#still making content of ctommy though

[ishouldhavejustchangedname]

I 100% believe Tubbo, it was pretty obvious even in that like 2 second clip that why the time they were walking through the hall he realised what Tommy said

But im not really surprised like at all Tommy said that, like honestly he hasn't exactly been negative around the topic of Dream and he hasn't acknowledged shit

When I say Idgaf about the streamers I really don't, I love dsmp "season 1", I won't stop for at least another month and a half if my 3 year interest calender is anything to by (/hj) but the streamers actively piss me off just a little too much too often I really have no interest in them anymore

[bonesandthebees]

Hey, just wanted to check in on you. I know a lot of your fics center around cwilbur/ctommy. I hope you’re doing ok with the news. I’m so proud of the community not tolerating this.

I feel kind of guilty though. I listened heavily to love joy as I related to it and it’s been helping me get through rough times. But now I’m sitting here wondering “does that make me a bad person?”. I stopped listening to Lovejoy YCMGA and MSR but am I a bad person for relating to those songs?

I can’t listen to them anymore without feeling sick, knowing something that once brought me so much comfort was created by a man doing the same thing I’m trying to escape from.

I still want to listen to them sometimes though, but I refuse to support a man like that. I’m also a little nervous about fics. Me and my brother would read your fics together as a way to bond even through long distance living. cwilbur was one of my brother’s favorite characters and he loves your fics.

I haven’t talked with him about it yet, though I probably should. I feel like all in all I just need time to plant my feet and get it back together.

But in the meantime I am so endlessly proud for seeing how everyone has been encouraging and supporting Shelby. I know how scary it is to speak up about what has been done to you and I’m so proud of her. I’m also proud of how the community has refused to support him at all.

Shutting down accounts, turning the Wilbur subreddit into a Wilbur Wright subreddit, I’m proud that so many people have taken action while the rest of us are still reeling

Thank you for letting me vent, I hope you are taking time and space to care for yourself during this as well

thank you anon, I spent the last week talking extensively with people in my inbox about the whole wilbur situation and it really helped me process a lot of my emotions at the time so I'm doing alright now. while I'm not taking any of my old fics down, I'm still figuring out what I'm going to do with my ongoing fics that center around c!wilbur, so we'll see where I end up landing with that

I'm also so incredibly proud of the community for not tolerating this. like, you gotta admit, this was one of the most cohesive ways I've ever seen a fanbase dissolve. sure there are still some freaks sticking around, but the vast majority of us got up and left.

now, don't ever feel like you're a bad person for relating to the lyrics wilbur wrote. although many of the songs feel different now with this new information about him as a person, he wrote about mental struggles in a way that MANY people connected with. there's nothing wrong with having those kinds of struggles. what's wrong is when someone dealing with those kinds of things is hurting other people, is made aware they're hurting other people, and then refuses to do anything to try and change for the better. wilbur refused to try and be a better person. he chose to keep abusing his partner and hurting the people around him. that's what makes a bad person.

I do think separation of art vs artist is possible, but it gets trickier when financial support comes in. that's why I suggest if you want to keep listening to lovejoy, piracy is always an option. the mp3 youtube downloader is your best friend there. MSR is a bit trickier though given that we know MSR was entirely written about wilbur's perspective of his and shelby's relationship, and now we know the truth of what that relationship was actually like. his own narrative that disregards the abuse is what makes up the album itself. personally, I don't think I could ever listen to MSR again without feeling gross.

that makes me really happy to hear you and your brother bonded while reading my fics. like man that's so sweet, I really hope you two will be able to keep enjoying the same things. whether you're both able to separate character from cc and continue reading c!wilbur content, or finding another interest to share in the future. take your time though. there's no rush to talk to him. let your feelings settle.

and yes I'm also incredibly proud of shubble as I'm sure we all are. coming forward like this is a terrifying thing to do but I'm so grateful she did, because now we all are aware and aren't unintentionally platforming a dangerous person like that. I'm so proud of this community. we really all came together in the end.

take care of yourself <3

[sethdomain]

//scary talking about dsmp (mostly lore)😱

Sorry guys you literally cannot rip the inniter out of me, im rewatching so much of his rp clips and im still a 100% a ctommy fan. Ctommy is like, the most though provoking concept that server has and he deserves a better fate than whatever the fuck was that goofy ass friendship power ending.

Im salty, im still a cdream hater i want that character DEAD and i also want the cc dead, but the world is a cruel place that never let me win.

Like, why is cTommy abuse was like pardoned???? And why the fuck is cTommy was the one apologizing, cDream was literally putting his character in one of the most fucked up pshycologic roundabout where he isolate him and make him suicidal and he is the one apologizing for that because he was the cause of the server deteriorated and full of war??? Not because of cWilbur? Not because of cSchlatt?? Not because of cDream??? LIKE WHAT IS THE RP STORY TRYING TO IMPLY BRO.

