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As a Romani speaker, it will never not be funny to me that Dick and Kori were together, given that Kori is the Romani word for Dick.
#source: I’m a gypsy and I speak romani#this is the romani spoken in the uk may be different elsewhere#dick grayson#nightwing#dc robin#dc comics#batfam#starfire#romani dick grayson#romani#yes it’s extra funny that I a romani speaking gypsy from the circus only realised this as an adult#Batman#teen titans#dikkory
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*BBC narrator impression begins*
Oh dear. It appears that Rooster Teeth Productions have cocked up Miss Blake Belladonna's fairy tale allusion upon wrapping up the story arc with her Beast.
We now turn to the well-informed pair of siblings, Owl and Luke, for their conclusions on how the allusion to Belle even fits any longer.
*BBC narrator impression ends*
The hell happened to Blake and her supposed to being Belle? Sure, in the original Beauty and The Beast novel, Beast's real name was Adam. Duh.
But let's take off our "Fuck RT" caps for one second for a more in-depth analysis. Does her Belle allusion really even fit anymore?
nerd fixation on beauty and the beast goes into overdrive.
did it ever really fit? belle in most iterations wasn’t a freedom fighter, she wasn’t part of an oppressed class, hell in most reading & a love for books & adventure wasn’t a defining trait of belle’s. it was her kindness, contrasted to the spite & greediness of her sisters, who wanted only monetary things from their merchant father. hell, even with the development of blake in volume 4 where we find out she’s basically the princess of menagerie; that contrasts the original belle as she was a merchants daughter turned peasant after he lost his wares at sea, who’s sisters abused her & made her clean & do work in order to try and buy their home back. the only time she’s ever really applied to a “belle” allusion is reading with disney’s iteration of belle, & every other rwby allusion in that team takes from the original tale, not any other more modern iteration. also i don’t know where you heard the beast’s name being adam in the original tale from but from what i’ve researched, he was only ever referred to as la beté & adam was a name given purely for the disney version.
now, the most defining traits of blake in the show are her drive for justice, her determination, her courage, being defined as a faunus, but isn’t above despising or hating those who are prejudicial & pick on those who are smaller than them. taking all of those into account, she honestly fits esmeralda better than any other fairytale protagonist, or quasi protag in this case. so many of esmeralda’s lines in the movie feel like they could’ve come straight from early volume blake, so much of their defining characteristics match up far better than blake & belle. like some of these lines?
you mistreat this poor boy the same way you mistreat my people.
[ silence ! ] justice !
what do they have against people who are different?
you saw what he did out there. letting the crowd torture that poor boy? i thought if just one person could stand up to him then...
you speak of justice, yet you are cruel to those most in need of your help !
i don’t see any. [ see what? ] monster lines. not a single one. now, you look at me. do you think i'm evil?
LITERALLY THE ENTIRETY OF GOD HELP THE OUTCASTS !!
blake being esmeralda is the one time i would endorse rooster teeth taking inspiration from the disney iteration instead of the actual source material as there is a lot of anti romani sentiment in the novel that disney managed to make less egregious [ by having esmeralda actually be romani instead of a french girl who was stolen by them & was a sex worker. ] it also keeps in with her french theme & doesn’t allow for any vagueness around what her potential coding could be; blake can be poc & french, many roma are.
blake being esmeralda also lends to some actual poc representation on screen without falling into the oofness of making blake black / poc with her current mother’s name meaning a slur. the belladonnas could still exist in the storyline if wished, just don’t have them be blake’s parents. blake could finally count for some very rare romani / gypsy rep that we don’t see in media often, let alone animated media; & with her being nonsexualized most of the time & her defining traits being her righteousness & her compassion & drive for justice, she wouldn’t fall into the stereotypical traps of a sexualized gypsy.
also fun fact, red is an unlucky colour in romani / most gypsy cultures; which could be a cute nod to adam being unlucky for her & their cause.
so yes, this is my blake should’ve been based on esmeralda propaganda post ♥
#rwby#blake belladonna#owl.txt#answered#me & luke are two mean gypsies#banging our pots & pans outside of rt's hq at 3am#CLOWNS#Anonymous
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mum... im being bullied on this site for writing and posting a story that apparently makes me into a racist even though i tried really hard to write it so its clear that the POV character is a shitty person and not me??? halp, i need advice pleaze
Hi there :) this is a sensitive subject, but I’ll give it a try.
