#sorry for actively caring about a comparison between movies that have nothing in common but the lead and the release year

[livvyofthelake]

uh. i don’t think. those are really like. comparable scenes. whatever.

[theuncommittedwriter]

From now on, alone

From: My hero academia

Pairing: Shouto Todoroki x reader

Genre: angst

A/N: Oh wow, first thing and is angst, such a surprise! Lmao I love angst. I hope you'll like it :) please take in consideration that English is not my first language. Be free to do as much corrections as you need! Please enjoy! :)

Summary: Shouto and his s/o met at UA quite years ago, but now, due to a disease, he has to see her losing her life in front of his eyes

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He wondered if he would ever be able to forget the beauty that your sleeping face gathered. No, it was more than beauty. There was something of the peace of your breathing, the length of your eyelashes, the redness of your lips, the little distortion on the form of your face caused by having the cheek pressed on the mattress. You looked angelical on rather common terms. But he was not a believer of God; more likely, he had stopped believing in him after hearing some news from your mouth. Those words together were like hearing the trumpets announcing the day of the final trial to him.

Shouto Todoroki couldn't recall when was the last time he had slept, or at least, the last time he had had an eight hour time of recharging sleep. His mind wouldn't stop screaming and racing all over the place. It seemed like no matter in which direction he looked, there was a little memory with you. Be it the darkest corner of the bedroom, in which you once tried to scare him after watching a thriller movie in a particular rainy night; or the center of the large room, where he had invited you to dance in a playful tone more than every day. In other circumstances, he would affirm with total security that it was a bless to have such large mountain of memories with his beloved one. But at the moment, it felt like it was the plage coming after him.

The man wanted nothing more than to get on his feet and take a large run across the city. And if even after that he couldn't calm his mind, he would take the first train he could catch. It didn't have to matter the destination. He wanted nothing more than to escape, to be a coward and run away from his fears, from the fatality future that he couldn't control nor predict. He had never considered himself someone who wanted to be in charge of everything, but after that night, he felt like if he didn't take control of things, he would go insane. Unfortunately, his racing heart wouldn't allow himself to run. Not now. Not when the light of his nightmares was dying in front of him. He would never forgive himself if he ran.

Lately, his mind has being taking him back to the days he met you, as if it was some sort of punishment. He felt like the worst sinner when he thought that he wouldn't have to go through this if it wasn't because he had fallen so mad in love; with you, and with the idea of life. To him, you were like some kind of deity. Someone destined to suffer at the cost of saving others. Like that, with that cheesy line, was how he would describe your whole existence.

You two met at your first year of UA. However, as long as he was one at the top of the class, you were at the bottom. Not because you were weak, it was because you just put one foot at the UA for the first time at the second half of the second year. Not even one of your classmates knew about your existence until one day Aizawa mentioned you. That same day, a group of kids appeared in your hospital room with friendly smiles. They apologized for not visiting you until the second half of their first year at school.

Your quirk was one life-saver for a lot of people. Being called "cells of divinity", your genetic was holy for everyone but you. One day you may not be able to move your arm at all, two weeks later you may regain your arm, but lost the ability to talk, and so on. Your immune system was a mess, always going against yourself. Doctors had to keep you under intense care for 15 long years, which you all spent hospitalized. At some point around your 7th birthday, your parents stopped coming. Then you started to hear some rumours that they weren't paying for the hospital bed, and then they went missing. Before your 9th birthday, the responsibility for your safety and well being was in charge of the government.

At the cost of all the pills you had had to take, all the therapy you had gone through, there has been at least a million lifes saved. Your blood hated you, but it was made to be used by scientist to create medicines. That's why you'd spend so much time on hospitals, you had been created to be part of so many experiments.

When Todoroki heard for the first time this history, he had mixed feelings. He thought that you were nothing less than a hero, and that's why they admitted you on UA even though you couldn't fight. But at the same time, he thought that it was a really cruel destiny. He put himself on the position of being cursed by blood, something he had experienced in his own shoes, and felt like it was a big injustice to you. One night that his group of friend reunited in your hospital room, he confessed his thoughts about your life. After that, you two growth closer.

His stomach can't do anything else than to twitch in sorrow just from remembering all the nights you two had cried together, how many times he had had to hand-feed you because your arms wouldn't move on inch, how many times he had carry you on a wheelchair, just because your genetic decided that they wouldn't active your legs' nerves. How happy you looked the first time in years you had gone out of the hospital, even if it only longed three days. How happy you seemed to be the first time you took an actual exam with everyone in that UA classroom. Todoroki was completely and absolutely love-struck with the idea of you being happy and smiling, you being able to liberate yourself from the chains of your own genetic at going out of hospitals. He was utterly lost on all the comforts words you had given him throughout the years. He still couldn't say when was the exact time he had fallen so madly in love, but he was sure he couldn't stan a world without you.

