#so it involves things that arent 100% great like depictions of her 'beauty' tending to fall in line

[foulserpent]

Hi! I saw ur tags on that healing post. what would you change about the priestesses of dibella? I always love your worldbuilding!

ok so given dibella is worshipped in many different cultures (and given that realistically there would be massive variation Within this) this has to be a huge generalization so my headcanons here are mostly for dibella worship within the nine divines religion/imperial cult (since thats the context for most of the lore on her worship) rather than All Worship Of Dibella Everywhere

main thing is.. its not Super well defined to begin with, and the sex aspects are kind of a 'hey gamer man target audience! we will describe the goddess's worship as a thing where theres TONS of sexy women who fuck and know secret erotic techniques!! no men allowed tee hee!! (i sure hope no men intrude to our hot sex chambers tee hee!!!!)' forbidden fruit sorta thing rather than being like. particularly well thought out. it also seems to be playing heavily on (possibly entirely false) concepts of 'sacred [sex work]' in aphrodite worship in ancient greece that is fairly often made into this kinda fetishized thing in media.

and i think a lot of fans try to 'fix' all this by just like downplaying the sex aspects entirely which i dont think is necessary

heres my headcanons

-her place within the nine divines pantheon is pretty nebulous, but the core facets of her worship center around beauty and pleasure. music and dance, natural beauty, and sex specifically tend to be focuses.

-music is CENTRAL to her worship. song and dance is the primary way she is prayed to. her worship spaces are almost always filled with music (bards can make a living of of playing in dibella's temples)

-sex is very significant both as part of her sphere and as a facet of rituals, but its not a 'you go to her temple and there are sexy big BOOB ladieys who want to fuck YOU' sort of thing. you are generally expected to find a sexual partner for yourself. certain cults of dibella are more sex focused, but access to these groups tend to require initiation and devotion.

-sexual instruction is a facet of certain forms of worship, mainly irt stuff like positions deemed favorable for ritual magic, or aphrodisiacs or shit like that

-i would want to develop the relation of sex work to dibellan practices, (based on similar historic gods related to sex work) but its something that literally there would be absolutely no chance of it EVER being handled well lol. but she likely has some associations with sex work in imperial society, (which if its anything like its irl historical precedents is a normalized facet of society, tho with class connotations)

-the love/affection aspects attributed to her tend to be considered more abstract and non-interpersonal love- a lover as a concept, not as a practice and not with the struggles reality entails. less abstract forms of love are considered more the territory of mara, though there is some variation or merging of the two, context depending (as in like. gods in polytheistic religions dont always have Well Defined Mutually Exclusive Spheres, especially not in the context of a state religion of a continent-spanning empire)

-class plays a huge part into how dibella is worshipped. worship among the imperial upper classes/nobility tends to have a decidedly more pleasure-focused tilt (as they have more leisure time than the lower classes) and frequent indulgence of feasting, drinking expensive art, etc is involved. worship among common folk tends to center around immaterial aspects (particularly music and dance) aside from dedicated festivals and feast days in her honor.

-dibella shares a place with zenithar as sometimes being seen as the 'rich mens gods', given the poor in the imperial hegemony dont tend to reap their claimed blessings as often.

-her depiction in the imperial cult leans towards androgyny, though with significant variation. she tends to be cast as a woman specifically in colovia due to heavy nordic cultural influence (where in the nordic pantheon she is squarely a woman).

-her face is usually depicted as obscured, (at least partially due to disagreements on how she should be shown) but she is inevitably depicted in line with the dominant beauty norms of the place and time (which even within the imperial cult will obviously vary tremendously from region to region)

-'dibellan' is a common term in imperial culture for transgender individuals, relating to dibella's varying gender in tales. this term isnt quite analogous to 'trans' irl and is more of a catch-all term for people existing outside of conventional gender norms, (thus sometimes used to refer to gay men/lesbians as well). this is most common in imperial dominant culture in cyrodiil, as other regions and cultures have their own terms, and different norms and definitions.

[fataziraphale]

Yooo I asked feederkurogane abt any shows, movies or books that involve feedism or chubby characters that arent in it solely for fat jokes but they didn't know of any and told me to ask you !! It's ok if you don't know any I'm just rly desperate for good content lmao. I've read Hoppe Ni Himawari and it was rly cute but then disappointing when he lost all the weight in the end :// but anyway i was just wondering?? thank you aha!

Hello!!! Nice to meet you! I always love talking to other feedists omfg. I’m so glad you came to me to ask this question! I’m also so, so, so sorry because… I can’t do brevity. At all.

