#soul transplant

[abybweisse]

Do you think UT would truly allow any harm to come to Our!Ciel? And do you think he cares for him at all? He appears to be actively working against him in the story currently alongside Real!Ciel, and Our!Ciel is working to shut down his bizarre doll operations. But, at the end of the day he is still a member of the Phantomhive family, and Vincent’s son, no less. The contrast between his dedication to the Phantomhive family and his constant conflict with Our!Ciel makes me question what his real end goal here is. What do you think it is?

Undertaker's feelings and plans

1. He might allow it. Depending on how you define "harm"... he might even plan on doing some, though I don't think he would see it as harm.

2. Yes, I do think he cares about our earl. It's just that his methods for trying to save the remaining Phantomhives are highly questionable. Undertaker seems to be losing touch with reality, in some ways, probably due to some interruption or halt in his grieving process... which is rather ironic, given his choice of profession as an undertaker.

3. There are many ways this could go, but the way he sees the twins as essentially the same -- it doesn't matter too much to him which is which -- he might think it's perfectly reasonable to combine them and make them "one", as if he's putting two halves together to make a whole. Our earl has a soul, but his body is sort of weak from recurring bouts of asthma. Real Ciel would have a strong body (once Undertaker perfects his reanimating techniques), but he no longer has a soul. Combining our earl's soul with real Ciel's body might strike him as some sort of perfection. The Ultimate Bizarre Doll -- or Ultimate Doll -- if you will. This would, in his mind, have the added bonus of removing our earl's soul from a body that's marked with a demon contract. He might think that doing this would make the contract null and void. I don't think it would work as well as he would hope....

[abybweisse]

Don't forget this part just before the quote above:

*cough* real Ciel, not teal Ciel *cough*

Friendly reminder to everyone: This "soul transplant" theory isn't really just 4 years old, like this post I was commenting on. Thanks to even older Mother3 posts I did on a related topic... it's an idea I've been working on for about 6 years. The older Mother3 posts I reblogged at the time helped to support my answer when someone asked me, back in 2018, if this was what was about to happen.

That August 2018 comment where it's my "eventual conclusion"? I'd already reached it by then, after 2 years of discussing the parallels in Mother3. Oddly enough, it's a break in the plot (sort of), because Lucas and Claus are never combined. However, when Claus and Lucas are unexpectedly born (Hinawa and Flint did not know Hinawa was having twins, just like Rachel and Vincent didn't know), Hinawa tells Flint that Claus and Lucas will be able to do things together that they can't alone.

And I think I first posted that in December 2015.... Soon after, I started to mix that with the Mengele research and what Claude does in s2 (and what Angela Blanc does in s1) and started to think about the possibility of soul transplants in the manga. By the time we got to Heathfield and Jane, I was bouncing off the walls over the "shapes of souls". It told me I was on the right track. What's going on at F. O. L. Orphanage cements it in my mind.

Either real Ciel gets Theo's soul, and our earl has to confront him that way, or real Ciel can't use Theo's soul -- for whatever reason -- and Undertaker tries to use our earl's soul instead.

Kind of like how we see Sebastian holding Agni's lifeless body, Mother3 shows Lucas holding Claus's lifeless body. I'm expecting either our earl to hold real Ciel's lifeless body... or for real Ciel (with our earl's soul inside) to hold our earl's (sort of his own) lifeless body.

However, I suspect that mirror twins have mirrored souls, and this could also pose a problem!

Two Halves to Make a Whole

A very odd thought occurred to me last night just before I fell asleep. It had mostly to do with Undertaker saying he didn’t want to lose another Phantomhive.

I was thinking about how technically, both boys are lost. Real!Ciel lost his soul, and our!Ciel is bound in a demonic contract. While I suppose Undertaker could be planning to kill Sebastian to real our!Ciel, that doesn’t help real!Ciel. He still doesn’t have a soul, and Undertaker has made it very clear that a body cannot accept a soul that not its own. That’s when, just before I fell asleep, a peculiar question came to my mind.

What if the way to save both the boys is to make them one?

It’s odd, but hear me out on this. First, the twins have been described as both mirror images and two halves of a whole. Personality wise, they have differing traits which could compliment each other.

When Undertaker first appears on the scene, what’s the very first thing we see?

Of course, this is an anatomical figure that would have been used in fields such as medicine at the time, but look past its purpose. It also shows a bisected man - a man that looks like part one thing (his insides) and part another.

Imagine if there was a way that Undertaker things he could do this. Our!Ciel posses a soul. His brother possess a body without a demon seal. If somehow you could put those two together - maybe in a Dr. Frankenstein sort of way. It could possibly be a way to save both.

It sounds twisted, but Undertaker has done some twisted things in pursuit of his research - such as causing all those deaths on Campania with his bizarre dolls. He’s very focused on his end game here, and his goal has always been to save at least one of the boys…maybe both.

