#siegfried of denelse

[thirstyforred]

List of all Flaming Rose and Fallen Knights members

i did my homework and read both polish and english wikis, maybe someone else will also find it useful 😅

Jacques de Aldersberg - babygirl

Siegfried of Denesle (likely de Löwe) - son of Eyck, noble, nice kid, knows nothing, rumored to be JdA's bastard

Roderick de Wett - nilf, noble, possibly a son of prince Joachim, was with Adda, knows JdA is a mage and about Salamandra, the best of tournament knights??, responsible for Adda turning into striga

Ulrich - leader of Fallen Knights, tries to avenge JdA, dies in '72

Arthur Tailles of Dorndal - from the short story, White Rose, is in Toussaint in '75, dies during vamp fuck Friday

Eric Vogel - White Rose (very likely), author of The Flower and the Flame (book in tw1), may have died fighting Lionhead Spider cultists in Vizima (letter tw1)

Evariste of Metinna - First Secretary of Order in '75 (letter baw)

Patrick de Weyze - alive post tw1, second-best tournament knight, brother of Blueeye, got scrofula (letter baw), can die if Geralt sides with vamps

Polycarp of Rinde - tw2 Loc Muinne, master at arms, 'half-brother' whatever that means

Adalbert - alive post tw1, PR guy (letter baw)

Count Tybalt - alive post tw1, tw2 in keadweni camp, avenges Siegy (if he died in tw1)

Anselm - Fallen Knight, died after fail of a deal with Cutups

Peter Nayhaer / Peter z Niesłuchowa - Fallen Knight, fisstech addict, Ulrich sent him to die in Deadwight Woods

Robbe - Fallen Knight armorer, was decrypting ofieri diagrams, tried to start a rebellion against Ulrich

Thunder - Fallen Knight, addict, Ulrich threatened him to get his shit together or he will end up like Peter Nayhaer, was writing poems under influence

Tuur - previously librarian assistant, joined Fallen Knights in '72, also worked on ofieri diagrams, Robbe tried to convince him to join the rebellion, was in Fett de'Amin's squad

Lieutenant von Herst - likely quartermaster of Flaming Rose, quartermaster of Fallen Knights, addict, in polish version his first name starts with L

Ernst Goltz - Fallen Knight, leader of the squad in castle Zutzer, Lowie was in his squad

Antoine Pfeil - Fallen Knight, sent to elven ruins Kilkerinn, might have gone behind Ulrich's back with antique seller Zajcew

Eric von Kidon - Fallen Knight, leader of the death squad sent to Moryń to kill nilf spy Kristen Hagen

Fette de'Amin - Fallen Knight, tasked with figuring out a way to get formic acid, Tuur was in his squad

Lowie - Fallen Knight, knew few languages, was preparing to become a priest in the past, worked on ofieri diagrams, Robbe wanted him to join the rebellion, was in Ernst Goltz's squad

Affiliates

White Rayla - turned into goth by Salamandra

Adalbert - temerian ? crossbowman, dies after telling JdA the state of fights in Vizima

Thomas - was in Deadwight Woods with Peter Nayhaer

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VIDEO GAME CANON

this part of the directory will be where blogs primarily focused on CD Projekt Red’s interpretation/build on of the series will go. categories and subcategories will be added as more muses appear.

DANDELION / JASKIER

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ELDAIN

@gynvaell​ - single muse, moderate formatting, icons

ESKEL

@wanderingwolfwitcher​ - single muse, no formatting, icons

GERALT

@etgramen​- single muse, moderate formatting, icons

@zagubionywilk​ - single muse, moderate formatting, icons

@twicexbladed​​ - single muse, light formatting, icons

@bialyrzeznik​ - single muse, light formatting, icons

OC’S

@platkisloneczne​ - single muse, moderate formatting, icons

@kinguponthesea​ - multimuse, no formatting, iconless

@onemusemanyfandoms​ - multimuse, light formatting, icons

ORIANNA

@phauxania​ - single muse, light formatting, icons

PHILIPPA EILHART

@martyrsaiint​​ - single muse, light formatting, icons

QUEEN OF THE NIGHT

@insahts​ - multimuse, moderate formatting, iconless

SAESENTHESSIS / SASKIA

@ofvergen​​ - single muse, light formatting, icons

SIEGFRIED OF DENELSE

@flaminggildedrose​ - multimuse, no formatting, icons

TRISS MERRIGOLD

@fandomvariety​ - multimuse, no formatting, iconless

VES

@insahts​ - multimuse, moderate formatting, iconless

VESEMIR

@stoiretale�� - multimuse, some formatting, icons

YENNEFER

@lilacshe​ - multimuse, moderate formatting, icons

[thirstyforred]

I'm gonna just talk about Salamandra, because honestly we kinda have the most lore about them from TW1, and all other Syndicate stuff is either in TW3 or in Slama's self-insert ff, there are also some bits and pieces in the reward trees

Anyway, Salamandra wasn't exactly a Novigrad gang, tho it's probable that the idea of it was conceived in that city, but they operated in Vizima, the capital of Temeria. They're mostly just a cartel making fisstech and distributing it in Temeria, can find the quote but likely also selling it to Novigrad gangs. Brothers Gellert and Roland Bleinheims were responsible for collecting materials from forests around Vizima and developing the drug in sewers.

But that drug dealing was kinda only a front for alchemists and mages running human experiments, that were kinda exactly what was doing Alzur when he tried to create witchers that 200 years before. That part of the operation was run by Professor and Azar Javed, with some other renegade mages like Savolla. They attacked Kear Mohren and had stolen mutagens that definitely sped up their experimentations and led to the creation of many fucked up mutants. Also, again just like Alzur and his ilk, they made some construct insectoids, like Savolla's Frightener and Koshchey. Rayla, who died fighting for the Order of Flaming Rose, and Salamandra was able to easily get her body, is their best creation I would say? Hard to say what exactly they did to her, but they made her the witcher lite goth version.

