#so any jews who are connected to jewish culture & community will therefore automatically be connected to....yeah. israel.

[suchbeloved]

leftists genuinely need to start confronting the fact that if they’re unwilling to associate with anyone who has “connections” to israel or israelis then they’re never going to know a single jew

[female-malice]

Thank you for responding to my question - I suppose I thought you were Jewish, my mistake.

I appreciate your response. I'm not sure I agree with supersession permeating the secular gen z political consciousness as you described, antisemitism being a cultural "default" - where expressed by secular gen z/millenials it seems more an antisemitism founded on a conspiracy logic, detached from religion and a collection of stereotypes. I don't know much about the supersession project admittedly.

On my initial question, though, you still upheld that Jewish people = Israel. The logic of Jewish people not being responsible for gentiles' antisemitism, I agree with. But to clarify, I was asking about if Israel as a state is inciting that hatred, not Jewish people. The Israeli state's specific policy and military choices, with the assumption that the Israeli state is distinct from Jewish people, and therefore Jewish people shouldn't be automatically held accountable for Israel's actions unless they actively support it.

But I see lots of Jewish people arguing there is no distinction between Israel as a state and Judaism, and I see this as tying Jewish people to the fate and actions of Israel. I don't see how this is a good idea because of Israel's actions and global condemnation on humanitarian grounds. I see it as inciting antisemitism on humanitarian grounds in new demographics who are being told Israel=Jewish people. I worry for anti- or non-Zionist Jews who are being called to account for the actions of Israel.

Knowing now you aren't Jewish, I suppose you won't be able to comment on this from the Jewish persective, but I would like your opinion anyway. I'm wondering why Jewish people support the conflation of Jewish people with Israel, and why there isn't more pushback on this. For example, when other "peoples" are held accountable for their state's actions we call it racism, ex. Chinese people facing racial aggression for China's handling of Covid. The distinction between a state and a people is reaffirmed in other contexts. Israel and many Jewish people seem to reject that distinction completely, and I'm wondering about their perspective behind that stance. Are there just too few non- or anti-Zionist Jews? From a personal perspective, this distinction is important to me because I can't support many things Israel does but have no hatred towards Jewish people and am completely secular, so not supersessionist.

You need to actually research supersession or you will never understand any of this.

If your family puts up Christmas decorations, then you're a secular person from a Christian culture. This means that you don't understand anything about supersession but you are a participant in it. This is the case for the majority of Gen Z. The whole point of supersession is for the average person to know nothing about it. You're not supposed to know why the religion exists. You're just supposed to open your Christmas presents.

What if you told Han Chinese people that all their history and culture is the foundation of a new proselytizing religion. And you told them that their history and culture isn't about them anymore. It's now about your new religion. Their mytho-historical heroes are now your religious heroes. Their ancient connection to land is now your ancient connection to their land. Your new religion doesn't include them unless they convert. And if they convert, they'd no longer be Han. Another religious group sees you doing this and gets inspired and does the same thing. Now there are two religious groups claiming the mytho-history of the Han. This conflict you've created is the basis of all cultural and political interactions with Han Chinese people for 2000 years. And after 2000 years, half the world follows the two superseding religions. And there's only a small community of Han left alive to claim their history, culture, and land as their own. That's what supersession is.

This could not have happened to the Han because they had gunpowder and automatic crossbows. Today, 1 in 5 human beings on planet Earth are Han Chinese. They are the largest ethnic group in the world.

A Chinese person from Hong Kong or Taiwan or America is probably critical of the CCP. But that's just politics. What do you imagine Chinese people would say if you said about China what Gen Z says about Israel?

"We should stop equating the country of China with the Chinese people. China as a sovereign state is a genocidal construct and a failed project. It has done more harm than good to Chinese people so it shouldn't exist. The Chinese people do not need a homeland. They'd be able to live safely in diaspora as long as the state of China becomes obsolete."

You will not find one Chinese person who will ever agree with that statement. And if you make a Tiktok saying this, they'll ban your IP address.

There are many Chinese people who think the CCP is redeemable and it's only Xi Jinping who is concerning. There are many Chinese people who think the PRC is redeemable and it's only the CCP causing problems. There are many Chinese people who don't recognize the PRC and believe the ROC is the real Chinese sovereign state. There are many different Chinese political opinions. But no Chinese person on Earth would support abolishing Chinese sovereignty in the Chinese homeland.

I don't support everything that goes on inside the PRC. But I agree with the historical fact that they won the civil war. I agree with the fact that they are the sovereign state that represents the Chinese homeland. The idea of dissolving the PRC would never cross my mind.

But of course, the ROC does not recognize the PRC and vice versa. The civil war never officially ended despite the PRC's clear victory. So, someone could insert themselves into this geopolitical limbo to argue in favor of dissolving the PRC. I personally think that's a terrible idea. Those are the type of arguments that would incite a new round of warfare between the PRC and ROC. So, even though these two governments have different opinions about who the land belongs to, the rest of us should not weigh in. Instead, we should sit at home and say "two state solution." The PRC and ROC are not doing a two state solution any time soon. But let's just say the words "two state solution" instead of inciting WWIII in Asia.

Most Gen Z opinions I see online are arguments in favor of inciting WWIII in the Middle East. You can't say "ceasefire" one moment and "dissolve Israel" the next and then call yourself a peace activist.

It's wild that Israel/Palestine has the same geopolitical weight as PRC/ROC. But that's the world we live in. 1 in 5 human beings are Chinese and have a deep personal opinion about the Chinese homeland. And 1 in 2 human beings are Christian or Muslim and have a deep personal opinion about the Jewish homeland. Even the secular college students putting up Christmas decorations have a deep personal opinion about the Jewish homeland. That's what 2000 years of supersession, conquest, and proselytizing will do. After 2000 years, the obsession with Israel is not a religious thing anymore. It's become the secular status quo in Christian majority and Muslim majority societies.