Life only seemed to take him as a joke, because there you two were. He had let you sleep for more tha usual, even thought it was late on the afternoon. You were supposed to take a brief nap after being awake with him the whole night, crying and professing love words to each other. It has been like that for the past two weeks, since the day you gave him the fatal news. He almost lost conscious the moment he heard you saying that you were dying and there was no cure. He was mad at the time, mad because your quirk was supposed to save lives but it couldn't save yours. Right now, he couldn't feel anything but fear. Today was your last day. The day you told him, you had been really sick, he thought you would only dedrage from there, almost unable to talk on the last day. That way, it would have been less painful. But no, the destiny decided to give you vitality on your last times. The last week you had been more active than ever, even if you didn't go out, he had skipped work just to watch you wander around the shared apartment, singing, dancing, telling jokes, almost unaware of the fact that you were about to die. He tried his best to atone with you, but as stated previously, he can't remember the last time he had slept well.

Shouto was lost on thoughts, and it felt like an ice bucket being thrown on his face when he heard you giggling. There you were, his little angel, watching him from some centimeters apart. At the sight of your puffy eyes observing him, his heart pondered hard on his chest. He then held your hand. In your eyes, he was clearly dying of fear.

He intertwined your fingers, and his mind got him to thinking into your fragile form. How years and years of drugs on your body have made it be so tiny in comparison to his, how insecure you've felt the first time you two have had intimacy. Along with the years, Shouto stopped thinking that your quirk was one of a hero, and thought of it as a curse. You had nothing you could do to change your fate, and that was driving him crazy.

—Shouto —you called softly. In that instant, Shouto interpreted that as the worst case scenario, but then seeing you wear a smile made him let his breath out, which he doesn't know when he started containing—, you're spacing out.

—Sorry... —he mumbled, even softer than you. He then reached for your body with both hands, embracing you in a much needed hug, trying not to think about it as the last one. You answered nothing. Instead, tried to calm him down by tracing his column with your finger tips and massaging his hair softly. When you felt he had relaxed a bit, you tried to make a bit of space between both of you, you wanted to see his face. He didn't let you do so, he was too focused on carving your scent in his soul.

You sighed internally. You knew this was hard, and it probably was harder for him; but you had some things you wanted to prepare before reaching the final end. Some things for him.

It wasn't like you weren't afraid of dying. You had been, but not anymore. You had seen so many people dying, you had met so many people that has died, and you yourself knowing the nature of your quirk. At some point of your adolescence, you got to understand that death was something you should walk side by side, till the day she decided it was time to go.

What you didn't expect, was to fall in love. It wasn't in your plan to fall in love with a guy disposed to hold your hand even when you couldn't feel it. You didn't plan to be mad in love with someone who would not even change his expression one bit if you told him you couldn't move one inch and you had probably shit yourself, and instead tell you that it was nothing to be shy about and call a nurse. You didn't plan to fall in love with someone who had a radically different life from yours, but still shared the tears of your demons. It was out of the clue, but there you were, preparing your last note to your beloved one.

—Honey... —you tried calling again, in a low voice. You didn't intend to be cruel with him, but you didn't know how much time you had left. Even so, you were afraid of the numbness on your feet and the new cool feeling on your back.

Shouto tried to collect himself, as he had been trying for the past weeks, for you. He moved a bit back and looked his eyes on yours. He was at loss of words, his mind couldn't stop tormenting him with memories, instead of trying to appreciate those last times with you: —Sorry... —he then whispered.

—It's ok —you smiled, but weakly— there are still some things I want to prepare. Would you mind? —You knew you were probably being the worst girlfriend of the world, but you didn't dispose of its time to waste.

He minded. He seriously did, but he couldn't keep himself together to protest. He let you go, watching attentively how you vividly put your slippers on and walked to the loving room. After some seconds, he followed after you. Something at the back of his mind was yelling at him that he was being a bit over dramatic, but he couldn't help his heavy heart.

The living room of the apartment was linked to the kitchen, and there you were, preparing your favourite beverage; something to stimulate your mind to finish up al the letters you were writing to your friends, you would say to Shouto. In fact, you were writing just one final letter, one you planned to read to Shouto at the last moment. You were almost finished, the only thing that was missing was the confession of love, the most important part, you used to think.

Shouto sited uncomfortably on the couch, right next to one reclined chair you bought once to read books in "a perfect position" you said. He didn't even try to hide the fact that he was watching you. He didn't try to hide his distress, either. He was waiting for the worst to happen in any moment, not like he was prepared, but he didn't want to get catched by surprise.

As if his own negative feeling were calls for angels to come and take you, you sighed, exhausted. All the energy you gained on the last days was facked. You tried to make cheerful memories with Shouto, even if they would hurt him at the beginning, you confided that later he would feel nostalgic coming back to them. Your hands shacked as you stirred the liquid on the cup, your vision was getting blurry, it became difficult to breathe. All of the sudden, as if death entered crashing the window to the large apartment. Your legs felt like giving up, until they finally did. You kneeled on the floor while a rough rampage of cough invaded your throat. As if you'd even doubt it, Shouto was by your side in an instant. He carried you out of pure instincts. He had seen you before being weak on the knees, but he knew this would be the last. He laid you on the reclined chair, lowering his face near yours, taking one of your hand in his. He certainly was panicking, and for the first time, the little smile that you tried to emulate on your beauty lips didn't give him any comfort. Instead, he felt like tearing up seeing the tints of blood coming out your mouth. The disease that was killing you was one that disintegrated organs from inside, it was something new that your immune system developed specially for you.

