#something similar is happening with frozen and encanto

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The Black girls remember. 

Do you remember when people claimed that Tangled was ignored by Disney?

*Tangled has a short, an ongoing series and a future live-action movie*

The PatF fandom remembers.

[thisstableground]

Hi, I'm curious about something and you're like the one person I know who knows both characters so what would a meeting between Usnavi and Bruno be like? Just wondering

(this is broadway usnavi btw, i haven’t seen the movie)

okay! so, i actually think that bruno and usnavi have way more in common than you’d think just from a quck glance.

usnavi is clearly deeply loved by his community, whereas bruno is shunned by his, but (at least before usnavi’s character arc in the show) both of them feel on the outside of things. it’s probably not a coincidence that usnavi’s the only one breaking the fourth wall in ITH. he’s really no more the main character than, say, nina, but he is the one who chats with the audience directly, and i think that reflects the fact that he feels, like the audience, that he’s watching everyone else’s lives rather than participating himself. the world spins around while i'm frozen to my seat. and isn’t that so similar to bruno, sitting isolated in his room, watching visions of everyone else’s lives but never getting out himself, or putting on his rat plays in his space behind the wall? they both view themselves more in the role of narrator or observer, not a character with their own arc.

it’s obviously got a different vibe. i don’t think usnavi realises quite to what extent he’s loved by the people around him (he seems absolutely baffled by sonny and vanessa being upset about him leaving) but he definitely does not feel unloved. i think bruno also doesn’t realise how loved he is, but in his case he also has very good reasons to feel unloved, and is much less welcomed by the wider community (though perhaps when he was younger, this was different). and i definitely get the impression that usnavi’s relationship with his parents was an affectionate one, not a fraught one like bruno’s.

but there is that sense, for both of them, of having lost the thread of their individual identity under all the pressure of legacy and lost parents and their role and duty to their community. and both of them are stuck. they're living a life that isn't where they want it to be, there are things they want and relationships they crave but they can't move out of the place they're trapped in. there is also the sense that some part of is their own subconscious doing.

i always interpret usnavi’s as a result of anxiety that largely comes from losing his parents, a past that he can't change but wishes he could: what if he makes a wrong choice and something else bad happens, what if he loses someone else or loses his memory of his parents? better keep things exactly the same, to be safe. and bruno's as a result of seeing futures that he can't change but wishes he could, and what if he is cursed? what if he is the reason things go wrong? better knock on wood, hold your breath, spin in a circle, to be safe. when your life throws you a pain that you can't control, you create a routine that you can control, even if it eventually takes over and controls you.

usnavi's goal for a long time is to go back to the dominican republic, apparently, but until abuela claudia wins the lotto it really doesn’t look like he’s got any intention of taking steps towards that. and bruno is very similar - doesn’t actually manage to run away, because he’s too connected to his home and his family, but he doesn’t know how to change things so he just hides, stays the same, watches everything else grow and change without him. i’d bet that usnavi and bruno have had similar thoughts so many times of like “oh i’ll ask vanessa out, i'll sell the store, i'll move to DR. one day. probably. not yet.” and “i’ll talk to my sisters, i'll leave the encanto properly, i'll go outside. at some point. probably. not yet.”

and part of that pressure is external circumstances, but part of it is self-imposed, as a defense mechanism. if you lose yourself in your work or your duty to that extent, if you hide behind the things that are honest about it, then you always have an excuse to tell yourself for the rest. someone does always need coffee or a vision or a stable job or to be protected, that's true, so you can pretend that you're putting that big plan off because you're just too busy with all that other stuff, not because you're scared to do it. stay in the store. stay behind the walls. part of it is kindness, or duty, or practicality, yes. part of it is fear.

oh and speaking of abuelas! (though, again with a very different vibe depending who we're talking abut) i think both of them are very led by their love and respect for the respective maternal figures in their lives, but that this clouds their own desires/goals. claudia says to her own mama, "i spent my life inheriting dreams from you", and i think that without meaning to, the same happens with her and usnavi about moving to the dominican republic. as soon as it was him making the choice alone, he realised that it wasn’t what he wanted. i think there’s always some part of him that does want that a little, i doubt claudia picked that up from nothing, but it’s possible that she read usnavi's vague ideas of going to DR more strongly through her own experience of missing where her family came from, the part of her that regrets not going back to cuba, and didn’t recognise that the indecision probably meant part of usnavi felt it wasn't right for him.