When writing, what we’re essentially trying to do is communicate what’s in our heads to someone else’s using words. And, contrary to what some believe, using art/writing/whatever as a medium to convey those thoughts are hard and we all end up miscommunicating eventually. Now, in my experiece there are several types of literary miscommunication so I’ll try to cover them all:
1. Miscommunication due to differing perspectives. This happens when you and your audience comes at a text from different viewpoints. Sometimes it’s that you write from the metaphorical north and you can’t see that from the south this story looks way different. For example, look at 13 reasons why. They had a very graphic suicide scene that was meant to “start a discussion” but had other, much less positive consequences. In these situations, I usually ask myself: 1) am I willing to let the southern perspective stand? (as in, am I okay with what it implies?) and 2) is anyone getting hurt? If so, it’s not generally worth it.
The second incarnation of this miscommunication has to do with ethics. For example, if I were to write a story where the main character has an abortion, I would count on this making the character more sympathetic, not less, since I grew up in a culture without any real “pro-life” movement. I would be wary of the portayal because the protagonist would go through intense emotional turmoil, but I would never give the politics a second thought. Thus, if my audience tells me that the main character is a bad person (or that I am) I can stand firm on my ethics (or change them) and act accordingly.
2. Miscommunication through language. This is a big one. Sometimes when we speak to someone we just express ourselves poorly, and the same thing happens when we write. This one is hard to take as a writer, because there’s a prevailing idea that if you can’t convey your point you’re a bad writer, but that’s not the case. When writing, you usually start off writing cliches that have been written a hundred times before, and as you work at it you eventually start incorporating more of your own creativity into the work. When you do that, you can’t rely on people knowing the formula anymore and that’s when we start making mistakes. Let’s say I base a character on one of my friends, and someone criticizes that character for being a sexist trope since she dresses slutty and is pretty sexual. I’m over here like “no?? that’s Claire!” But in reality I failed to make the text reflect what I know: that Claire is multifaceted and interesting. These miscommunications help us become better writers and they never go away either. You know that one tumblr post about the Literature PhDs who has a whole seminar about whether Edgar Allan Poe was racist? Yeah.
From what you told me, you decided to take on writing an unsympathetic protagonist. That’s real tricky, and also a great way to practice characterisation and writing in general. It’s great that you’re doing it, but it also means that making these sorts of mistakes is more likely.
*this one is extra difficult if you’re writing in a second/third etc. language.
3. Miscommunication due to subconcious bias. We’re all products of our enviroments, upbringings, and experiences. Like with varying ethics due to cultural differences, we can’t ignore that sometimes we have preconceptions we’re not necessarily aware of and those can sneak into our writing. For example: I grew up in Europe, where there’s a strong anti-romani sentiment. The first time I learned about romani it was through the sentence “you can’t trust gypsies, they’re all thieves” (this is a slur and should not be used by non-romani. I’m using it here because this is a direct quote that underlines the severity of the jargon). I’m aware of this, and I conciously try to fight the cultural upbringing I had, but these things run deep. If I wrote a text and someone told me that it was offensive towards romani I would take that seriously, because sometimes bias shows up even when we don’t mean for it to. It doesn’t make us bad people, but it is something we have to be aware of as a possibility when we write.
Finally, there’s one more explanation that has nothing to do with miscommunication. Sometimes, tumblr does that because while tumblr is a safe space it’s also a bubble. A bubble with many, many people that tend to see the world through the good ol’ fashioned black/white goggles. Sometimes the audience is just wrong.
To you, anon, I would like to say this: from what you wrote it seems you’re going through a tough time. It’s hard being the target of an anonymous mass that are accusing you of being a bad person, especially in regards to a work you put a lot of effort into and conciously tried to make non-offensive. It’s okay to feel like you can’t handle it and simply change your account/take down the story/whatever makes you feel safe. Writing a story online shouldn’t become a source of bad feelings and thoughts.
If you want tips on the story itself, I would say try to re-read it and attempt to see it through the eyes of those who critizise you. Do they have a point? You can also ask someone else to read it, to get feedback. It can be really hard to see your own work from another perspective. If the discourse isn’t too toxic, you could also engage with your audience and ask them what parts of your story are making them feel that way, since this isn’t what you intended.
