
This is a matter of survival – because in the wild, they would become easy prey to their predators during nap time.
Music is always preceived by cats – even if noted down by the composer as “ppp” – pianissimo possibile (as low as possible).
Species-appropriate music
Scientists of the University of Wisconsin in Madison took a closer look and examined how different cats reacted on a variety of music initially composed for human ears only.
The result: There is a special kind of music which is pleasant to cats’ ears – not surprisingly, it is the type of sound best suited for their highly sensitive feline ears.
Orientated on cats’ sounds
So what tunes flatter your cat’s ears the most?
Scientist have found out that sounds perceived as pleasant during the first weeks of childhood remain the most enjoyable ones for cats throughout their lives.
When kittens come into this world, they are well fitted with a number of survival reflexes. However, in the beginning, they can’t see or hear. Only in the second week of their lives can kittens perceive their environment with all their senses.
Want to know more about a kitten’s development stages?
The first rhythms that a kitten perceives are the vibrations of their mother’s heartbeat, purring, or the drinking noises they make when sucking on their mom’s teats. These sounds are connected with comfort and security.
High frequencies
Cats’ feel-good music entails sounds connected to positive early-life experiences. Purring or sucking noises are therefore “top of the pops” for cats – they lead the feline charts, so to speak.
Cats like to communicate in rather high frequencies, since they simply like the sounds that are – in most cases – an octave higher than the human voice.
Anyone composing music for cats should therefore include instruments with a high pitch.
Perfect are the violin, cello and electronic keyboard instruments – with these, also beginners have a good chance of achieving a good spot in the cats’ top ten.
The right speed
But it is not only the tone which makes the music, dynamics and tempo also play a role!
For comparison: Purring creates 1000 beats per minute!
Based on the structure of purring sounds, frequency and tempo are most pivotal to making music which is pleasant for cats. This “purring speed” synchronises the heartbeat and allows our feline housemates to completely relax.
Cats don’t like noise
Music for cats should never be too loud.
Since cats have a much more sensitive hearing than humans, keep the volume down!
Aggressive sounds, repeating staccato rhythms and chords don’t sound right to your cat’s ear – they are definitely not techno, trash or heavy metal fans! – Stick to the headset to avoid stressing them out.
Many different instruments and a mix of tonalities are not the right thing either – you would not find multiphonic jazz combos in a cat’s record collection.
Which soothing music is right for cats?
Now you know what type of music is not well received. But what are the cats’ favourites?
What is the ideal chill-out music?
Is there any music which is not only pleasant but also de-stressing for cats?
For example, relaxing and sleep-enhancing music?
Classical music is often a safe choice: Baroque composers like Johann Sebastian Bach and Georg Friedrich Händel appease and relax our feline friends.
Soft classical music
Classical pieces are soothing not only for humans but also for cats. Tests have shown that music influences the vegetative nervous system which in turn controls the cardiovascular function. The kind of music we listen to even affects our blood pressure and breathing.
The soft, harmonious sounds also calm down our cats and lead to relaxed breathing and a well-balanced heartbeat – with some cats, even the pupils get smaller.
But which exact music has this effect? Not all cats like the same tunes – play a few pieces to your cat to find out about it’s taste.
Here are some examples that should have a relaxing effect:
Johann Sebastian Bach Goldberg-Variations (BWV 988)
Ludwig van Beethoven Moonlight Sonata (op. 27, Nr. 2) Piano concert No. 4 G-major (op. 58)
Frédéric Chopin Fantaisie-Impromptu (op. 66)
Claude Debussy La Mer
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Symphony No. 40 G-minor, 2nd movement (KV 550)
Maurice Ravel Piano trio in A-minor
Camille Saint-Saëns Symphonie Nr. 3 c-minor (op. 78)
Natural sounds and frequencies If you are looking for soothing music for your cat, also try playing natural frequencies and sounds.
Natural sounds have a relaxing effect on both humans and cats.
A prime example is the sound of sea waves.
This frequency (twelve vibrations per minute) is perceived as soothing, as it resembles our breathing rhythm during sleep. It does therefore not only remind us pleasantly of holidays on the beach, we also – subconsciously – connect it with relaxation and rest.
Also our cats search for these natural sounds and vibrations, which to them send “pleasant” and “calming” signals. Certain music used for meditation practise may for example have the same soothing effects on both you and your cat.