and that’s so similar for alma, though it's much more harsh and hurtful in this instance: she parents her children and grandchildren based on her own history and regret and fear and wishes. she wants a safe place to hide, she wants outsiders not to find them or cause them harm: bruno lives up to that and then some when he goes into the walls. and he convinces himself it's the best choice for himself and for the family, but it isn’t. they probably don’t even realise that it’s something he learned from her example.

neither claudia nor alma mean any harm by this, they try their best, and they sacrifice for it: alma locks away her own grief and her trauma to build a whole community from the ground. claudia could use her lotto money to go back to la vibora after days into weeks into years away from home, but it’s puerto plata that they’re getting a plane ticket for, usnavi's island, not hers. they’re both misguided, their own pasts biasing their perception, but they do love their kids.

anyway!! you asked what it'd be like if they met, not for a list of things they have in common or for an extensive meta about abuelas. tough shit i guess you got that too.

so. i think that usnavi may see the similarities between himself and bruno, but he doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who dislikes people who he can see his own flaws/insecurities in. if anything it just makes him reach out to them more. i think he would want to help. he’s been scared and lonely and saddled with too much responsibility from too young an age and felt like he lost everything before, too, but he’s doing so much better now, and he'd want to extend that hope to anyone else who is struggling similarly. and what bruno needs more than anything is to be shown kindness and acceptance, both things that usnavi can very easily give. i also think usnavi has absolutely no concept of people being weird, he’s extroverted and makes friends easily but he’s not exactly Mr Social Cues himself. bruno could say the most absolute batshit thing you’ve ever heard and usnavi would just be like “lmao yeah i get u :)))"

bruno, on the other hand, probably would struggle to like someone who he felt was too much like himself, but i don’t think he’d see usnavi that way. someone who has struggles, fears, insecurities that bruno does relate to, but who unlike bruno is also bubbly and bouncy and chatty, and who is trying so, so hard all the time to be positive (even when it would be healthier to let themselves feel angry, or sad, or hurt, even when it's blatantly obvious that they are feeling those things), someone who helps other people when they're in the middle of their own crisis and who thinks of themselves as just a totally unremarkable, ordinary, nothing-special person because they don’t see the way that everyone gravitates towards their warmth and kindness. he’s not going to see himself in usnavi. he’s going to see mirabel.

they’d get along great.

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I've been a shipcest fan for ages, but for some reason I wasn't expecting Encanto to get me (should've remembered what happened with Frozen lol). Then, Bruno made the "she's his aunt but she has amnesia" joke, and I went *Disney WHAT*, but the whole scene with the vision ritual, where Mirabel is just so kind to him (even though she's kind of overwhelming about it), and she's not afraid he's going to make something bad happen, and then afterwards when she's like "when I save the miracle, I'm bringing you back home", that's when I was like *oh no, oh no they got me again*.

When you think about it, it makes sense that she wouldn't be afraid of him, because along with the whole "we don't talk about Bruno (except they do, to say how bad he was)", there was an unspoken "we don't talk about Mirabel (except to tell her when she's done something wrong or disappointed us)", and so the two of them were already in a really similar spot before she found him. I think Julieta and Augustin tried to counteract it specifically so she wouldn't end up like Bruno, but there's only so much they can do when the whole town thinks she's a disappointment, you know? Anyway.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one out there who ships them, because I honestly didn't expect anyone else to see it. Finding the other madrigalcest shippers was like opening up that painting on the wall. Fandom weirdos gotta stick together!

Anon! ANON!!! Yes! You are describing my experience of watching Encanto almost one-to-one.

Regarding your second paragraph: you are so right about the parallels between Mirabel and Bruno, especially with how they are viewed by the family.