No author is perfect, least of all people writing for fun on the internet and it’s not always apparent to the audience how much their comments can hurt, in the end you wrote this story to communicate something and you’ve become a better writer for it. Likewise, you’ve learned something from the response and you’re under no obligation to leave it up or take it down or fix it or whatever. Don’t let it scare you away from writing more things.
I hope this helped. Take care of yourself anon❤️
Edit: I wanted to add that if people are genuinely drawing a direct link between your views and that of a purposefully flawed character then that’s on them and you should do whatever you feel is best for you and your well being.
#lovely anons#asked and answered#tw slurs#discourse#tw suicide mention#as in I mention 13 reasons why#long post
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Racism in Witchcraft
Okay so I’m starting to get some asks regarding my meme-ish post about how lots of resources on witchcraft are pretty racist and, as a result, are what we refer to as really gross in the community. I’m thrilled that this is opening up some discussion as well as bringing up the question “What do you mean when you say there are books about witchcraft that are racist?��
Questions like this are mostly coming from newer witches or else people who, like me, have educated themselves via the Internet rather than books. Because, let’s be honest, books about witchcraft are often expensive. They can be hard to find, depending on where you live. Witches in the broom closet can be leery about purchasing a book that says WITCHCRAFT on the front in big bold font. Whatever the reason, I’d like to thank these blogs for coming forward with these questions. Keep asking questions! They’re not stupid and it’s how we learn and grow as a community.
That being said, I’m gonna let y’all know that I’m white. My opinions do not speak for any people/witches of color, nor would I ever claim that they do. These are just some things that I’ve noticed as I get into books having to do with witchcraft. Any witches/scholars of color who would like to chime in on this are more than welcome to.
This is gonna turn into an essay, I just know it is, so I’m leaving the rest under the cut.
Alright, first example would be Hoodoo and other African diasporic religions. My first issue is that these religions and practices are often closed. To be able to practice them properly and with the respect that’s due to them you need to go through training and initiation through elders/priests/etc. within that religion. Many books on witchcraft by non-black authors will ignore that fact entirely and start throwing around their two cents about what ingredients should go into a mojo hand or how to go about making goofer dust. Thing is, it’s none of their business. The way I see it, most of these diasporic religions came about when African people were forced out of their homeland and into the slave trade in the Americas. These communities took their old faiths and made their own over time, which is where you get a lot of these folk beliefs. People who continue to take these traditions without the cultural context are actively participating in the robbing of beliefs and identity that many of their ancestors started a long time ago.
Next up would be the use of the term gypsy. It refers to the Romani people, a community of nomads who are mostly present in Europe and the Americas. Books on witchcraft often start using this word while completely ignoring the fact that it’s considered a slur among the Romani people. There’s a popular post going around Tumblr right now of pictures of signs hung up outside popular restaurants and other public venues in Europe saying that they will not allow “gypsies” within their establishment. (If anyone includes the link to that they’d be a wonderful person). As a white American I honestly had no idea about this while I was growing up-- I think the most I’d ever heard about this group within popular media would have been The Hunchback of Notre Dame and that Sherlock Holmes sequel. But it’s never too late to educate yourself! Watch out for this word when you’re browsing for books, it’s simply not what cool kids say.
So many... so many...books talk about how to find your totem or spirit animal. Thing is, if you’re not Native American, you can’t. You can find a familiar, or a patronus, or a spirit companion if you do the work, but spirit animals and totems are off limits. I find this concept to be a very New-Age practice, at least in the literature where I find it. They treat the “spirit animal” as a blanket term when it really only applies to one culture. Sometimes the word “manitou” will float around as well, and that’s also referring to something within Native American culture. If any of those terms are coming from a non-Native American author, you’ve been warned. (I believe @violetwitchcraft has resources on this, and is far better able to talk about this than I am. Check that blog out for more :))
There’s also the fact that authors who follow religions that incorporate witchcraft will also print falsehoods about their own faiths. During my excursions into Wiccan literature I’d see a ton of anecdotes about the Burning Times, this mass witch hunt that was supposed to have occurred centuries ago. It never happened, people. Check any historical anecdotes in witch literature with outside sources just to double check the facts. It’ll save you a lot of trouble.