You kept coughing, each time worst. Blood came out of your mouth, but you still tried to smile on the sake of Todoroki Shouto —It's pretty bad —you could mutter between interruptions.

—I love you —was the only thing that Shouto could process at the moment. He could feel his blood running inside him.

You finally stopped coughing, but it didn't do any better, it made you realise how fast you had loosen faculties on your body. You couldn't feel your legs anymore, and your head was spinning, unable to form any thought. You fixed your eyes on Shouto. You didn't hear what he said, not anymore between coughs. You could see the shock on his eyes, those pretty eyes. The memory of you once thinking that he may had some kind of royalty-like blood on him came to you: —I really like your eyes... —you muttered. You weren't sure what you were supposed to do anymore, nor that you could think about it in that state— But you probably don't want to hear about that right now.

Shouto let a sob out. Tears accumulated on his eyes, and he did nothing to stop them from falling: —I want to hear it. I want to hear everything about you —he protested—. Please, please, tell me, tell me your thoughts, your feels... please —he begged. The hold if his hand on yours tightened, while yours felt weaker and weaker.

You cupped his face with your free hand, tracing delicately the shape of his scar: —I really like your eyes... —you took a pause to breathe from your mouth— And your scar, you don't like it but I do —Shouto did nothing more than to put his hand above yours, crying at its coldness—. I feel cold... Ah, there was something I wanted to tell you, but I can't remember what... —you scrunched your eyebrows, trying to remember the important thing you wanted to tell him— I see you blurry, I'm sorry...

Shouto heard you, he heard every word, but he wasn't able to come up with an answer. He contained his breath when he saw strings of blood coming out your nose: —Don't be sorry, please... I love you, I always will. —he helplessly chocked out the words.

—Kiss me... —you commanded breathly. He did nothing more than to obey. He kissed you delicately and briefly, suffering at the absence of warm in almost every part of you: —Oh, I remembered... —you coughed once again, some sprinkles of blood reaching to shower Shouto's face— I love you, that was it... I'm really sorry.

Shouto cried inconsolably, the love of his life was parting apart in front of him; even if he knew that would happen, he was not prepared. He rushed to speak when the hand that was cupping his face fell unmoving: —I love you, I love you much more! —at this point, he was shouting.

Shouto let out a desperate sound when he saw your eyes slowly closing. You didn't try to fight against it, you couldn't. The fogg on your mind had disappeared, it was replaced with nothing. Your eyes fell shut, your hands didn't charge with more strength. Just like that, your lifeless body laid on that reclinable chair.

Shouto didn't try to contain his emotions. He was a mess, a complete mess. The sigh of him crying and shouting to your cadaver to come back, begging and pleading to all gods to give him you back. He let our your hand, and embraced your cold body. He kept shouting till his throat went raw, and even then he didn't stop calling for your name.

Who know how much passed, but Shoto kept crying for you. He kept himself there, holding your lifeless hand. He then started to think of the time no one talks about, the time that you have already cried your eyes out, but they're not coming back. The time that you're still sitting there right next to a body without an owner to respond. He wondered what he was supposed to do now. What would happen to him after you had been taken away physically. Who would hear him crying? Who would accompany him on the bed? Who would complain to him to eat less soba a week? Who could possibly fill the emptynes that your soul left behind?

[unu-nunu-art]

Naming the Pen

Phew, this is gonna be a long one. Get ready.

So, I made a poll yesterday about naming Template’s Pen and... I took the links down now, I’m not gonna go after these names. I had a night to sleep over it and now I believe it was wrong to have a vote about this. 

I’ll name the pen ‘Penny’ regardless of the poll’s outcome.

The thing is that, while ‘Digi’ was first place and certainly isn’t a bad name in general, I realized that it’s just not working out for Template. If one good thing came out from this poll, it is that I am now certain that its name is gonna be Penny, and I have various reasons for this.

