#st*ncy is LITERALLY Ted & Karen

[jonathanbyersphd]

Ok I know it's been several hours but the idea that ppl genuinely think St*ve deserves to be with Nancy is genuinely irking me. Like why exactly? Does he deserve it because he's changed and she's a prize? Does he deserve it because she shouldn't want a career and needs to have six children? Does he deserve it because he has to live in Hawkins working a minimum-wage job? Does he deserve it because he continuously disrespects her current relationship? Give me a reason other than he's hot or misogyny as to why St*ve DESERVES to be with Nancy

[certainty2witch]

Honestly before s4 i was like, ok m*leven is kinda cute, they are young, exploring their new relationship and stuff like this.

But after s4 omg i was shocked by their relationship, ST showed us clearly that they are toxic for eachother. They can be friends ofc I would adore seeing them as friends, but I’m talking about them being in a romantic relationship only!

The way Mike reacts with her literally having a breakdown is atrocious, while with Will he tries his best for bringing back their friendship because he feels like he lost him fr.

Well who you think Mike love then? He doesn’t even be able to tell her a simple “i love you”. How hard can be with the love of your life? (I’m in a relationship and trust me that “i love you” is literally a daily thing)

Who think m*leven would be endgame is the “delusional” shipper (I’m using byler haters words), surely not Bylers. Irl relationships born also for convenience, they aren’t always real love. I’m one of that people that believes Mike is Gay, not Bi. And watching how truble Will is having with his feelings for Mike, we can clearly suppose Mike is not so different, but instead of keeping everything inside, he hides the “problem” dating a girl. Because is what a boy should do (from society perspective)

Also

St*ncy and Ted with Karen are two big examples of a not good romantic relationship.

Nancy understood that her relationship wasn’t good for her, Mike probably is having more difficulties since well they are in 80s and he already had people accusing him of being gay. But i wanna believe Mike will open his eyes and see who really is the person he loves (romantically).

I trust the Duffers, I don’t think all the mess of S4 about m*leven was casual and that they’ll be in love and happy in s5, leaving Will alone and still in the closet.

C’mon.

Obliviously people can keep thinking what they want about their otps and loving them.

But denying what is true, is not good. Byler can be canon.

[annes-andromeda]

Nah fuck volume 2 tbh. Catch me with my rewrite:

• Eddie gets to live because his death was literally for no reason and he gets to be the party’s cool uncle and he has his badass guitar moment while being a hero (basically being a bard like Dustin)

• The whole j*ncy vs st*ncy thing is finally laid to rest with Nancy breaking up with Jonathan and being an independent woman

• Brenner, Owens, Enzo, Murray, and Yuri die cause I can honestly live without their existence (and fuck the writers for trying to make us sympathize for Brenner)

• Tbh I don’t know what to do with Karen so maybe have her find out about the whole upside down stuff. Oh and kill off Ted so she’s finally free of her loveless marriage.

• Robin asks Vickie out but Vickie says that she’s dated a few boys and that causes Robin to loose hope. Only for Vickie to say that she’s eyed some girls too, revealing herself to be bisexual. Robin gets to be happy and have the girl of her dreams all while being a badass goofball.

• Jonathan gets to be a badass monster hunter and teams up with Steve, Nancy, Robin, Eddie, Argyle, and maybe even Vickie, and they form the monster hunting squad. #LetJonathanBreakSomeonesKneecaps

• Mike gets Vecna’d and we find out about his internalized homophobia and his massive crush on Will. And his monologue is about how he’s been forced to conform his whole life and how he doesn’t know how to accept himself for who he is and he’s literally having a gay crisis.

• El has a mutual break up with Mike and she ends being an independent woman and Hopper’s love is what gives her the power to fight Vecna. She still has her emotional reunion with Hopper but she also gets it with the rest of the party cause we need more party moments.

And the most important things of all:

• Wil gets a proper coming out scene and Jonathan accepts him and loves him. Will actually says out loud that he likes boys and is gay and it’s not subtext or whatever.