Music composed for cats
Various scientists have meanwhile conducted research on the musical taste of cats. The results were used to compose special cat music related to the frequencies used for communication among the animals.
By adding some conventional musical elements, these compositions were then made “human-friendly”, so that we can also enjoy them. Then, they were played to cats.
– The test subjects were thrilled! And this is how it was done:
Composers like Oliver Kerschner, Charles Snowdown or David Teie created species-appropriate music using the research results.
Admittedly, some pieces may be a little hard to get used for human ears at first – but cats just love it!
“Music for Cats”– David Teie
David Teie is a professional cellist with the Washington National Symphony Orchestra and teaches at the University of Maryland.
Together with Professor Charles Snowdon, psychologist and expert for animal behaviour at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, he composed “Music for Cats”.
Cat fans from all over the world were enthusiastic and reported relaxed and soothed cats, caressing the loudspeakers!
You can get both the “Music for Cats” albums by David Teie here
Sensitive hearing
As opposed to eyes, ears unfortunately cannot be shut: Whoever shares a flat wit a cat knows when things are getting too loud for the feline housemate – a harmless vacuum cleaner may border unbearable conditions!
In that case, cats choose flight over fight – off to a quiet refuge.
Your cat’s hearing is extremely sensitive!
Even better than the hearing of a dog!
Their ears are like big, movable hearing aids, consisting of 64 single muscles (32 in every ear); with those they can point their ears quickly in all possible directions.
For this, they don’t even have to move their head.
High frequencies
Imagine, you have an amplifier implanted in your ear – hearing everything better and louder.
Cats hear a lot more than we do. They perceive sounds that we don’t even realise; much lower sounds for example, or other frequencies we are not aware of – mostly among the higher pitches. Humans only hear sounds between the frequencies of 16 Hz to 20 kHz.
Animals can hear ultra sounds of up to 20kHz to 1.6 GHz – too high a frequency for us to perceive.
Localisation of sounds
Nothing escapes a cat’s ear!
Outside or inside – even in the dark – cats know how to find their prey before the victim itself knows where it is.
The cat’s hearing does not only amplify sounds many times over – the animals can also estimate perfectly, where the noise is coming from; because their ears are extremely movable and can rotate to up to 180 degrees.
The sound hits the eardrum after having been transmitted by fine hairs, membranes and small bones through the ear canal, and signals to the cat’s brain, where the noise is coming from.
Bad hearing in old age
Cats can suffer hear-loss in old age, just the same as humans do.
This is mostly a matter of blood circulation; if the ears are not well supplied with blood any more, the cat will hear less. You will realise this e.g. by an increased jumpiness because they can’t hear you approaching – or even their meowing gets louder, as they can’t hear their own voice as well as they used to.
Most cats hear less after reaching the 10th year of their life. However, cats normally learn to cope with age-related loss of hearing and will find a way to work around it.
The other senses will take over part of the tasks and help out, so to speak; an older cat has a rich wealth of experience to fall back on and will know how to adapt to the new situation.
Music has a calming effect
Music influences emotions.
In many a vet’s practice, music will be used to calm animals down and make the visit easier for them. – And it works!
Certain types of music are known to be especially effective for calming cats. When cats hear this kind of music, you can tell, how quickly they relax – even fighting tom cats will calm down.
Playing relaxing music is also a good way of easing unknown or stressful situations. Prime examples are holidays like new year’s eve or long car trips – not very popular with many cats.
What music suits a cat?
Is there such a thing as cats’ music?
How about the musical “Cats”? Should our feline friends not go for it automatically?
Andrew Lloyd’s melodrama counts as the most successful musical of all times – and all the leading roles are cats!
But seriously, do cats really like the same music as we do – or do they perceive it entirely differently and therefore have a much different taste in music?
What counts as pleasant to them?
“What kind of music do cats like and what effect does it have on them?” – Many scientists have asked themselves the exact same question – and found an answer to it...
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Because I reblogged this post and then belatedly thought of a few additions:
Minuet #1 in G Major by Johann Sebastian Bach - think “A Lover’s Concerto” by The Supremes and beautifully covered by Kelly Chen.
Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 78, the organ finale by Camille Saint-Saëns - If I Had Words from the Babe soundtrack (a further breakdown here)
Symphony No. 7, Op, 92 by Ludwig Van Beethoven - Movement #4 featured most prominently in Carl Sagan’s Cosmos but wasn’t included in the soundtrack (I will hunt for the actual episode I found it in later. Stay tuned!).