To my knowledge, the Norse pantheon is not closed and is available for anyone to research and/or worship. However, there are some dickheads who follow this religion as an excuse to express fascist ideologies, which is simply wrong on every level. Though I haven’t seen this specifically in literature as of yet, it wouldn’t surprise me with our current political climate. Keep an eye out, friends.
Some authors on Tumblr to check out who aren’t expressing anything racist in their works:
@orriculum (I have not read her book but her blog is A+ and people have been suggesting her latest publication to me so I thought I’d put it up!)
@breelandwalker (Her books are on my to-read list but just go look at her blog. Read her posts. I adore her blog and when you read it you’ll know why I do so go do it)
Please suggest more authors because it’s 3 in the morning and no other names are coming to mind. I sure hope this post helped!
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Review! Hemlock Grove: Part 1 Adumbratio
Time to dive into that wacky Gothic adventure by Brian McGreevy called Hemlock Grove. There will be SPOILERS!
Forewarning!
I’ve watched the show (what can I say, Bill Skarsgard’s performance in Simple Simon piqued my interest), so I sorta know what’s going on. Like most movies or TV Shows based on books, I’m always interested in the source material. Either I’m very confused about what the hell is happening (i.e. Game of Thrones/ ASOIAF) or I want to see if the book(s) were like that as well (i.e. Twilight).
I’m very excited to read this because of the show, so hopefully, it explains a lot more!
Review Time!
The quotes before the section were a nice step into the atmosphere of the world of Hemlock Grove.
So we meet this seventeen-year-old Half-Romani kid named Peter Rumancok who is weird as all hell and I love it. He just moved to Hemlock Grove, Pennsylvania with his mother (Lynda) after his uncle died. In the first chapter, he is onlooking a crime scene before walking home to his mother and telling her about it. Peter explains that he has a bad feeling and that he should trust his Swadisthana (which he describes as being located near your balls). Which of course this kid would think that way. Lynda Rumancok is not just a mom, she’s a cool mom and is smoking pot when we meet her, which is coincidentally how I met some of my friends’ moms.
In the next chapter, we’re introduced to Roman Godfrey, green-eyed rich boy creep of the series. Now here’s where I’m a little confused on what happens. I’m pretty sure Roman goes all upir on her and fucks with the girl’s head, but she also could’ve been a hooker that he likes to have creepy, rapey, needle in the ass, blow-jobs with?? Or maybe both? Anyway, he pays her $500 before she leaves, which is what confuses me a little. Was he paying her because she provided a sexual service or is he being creepy and rapey? or both?? Though all of that should put me off, I’m really intrigued about what this fuckboy will get up to next.
Later on, we find out that the crime scene that Peter saw was actually the body of Brooke Bluebell, and is thought to be an animal attack. Then we meet the ever charming Alex Finster who says that he believes that Brooke’s death was by cannibal Gypsies while Peter is in earshot. Has anyone ever met a Finster that wasn’t an ass? Like anyone??
After that lovely and all too real high school experience, Peter comes home to tell his mom that there is an upir at his school (in reference to Roman). Now I want to add before he does this that I have to give a shout out to McGreevy for the way he described Hemlock Grove. I could picture all of it. The dirty money making factory, loved it. Also loooved this line: “[past the train tracks]...The traditional divider of workers and management and to this day a telling indicator of socioeconomic station.” Truer words haven’t ever been spoken. Another shout out to how McGreevy writes, it’s really different to what I'm used to reading or writing myself but I really dig it. He kinda gives me some modern times Sir Author Doyle vibes in the way he writes, which is more than excellent.
Moving on...After Peter tells Lynda about the upir at school we meet 13-year-old Christina. Christina Wendall (which btw the actress on the show Freya Tingley, was playing this character as well as a 12-year-old Wendy Darling on Once Upon A Time,
which considering how Part 1 of this book ends is quite weird to me...) is a curious writer and befriends (if that’s what you can call it) Peter. Christina asks Peter if he’s a werewolf because his index and middle finger are the same length. (I have to admit that I looked at my own hands during this part. Sadly no my fingers are all different lengths, no shedding of my flesh in this life.) Peter admits that he is a werewolf but in that weird uncle kind of way where you don’t know if they’re really joking or not and before you can ask them they send you away to get their beer. Which is exactly what Peter does to Christina.