Ctommy you deserve better, you deserve a loving ending with all your silly pet critters and family that does not fuck you over. My awesome little silly child soldier ❤️

Anyway, I wish cTommy and cTechno kind of not broke off with each of other and made up, i kind of wanted cTechno to acknowledge the abuse cTommy went through, but like whatever no sappy shit allowed :((((( but at least we got his last ever book page that kind of confirm that his character kind of grew out of his hatred toward ctommy. Which i count as a W man, if you see it in a writing point of view it doesn’t make sense that ctechno just left and about n forgive him, but that book was like his last will before his unfortunate passing. Which despite the unbelievable choice his character made in writing perspective, I still find it as a sweet sentiment where his character sentiment relationship left off with cTommy.

Sorry that kinds of got sad, idk how many time i’ve told you guys this but technoblade was a very special content creator for me and I cherished every character he plays in the dsmp. He’s also the reason why despite the many bad shit dsmp has in store, i still cannot bring myself to hate it. It was a joyride that i admit i enjoyed and it held many many wonderful moment in it that im not afraid to admit was awesome. And Techno was a big part of it and I want to see the positive side of dsmp as to not sour it, because he was apart of it and it was apart of one of his last legacies he ever built on.

The dsmp we made all along was the bunch of white people playing on it all along

[stellocchia]

Do you know what I always found messed up?

That Puffy and Foolish to people who have on several occasions seemed like trusted adults to Micheal. In fact he played with Foolish Jr, and probably knows Foolish as the guy built his house!

What I always found messed up, but people didn’t seem to talk about, is that it was Foolish and Puffy who led people to the location that Micheal was at.

It was them both who showed to Sapnap and George who taunted, mocked and threw eggs at Micheal.

Micheal a small kid who was trying to protect himself. It was extremely sad to me.

And the worse part? Neither Foolish nor Puffy should have had canonical reasonings why they would do that. Especially, when they of all people should have understood why that’s wrong considering they have children of similar age to Micheal.

Anyways the Dsmp had some messed up things in it that never got resolved RIP.

Hopefully Qsmp does a better job

Let's be honest here Anon, most characters got character assassinated by their own CCs by the end of the dsmp. cSapnap, cBad, cPuffy, cFoolish, cWilbur, cDream, cPunz, cTubbo, cRanboo, and even my boy cTommy, though I'm still not sure how much of the finale was actually ccTommy's idea.

It was an absolute mess by the end with no care put in it. There was no passion, no respect for the content or the audience who straight up made those guys' whole careers.

Because, like, you make a good point. Neither cFoolish nor cPuffy had canonical reasons to do any of that. But neither did cSapnap or cGeorge. It made no sense. They just resented the audience for caring about something they made and wanted to "punish" the audience for it. Or at least that's what the later lore felt like. It was genuinely a steaming pile of shit.

Some characters managed to hold on longer than others. Some CCs had irl reasons why their lore went to shit (like ccNiki who very much got sidelined even when she tried to do her own thing), but ultimately for most I'd say the biggest problem was a lack of care and a lack of behind the scene communication and cooperation.

As for the QSMP, from the little I've seen it's doing much better. Though, ngl, I've mostly watched clip comiplations and only very recently caught a bit of a couple of streams (a bit from Tubbo yesterday and the ending of Bad's stream today). And I don't speak any of the languages CCs speak aside from English, so following fully is very tough. I'm grateful for the people on youtube who subtitle their clip compilations because otherwise, it would be incredibly inaccessible for me.

That said, as I mentioned, from what I've seen it looks like they're doing better. There is heart behind those characters. Heart behind that story. I don't feel like the CCs resent the audience for caring either, because it looks like they themselves give a fuck about what they're doing. There are also admins, and a whole crew behind it to help it all feel much more complex and interesting. (Which is something they could have done with dsmp too if ccDream ever gave a single shit).

I don't know if it'll eventually go to shit or if they'll manage to keep it fresh enough to avoid that like series like Hermicraft and the Life series have done, but for now I'm rather hopeful.

[sing-me-under]

I’ve had my “THE FINALE WASNT HORRIBLE AND HERES WHAT I LIKED” arc.

Now, the time for me to complain about why I don’t actually like the finale is approaching because I’ve argued most of my points against the general negative consensus.

I’m not gonna go in depth right now. It’s 4 in the morning I just spent the entire time baking Christmas goodies until I forgot to put fucking sugar in my last batch of cookies.

But to summarize some of my positive opinions on the finale:

The finale was the most logical scenario with the resources and people they were working with while still maintaining the same ending. There was probably a better way, but it was the most direct and logical route to a set destination.

Tommy’s character arc required him to NOT COMMIT MURDER. STOP ENCOURAGING MURDER. ITS NOT GOOD FOR HIM.

c!Dream was being pitied for his fall from grace because c!Tommy knew they weren’t getting out of the prison alive. c!Dream would never have been allowed a redemption arc, and if there was enough time, he wouldn’t have taken the option anyway, especially not with c!Punz having no reason to not continue with the plan for his own personal gain rather than some twisted end game.

The content creators have been playing Minecraft for so long that they’re fantastic at displaying motion and body language through their characters. I dunno. Maybe you didn’t pick up on it, but I could sense the stress and pushing and limping and just THE MINECRAFT BODY LANGUAGE WAS GOOD.