You may not know or realize this, but both Template and Pale are not just characters I made for fun, or to design Swap versions of Error and Ink, but instead I care very, VERY much about them and almost everything in their design and their ways is constructed around core ideas and their personality. And of course nobody else could possibly assume what I would go for with them. It’s just an impossible task, so this wasn’t fair from me to make an attempt to vote on it in the first place, which I apologize for. ;w;

I don’t wanna play the “he’s my character, I do what I want” card, so instead, I will list a few reasons as to why I decided to go with my original idea and name the pen Penny instead. I want you all to understand my reasons behind this and hopefully, after a little consideration, you may find that you agree with my decision. So, here goes:

- Template wants to be just like Ink, and while I think Myebi never really said anything about the name of Ink’s brush or whether it even has one, ‘Broomy’ or ‘Brushy’ are common names used for it. So Template calling his pen ‘Penny’ follows the same fashion

- Speaking of which, ‘Penny’ is also a word for a different thing. While ‘Broomy’ is a little more straight forward, it also names Ink’s brush after a thing that it’s not. (Just an extension of the previous reason)

- I can only repeat myself: Template idolizes Ink heavily and wants to be like him. He has a pen, while Ink has a brush. Ink has nothing ‘digital’ about him, but Error does. But Template wants to avoid any comparison between him and Error, so choosing a name focusing on exactly that part of him is contradicting his goals. In other words: there is no reason for him to name his pen Digi because it would defy his personality

- Template is not as creative as you’d want to make you believe, so going with the first best answer is to be expected of him. Heck, I was debating whether he’d name his Void just ‘Art Zone’ for the lack of anything more creative and fitting and to be fair, and I couldn’t come up with something else so far myself that would be more in character, so... *shrugs*

These are a few reasons personality-wise. but hold on, there is more fun stuff!

First of all, cuteness and coolness are something entirely subjective, and while that suggested name DOES sound really cool to me (sorry :p), it would defy Template’s whole personality by putting a “404″ in his pen’s name there for the same reason as calling it ‘Digi’, which would be admitting his relation to Error.

But I’ve got good news for you: Penny IS a cool name. Why? Because it’s a girl’s name. 

Have you ever seen a movie, show, or game where the guy gives his weapon a female name? It’s a common trope, and since his pen is not only, well, a pen, but also his weapon of choice, it would make sense for him to actively go along with this trope and use a female name. He might also use female pronouns occasionally for his pen from now on to make it fit ;D

Also, here’s another good idea:

And actually, I love ths! Not as in calling the pen like this, but imagine Template occasionally writing letters to his ‘pen pal’ Penny in a kind of diary fashion. I can totally see him do that! :D

...

So... yes. That’s pretty much my reasoning. I really don’t want to talk anyone and their opinions down, so instead I tried to make you guys understand as to why I, as the creator of the character, think this name is a better fit. I’d like to think of a character as a jigsaw puzzle, and you only get a good result when all the pieces fit. And this piece of naming the pen Digi just... doesn’t.

Penny was still in second place, so I believe it’s a name that most people still find appealing and it’s not throwing everything off too much...

I appreciate all the interest and suggestions massively though, and I am horribly sorry for this mess... hence the length of this post. .w.

I’d be really grateful if you just didn’t hit the like button, but instead tell me your opinion in the comments. This whole situation worried me since it all started because I made such a silly mistake. Once again, sorry. I hope you understand. uwu;

Thank you for reading ♥

[lordsicheng]

since i loved the w1 hyung line as fathers so much,, could you do wanna one maknae line as older brothers based on their placements? thank you shani and ily~

Vyvi!!! Heyyyy

Siblings are represented by the 3rd and 4th houses, so I need the houses of the others but I’ll check their mercury, sun and moon signs and others!

Jihoon

The protective brother who is like your best friend

Takes his older brother role seriously most of the time

Makes sure he gives enough attention to his siblings especially younger ones

Chatterbrain!!! Loves having proper communication with his siblings (His Mercury sign is in Gemini, which is its home planet!) so talking to him about anything and everything makes him feel as if your bond is stronger

You can always rely to him if you need help on anything

His Scorpio moon makes him quite a private person but his Gemini placements can help, so talking to him about problems makes him feel closer to his siblings (this also depends to what house his Mercury lies in)

If ever you were scolded by your parents for example, he’d be the first to comfort you even though he’d likely scold a little bit, but you can totally count on him if you want to feel secure

Protective, super protective– wants to make sure you’re always well and not doing anything that can cause a ruckus

Others would be jealous of how he treats you tbh and would wish he was their brother because of how well he takes care of his sibling/s

He’d be the best friend type of brother, always looking out for you and always a lending ear

You both won’t probably have much to bicker about tbh, maybe some small ones but not too big ones 

Would probably be seen scrunching up his face when he finds out his younger sibling is liking/dating someone, especially if it was a girl, he’d be soooo protective

“Give me the guy’s number. Where does he live? Does he treat you well? Does he know your favorite food? Because I sure do!”