On page 16 of the book Peter is talking about fitting in (or not) at school and he starts listing things that are at least entertaining and one of them really stood out to me. “Who locked themselves in the handicapped bathroom to jerk off or cry...” So I pose a question to all of you which one were you? I would be cry, but only in the basement bathrooms of my high school where no one went because the light flickered and someone possibly died there.
But enough about me!
We get to meet Shelley Godfrey, the 7 1/2 foot tall younger sister of Roman, who’s more or not looks like that girl from The Ring but in a Frankenstein monster way. Peter is nice to her, which good at least somebody is. Though he’s nice to Shelley, Peter has a flashback of another encounter he had with upir’s when he shares English class with Roman. Okay so these upirs are naked dancing French upirs and they are torturing a fox while it’s in a trap with dangling cheese. They are even worse than that Finster or Roman. (Another side note! “The French” like you don’t even have to say more than that and I know what you mean. As someone having the Frenchist of French names, I agree and I understand.)
One page 19, there’s another question I’d like to ask you all reading that Roman brought up. Batman vs. Wolverine; who would win in a fight? This is really tough for me... but I think maybe Wolverine??? What do you guys think?
We get introduced to Letha Godfrey, Roman’s first cousin for a moment before Roman does what Roman always does and surprises everyone! He reads a poem in English class, which Alex Finster interrupts with another dude and Roman says, “Are you fucking philistines pretty proud of yourselves?” Which YAS! Go the fuck off, you creepy as fuck boy, tell them they’re being assholes.
Later on, Peter goes to the park where Brooke was killed and lays down where her body was found. In my notes all I wrote was ‘Starts humming The Smiths.’ Make of that what you will. Finally, the scene I’ve been waiting for; Roman and Peter finally talk! They both think the other killed Brooke, Roman asking if Peter came back to his territory or something. Peter tells him that, “Territory is so bourgeois.”
(UGH so many 80′s vibes.) Then my favorite thing happens that I forgot existed till now. “Shee-it.” Hello old friend. Need I say more. Perfect word for awkward/uncomfortable situations. They get caught being out at a crime scene, but it’s okay because Roman goes all upir on the cops and Peter and Roman are good to go.
Next chapter has Shelley wanting to have a salad instead of meat because of all the beautiful colors but her mother Olivia Godfrey refuses her. Shelley writes to her uncle Norman Godfrey (Letha’s father) about the situation and GOD is Shelley too good for this world. Too pure. Also, I love the word authoress, I never knew it was a real word until this book. I finally found a new title for what I do! It’s so dramatic...Authoress.
Then we come to a storyline that I completely forgot about! Olivia and Normans affair! I don’t know how I forgot about this one but DAMN. It’s a pretty big one. I should start that the two are reunited in their sex affair when Letha finds out that she is pregnant. Letha is a virgin, by the way, let the fun times begin!
Letha tells her cousin Roman about the situation and how she believes an angel impregnated her. Roman tries to pry who could be the father and ends up sounding like the world’s dumbest owl. But he also has a moment of self-reflection or self-awareness “But as someone who was by nature a taker he when he had taken exactly as much as he was going to get.” I was surprised that Roman knew he was an ass. Then Roman goes back to drinking and driving when he almost hits a man in the middle of the road. The man starts screaming at Roman that he doesn’t “want to see that.” and “IT WAS YOU!” and crab walks off the road. <--- Was this suppose to be me, McGreevy? I also crab walk into Pennsylvania forests to get out of uncomfortable situations while screaming. Kidding aside, I liked the shout out to The Bell’s of St. Mary’s when Letha is talking with the crab walking man.
I really loved the next scene with Roman and Shelley, where he takes her back to her room and they begin to hum/sing This little light of mine. Once again Shelley is waaaaaay too good for this story. She’s way too innocent and nice.
On October 29th, Roman asks Peter if he can watch him transform into a werewolf. Peter, being a proud Rumancok and wanting to show off says yes. Before Peter transforms he is getting anxious, which Roman offers him some Xanax. WHAT DRUG DOESN’T ROMAN HAVE IN THAT TIN CAN? Is that what this book is really about? How many illegal substances can I fit into small objects? Make me the Mary Poppin’s pill popper, this tin can is endless! I see you, McGreevy, with your never ending tin can of drugs reference. I see you.