Thoughts?

[synthshenanigans]

a heart or brain transplant would be p fucked up to heart and mind wouldn't it

[forgivenfolly]

me like three days ago: prem probably wouldn't get much out of this expac it's a good thing i didn't choose to play it as him

the expac:

[a-walking-fandom-reference]

okay dentist wasn’t horrible i mean it wasn’t great because it was dentist and it’s autism hell i hate the teeth scraping and polishing of it all but i always forget how funny my dental hygienist is

[abybweisse]

@fwippysays I agree with that assessment: what they're being put through, as older and protective "siblings", helps shape their souls to better match with their star lords. By no intention of their own, they are shaping their souls to fit even better than any of their classmates could achieve.

That goes along with what I said before that the heads of the classes are being kept there longer specifically because they are better fits and getting something along the lines of finishing touches. The behavior of the staff suggests this is true, too, since they strongly encourage the eldest head of each class to behave as a protective older sibling. It must be part of the "curriculum" built into the system.

They suffer to see the younger kids around them die (or be taken away to their deaths) despite their attempts to keep them safe -- these fledged kids generally used for their blood, but also possibly for soul transplants expected to fail (the failures would give Undertaker a chance to learn from them) -- and once these heads of the classes are deemed ready, they will be used as the final "treatment" for their lords. All that suffering from losing others they care about is one of the biggest emotional experiences they need for shaping their souls.

Because, yes, each lord of the stars suffered (and in some way still does suffer) from the loss of a person or people they somehow failed to protect. I suspect that's very much how Undertaker feels about the Phantomhive family, and this deep sense of loss and failure felt by each lord of the stars might have something to do with why they were chosen to begin with.

With real Ciel, before his death, he cries over his failed attempt to save his family from the attackers. He was just a child, but he saw himself as weak and useless for that failure.

Doll couldn't save her fellow circus troupe members (or the kids presumably left behind in the workhouse), whom she saw as family.

We don't know exactly what's up with Layla/Al, but Al does seem to exist for the purpose of protecting Layla, and they couldn't save themselves/each other from dying.

Polaris not only vows to protect real Ciel, but he also mourns the loss of his former master, which is part of why I theorize he's one of the former butlers for Vincent. If that's true, then it helps explain his obsessive level of loyalty to real Ciel, Vincent's firstborn heir.

I also said before that I don't think these class heads know about the soul harvesting part of the orphanage's existence, just the blood collecting part, which probably means draining the "fledged" to death. They are trying to protect the other children, perhaps thinking that showing the right aptitude is what will keep them all alive, and they probably don't realize that the best of the best in each class will likely eventually suffer a fate even worse than death.

A tragic parallel between the F.O.L orphanage and Baron Kelvin’s workhouse

I wanted to point out that it’s interesting “the oldest siblings” of each group actually aren’t the ones getting their “fledging day” first. 

In fact, as we could see with this chapter, little Ginny who was scared of horses, something unbefitting of her aptitude as a Corgi, is the one who got a sudden “fledging day”. 

Thanks to this chapter, it’s also pretty obvious that “the oldest siblings” know where the other kids are sent, as indicated by Oliver’s and Artie’s scared reactions in this chapter.

The “oldest siblings” being aware of what’s going on also explains why Oliver sort of “protected” Daniel, when he conveyed to the adults that he didn’t fit in the Collie group. 

In other words, when the operation needs a kid (for blood or some other reason), it’s those who don’t fit in who get taken first so, Ginny aside, we should also definitely worry about Daniel but also Nick from the Pomeranian group.

Focusing a little bit on Artie, a Mastiff, who brought Daniel, a Collie, to his class and Oliver who interrupted Daniel talking about “fledging day”, it seems the “oldest siblings” are trying as hard as they can to protect the other kids from meeting a terrible fate. This also explains Theo’s helpful attitude with Ginny in the last chapter: 

However, despite Theo’s best efforts, the adults noticed that Ginny was not living up to her aptitudes as a Corgi and she’s now about to reach “fledging day”. ://

The “oldest siblings” also definitely know that Doll is probably the one who’s watching over the whole orphanage operation, as indicated by their reactions when Snake introduced himself as Doll’s acquaintance…

…And it’s very interesting, because I think it creates a parallel with Doll’s own situation, back when she was alive. 

After all, as a kid from Kelvin’s workhouse, when she joined Noah’s Ark, Doll began abducting kids with Joker and co to satisfy Kelvin’s madness but also to protect their younger siblings back at the orphanage. However, this was all for naught, as Kelvin had already killed those kids for his mad project, something our!Ciel discovered at the end of the arc.