He may be protective but he definitely doesn’t want to get into fights, he’d make sure to not get you into trouble and puts your security first

Woojin

The slightly weird but playful older brother

Sometimes you’d even forget he’s even your older brother at times

Honestly he’d come off as a jokester type of brother to others but when at home, he acts all authoritarian 

“I’m your older brother so you should listen to me”

His Mercury in Sagittarius makes him the type to have unconventional ideas and random blurbs, so conversations with him would range into different levels and probably, just maybe, 85% of them are funny

His Leo moon can often be so dramatic, so during playfights or even little arguments he acts all innocent in front of your parents and pouts at you for being the “source” of the fight

“MOOOOOOOM Y/N STOLE MY PUDDING AGAIN”

“NO I DIDN’T”

“MOM SHE’S LYINGGGG”

“SHUT UP WOOJIN YOU ATE IT AT 2AM”

Would even act as the youngest in comparison to his own younger siblings just to get attention sometimes

However even if he is like that as an older brother, he is very generous and often gives his siblings anything they need

Need food? Woojin would run up to the convenience store in a jiffy

Need help with homework? Woojin got Google wrapped up in his fingers

Need money? Woojin can’t be seen around the house, unfortunately

Would tease you when you start liking someone tbh

“oOOOHHH YOU HAZ A CRUSH. I FINDZ YOUR CRUSH. What section?”

“Nevermind I found him bye”

(Sagittarius + Scorpio = great stalking abilities)

Is actually deep down protective and thoughtful, just doesn’t show it

Even though he’s loud and too playful at times, he won’t hide his vulnerable side and would be very caring and understanding of his siblings, especially younger ones

Jinyoung

The kind and trustworthy older brother who is also a savage

He’d totally be that older brother that thinks of his siblings very often

In real life he already is the oldest within his siblings so he’s definitely gonna act as the family’s “second provider”, along with his ever so reliable Taurus placements 

Very kind, loving and giving, definitely respects the needs and choices of his siblings and showers them with much love just to make them happy

Makes sure he has close bonds with his siblings as well

The type of brother who would love to take his siblings out to have fun!

“Let’s go to the amusement park, guys!”

Also he is quite the stubborn individual and if you even try arguing with him, don’t (Mercury in Taurus and Mars in Gemini = makes paragraphs of raps with savage comebacks in every sentence) 

But if he is in the wrong though, nothing wrong with correcting him– just give out proof and he’d shut it

Don’t! Touch! His! Stuff! He values anything and everything he owns, he only shares IF you have a proper reason to use them

“��WHO TOUCHED MY BAG”

“NOT ME”

“Y/N!!!!!”

Definitely the type of brother who gives his siblings lots of advice on anything and bring in proper values, like house rules etc.

Protective and possessive, might even be second to Jihoon in being the most protective of you when you end up dating in the future

“Take her back home at 9pm. Sharp.”

“Yes s-”

“I mean it.”

Daehwi

The thoughtful and sensitive older brother

The older brother everyone would love to have, tbh

He has both Sun and Neptune in his 3rd house – he definitely dreams of wanting to have siblings and nurture them with love and care, wants to be super close to them if so

He also has Capricorn in the 3rd house, might be slightly authoritarian, protective and strict to them– but for a reason as he wants to make sure they’re always well cared for

However, even though he can be quite the strict brother he always believes in individuality / originality between him and his siblings

The type to encourage you the most on having a dream, and working hard on earning that dream

Fights with him aren’t common, maybe even barely

He might even help you out once he’s old enough in providing for you

Softie of a brother!! Emotional talks with him can be apparent, you can totally talk to him about your worries and problems and he’ll be able to sympathize

Heck, you can even tell your secrets to him– he won’t speak any of it to others, despite his chatty Aquarius placements

Totally the type to think of fun activities to do with his siblings

“Hey do you guys wanna go to the arcade and get some pizza after school? My treat as always!!”

Very fun to be with!! He’s gonna be slightly savage at times, especially if you guys end up watching a really bad movie

“Wow, the ending was them breaking up in the end? What was the POINT”

“It’s an open ending movie, though”

“Well OPEN ENDINGS SUCK. Let’s watch some action.”

Sometimes, like Woojin, might even end up acting like the youngest sibling. But compared to Woojin who does it for the drama, Daehwi would literally end up being like that because of his soft personality

Also very protective, like the others, would have so many questions in his mind the moment he realizes you’re about to grow up

“So… you’re going to parties now??? Don’t go near boys/girls yet… Are you sure you’re ready?? Should I find SNS accounts of your new friends to be sure??”

Definitely the type to fight for his way to become your most favorite person ever, he’s that loyal of a brother to you

Guanlin

The older brother who values you and gives you lots of freedom

Guanlin would be the older brother who would look out for you the most out of all the maknae line

He’s protective, but he also values freedom on letting his siblings do anything they want

His Mercury and Sun in Libra call for a brother that always believes in equality within the siblings

He doesn’t like to fight nor does not like getting into fights, but if someone disrespects you in any form: call your older brother, Guanlin.

He will protect you and fight for your right at all costs

Usually doesn’t like bickering with his siblings either, but if there’s something wrong he’d definitely just talk it out with you

“Hey there’s no need for us to raise our voices, just tell me the truth and I’ll let it slip. Just don’t do it again.”

Something tells me that he’d be almost just like Jihoon as a brother where he would also want to be your best friend

He likes being alone often, but his Sagittarius moon loves adventure. So definitely he’d be the type to hang out with you often if he feels lots of stress

“Let’s get some milkshakes, Math was so bad earlier.”