Going back to the actual story, we come to the really gross part. Now, this scene is just as disgustingly described as it was to watch it on the show, so kudos to McGreevy for coming up with this shit. I could picture everything. And it was ugly.
Speaking of ugly, we come to another scene in the show that I didn’t really get. So I understood what happened I just didn’t get why Christina Wendall decided to make out with a corpse (though she didn’t know it was a real corpse). Now that I read where Christina’s head was at (you know a thirteen-year-old buying condoms to have sex with a senior so she can write about it. AGAIN, McGreevy I see you writing about me!) This poor girl though. Trying to be too many things at once and then get’s fucked up to the extreme. <--- also me. FUCK is Christina me at that age? Is this like a forewarning story of how things could’ve gone if I hadn’t gotten sick? I mean I also had a Tyler in my life who wanted to bang. Could I have been trying to kiss corpse to experience something new? Hmmmm.....
So that’s the end of Part 1 of Hemlock Grove! I made it!
The book has done what I wanted it to do and is answering a lot of questions I was asking. Like the whole why Christina decided to kiss the corpse, and what motivated her to go outside herself. I can’t wait to see what other little quirks or whatnot’s the book explains that the show didn’t quite do. But I have to say I love seeing that the show had so much book dialogue! That is always awesome to see in adaptations. I can’t wait to read the next 3 (or 4?) parts and give the rest of my review!
BONUS ROUND!
Favorite Quotes
“Modern times were just so fucking structured.”
“Looks fucking metal” -Peter talking about a pentagram to Christina and being that uncle
“The car was totally metal”- Peter about Roman’s car.
“Shee-it”- My all-time favorite quote of this book
“It made his beard a bad liar”- Norman Godfrey about his beard
“Shut your lying whore mouth”- Roman to his cousin. Such a pleasure.
Stay tuned for my Part 2 of this Review!
But in the meantime
Check out Brian McGreevy’s website here!
Buy his book, Hemlock Grove here!
If you haven’t seen the Hemlock Grove on Netflix go and give it a look!
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Tell HolyClothing Racial Slurs ARE a Big Deal
I have two friends getting married this summer, and I’m in both wedding parties, so naturally they’ve been sending me pictures of dresses to look at. Since my BFF is both pagan and really into LARP, she also considered some dresses from a historical/fantasy clothing site, which would be great, normally (I got my prom dress from one, and it was awesome)... but I was really disconcerted to see that one of the dresses she was looking at for me had a racial slur in the description.
This is really common, unfortunately, with sites like that, because there’s an unfortunate lack of awareness (at least in North America, I can’t speak for elsewhere) about the fact that g*psy is a really offensive and oppressive term for the Romani/Rromani people (and an offensive and inaccurate term to use for other nomadic groups like Irish Travellers).
Anyway, since the company is committed to ethical practices, I hoped they’d be receptive to a request to change the descriptions on clothing featuring that word (which also appears in the hover-over text for the tab), and I sent them a long, very polite email about it, including a link to a Romani person discussing the issue. Unfortunately, this was not the case. Evidently, HolyClothing had been alerted to this previously, but because their Facebook followers didn’t see an issue with it, and since they’re of the opinion that they’re using it in a non-derogatory way, they think it’s fine to keep using it.
I’m sending them a still polite but markedly disapproving response email, but if they want to ignore me... they’ll ignore me. However, if they were suddenly inundated with polite-but-markedly-disapproving (or even polite-and-utterly-distressed) emails and Facebook comments, that might sway them.
I’ll include all the emails under a cut. If you want to help, you can email them at [email protected] for Customer Service, or [email protected] for Press/PR. If that’s a little overwhelming, their Facebook page is here.
Please send them an email or a Facebook message or comment if you can. If you can’t, for whatever reason, please don’t feel bad about it, and signal boost if you’re up for it.
Here’s my correspondance with HolyClothing, unaltered except for spaces for readability and editing of personal details: Bolding for clarity of formatting.
My first email to them:
Hey, I posted this on your Facebook earlier because I couldn't find your 'Contact' link on the website. I suspect this is the fault of my computer, which displayed a few bugs when I was looking through the website for other things; sometimes it's kind of temperamental.