First of all thank you for that warning about Hoppe Ni Himawari because I was pumped to read it but if he loses all the weight like… not sure I want to haha

Anyway, there is VERY little media out there that explicitly involves feedism, unfortunately, and what is out there tends to be either have a vibe of “feedists are evil” or “feedists so weird haha im fascinated by these freaks.” Like Homestuck has an explicitly feeder character, but he’s also a villain, a huge misogynist, and his interest in feedism is the butt of a joke, re: “wow this guy is weird.”

But!!! There’s a movie called City Island that actually handles feedism in a somewhat sensitive way! It’s about a family who all keep secrets from each other, and the son’s secret is that he’s a feeder. It’s not the greatest movie in the world, but like ? there’s a canon feedee and a canon feeder in it? amazing???

My favorite example of fat representation/feedist representation is the reason for my URL. In the vide game Super Danganronpa 2, there’s a fat character who explicitly says he gained all of his weight on purpose, adores food, and is as close to a canon feedee as I’ve seen in most media. Some other characters occasionally make fun of his weight, but he’s a really well-rounded (pun not intended) character that has a super interesting backstory/story arc that has nothing to do with his size, especially in the follow-up anime Danganronpa 3. I love him so much because I feel like there’s sometimes a dichotomy these days where fat characters either get depicted as “lmao fat slob look how much he eats that’s all there is to him” or “this character is fat but they don’t care about food at all!!!! look, they’re a good fatty!!!!!” And ideally what I want are fat characters who are allowed to love food and also have a rich other life, because, dammit, there is nothing wrong with loving food. Twogami is a wonderful, perfect character and I recommend him so highly. The only problem is that to understand SDR2 you really do have to play the original Danganronpa game, so even though I really do recommend that game too, it’s… a big time commitment lmao.

As for things that have more… feedist subtext? I don’t know if you’ve seen Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, but it’s difficult for me to imagine a reading of Jacob and Queenie that wasn’t feedist. There’s literally like one fat joke about Jacob in the whole movie, and he’s just a wonderful chaarcter in general. Also, Steven Universe, of course, has wonderful body diversity. On the topic of Cartoon Network shows, We Bare Bears is about… bears lmao but they’re very round and love food so much? It’s just such a fun, food-positive show? It makes me so happy. also, Bob’s Burgers has a ton of fat characters and is usually very food-positive. Most of the main characters are at least a little chubby, but even though I would never say it’s an overall fatphobic show, they do make a fair amount of fat jokes, so be warned.

sorry for this long as shit as list, but idk if you’ve seen any of the movies in the Cornetto Trilogy? but The World’s End is my favorite movie, and one of the two main characters is played by Nick Frost, who is…. such a beautiful, large man. He loves food and it comes up a fair amount, but his real storyline is something entirely different and he’s such a good character. also, for something completely different, the TV show Fargo (not the movie) stars a fat woman in season 1 and a fat man in season 2, and their weight is barely ever brought up? It’s last on this list because Fargo isn’t very feedist, but it’s a very well-done crime thriller show with some great chubby characters.

also, idk if you’ve seen Hairspray, but that’s sort of a fat positivity classic (although I prefer the musical to the movie). Nikki Blonsky from that movie starred in a show called Huge about a fat camp, which I would recommend watching if all you want is media with fat characters, because it like… blew my mind every single episode that there was a whole cast of fat actors, and they were all characters who were interesting and taken seriously, and the show wasn’t trying to make fat jokes but instead humanize fat people and show that we need to be treated with respect. The ending was SUPER disappointing though, like basically it demonizes the one body positive character and makes her end up unhappy and alone, and pushes this stupid idea that all fat people are fat bc they stress eat to deal with their shitty lives. It’s very much a “fat people are worthy of respect if they’re good fatties and trying to lose the weight” narrative bUT I put it here bc it’s just amazing to watch a show with a mostly fat cast (and im gonna be 100% honest it’s like……. such eye candy oh my god? like do normal people have this experience when they watch hollywood shows where everyone is hot? everyone is so hot in this show?????).

I want to recommend you some books, but I… don’t read I’m literally the worst writer ever. Taft 2012 is a fucking hilarious book about US president Taft just appearing in the president in the most random-ass way and it’s feedist as shit but there are a ton of fat jokes. Tbh most feedist books I know are really fatphobic….. The book/musical Matilda has a child who eats a whole cake and is a hero for it???? Good times.

I feel like there are def other books I know with fat characters but I cannot think of them at the moment and anyway you probably already died while reading this list bc it’s so long so… enjoy, friend. Run free and find feedist media, and tell me if you find anything good.