#sort of anti sandaime hokage too

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Itachi was actually 12 years old during the massacre. His age was falsified by Danzo and the Hokage on paper during ANBU promotions.

Everyone always talks about what Itachi could have done instead of wtf the Hokage could have done or the Uchiha elders (hello!), or any clan for that matter. I

The Hokage also admits to knowing about the situation beforehand and still ordered his younger generation of shinobi, to solve political issues that has wounds as deep as the village’s foundation.

(Itachi also thinks to himself why the hell didn’t the Hokage do anything to help or stop the coup before it came to him murdering his family and leaving his precious little brother alone.)

How can a 12 year old and his 15 year old cousin accomplish something not even Fugaku at 40 couldn’t. That system was set up so weird.

what sometimes baffles me is the response to itachi's position at the moment of the massacre as, "if he was as smart, why couldn't he stop it", because he was no more than a child. one idolised by people who saw him as a martyr from whom take advantage, but a child. a child can't stop a war.

[djinmer4]

Failure 3 of ?

Life #11

Tobirama thinks he’s got this down to a science now.  Save Hashirama by informing their father of his meetings with Uchiha Madara.  Apologize for betraying him and don’t kill either of the Uchiha brothers so that Konohagakure no Sato comes into existence.  Get Madara to take Hiruzen, Kagami, and Torifu as his students after Hashirama dies (ten lives now and he still doesn’t know what kills his brother).  See that either Torifu or Kagami become Sandaime.

(Danzo escapes.  Always.)

But there’s always something else to fix.  One thing he learned from when Kagami was Sandaime was how the Caged Bird Seal was used after he died.  When he made the Seal for the Hyuuga, he had been told it was to prevent their Byakugan from being sealed.  (Danzo had proven the danger beyond all expectations.)  One of Kagami’s many continuing headaches had been how the Head’s family had turned it into a slave seal.

So when Mito’s mourning period is up, he takes to courting her.

She laughs him out of the house.

Still, the humiliation becomes the start of a fruitful friendship.  Mito stays in Konoha rather than returning to Uzushio.  With her help, he modifies the Caged Bird Seal into something that cannot be used to punish the bearer.  The Jinchuriki, which never get created when Madara doesn’t attack Konohagakure no Sato, now come into existence one generation later, when the Ichibi attacks Sunagakure no Sato.  Uzushio still falls, but the majority of the survivors come to Konohagakure no Sato.

And when he gets resurrected in front of the Five Nations, the counter-measure he designed against the Edo Tensai finally gets used.

Life #12

Tobirama cannot save Uzushio by through Mito, although now he has a fool-proof way to start passing his sealing knowledge on.  He looks around at who else he can use.  Maybe he should give a shot at seducing the Hokage?

Underneath his prickly, anti-social exterior, Madara is surprisingly open to a relationship.  Tobirama has to remind himself that he hasn’t killed Izuna this time, that Madara solely knows him as his best friend’s younger brother and a slightly less talented opponent on the field.  In hindsight, he also remembers that when Madara lives to be Nidaime, he never marries in those lives either.

The relationship provides him with a new, intimate view of both Madara and the Uchiha.  Tobirama finally begins to forgive the Uchiha for his brother’s death in his first life.  He realizes now that the Uchiha were just as scared, just as angry and just as sad as the Senju.  He learns about Madara’s three older brothers, how Madara went from being a third spare to the heir of the clan in just a day.  How Madara kept his Sharingan hidden until he needed something to make his father willing to let the Senju leave without a fight that day on the river.

It shames Tobirama.  Only now does he understand the depth of the pain he put the other through in his former lives.  He resolves this time to try and make up for it, even if Madara will never know about the different futures he might have experienced.

And in the end, it works . . . sort of.  Uzushio is saved, at the cost of Konoha’s relations with everyone but Suna.  But getting so close to power again, Tobirama finds himself seeking more duties, more responsibilities.  To humor him, Madara assigns him to the diplomatic corps, which turns out to be a complete disaster.  Tobirama is barely trusted in Konoha, where he is known both for his dedication to the Academy and care for the children, but also for creating forbidden jutsus and running the ANBU squads.  Outside Konoha, his reputation is even worse.  Combined with his abrupt manners and what appears to be precognitive knowledge of their villages, Tobirama manages to alienate almost every ally they have.  When Tobirama is resurrected again, he sees the Senju.  He sees the Uchiha.  He sees Uzushio and four Jinchuriki fighting alongside the alliance.  But it an alliance of three villages isn’t enough to save the world from his student.  (Danzo, again, again, again.)  Tobirama crumbles away, resolving to do better next time.

Life #13

The problem last time, he realizes, was that Tobirama was given too much responsibility.  In other lives, those diplomatic missions would have been given to Izuna or Torifu.  While Hiruzen had been too conciliatory, Tobirama was too demanding.  So despite his regret, Tobirama resolves to seek influence another way, and leave Madara alone.

(Maybe not completely alone.  Tobirama will give Madara the one thing Tobirama can’t have.  A trusted companion.)