So, here's what I said:
"I'm looking at some clothing from your shop because my friend likes them for her bridesmaid dresses, and while I really like a lot of your clothes, I'm uncomfortable about buying clothes from a company that uses a racial slur in their descriptions.
I know it's common for companies that sell historical- and fantasy-inspired clothes to use the term 'gypsy' to refer to a certain style of clothing, but it is in fact an offensive and marginalizing term to a minority group which is still persecuted today, and I would feel a lot better if you would address it, and, hopefully, change the names on articles like this one:
http://holyclothing.com/…/kyla-scalloped-hem-gothic-embroid…
Here is an article by a person who IS Romani explaining why the word is offensive and some of her negative experiences with similar branding. http://gypsyappropriations.blogspot.ca/…/problem-with-word-…
Thank you for taking the time to read and respond to my concerns." Since I'm off Facebook I'd like to elaborate - I know the company is based in India, but I understand that it's run by Canadians. It's VERY common in North America for non-Romani people not to know about the offensive implications of the word, and I myself (I am not Romani) only found out this information a few years ago. I am sure that your company's usage of the word was done unintentionally rather than callously.
At the same time, as you can see from the article I've linked, using the word the way you have can cause huge amounts of unintentional harm to Romani people who see it, and who have to deal with people who have normalized it because of seeing similar things, so I really felt I had to say something immediately.
I'm very conflicted - I love most of your clothing and I'm thrilled to find an ethically-sourced and semi-Canadian company selling the sort of thing I'm so interested in... and, of course, I want to make my friend's wedding perfect for her, which includes wearing whatever she picks out. But I'm really uncomfortable purchasing from a business that uses a racial slur not just in some of their product descriptions, but in their branding.
Given HolyClothing's dedication to ethical business, I'm confident you'll address the matter in a satisfactory manner, which would send a good message to your customers, as well as distinguishing you among other historical and fantasy-esque stores who use similar branding.
Thank you so much for your time and attention,
Riley [last name redacted]
Their response:
Hello Riley,
Thank you for taking the time to email us. This has been addressed in the past with HolyClothing and more than one poll was taken on our Facebook page. We are not using the term in a derogatory manner and to date, have not received any complaints from Romani people.
We appreciate your feedback.
Regards - Brenda
And my latest email:
I'm really disappointed to hear that. I had higher expectations from you as a business.
May I suggest that you read (or reread) the post at the link I sent you ( http://gypsyappropriations.blogspot.ca/2010/04/problem-with-word-gypsy.html ), in which the large guest section details a Romani person's experience, and demonstrates how the term is no less hurtful even when not used with malice. There's also an explanation of how such use of the term contributes to erasure of the Romani people (the author of the blog is regularly told that she's not real), and gives some context to its history and utter inappropriateness when used by anyone who isn't Romani. If you require anything more than that, it's easy to find Romani people discussing or explaining this in various places online, and I would also be willing to provide you with as much additional material as you require.
I'd also like to suggest that perhaps it's time to set up another one of those polls - but even if the response doesn't condemn the term, it would reflect well on HolyClothing as a company, especially one committed to ethical practices, to do what's right rather than simply what's easiest.
(Incidentally, in my experience it is very easy to rebrand anything described as 'g*psy' as either 'boho' or 'pirate' as is fitting. If you find 'pirate' doesn't quite fit your store, you could always try 'nomad', 'hippie', 'flower child', and so on, or in specific descriptions, substitute one of your other branding terms, like, again, 'boho', or 'peasant' as appropriate. Simply dropping it from your hover-over tab description would still leave you with four adjectives which still convey very effectively the variety and type of clothing you provide.)
Thank you for your time. [initials redacted]
#racism#gypsy#gipsy#g-slur#and now for serious things#equality and understanding#always open to correction from actual r(r)oma people#why i hate the world sometimes#(let's be honest#you could PROBABLY find out my last name on facebook if you wanted to#but idk i'd feel uncomfortable publishing my last name here)#...#i also have to go to sleep soon i think#so if this post blows up or something#or if i've fucked up or something#*please* give me a grace period of like ten hours or so to address it#like let me know/ask your question but i can't answer/address it until i'm awake#fair?
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