#sometimes certain things don't have anything to do with debunking or pushing an agenda

[orihimekurosaki]

My mistake, just saw your earlier post saying that it apparently does not confirm that the poem is about Zangetsu. If thats true, then yeah this fan is spreading false info -- gross.

Regardless if it is true or not, I do think its still about Zangetsu only because.... Ichi was depressed about his powers being gone and then was seemingly back to normal as soon as they returned. Seemed like the central focus to the Arc, so it naturally made sense to me. Though it doesnt matter because as you said, IH is cannon lol

Hi! I saw the video, it's using three poems from three solo Ichigo covers (19, 25, 49) so to me it looks they just picked Ichigo material to promote his blade replica-I honestly don't think this was meant to be a confirmation of the poem being about Zangetsu, especially since the poem from volume 19 is obviously about how Rukia changed his world (we even have chapter 164 titled "the one who changed the world" and Kubo using Orihime to tell us why Ichigo is going to such lengths to save Rukia) and again I get why some people lean towards Zangetsu because an argument can be made for his character, but I really do think the poem from volume 49 is supposed to be for his bond with Rukia. As for the manga content you mentioned, Ichigo wasn't only depressed about his powers being gone, he missed nakama that resided there-he tries to act unbothered when Keigo mentions Rukia/her absence, we see him dream of Byakuya, Renji, and Rukia, and we see how he how smiles when he sees the Shinigami return later in the arc--I never agreed with people centering his depression wholly on Rukia (who does get singled out not because of romance, but because she's his closest nakama from SS) or his powers because it's both, he missed his friends and he missed powers which Kubo conveyed well enough but the fanbase was too entrenched in ship wars back then to appreciate it. In the past, you had people trying to make everything about Ichigo/Rukia in the shipping sense and now you have people trying to squash any sort of content written for their bond.

[dearweirdme]

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Wait but what is the difference between this conversation and Taekook’s ITS talk? Y’all have been the ones always talking about how Jikook is a ship pushed by the company and how the travel show was for fanservice and how the ITS talk was obviously scripted because why would the members choose to talk about feeling distant on camera? So I ask what is the difference? Why would the company that pushes Jikook and hides taekook air moments of Jikook talkinh about not calling each other? If jikookers choose to say Jikook were just pretending you would judge them even though all of you refused to acknowledge the ITS talk and called it scripted. If Jikookers choose to call this talk scripted too? Because some of y’all couldn’t accept that the ITS talk was real because Taekook were still very physically affectionate for two people who felt awkward but here we have Jimin and Jk openly admitting that they didn’t keep in touch with each other but we still see them caring for each other, cuddling and smacking asses like no man’s business. If anything, this just proves that the ITS talk was never scripted as y’all would like to believe. one of the things that makes BTS so loved is how relatable they are. They have never only tried to show us just the good image. They don’t mind if we know that they have good and bad times. They don’t mind if we know that sometimes they get distanced or are not in the best place. Also I hope that from now, y’all will stop calling Jikook fanservice because it is clear that anything they do, they do because they want to and not because they are forced or mandated to by contracts. They also clearly don’t have an agenda to feed shippers or let people think they are in a romantic relationship because if they did, they wouldn’t say certain things on camera. Bighit also isn’t hiding taekook because if they were they wouldn’t air Jk’s call to Tae only to clearly cut out the conversation Tae had with Jimin (we could clearly see Jk taking the phone back from Jimin but the conversation between Vmin was cut. I wonder if that is because BH is hiding Vmin too)

Jikook is not real. Taekook is not real. They are all just friends who go through the ebb and flows of life. Taekook went through a distant moment and in recent years we see that they have worked on that. Jikook also clearly did and we have to wait for the future to see how things would evolve with them.

In one of your posts you said Jikookers focus on the big moments and ignore the little things but that is not something only jikookers do. Taekookers do it too. As a matter of fact, I am sure that in the vminkook episode next week, Tae and Jk might alod say things which debunk the idea of them being a couple but y’all will ignore it too and focus on any other sweet moments we get. Y’all have literally been ignoring the things they’ve been saying for the longest time and finding ways to explain them away. Like now you are coming back at jikookers by talking about jikook talking about drinks as if Taekook literally didn’t say the same thing on ITS. Jk said he had once invited Tae out to drinks but Tae didn’t go. They also spoke about not seeing each other at all during a month - 6 week long break. They talked about how they started feeling some distance and awkwardness after they started spending time apart but these are things you all ignored and you try to come up with timelines to disprove their words. So tell me, how different are you from jikookers because you are scrambling just as much as jikookers are right now.

Hi anon!

Bahaha, I bet Jkkrs are gonna like you comparing the Jkk talk to the ITS talk 😂.

So, I've seen this in my inbox a few times now.. mostly in rude asks.. I don't particularly like your tone, but I still wanted to talk about this. I'm fully aware you will not agree or see my point of view. I highly suspect that even though you might not be a Jkkr you have you strong own bias talking here.

I'm just gonna go rogue here. Jkk and Tkk are not the same. Jkkrs and Tkkrs are not the same. Our ideas about relationships and life and queerness and the music industry are different.

Jkkr's basically believe in the 'private not secret' idea. They think BH supports them and that Jm and Jk are able to be romantic and engage in sexual behvior on screen. That is because Jm and Jk had little to no limitations to how they were able to interact. They are pushed forward both as singers and as a friendship duo, and their ship is being pushed by the company. There are no mysteries, everything is clear. It's an unrealistic way of thinking about a queer couple in the biggest band from a homophobic country. I don't care if you think Jkkrs and Tkkrs are alike.. Jkkrs are actually insane for beliveing what they do about South Korea and the music industry and how they would deal with a queer couple. They are insane for thinking a queer couple from BTS would enlist together. I can forgive them for not being able to see through the differences between skinship and romance and friendship, but I cannot excuse them for being absolute idiots about how the world works.

Jkkrs (and you apparently) love the idea of the company allowing BTS members to be honest. That is such bs though. Idols have images to uphold. They will have actual clauses in their contracts that prohibit them from saying and doing things that will damage their image. This is true for most artists, if you think kpop artists (or BTS in particular) are exempt from those clause, you are naive. Kpop is known for their harsh contracts. We have seen how BH treated the members. They are not their friends. I think these days things are better. I think BTS is of such standard now that they have earned some freedom, but they are still under contract. BTS members are as honest as they can be with us, but they themselves have said that there are limits to what they can share.. and I absolutely think those limits firmly entail their relationships and sexualities.

While there are some Tkkrs who think Tae and Jk are 'private not secret', I think most would agree that they are a closeted couple. We have seen signs of them being in love, which made us believe they are in a closeted relationship. Everyone who knows about queer artists who have formerly been closeted, knows that it comes with lies. It isn't pretty, it's sad.. and it's hurtfull. But if you believe in the possibility of there being queer idols (and seriously, you'd be a fool not to believe that), you have to believe that some idols are at the moment closeted. I simply believe, that in order for Tae and Jk to stay closeted, measures were taken. The ITS talk having been one of them.

It isn't a case of looking at the ITS talk as an isolated event and thinking, that's fake. But in context, it just makes no sense. What makes sense though, is how the ITS talk is a continuation of how there has consitently been a push to have Tae and Jk look distant. I'm not going to go into a full discussion on the ITS talk, you can search my tags for that.. I have done so quite enough times.

So how are we different from Jkkrs? Our use of proof, context and understanding of bonds between members, our understanding of the music industry, our understanding of relationships, our understanding of friendships... and we're probably funnier too 😜