Somewhat related, I've been listening to "We Don't Talk About Bruno" a lot this week, and something that has occurred to me is the inherent taboo tension of Mirabel realizing she is in Bruno’s vision during the song. Throughout the song, nearly everyone is singing about how terrible it was when Bruno was around and that he is a taboo topic for a reason. The dread in Mirabel’s eyes and voice when she realizes that she is connected to the Bruno taboo by this vision has been stuck in my mind for a few days. I’m having a hard time explaining this, but in that moment, Mirabel became inextricably connected to the family’s Bruno taboo, and it just makes my shipcest heart very happy. Like we could have so easily had an evil!Mirabel and evil!Bruno arch based on that song’s energy alone. Instead, they paralleled each other by being misunderstood.

The point is, I agree with you and also “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” established a very interesting connection and dynamic between Mirabel and Bruno.

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wait so is having lgbt headcanons for encanto characters bad?? i'm asking in all seriousness btw i've seen multiple ppl say this today and i'm just like wondering if they're saying having any lgbt hcs for them is bad or if overdoing it is bad or ?? like i personally don't see how headcanons take away from the message of the movie but i'm white as shit so maybe i'm seeing things thru rose tinted glasses? i don't want to disrespect the writers and creators of the film by going off about how Isabela is a lesbian like i don't want to hurt anyone

What? No, of course not. You're not hurting anyone by saying Isa is a lesbian. What those posts are referring to is that you shouldn't pretend the movie is about something when it really isn't.

This really means to think about "Applicability vs Metaphor". For example: Isabela story in the movie is APPLICABLE to a lesbian coming out story, because it has many of the same elements,but is not a straight up metaphor because that would mean the writers INTENDED it for it to be one. The Metaphor of Isabela's powers is about how her grandmother's unhealthy coping mechanisms have had a terrible effect on her.

Same happens with Frozen for example, it's a story about stranged sisterhood that just happens to be applicable for how gay people feel trapped in a certain role..see what I'm getting at?

It's not bad to make headcanons in a vacuum, but it's a different conversation when you try to take away from POC to do so.

There was a similar discussion around the time the first Spider-Verse came out around how white people felt the need to pretend the Story of a Puerto Rican kid finding identity was secretly about bisexuality. As long as you're not one of those white fans that feel the need to take something made for a certain ethnic/racial minority and mold it past the point is unrecognizable just to have your fun, you'll be fine.

[ericmicael]

A production similar to "Tangled: The Series" being announced on the anniversary of the franchise in place of "Frozen 3" 🤔

Honestly, I always found this possibility impossible and I still do. Is it the best decision to address topics I wanted to be covered after "Frozen 2" like the Northuldra tribe? Undoubtedly. Although I have my doubts as to whether they would address Elsa's romantic life as this theme is technically a tradition from the books and continues to be with "Polar Nights" which was a slap in the face to anyone who used the phrase "she is an independent woman and doesn't need romance" as an argument for the Snow Queen not having romance.

But the theory of the series' existence always seemed to me just a dream. "Elsa coming out as a lesbian is a more realistic dream?", not much, but it's simpler to do and as every nod to LGBT content in "Frozen" has a part of the fandom that simply pretends it doesn't exist or puts it as a footnote. I wouldn't be surprised if they assumed her as a couple with Honeymaren, and that part of fandom just pretended it didn't happen. There is already a group that does this with the ending of "Frozen 2".

But anyway, leaving the LGBT moment aside, one of the main reasons I consider against it is "Team Frozen" itself (the voice actors of the main 4), I really can't imagine them all coming together to dub something on the level of "Tangled: The Series", I imagine a new "Lego Special" or even another series similar to the ones Olaf had, but something big like that? Difficult, even though Idina says she will play Elsa even in "Frozen 5".

To be quite honest this kind of project I think is too good to happen one day and that's what makes me most skeptical about it.

Another detail that I currently don't know if I can continue to consider it is that I've always seen the franchise as something special, which despite having products released every year made the big moments unique and something like a series would somehow take that special context. After all "Frozen" is literally a brand of its own. But perhaps this context is not so present anymore, some say that "Encanto" has taken the place of "Frozen" and he will probably have a series first.

Between these two alternatives:

. Frozen 3

. A relevant series after F2

I think more likely an announcement of "Frozen 3" concluding the trilogy. But I would jump for joy if there was an announcement for a relevant series, but I would roll my eyes in frustration if this series was like the released products related to Olaf.