Having successfully courted one Uchiha, Tobirama decides to try the other.  Madara opened his eyes to a world he had never realized even existed.  Izuna would probably be equally as astonishing.

Izuna laughs him out of the house.

Tobirama thinks it says something about him that of the three relationships he’s actually pursued over these many lives, two of them find the whole idea ridiculous and the one who didn’t was so desperate for a confidant that really anyone would have done.  Still, he thinks this might have been the best life.  With support from Izuna and Mito, he has enough influence to tip the Council to send aid early, and without him pressuring Madara to give him more responsibility, Konoha’s reputation remains intact.

Another almost-perfect life.  Even letting Danzo escape again is acceptable because Tobirama breaks the control of his second resurrection and brings himself and the other Kages to the aid of the Five Nations.

Tobirama watches Kaguya and Zetsu be defeated and crumbles in peace, sure that this time he would go to the peace of the Pure Lands.

Life #14

Except that’s not what happens.  When he wakes to his childhood ceiling again, Tobirama feels like crying.  Everything had gone perfectly last life.  What had gone wrong?

Maybe he’s not starting soon enough.  This time he uses every trick of the Hiraishin that he and Minato had created to reach Itama in time.  He’s not quite strong enough to defeat the three Uchihas who are menacing his little brother (he’s only nine and experience only makes up for so much) but he can get his little brother home safe and sound.

Hashirama is grateful, Butsuma not quite as grim, and now they have another Senju brother still alive.  Tobirama had never considered Itama having much influence either way, but he’s the younger brother of Tobirama and the God of Shinobi.  There’s probably vast potential that he’s been ignoring all along.

Not that he ever finds out.  Itama comes across his notes for Edo Tensai and is horrified.  He shows them to Hashirama and Butsuma.

When Tobirama reveals Edo Tensai, he’s usually at least in his late teens.  By that point, Butsuma is dead and he’s the only member of Hashirama’s direct family left.  While the God of Shinobi may find the jutsu revolting, he’s got family sentiment not to mention all the good work Tobirama puts into the village to balance out the disgust.  But finding it now is a different thing.  Itama has spilled the beans to the entire clan and there’s no way to stop the rest of them from clamoring for his blood.  Butsuma sees the implications of the jutsu, but can’t control the damage, particularly when his oldest son is one of the loudest dissenters.  Tobirama is chased from the Senju lands, every warrior shouting for his head.

He spends decades hiding.  Every time he goes to various civilian villages under a genjutsu he listens, desperate for news.  He hears about the Senju-Uchiha peace treaty, the new village of Konohagakure.  The creation of the Jinchuriki.  Hashirama’s death and Madara’s ascension to Nidaime.  He hears about the price on his head, how mothers and shinobi warn each other about the Monster of the Senju, still lurking in the woods to take revenge on Konoha.

On a whim, he finds the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path.  In all these lives, he’s never had a chance to study the techniques of the Sage of Six Paths so he buries himself in that.  Tobirama wakes the Zetsu, uses them to become his eyes and ears in the outside world.  Finds out about Kagami becoming Sandaime, about the Senju dwindling to one alcoholic princess.  Hears about Danzo, and how the man destroys Konoha’s reputation until Kagami executes him for trying to break the Clans and creating his own private army.

Tobirama grows bitter.  He takes one of the Zetsu, an unusually mutated one that is black rather than white as his confidant.  He thinks he remembers something about this one from earlier lives but dismisses the whole thing as unimportant.  The Zetsu becomes a good sounding board, letting him refine his plans, first against Kaguya and then against Konoha.  He brings him a young Uchiha, badly damaged and ripe for manipulation.  He turns Obito into a weapon, teaching him the Edo Tensai, then setting him off against Konoha.  His last years are spent watching Obito destroy what his detractors worked so hard to build.  He dies satisfied, waiting for his resurrection.

It is only after he is brought back from the dead that he realizes he’s been had.  The Seven Armies are facing him, but only two Jinchuriki.  Only one Senju.  Only one Uchiha.  He’s facing them in front of an army of the dead and Zetsu (how could he have forgotten?) is only seconds away from bringing Kaguya into the world again.

Tobirama has traveled all this way, only to become the Monster he was trying to defeat.

Life #15

Senju Butsuma has only one son, Hashirama.  Kawarama and Itama are dead.  Tobirama might as well be.  His second son, once his pride and joy, has gone mad.  He spends his days screaming when he hasn’t been drugged into insensibility.  Sometimes Butsuma goes to the padded room where he’s been locked in and stares at that white hair, those red eyes, exactly the same as his wife.  He carries a kunai or a bottle of dark fluid.  But he never does anything.  Only stares and turns away after hours of observation.

Had Tobirama been capable of appreciating it, he would have realized that this is by far his longest life yet.  He outlives Hashirama, Madara, all of his students, even his grandniece.  He would have gained a new appreciation for the poetic justice of the Gods.

As is, he spends his time between drugged out stupor and screaming, cursing regret.