Classical Pieces You've Probably Heard but Might Not Remember the Name
William Tell Overture- Rossini (Most famous part at 8:45, but why not listen to the whole thing?) I’m adding hints, at least to the ones I recognized culturally. This one is “go, horsey, go!”
Also Sprach Zarathustra- Strauss Slow, dramatic entry scene, IN SPAAACE.
Eine Kleine Nachtmusik- Mozart People running out of a fancy wedding or something. Also known as DUN, dun DUN, dun DUN dun DUN dun DUUUUN.
Symphony 94, Mvt. 2 “Surprise Symphony”- Haydn ?
Toccata and Fugue in d Minor-Bach Halloween organ!
Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2- Chopin Picture a tiny old woman playing piano in a sunlit room with lots of flower vases, about the spill the tragic secrets of her past to some timid young visitor.
Rondo alla Turca- Mozart the babysitter from The Incredibles: “Time for some COGNITIVE ENRICHMENT!”
Sinfonie de Fanfares: Rondeau- Jean-Joseph Mouret Royalty is coming. Or someone is getting married. Or royalty is getting married. Also the PBS Masterpieces theme.
The Four Seasons: Spring- Vivaldi (I just linked to the whole thing because it’s great) Again, someone is getting married, but this one is strings instead and a lot less frumpy.
Jesu, Joy of Man’s Desiring- Bach That one that amateur guitarists love where the notes are all up and down but all the same length. Also used in movie weddings.
O Fortuna (from Carmina Burana)- Carl Orff SONG OF DOOM. Also song of “baby on fire!” in The Incredibles.
Funeral March- Chopin ?
Orpheus in the Underworld: Infernal Galop (A.K.A. Can Can)- Offenbach Well, “aka can-can” says it all.
Pomp and Circumstance (You probably graduated to this)- Elgar Oh yes, Baaaa dun dun dun duun duuuuun… Also if you were a bandie you had to play it for 3 years before graduating to it.
Gayane: Sabre Dance- Aram Khachaturian Comically hectic productivity, a circus clown juggling while standing on a ball, or perhaps a rapidly-approaching termite infestation. Could go any way, really.
A Midsummer Night’s Dream: Wedding March- Mendelssohn The song movies play right AFTER they both say “I do.”
Carmen: Les Toreadors- Bizet I can’t be the only one who remembers when ‘Hey Arnold’ did this. “Bullfights and swordfights, rolling in manuuure!”
The Ride of the Valkyries- Wagner Good song for a naval battle I guess? I can only think of the mini golf course I went to as a kid with the creepy castle on Hole 18 that played this.
Für Elise- Beethoven That one every amateur piano player loves to play because the beginning is just E and E-flat over and over. Also ballet and piano recital scenes in movies.
Dance of the Hours- Ponchielli Hello mudda, hello fadda, here I am at, Camp Granada…
Rigotello: La Donna e Mobile- Verdi More than a few sophisticated movie villains (or snobby good guys) have this playing on a Victrola. Also, tell me you don’t picture Pavaroti no matter who’s actually singing.
Night on Bald Mountain- Mussorgsky ?
Romeo and Juliet: Love Theme- Tchaikovsky More movie-love, usually building up to admitting they live each other.
Entry of the Gladiators- Julius Fucik I have one word for you: CIRCUS.
Lakmé: Flower Duet- Delibes OMG ALIAS. Nadia’s spy backstory in Film Noir!
Peer Gynt: In the Hall of the Mountain King- Greig Mischievous Tiptoeing in Movies song. Also something growing out of control, slowly at first and then quickly, and (comically) exploding.
Rodeo: Hoedown- Copland The title says it all tbh.
Peer Gynt: Morning Mood- Greig Sunrise/waking up Movie Song du jour.
New World Symphony Mov. [2][4]- Dvorak Well now I’m thinking of “An American Tail” and I’m crying…
Ave Maria (You knew this, but did you know that it was by Schubert?) Nothing to add. I’m not a music snob, really, but if you didn’t know this, YOU SHOULD.
Canon in D- Pachelbel This is the one that the pretty Trans-Siberian Orchestra Christmas song comes from. :-)
Add others if you want! Have fun!
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