#standard american english accent
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I feel like anyone who's about to embark on attempting to type out a character's accent phoentically (at least as well as one can with English) should probably stop for a moment before they get going and ask themselves, "How would I, myself, feel about a fic where the one character who sounds like me had their speech written out like this and every other character just got their dialogue left in standard spelling?" I feel like a lot of people would tone it down a bit, at least, if they'd done that thought experiment first.
(Anyone who answered "but I don't have an accent!" isn't allowed to write out anyone else's accent, ever. This rule may seem harsh but you need it. Really, you do. Because you've never had anyone treat your accent as abnormal or comical or wrong, so you really don't know what you're inflicting on others here.)
#writing stuff#have you read that fic where the socially prestige accent is the one being carefully typed out “like it sounds”? no? neither have i :(#the obvious note-for-Americans on typing out UK accents is that most of them carry some connotation of class and/or 'education'#within the uk: ask yourself why a Geordie gets typed out but not some dude from the Home Counties#typing out an accent is - usually - a roundabout way of saying “this person talks WRONG! they're not NORMAL!”#you may also find 'Scottish Twitter' informative for the distinction between in-group and out-group 'transcriptions' of accent/dialect#(i use that example only cos I'm Scottish btw)#(oh yes EVERYONE thinks I have an accent! and many of them attempt to replicate it badly in text!)#fun story: one time i had to learn the [IPA] for a linguistics class and the examples were 'standard' English pronunciations#and I went in the next day BAFFLED by why the book insisted that 'boot' and 'foot' don't contain the same vowel sound#(cos they fuckin do don't they?!)#the tutor explained and was v interested in the fact that to me they're the same. i was then asked to demonstrate again for the class.#but i - alas - was not offered repeated examples of however the fuck people say boot and foot in RP :(#(this was IN SCOTLAND btw)#anyway mibbe jist dinnae dae it? mibbe?#and if you do you have use the actual IPA. there now i've made it more trouble than it's worth for most people.
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the way that the american and British accents of the witcher games english dub are almost completely arbitrary between characters and nationalities and don’t make sense if you try to logic it out is really funny and i’m not even mad about it because Triss sounds like she’s from Ohio and that tracks. I say this as a midwesterner
#triss will be like *in the most indianapolis accent ever*: awh you’re such a doll#and then roche - also a temerian will bust in with his fantasy standard english like#again I don’t mind this though I think it’s funny and adds to my experience#mm actually dandelion being american is ?? though#the witcher games#triss merigold#double shot
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This might be niche, but there is nothing quite like the pain of hearing someone talk about your dedicated field of study and get the facts so, so, so wrong,,, like please,,,,you arent right at all,,,,please no,,,you just regurgitated something you read somewhere on the internet and its not right
#im just so so tired of hearing that southern american english is the same as the old british accent#no!!! it isnt!!!!!#as a linguist you are so so wrong!!! and are perpetuating a negatice stereotype about southern english and SAE speakers!!#SAE has changed quite substantially!! in fact sae (particularly vernacular SAE not the standard) is close in a lot of ways to AAVE!#anyways thats my rant of the evening#im going to kill the lag hypothesis with my bare hands one day#also people who are wrong are alwaya the loudest and always sayin it with their chest but like baby you need to sit down and quit yappin
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🔥 tfa Blitzwing
My hot take is that the actual fucking German language of the Indo-European language family does not exist on Cybertron or anywhere else except Earth. Accents are arbitrary at worst and correlated with Cybertronian colonies and cities at best and I am so fucking sick of seeing people pepper actual German into his dialogue like he's a native speaker.
This take brought to you hot from the fires of my irrational yet blazing rage.