Also likely the brother who cracks up and tells some jokes that are sometimes dry I’m sorry bby

Ah, yes, Dad jokes. Another one of his quirks apparently

Like I said, he values freedom– if he doesn’t feel like being with people/prefers to be alone, let him be, really, and don’t bug him all the time. He’d find it irritating

The brother who would most likely spoil you a lot, along with Jinyoung

Likes to share ideas and knowledge with you: your best study buddy! He’s definitely gonna help you out with homework too

He can look cold at times, but he is actually very sincere and sweet so if he was your older brother he’d make it a point to always be there for you

Just imagine how cutely possessive and protective he gets when he finds out you are going out with someone

“???? You just met him last month at school???? What section is he??? What year??? Has he not heard of asking permission first????”

“Guanlin, we only go and get pizza after school and go straight home”

“What if I wanted to get pizza with you too??? Do I need to ask permission from him???”

Best bet, he’d be the perfect balance of a protective and helpful older brother, the most reliable if you ask me

[kendrixtermina]

Can you please do a type comparison between ENFJ and ESFP?

That’s a broad request b/c there’s a lot to be said about both types but I’ll try my best.  #ThereWasAnAttempt

If you wanted something else  or more specific, (like one of those function-by-function comparisions) tell me so. 

Similarities: 

On the simplest level, they’re both extroverts and feelers; also, they share Ni and Se as valued functions & thus some of the traits & behaviors that come with them, though in the case of the ESFP ni is in the inferior position, so the Ni traits might be simple, blunt or sporadic in their manifestation.

Roughly speaking, both will present as a sociable, enterprising individual involved in lots of activities, very much a people person and, in the best case, full of generosity & great advice, though they might also be somewhat dramatic. 

Also, both types tend to be very much “people people” & can be very extroverted extroverts, though more ambiverted individuals also happen. (Generally it’s more likely for ESFPs to be  whereas ENFJs may deal a lot with a lot of people but also take time for contemplation. )

Pll whose valued functions include the Ni/Se Axis have  a variety of general things in common, for example:

Think in images or often feel that not everything can be expressed in words (At least by comparision)

Are motivated rather than dissuaded by environments in which there’s some competition (though as feelers they’d probably like it to be friendly/ not overly disharmonious)

Easily jump into “alert mode” but need to actively chose to enter “chill mode” ENFJs in particular can tend to overextend themselves or have a hard time slowing down & taking a moment to chill. Se doms meanwhile often have more mental energy than they know what to do with & are more likely to have a need to burn it off through activity, or feel stress from a situation where they’re contrained & have to be still.  Indeed, their idea of “fun” may involve being in an alert state. Not necessarily the stereotypical travel or extreme sports tho, just something that involves being active or at least ready to react.

more drawn to gritty & realistic than cozy & fairytale.

Memories of the past are structured as conclusions/ summaries. “This happened, that happened etc..” as opposed to the more “cause & effect” style of Si & Ne: “There was X detail, and because of that Y happened” in which comparision with the past is explicitly references in comparision. Ni sees events in time less as distinct stages that can be compared & more as a flowing process. When it’s over, it’s the process that remains not the mental pictures of the stages. (Sorry if this is diffuse I can’t exactly mind-read the nearest NJ or SP to get a more concrete idea.)

Tend to buy new clothes frequently (even modest individuals who don’t have fashion as a hobby - SJs and NPs will often wear their stuff until it falls apart & then replace it) & like clothes that catch their attention

get premonitions or “gut feelings”. Of course there’s a sliding scale here (More Ni -> more specific & sophisticated conclusions; More Se -> more details to pick up & extrapolate from & more in touch with instincts) 

On the subject of Si ENJs and ESPs are the types where it’s the least present as the opposing or PolR function (basically, shadow functions come in varying degrees of uselessness and these are the most useless)

Both may balk at the idea of bowing to established tradition & grow frustrated with repetition & may not see what’s fun or worthwhile about static, quiet or slow-paced activities. 

There’s a distinction tho - The ESFP may not be too big on quiet focussed activity, but while they might choose to disregard them & be better at tuning  out discomfort, they very much know where their physical limits are, whereas an ENFJ may be liable to leave the house in garish clashing clothes despite caring a lot about presentation, burn themselves out & have a hard time functioning with a headache. 

Besides, they are some commonalities to all ExFx types (ie, these would also apply to ENFP and ESFJ) - they are expressive, most sociable in informal contact & approach comminication as a means to react to life in the present moment & express their current feelings. 

Differences: 

While these two types share some functions, there’s also some that they don’t share. The most glaring one would be Fi, which, for the ESFP is among their very strongest right there in the ego block, but for them ENFJs is in the Opposing slot (ie, it’s basically an especially useless shadow function)

Sure, it may be easier to tell a Fi dominant from a FJ (again b/c of a very pronounced absence) but even so, for an ESFP, Fi is the primary judging function - the main thing that gets used to make decisions. For the ENFJ that’s Fe. 