Now for a sneak peek on my negative opinions:

A vast majority of finale neg and crit is valid and I agree with it. I just disagree with a lot of the rest of it and that’s why I’m vocal about what I liked. I don’t like to rehash what other people have said though, I also don’t like to actively ruin my enjoyment of something I like, so you probably won’t hear me putting in my two cents on the stuff that’s already been beat to death. I’ll just focus on specific crit that I don’t see much of.

They didn’t need the revive and limbo scene. I think it was stupid and I don’t get it. Everyone agrees that literally fucking killing cTommy then him going “Ah yes Dream wasn’t always bad” was a good idea, but for my own sanity, I chose to gloss over it. Just have like one normal conversation. Or just have cGeorge or cSapnap actually be there and having a dynamic with cDream instead of doing whatever the fuck limbo was.

Literally any other fucking character taking part in the last finale stream would have made it like twenty times better because there’d be someone to talk/slap sense into any of them instead of letting all of them have existential crises.

If it weren’t for the fact that cc!Dream plays both c!Dream and DreamXD, a finale in which DreamXD fucks up c!Dream and renders the nuke useless would have been much better.

Literally just ANY OTHER CHARACTER. ANYONE ELSE AT ALL BUT ALL THE RESPONSIBLE CHARACTERS GOT FUCKING EGGED AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. BUT THEY COULD HAVE GRABBED SAPNAP OR GEORGE. PLEASE. UNLESS THEY WERE OCCUPIED BY THE XD FINALE. PLEASE GIVE ME THE XD FINALE SO I CAN STOP CRYING OVER SAPNAP NOT BEING IN THE DISC DUO FINALE.

CPUNZ STOP BEING A FUCKING SIMP FOR CDREAM AND STOP MOPING OVER CDREAM NOT THINKING THEYRE FRIENDS. DRAMATIC IRONY MADE US KNOW YOU WERE A VILLAIN ALL ALONG BUT YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A PLOT TWIST GOOD GUY. LITERALLY PUNZ AS A PLOT TWIST GOOD GUY WOULD HAVE MADE THE FINALE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER EVNE IF THEY SLL DIE TL THE NUKES ANYWAY. BUT WHY THE FUCK WAS HE SO DEVOTED TO CDREAM THAT THEY EVEN KILLED AND REVIVED EACH OTHER OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

anyway. That will be all for tonight. I have work later and tomorrow and then a long day of putting up with family that makes me want to rip my lungs out.

[bedrockbros-hell]

Ok so I’ve only just now finished watching Tommy’s POV for today’s lore and IT SURE WAS A LOT. Um some thoughts (/rp by the way unless otherwise specified)

spoilers below the cut

CCTOMMY’S ACTING??? HELLO??? Mans was having a full on panic attack during the majority of the stream and you can just HEAR the TERROR in his voice like??? Ctommy’s fear is just so fucking palpable and cctommy does such a fantastic job portraying that

SPEAKING OF ACTING!!! WHY TF IS DREAM SO GODDAMN SCARY HOLY FUCK. It was like exile but on fucking steroids. Dream just laughing while chasing Tommy with that terrifying soft voice, taunting him, making it subtly clear that he could definitely kill Tommy if he wanted to.

“I’ll kill you, then I’ll revive you, then I’ll kill you again, then I’ll revive you again”

“I’m not gonna hurt you…yet” GOD

DREAM FUCKING SPEEDRUNNING EVERYTHING THAT TRAUMATIZED TOMMY. Digging a hole and telling Tommy to put his stuff in. Hitting him, tormenting him, telling him he’s alone and friendless. Breaking the nether portal to make the whole scene feel dreadfully familiar. Bringing up every fucking reference to exile. THIS MAN IS EVIL EVIL EVIL

Like I don’t understand how people can still side with dream after that scene guys DREAM PLAYED EVERY FUCKING CARD TO MAKE TOMMY HURT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

“Let go of me!”

DADZA!!! DADZA CONTENT !!

Ok but actually Phil saying “ok, ok, you’re ok, you’re safe now” why was that so comforting

PHIL HAS PASSED THE VIBE CHECK FOR THIS STREAM

TOMMY FORGIVES PHIL !! MY HEART IS IN PIECES

I do really like how both Phil and Tommy listen to each other and acknowledge the other’s point of view. Self awareness, introspection, and character growth. We love to see it

I find it interesting how Tommy finds safety in walls. Obviously they remind him of l’manberg. But build the walls too close together and you’ve got a prison cell, which we all know Tommy doesn’t like. I have a headcanon that Tommy has like a combination of agoraphobia and claustrophobia, which come from exile and being locked in prison respectively

BIG BRO BIG Q

seriously though it’s so tragic that Tommy doesn’t trust that quackity’s support is unconditional. He isn’t used to love without some sort of strings attached

During the scene with big q Tommy’s chat seemed kinda suspicious of quackity but I am holding out hope.

Hehe ladderduo.

Ok I lied I’m actually only a little more than halfway through the stream (I had to take a fucking break to process this shit) but I figured I’ve gotten through the meat of it. Part 2 later, mayhaps.