#I cannot STAND this#this is legitimately one of my worst and most specific pet peeves#the way I look at it is like: Cybertronian as a baseline gets translated into English with an advanced translator or some shit right#and it looks like the Iaconian dialect is the ''standard'' American accent#Megatron and Shockwave share an accent and we know Megs is from Tarn#same thing with Lugnut's (very slight) accent and knowing he's from Kaon#MY POINT IS accents are likely indicative of different dialects or accents of the spoken Cybertronian language#NOT EVIDENCE THAT INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGES HAVE TRANSCENDED THE SOLAR SYSTEM FOR FUCKS' SAKE#asks#tf#tfa
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Been reading a book about the development of the English language that includes chapters related to English languages/dialects and their impact with class. Thinking about how much people freaked out and made it a meme/joke that Prime Wars Overlord had a US Southern/"cowboy" accent. About 🤏 this close to deciding to write all of my stories going forward with all characters speaking Texas-accented English as the default instead of Standard English going forward bc I'm annoyed about my accent family being treated like a joke and/or used as a sign that horrible things deserve to happen to them
#squiggposting#discourse#i am a little bit salty. maybe more than a little bit#i'm also training in voiceover rn and the accent standardization there annoys the fuck out of me#gotta speak in Generic American Accent or Proper British English or else your accent is designated some sort of caricature or stereotype#also to be clear i don' mean writin' accents phonetically lahk this#just them using accented regionalisms and slang and ways of speaking and whatnot#i'm getting sick and tired of accent based classism honestly sjdklfsk#and also honestly as a hobbyist linguist of sorts i think doing a formal study into the different kinds of accents here#beyond just intrinsic knowledge as a native would be really cool#anyways every character in my stories from random hicks to optimus fucking prime himself is going to use y'all and other regionalisms#and it's not going to be a joke or to show lower class-ness or w/e#i might even throw in some texas german too if i can find substantial enough resources in it
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might get eaten for this but honestly i find it kind of suprising how similar in general british vs american english actually are to each other? like yeah sure the accents can be very distinct depending on the specific region and there are some words which differ completely depending on the variant (like i dunno lift vs elevator pavement vs sidewalk etc) and a bunch of slang terms which only occure in one of the variants (though, again, seems like they are more region dependent rather than american vs british english thing) but as a whole its like. if you are, say, a child who has been taught english by a bunch of purists who are insistent on only teaching the british variant as correct, and then once you grow up enough for unrestricted internet access go online onto english speaking spaces which are predominately american, you won't really struggle with understanding them if your "british" english was alright in the first place. like there is a difference but its far from enough to cause any sort of gap in comprehension. and i find this personally fascinating cause supposedly those two variants have been developing an ocean apart from each other for like three centuries
#like maybe its because like. due to british imperialism like half of the world was speaking english not long after#and then as globalisation sped up in the aftermath of that english became de facto a lingua franca on a global scale#so there wasnt much time for british and american english to actually develop in relative separation from each other#i dont know its all very interesting. again i am not talking abt accents im talking abt like. grammar and vocab#and obv that may be less of a case for like more localized dialects im talking more like 'standardized' versions of uk vs us english#like they are very similar to each other in fact!!#thots
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learning english by yourself will give you the most fucked up accent. i say half the words in a british accent the other half like a valley girl and if i ever say "oh no" you can read it as "oh naur" cause i got that from h2o just add water
#bilingual#accents#literally sound insane so whenever i speak to someone i have to be very aware of everything and just go for Standard American English
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Can I ask a dumb goyim question? What's the joke behind the generator? Is it that goyim (tbh, no idea if I'm using that word correctly) constantly misspell it, or that there are a bunch of "correct" spellings that depend on who you ask?
Regardless, happy Upcoming Holiday That I Don't Know How To Spell!
It's cause even Jews are not agreed on how to spell it! In English-speaking contexts, the two common spellings are Hanukkah and Chanukah (with some slightly different cultural connotations about the speaker, but that's not really discussed), but people get confused about which one is "correct" and which doubled letters the first one has, and often just kinda create their own new mashups, like Hannukah and Chanukkah. So it's taking that and running with it.