At F.O.L orphanage, the “oldest siblings” act similarly: they were probably told the sad truth behind this orphanage and they have no other way but to go along with it in order to survive, which makes them accomplices, while still trying as hard as they can to protect many of their fellow “siblings” so that they won’t get to their “fledging day” too quickly. 

It’s tragic really and, since they think Snake and Finny are Doll’s friends, they probably won’t trust them to help. :/ 

The single silver ray of hope I have is that Theo reminds Finny of someone: could be either twins or it could be a kid from Finny’s own tragic past from that scientific lab in Germany and, in that case, if Theo can eventually trust Finny, then maybe Finny and Snake will learn the truth and help save all these kids.

It would also make a beautiful parallel with Theo reading Fenian cycle… 

…since our Finny is indeed stronger than many others and could definitely help saving them. 

TL;DR Doll probably pushed the “oldest siblings” into the same situation that she experienced when she was alive: become accomplices in order to survive but also to protect innocent children, which is exactly how she lost herself and died. Here’s to hoping that Snake (who wasn’t a part of Noah’s Ark abduction ring) and Finny (who’s very strong) will be able to realize the truth in time, in order to help these children. 

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[icewindandboringhorror]

me everytime I am preparing a meal with multiple elements I have to balance so they all finish cooking at the same time: Wow this is just like the 2009 hit Nintendo Wii game 'Food Network: Cook Or Be Cooked'

[malhare-archive]

Rewatching the Walten Files, it's so brutal how Bon always targets his victims' faces and just completely mauls them beyond recognition

[lordgoopy]

the thing abt bg3 and finally getting into fantasy a little is that you get the most annoying plp arguing abt the existence of the soul. im not arguing with a fantasy nerd abt the soul go play soma!!!!

[nomaishuttle]

meryl is the bravest computer girl ever...

[abybweisse]

Let me get this straight so I'm not mis-understanding anything. Is Real Ciel an animated corpse that Undertaker has brought to an imitation of life, and that RC is still at the mental/emotional/psychological age when he died? Does RC realize and is aware that he's a Bizarre Doll that isn't going to grow up?

Real Ciel as a Bizarre Doll

He is definitely a corpse that Undertaker has reanimated. In ch141, Undertaker even correctly says "reanimation", not "revival".

His mental age is difficult to determine. He does seem to have the ability to learn. Not only did Undertaker have real Ciel witness as much as possible of our earl's doings, so he would soak up those experiences...

...but real Ciel also learns about our earl's management of the estate. He has no personal interest in continuing with Funtom Co., but at least he does recognize the hard work and determination that went into building such a large and successful business. In ch141 still, Undertaker points out he can think on his own, so he can input and process new information. He has changed some since being reanimated, but it seems to be mostly for the worse, in many respects. Colder, meaner. Heartless (just like Claus in Mother3).

The last part is also a bit hard for me to say with any certainty. He is aware that he's a bizarre doll, and he seems to understand he's not exactly alive. Our earl and Undertaker discuss this fact right in front of him (also ch141).

However, if he believes that Undertaker can fully revive him (soul transplant, etc.), he might assume he still has a future ahead of him where he's alive again, able to grow, able to have a family of his own someday, and so on.

[nighthive-skindeep]

help me w something owo this is roddy, he is the introductory character at the very beginning of nighthive//skindeep. i want to rework the intro to make it more concise, because it takes a while to get through.

[transplantdiary]

I wanted to be at home sooo much, I barely believed, when the doc told us, we can spend the easter at home. I cried a bit and when we arrived, I felt like a stranger at my home😔 I' m walking in the house, touch the furnitures, nothing feels like i'm at home. My son is stressed, feels the same and he' s afraid of getting fever. We told him to keep calm and try to enjoy of being at home. I know it' not easy. We were at hospital from 27th december. A long long time.. and we' ll be there till the end of the summer. The transplant will be at 24th april, so we have to "move" to the sterile box at 15th. It' s 2 weeks.

We planned to stroll a little, but Son's blood oxygen is too low for that. He gets tired after a few steps. Hard to see it. When he gets blood, he becomes so vivid. We go for long walks in the nearby park, but now, just a few steps and enough. He' s extemely pale, his lips are sore. Now he seem ill🙁

[feralplantwife]

MDZS but it's told as a bunch of extremely divisive reddit posts

r/AITA for hunting the man who ruined my life even though he non-consensually gave me an organ transplant that also ruined HIS life

r/NuclearRevenge I destroyed a man's life in every sense of the word for killing my brother and I'm over the moon about it actually

r/RelationshipAdvice The love of my life came back from the dead and now we're travelling as a married couple even though we're not married and I haven't even told him about the kid yet

r/Occult So if I come back from the dead in someone else's body do I still need to register for the census? Follow up question, do I register my body or my soul or both?

r/Let'sNotMeet my crazy uncle turns out to be my other, crazier uncle wearing his body like a suit help?????

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