So a lot of the differences boil down to Fe vs Fi especially in terms of what they sound like as conscious reasoning. Both use raw emotional reactions as “building blocks” but the structure of the processing is different: 

If you ask “Hey ENFJ, why did you do that?” or “Explain your opinion on X” You’ll hear things like a lot of general value judgements like  “This is bad, that is important, that is helpful, that is harmful” etc.  It gives a judgement on an action, wether it can be allowed or not in a given context. 

Now ask ESFP why they did the thing or what they think about that action - What you’ll likely hear is ultimately also something like a value judgement, but more… not necessarily self-referential or personalized but biographical in the sense that it exists in a larger framework of a person, society or relationship. “This is important to me!” “The person deserves this.” “ “

A Fe user will say things like: “This is a bad thing to do, they should cut it out.” “If someone has been a loyal friend, you should not treat them with suspicion.” (Type of Situation -> Appropiate thing to do) whereas the Fi user will put in more in terms of “They need to learn that this is not okay” or “In friendships, trust is important.” (Specific Context -> appropiate thing to do)

If you ask a Fe dominant  why a bad thing is bad, they might get offended: “Are you saying it’s good? Clearly it made people upset! Do you not care?” After all, why would you be discussing it if not to voice a different judgement? If they don’t get mad, they’ll refer you to Si (”It disturbed the peace and besides it’s just not done”) or Ni (”It caused bad consequences, and besides [philosophical rant]”) depending on the type of Fe dom you’re dealing with. 

Whereas the Fi position would be “So it made people upset. But why?” What’s going on in the upset people that produced the reaction & was it justified? Just like Ti can be sceptical with new info & chew it over/ look at all the info for themselves before chosing to accept it, Fi users can be “sceptics” over emotional displays: If they believe you’re faking it you’ll get no sympathy and if the character arc of a movie didn’t seem believable to them, they won’t cry. 

Sometimes, the Fi user will even tell you “why”, say, a bad thing is bad, citing an experience or a driving principle. Of course, ultimately the Fi reasoning, too, is based on an immediate emotional reaction somewhere, it just takes longer to hit the “ground rock” - and when you do, it’s rarely up for debate. When you get to that point, your Fi friend will typically try to extricate themselves from the topic, “agree to disagree”, or get mad & accuse you of immorality. 

The Fi user won’t debate because they know what their feeling is, whereas the Fe user will assume you’re debating them because it’s not about what you feel or believe in a specific context but wether a bad action can be allowed at all. 

There’s also the difference often described as “objective vs. subjective” but IMHO better described as intrinsinc vs. extrinsic if you’ve read some of Jung’s original writings. 

In extroverted functions, the motivation/focus comes from the object itself: You pay attention to something because it is there. With the introvertes functions, it comes from inside: You pay attention to something because you’re interested in it, or because it catches your attention. 

The distinction is particularly easy to see with the T functions: Ti users pay attention to things because they’re interested in them. A given TP could know everything about their hobby but nothing about what they ought to know for next week’s math test or to keep up with the next big thing in pop culture. Meanwhile, Te users pay attention to things because they’re there - but because a lot of things “are there”, they have to prioritize - In effect, they pay attention to relevant things. Cause & Effect relations with big effects: What needs to be done first, what’s most important? So they’re drawn to topics & jobs that have a huge impact.  

Two Te users, even within the same society, may have different ideas about what’s relevant, but relevancy is seen as an attribute of the object. The object is where the thought starts. Same with the N functions: A Ne user looks at a painting of a Rose & thinks: “Roses can mean purity, love or beauty.” Maybe that particular person also associates Roses with their girlfriend, has some kooky inside joke going on (”Draw a lettuce. Paint it red”) or has a theory that this painter always uses Roses to mean purity. But the thought starts with the object: The Rose, or the concept of Rose as that Ne user perceives it - they build a mental network with “Rose” at the center & other concept around it. Now, picture a Ni user who has a thing about The Evils Of Capitalism & often thinks about it. They hear a story about injustice in the world, and think, “This is exactly why capitalism is evil!” - the story becomes a new node in their mental network, they relate it to a concept instead of the other way around. The thought starts with ‘Capitalism’ and it is in the center of the mental web. 

So what does this mean for Feeling? 

Again, Fe pays attention to a feeling because it’s there: Someone you like is happy so you share in their hapiness. Someone is upset so something needs to be done about it. As for Fi, that’s where the above mentioned “feelings-scepticism” comes from: Wether they’ll pay attention to it or not is something they have to decide based on wether it’s a justified reaction.

There’s tons of post calling one function the empathetic one & the other fake or selfish but the truth is that - For a Fe user, empathy is “I see you emoting & have an appropiate kind of reaction to your sadness” whereas for a Fi user it is “I mentally reconstruct your sad reaction in my head.” That’s also why Fi users are so big on being “understood”. If you’re reacting to the wrong thing/ idea of what they’re experiencing, you’re not doing “emphathy” at all.  