Truth is it doesn't really matter since no transliteration can really capture the original language accurately (unless you have a standardized transliteration scheme, like romaji for Japanese).
#fun fact there actually is a standardized transliteration scheme for yiddish#though not everyone uses it esp for yiddish words that are in american jewish english#and the american pronuncation of chanukah is like... a mix between the hebrew and yiddish and then anglicized and then with an american#accent#so
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the library doesn’t have the audiobook of the 13th book in the series I’ve been listening to, so I’m reading the ebook version instead, and I’m learning that I’m very bad at guessing spellings of words based on pronunciation alone
#in my defense#I have a rhotic accent#and audiobook lady is doing her job and performing in a non-rhotic english accent#how am I supposed to guess that the guy whose last name sounds like Audubon is actually Otterburn#how am I supposed to guess that the place that sounded like Holland Park is Orland Park#I thought the dog was named Duke which is a pretty standard dog name but it's somehow Jook?#there are other ones but I'm giving myself more of a pass on some of those#because I feel like it's pretty agreed-upon that a lot of English place names are very difficult for Americans
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Hmmm. Sick of my accent again.
#english-speaking i mean. i'm fine with my natural accent#but i feel like the accent i use in english has no character to it since i try to imitate a standard american one#i'm wondering. i could localise myself and try to learn a southern american accent lol#they're very charming to me anyway. cockney sounds lovely too but i don't have the throat for it#fan of the posh accent but i don't want posh folks thinking i'm one of them#brooklyn accent is also really nifty but as with the posh i don't want new yorkers thinking i'm one of them#i guess i'll go accent shopping#that's a beauty of learning a foreign language with rich accent variety. you can just choose which to speak👍
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I think it's funny that I can speak English with a norwegian accent, Norwegian with an English accent. But I cannot speak English with an Italian accent, instead I can speak Italian with an American accent.
#i think i have a standard tv american accent when i speak english#not entirely sure tho#i think my norweigan accent comes out more whenever i stutter/dont know how to pronounce words#for some reason i cannot see a word and think about it with an american pronounciation#the norweigan phonetics are just suck in me#mostly with vowels#a e and i are the hardest to wrap my head around#silly accents funny haha#i cant even speak Norwegian with an Italian accent#lmao#im not sure what my normal Italian accent is tho#someone told me it was northern (which would make sense cuz my fams from the north of italy)#but then i realized they might have reffered to norway as the north yk#so i have no clue#all i know is that i speak italian slowley#slowley enought that someone once asked ne if i was the r word#yikes
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thanks to that post I’m now playing all my hozier lps at 45rpm and some of the songs gain new dimensions when you can imagine Dolly in them
#i think a large part of why it works is the accents#like obviously the vocal ranges and orchestrations have to make sense#but it’s not just ‘hozier sped up sounds like a female singer’ it’s specifically dolly#and I think that’s because to my Standard American ear#Hozier’s Irish accent when singing and Dolly’s Tennessee accent when singing sound like reflections of each other#the whole ‘US southern drawl is just slowed down Queen’s English’ thing#US north-Southern accent when mellowed by singing and southeast Irish accent mellowed by singing are not far off#tree.txt
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Reding through the accent post tags and apparently Ohio has the most "neutral" American accent? I said East Coast cause prior to the like. 60s or whatever radio and tv casters were trained to speak with a midatlantic accent, which is an accent thats a mix between British and American English
Anyway. Yes even Americans have an accent is the point im getting at here!
Love you! Have a lovely rest of your day!!
I know! It's wild to me that a percentage of people are native americans and don't personally think they have an accent because english is one of the most obvious languages where you always have an accent! I'm not a language expert and there probably are other languages like that but english just doesn't seem to have a Standard because even if you ignore the small regional differences then you still have american vs british going on!
