#sub-species of night fury idk

[auroraburst-1721]

*places and fades back into the void*

[arttsuka]

TBH as much as I prefer Toothless' first movie design, the one thing ill give credit for is the fact that I think the movie producers stated some where that the reason Toothless doesn't have his markings anymore is because he's growing up. Toothless is around Hiccups age which is even something Valka points out in the second movie, so you COULD make the hypothesis that he's loosing his sub-adult/"baby" features. Hence why he's more solid black, has a wider flatter head, and doesn't really have much of his markings anymore.

As for his personality; Toothless has always had the silly side to him regardless of the snark attached. You claim his personality got reduced to this stupid, slobbering 'dog', by the third movie when need I remind you he FULLY acted like a dog even in the first movie. Remember him with his butt wiggles when hiccup woke up? Him bounding about jumping from the rafters. Him making dumb goofy faces and doggy grumbles. He's always been a dork and boxing up his personality to him being "out of character" because he's not as snarky is such an odd take since toothless can and HAS had the ability to be both, not to mention the whole fact that Toothless much like Hiccup is suppose to be maturing into an Adult, but even if that's so, they still have time to have fun and play around, so really you have both sides of the coin there.

As for the Lightfury, ill give you that, they could've done better with her. But to be honest I always look at LF's as being a subspecies to a NF, and even nature has often shown that not all subspecies look entirely similar to the dominant species, which in this case would definitely be Night Furies. I look at her design as a design built more for a life in the light then the dark. Toothless' darker bluish/black coat helps him blend in the night, while the Lightfuries almost pearlescence helps her blend in with the light of the sun. It's probably why she stands out so much at night with her sparkles, because she's not really BUILT for the night like toothless is, same reason as why toothless sticks out like a sore-thumb in the morning. Their both built for varying conditions! So in some instances i can forgive some of the Lightfuries design choices. What I dont like is how bland she looks in terms of lack of spikes or such, but thats neither here nor there

Well sure, they could be his 'baby' features but I do think they made his design way more visually interesting than the solid black he became by movie 3. His model already stands out from every other dragon in universe (his more realistic proportions and the lack of sharp teeth to go with his slender frame)* so these marks really helped him blend more with the designs of the httyd universe.

* there are, arguably, other dragons with round features as well but most of them are the 'fat and slow' archetype (even then there are a lot of 'fat' dragons with excessively sharp teeth)

I feel like the whole 'they're the same age actually' was kind of unnecessary but still, doesn't excuse the chance in face structure to that extent. He looks like he's from another species (what does excuse the changes is the fact that they reworked the model).

And yes he always had that dog side to him even in the first movie BUT his core inspiration and 'values' were cat themed. He retains his cat personality in the second movie too, for the most part (for example, at around 10 minutes mark, we see him 'groom' himself to clean his face). But in the third movie they completely removed all that from his personality. They deliberately made him more dog-like. Even the sounds he makes are made to resemble barking. As for the 'slobbering' dog part it's literally part of the movie (with the poor excuse that 'he's in love').

Idk in the third movie I can't recall even a single moment where he actually acted intelligent on his own volition (I can't remember him acting intelligent at all but let's just say I'm wrong).

In the second movie it was made clear that he's more domesticated but still capable on his own. He didn't need help to socialize with the other dragons so I don't understand why he was so incapable of acting remotely 'normal' to make the light fury like him. Yes, she was unapproachable and cold (*cough playing hard to get because they didn't know what to do with her personality and her as a character cough*) but it still felt ooc.

As you said, Toothless has to ability to be both, at least in the second movie. 2 sides of the same coin, up to the second movie. In the 3rd movie, throughout the runtime, we never see him showing 'his other side'.

I wouldn't say that he matured into an adult but still has time to play, I'd say they reduced him to a less intelligent animal than what he was in previous adaptations (he feels like a Disney animal companion). Again, his characterization in the second movie is how I'd expect him to be in the third. He's arguably way more mature there while also having time to play and have fun while also keeping part of his personality.

As for the light fury, she seems so, out of place in this universe too. At least the design of the night fury has scales and looks rough. She looks like they forgot that she's supposed to be a dragon. But it was obviously done to make her look more 'feminine' (a lot of her design can be explained if you keep in mind they only wanted her to be the 'female' dragon, the romantic interest). She's as stereotypical as it goes, the next level would be to make her pink (that would kinda work actually if they kept Toothless bluish undertones but by the 3rd movie they completely removed them to favor a pure black, a bit on the warmer side)

Her white color makes her blend into the sun, sure, but what does that mean? Does she fly all the time? Or is her natural habitat somewhere with snow? A pure white design is pretty sure, but not practical at all. She appears to be a dragon for warmer climates (and if she's indeed a subspecies to the night fury that would confirm it), so no snow. She just doesn't blend in. Her habitat is so colorful she stands out like sore thumb, both during the day and night time.

Her white skin also makes the choice to make her so smooth really weird. She's basically unable to blend in with her surroundings so one would expect that she'd at least have sharp features, claws or horns, to help her survive potential attacks. If they didn't want to make her look rough they should have made her have a defense mechanism to protect herself. maybe she should be able to turn invisible, maybe she lives in the water, something, anything.

Personally I can't forgive any of the decisions made to create the light fury. I can understand, sure, but I'm still left with so many 'why?'s.

[revive-the-fandom]

first attempts at redesigning the Light Fury using Simon Otto's concept art:

Simon Otto's art

my version #1

my version #2

whitening the colours so she can camouflage in whiteouts and snowy regions

still not happy with it but the general idea is there - just make her a night fury but ... albino ???

idk her design bugs me...

ma'am who is selectively breeding you to have a squish pug face... can you breathe ma'am ???

in what way does having tiny ankles/feet benefit you evolutionarily speaking ???

why is your entire design made up of circles ??? why do you have glitter instead of scales ??? WHY DO YOU LOOK LIKE A MARZIPAN PLUSHIE !?!?!?!?

also ...

... how did we go from the plausible "dragons have glands in their mouths that produce flammable gas which ignites on contact with the air" which is ofc not possible irl but is 100% bullshitable in fiction to ...

"I CAn tURN InviSbLe BecAuse rEAsoNs"

and like... i know she does it via chameleon magic but also ... she does it via CHAMELEON MAGIC !!!

and like ... the little 13 yro me LOVES the idea of a white night fury!! and the nightlights !!! LOVE 'EM !!! but ffs don't just make a heteronormative femme fatale sexy one dimensional pre-packaged plushie and call it quits

anyway the light furies should be a sub species of the night fury which began as albino night furies that migrated to the snowy regions and survived much better due to camouflaging in snow & whiteouts 10x better than night furies... fuck the invisible shit stick with camouflage it made toothless cool af in the first movie you could have made it cool af in the 3rd one too!!!

like can u imagine seeing a godtdamn dragon emerging from this ??

[spirits-and-scales]

I totally agree, and fair point. I was also looking at articles and they were calling her a "White Fury" and saying that was Toothless's species. So I'm pretty confused myself.

It could also be she might actually be a sub species of Night Fury like how other dragons have sub species? Idk.

Also, other people in the HTTYD fandom basically saw the."White Fury" coming from 10 light years away. Fanfictions about white night furies are everywhere.

I’m still excited about HTTYD 3, but if that’s supposed to be a night fury, could they at least have made her dark purple instead of eye-blazing white? My understanding was that Night Furies were nocturnal hunters. She wouldn’t be able to get enough food to survive as long as she has if she shone like that with even the smallest hint of moonlight.

Though maybe that’s why she has baby-face if she’s malnourished.