Meanwhile to a FJ, someone emoting merits a reaction, be it support or condemnation - they give most reactions in their vincinity weight to the point that they can end up calling the “correctness” of their own inner feelings into doubt if everyone around them reacts differently; Also there’s the risk of unwarranted reactions.  - meanwhile a FP is technically limited by their skill at “reconstructing” because they use their own experience repertoire. But it’s not about being fixated upon themselves,  it’s kinda like a math professor who only lets you use theorems once you can prove them yourself or having to learn a language before you can read it. The end result can still be sorta bratty because wether they can “reconstruct” something essentially dictates wether they’ll notice it or accept it as real. 

It’s kind of like two different alghoriths for the same problem in which one’s faster but the other uses less space, or a tradeof between false positive & false negative rate - in the best case, both Fi and Fe result in the person doing the right thing & getting along with whover they wish to socialize with. 

But when they go wrong they produce different “artifacts”. 

Hence why an immature FP can be short-sighted and an immature FJ can be meddlesome, but both can be really nice people given some maturity and healthy self-awareness.

Beyond the feeling function itself there’s also it’s grouping/blocking, the perceiving function that it cooperates with. In the ENFJ’s case, Fe “works” in tandem with intuition, for the ESFP, it works with sensing. 

One consequence is that the ENFJ is gonna conceptualize those value judgements - like, they will actually explicitly frame their thoughts as ‘deliberations on ethics’ in an everyday situation & look for opportunities to generalize & find patterns. Meanwhile, with a xSFx the value judgements are more implicit & tied to observations and opportunities for taking action. 

NF: “Usually I can somewhat tell what people are feeling, but not with this person. Maybe he’s all closed off because he feels uneasy in this place? I wonder what I can do to help in situations like this… ” 

SF: “This guy seems kind of aloof. He’s standing in that corner all by himself and I didn’t see him talking to any other people -  is he’s okay? I wonder if I should talk to him.” 

Other Considerations (Enneagram Corellations): 

Enneagram wise, ENFJs are usually somewhere in the heart center with 2 being the most common but 3 and 4 also being fairly frequent (4s are usually 4w3 and there is the odd 1w2 but, it’s roughly that same neighborhood) and it’s those heart center ENFJs that the common perceptions are based on. 

7w6/ 6w7 ENFJs are more uncommon, but when they do happen they’re quite distinct & more likely to be mistaken for xNFPs than anything else.  Goethe (the German poet) is a famous example of a 7 ENFJ. They’re often people who are learned & contemplative to but also very passionate, vibrant and  gifted for evoking feeling in others & the Ni may come out as idealism. 

They embody more the  “expressive, dramatic, fervent, emotional roller-coaster” side of Fe, whereas with the heart-center folks you’ll see more of the “social facade, ethical judgemets, people.pleasing, influential“ sides of it. The 2/3/4s will still be dramatic & the 7s will still have strong opinions about ethics & society but there’s a difference in emphasis. 

By contrast, 7 is the most common enneagram type for ESFPs and a lot of the common stereotypes (either carefree & fun-loving or showy and materialistic) are based on 7s. Though they can carry hidden sorrow or anxiety, 7s tend to be  energetic, upbeat optimists. 

A cheerful “extrovert classic” 7 is probably ESFP rather than ENFJ unless something about them screams “intuitive!” & even the ENFP is more likely.

ESFPs who are not 7s  are sometimes a lot more serious, edgy & dramatic, much like other high Fi users and/or their fellow beta quadra types (ISFPs, INTJs and ENTJs) and can even be a tad competitive & territorial. (like ESTPs but driven by passion instead of cunning - these folks may perhaps not fit the stereotypes of P types but they’ll nonetheless act from internal motivations. Their competitiveness will be focussed on mastery of specific activities, social status and “winning” as well as their passion for the activity & its personal meaning for them rather than objective external goals. (also, these folks are often the most sensor-y sensors around, usually practical, hardy, perceptive, action-oriented & mostly concerned with day-to-day concerns - The only way you could mistake one of these for an intuitive if you’re an intuitive, who is also a teenager, and the ESFP in question is the main character of your favorite book.)

ESFPs are the Fi type most likely to be 2s, but that’s more likely to manifest as them simply being, at best, nice & generous & big on wanting to be loved and at worst kinda dramatic & bitchy/demanding than an outright martyr, hero- or superiority complex simply because developing one requires conceptualizing & generalization - Say, we have two immature type 2s, one of either mbti type.  Betty the bitchy ESFP 2 may not realize she’s contributing to her breakups or that they’re a pattern, instead focussing on what jerks the individual partners were (black & white judgements not uncommon immature or conceited Fi users), whereas Nancy the nasty ENFJ 2 (or 4 for that matter) will be well aware of the pattern but interpret it as “No one realizes how I only do what’s best for them/ that I’m right and they’re wrong” (Seeing one’s conclusion/extrapolation as the only possible truth or outcome, not uncommon of conceited or immature Ni users)

Then, hopefully, both develop some self-awareness & become mature adults or something.