French has a Standard, and you can talk all day about what that says and why this accent is standard and classism and whatnot, but there is one Recognised Accent that is the one taught to learners as the Standard and the Default, and whether you have an accent or not depends on how much your personal accent is like that standard (a friend told me the standard is the accent of Tours and I believe her?)
But in english there are at least two standards! Like learners are either taught british english or american english but they're two different varieties with attached accents. And in those two there's the standard american, the southern american, the standard british, cockney, etc etc whatever, plus everything else like the aussie accent that people always ignore. But there's two standards! So to me it's completely bewildering because you can evaluate how much of an accent you have based on one of these standards but there's two of them! Even if you're american and you rarely hear anything but american accents you have to be Aware of the other standards for the language!
I am incapable of conceiving a worldview in which a native english speaker doesn't think they have an accent, is the conclusion.
#i don't even know what i'd call the standard american accent#loathe as i am to say it it's probably what registers less as 'an accent' to my brain#british english always kind of registers as Accent#though that might change after next year#but if i put on like. a tiffany ferg video. that's Normal American#but i'm still aware that it's an american accent#anyway. accents are fascinating but fiou#wow i have an asks tag#wow i have a ramble tag now
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headcanon time (actually this is all from months ago but pretend it's not)
thinking back to the farm dialect posts from like years ago lol wouldnt it be cute if they went around the human world speaking like idk fucking new york english (since they're basically in new york) but then when they go home and it's just them they switch back to their actual dialect and it's like the unmatched feeling of going home after spending the whole day speaking in a foreign language and finally being able to speak your language
#i noticed that when i talk to my us american friends my english is so much more standard#than when i'm talking to my brazilian friends#i still talk to them in english bc i'm sick in the head international school brainwash#but it's a very brazilian accent english#and it feels so homey </3#tpn manga spoilers
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No disrespect to the particular English accent that birthed this atrocity, we all have our own sins to atone for, but as a Scot I’m tempted to accuse google of perpetrating a hate crime by describing this monstrous mispronunciation as the correct “British” one
#The American pronunciation is scarcely better but at least they are capable of pronouncing the letter 'r'#I'm aware the Irish may wish to start a fight about the pronunciation of the 'gh' sound which I would generally render similar to ch in loch#But breathier#I'm aware that a lot of people pronounce it Gallaher though so possibly the 'ch' sound is an inaccurate Scotticism in its own way#However I would at least submit that that is closer than whatever nonsense the home counties have come out with#And obviously there will be regional variations on pronunciation anyway it's just when it gets this extreme that it becomes almost insulting#The Liverpudlians probably have their own distinct pronunciation which you could argue over but at least that's debatable#This Estuary English version on the other hand shouldn't even count as a viable regional pronunciation#Ergo it should not be listed as the standard British pronunciation#But I could get into a long argument about how one regional accent has been elevated over the others as the standard British English#Even though it probably has more bizarre pronunciations in it than something from the North of England or Scotland or Wales#Nothing new though#After all even James VI had to complain about the way the way English people pronounced Latin#Regional accents and dialects are totally valid but you can't elevate one as a 'standard' version if it's all wrong
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I was wondering if saying "liable to" instead of "likely to" was a Southern/Appalachian thing since I've always said "liable" with 2 syllables exclusively in that context
it looks like 1) it's not and 2) other people from outside the South pronounce it with two syllables in this context as well, which is fascinating to me
what IS very Southern is the intense monopthongization that happens when I say it that way, lmao
#normally I'd transcribe it with ipa but it's 5am and I hate vowels so.#basically 'standard' American English would pronounce it “lie-bull”#but I say 'lah-bull'#'lah' isn't a good transcription either but I think people are familiar enough with I->Ah to get the general idea#my accent isn't strong enough for me to monophthongize /ai/ all the time#but it shore does come out in full force whenever I order a Cheerwine‚ lmaoooooo#(yes I deliberately spelled it shore to further emphasize the accent)#language stuff
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