• Will gets to give Mike the painting and it’s of them on the swings on the day they met. Will says the “without heart…” line and Mike notes that’s it corny and they both laugh about and it’s a cute scene.

• Mike gives Will a bunch of letters all signed “Love, Mike” and a mixtape signed “For Will”, revealing byler to be requited.

• Will also gets Vecna’d and we get a Lonnie flashback. It’s this big emotional moment where Mike openly confesses his feelings and says I love you. This is what causes wills powers to emerge. Before getting his powers though, he gets to use a shotgun and blow demobats up or something. As a treat

• Its actually revealed that the reason why Vecna is targeting people now is that due to Will and El moving, his two biggest adversaries are out of the picture and he can regain power once more. And yes, Dustin was right and Vecna is working for the Mind Flayer.

• Eleven isn’t enough to stop Vecna, so she teams up with Will and the Wonder Twins save the day. However, this victory is at a cost. It turns out that Hawkins and the Upside Down have merged together, bringing about the return of the Mind Flayer. That is the cliffhanger of the season.

• With byler requited, Mike and Will get together (miss me with that waiting another season bullshit) and they have their big kiss. We see Lucas and Dustin walk in and Dustin mutters a “finally…” under his breath, all the while Lucas is shook. El and Mike end off on good terms and El is happy for her brother, but she will snap Mikes neck if he even thinks of hurting Will.

• Byler have their forehead touch and they hold hands tightly as they watch Hawkins become a literal hell on earth. But they’ll face it together. Because the rest of the party stands with them. The monster hunting squad stands with them. Hopper and Joyce stand with them. The last shot is the whole cast standing together, looking over Hawkins, ready to face the apocalypse, face Vecna, and face the Mind Flayer.

Crazy together

Alright deadass who wants me to write this and who wants to help??

[kaypeace21]

Can you please get over the misogynistic "women who are in relationships can't have careers or be independent" thing, it's tired.

Haha. You must of pulled a muscle making that stretch. Really putting words in my mouth.

Like I didn't cross tag either ship either... and frankly I was super nice in that comment and didn't even mention either ships issues. I literally was asked if i shipped st*ncy or j*ncy and said "I respectfully don't ship either and prefer nancy single". Like broo you guys get mad at everything . My horrible Comment: 🤣

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But (in diff posts) I've explained before why I don't ship them... how is it misogynistic to say I'm not a fan of j*ncy because of the whole st*lking fiasco? I said I prefer nancy pursuing journalism- because in s3 people said she's was "stupid " and "crazy" for her stories. Aka in st- being stupid/crazy = love. So Nancy's true love is journalism. This phrase has never been shown in the context of Nancy's bfs. Every season involves her being a nancy drew of sorts. She literally wears a ring that represents being single...

Like ship what you want . But yall need to chill if someone doesn't ship what you do- there's no point in dm-ing them (as anons) to complain. They literally parallel j*ncy to joyce/lonnie in s3. And st*ncy to ted/karen in s1-2 so no... I just am not a fan of either Nancy ship tbh. But again do you.

Like yes , you can have a career and be independent and date . Me preferring Nancy single - literally has nothing to do with the assumptions you made.

[thebrokengate]

Don't know how Melvin can be end game when they are written to be St*ncy on the show and that Byler directly parallels Jncy ATP. Both Nancy and Mike constantly seek comfort from Jonathan and Will respectively and never truly once from Steve and El. They can open up to Jonathan and Will only and be themselves around them. When you cannot be yourself and open up to your loved one but run to your second potential love interest... your relationship is doomed sorry, lmao. There's no turning back from there. Nancy, Mike, and Karen are following the same relationship issues and beats. Both Nancy and Mike essentially want to be with the Byer brothers. And Karen emotionally cheated on Ted with a guy named William. Billy, who literally got paralleled to Will. C'mon now. Melvin has been bones from the start.

Straight facts. ^ Or should I say gay facts? It's facts either way, lmao. A healthy relationship needs that security of both vulnerability with each other and the ability to be yourselves with each other, or you'll never find true happiness together. You said it all!