But Salamandra was doing all of this because of their actual leader, who was so top secret that only Azar Javed and Professor actually knew they're working for someone else. And that guy was Jacques de Aldersberg. Also known as that other Elder Blood kid Geralt adopted, Alvin.

To simplify, JdA's whole deal was that he knew that the White Frost is coming, and figured out that the best shot at survival humanity has is all be mutated like witchers. Because witchers are just superior versions of humans. So he created this drug cartel, that's actually a front for renegade mages, but he also was the Grandmaster of the Order of Flaming Rose.

This Oder originally wasn't a part of the Church of Eternal Fire structures, it was regular knightly order, but JdA just made it be and also moved the core of the organization from Novigrad to Vizima. There knights of the Order were basically those noble monster hunters, like Siegfried of Denelse. Also, JdA managed to get pretty comfy on Foltest's court, and for example, make Roderick de Wett king's advisor. Few knights, like Roderick, were aware of their Salamandra ties and JdA's long term plans, namely, to make Adda believe both Order and Salamandra is going to support her as the queen of Temeria - so then they would simply take over the kingdom. And mutate people on a bigger scale I guess.

After Geralt revealed that whole plot and killed JdA, Salamandra was basically destroyed, and, idk in how many endings is it canon, but Siegfried became the new Grandmaster. But by TW3 most of the Order split into fractions, some of the likely returned to Novigrad and joined Mage Hunters, some with Siegfried de Löwe [maaaybe it's just Siegfried of Denelse] holed up in a castle in Brunwich somewhere in Redania, and some became the Fallen Knights under Ulrich. The Fallen Knights are basically what was left of knights who doubled as Salamandra agents - they tried to recreate the formula and get back on Novigrad's streets with their fisstech.

i am not, by any stretch of the imagination, good enough to play Syndicate, but god I fucking love the Syndicate deck. tell me more about Novigrad’s hideous underbelly of Salamandra mages, ghost merchant ships, the mutant gladiator pits, whatever the fuck happened to turn Rayla into a fucking revenant??, backalley alchemists, Gudrun Björnsdóttir & her former pirates who use boarding hooks to scale buildings, the sewers— also the sheer number of cards that aren’t even characters just crimes, ugh it’s so great

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hello, some flaming rose incorrect quotes

Ulrich to Siegfried: What is toothpaste, if not bone soap?

Roderick: Existence is a prison and being the same rank as you two is maximum security.

***

Siegfried: What are all these dead bodies doing here?!

Jacques: Honestly, not much.

***

Roderick: Yesterday I overheard Siegfried saying “Are you sure this is a good idea?” and Ulrich replying “Trust me.” and I have never moved from one room to another so fast in my goddamn life.

***

Ulrich: How long does your ideal hug last?

Siegfried: 38-45 minutes.

Ulrich: That seems... impractical.

Siegfried: You said ideal, not realistic.

***

Siegfried: I’m friendly, I’m loyal, I’m energetic…

Siegfried: I just described a dog, didn’t I?

Ulrich: Well yeah, but people love dogs.

***

Ulrich: I’m just saying, when I die in mysterious and unexplained circumstances I want you all to make sure that everybody knows it.

Ulrich: Instead of saying how I was “a friend to everyone” and that I “lit up a room” when I entered it, I want people to shake their heads while muttering that I “asked too many questions for my own good” and talk about how they “warned me that I was getting in way over my head” and that I “always had a knack for finding trouble” wherever I went. If you don’t make me a local urban legend you’ve failed me.

Siegfried: I’m sorry, “when you die in mysterious and unexplained circumstances”?

***

Roderick: There is no better duo than my crippling fear of abandonment and my anxiety.

Nathaniel: There’s you and me.

Roderick, doubtful but tearing up: Yeah, okay

***

Roderick: Honestly, I’m a little scared of Siegfried and Ulrich.

Jacques: They wouldn’t hurt a fly.

Roderick: That’s reassuring.

Jacques: They’d kill a man though.

***

Siegfried: *hugs Jacques, inhaling deeply*

Siegfried: You smell like a father figure

Jacques, a bit weirded out: Please stop

***

Jacques: My assistance will be an act of beneviolence.

Eternal Fire priests: …Don’t you mean benevolence?

Jacques: No.

***

Siegfried: Okay, two person huddle.

Ulrich: You can’t huddle with two people. That’s just a hug.

Siegfried: Then hug?

Ulrich: Sure.

***

Siegfried, learning how to prank people: *puts salt in coffee and gives it to Ulrich*

Ulrich: *drinks it all*

Siegfried: …Didn’t the coffee taste weird?

Ulrich: Yeah, but I didn’t want to hurt your feelings so I drank it all.

Siegfried, tearing up: Okay.

***

Ulrich: I gave Roderick a “get better soon” card

Siegfried: Aww, that’s really sweet of you

Ulrich: He wasn’t sick or anything. I just thought that he should do better

***

Roderick: This is a crazy idea. Insane. Stupid. It doesn’t make any sense.

Jacques: …so you’ll do it?

Roderick: For you? Of course.

***

Ulrich: Jacques just banned overly specific nicknames. I guess we can all thank Rat Snitch Roderick The Good Time Ruiner for that.

***

Ulrich: If Siegfried and I were drowning, who would you save?

Roderick: You morons can’t even swim?

Siegfried: It’s just a hypothetical question. Who would you save?

Roderick: My time and effort

***

Ulrich: Right before I die, I'm going to swallow a handful of popcorn kernels just to make the cremation more interesting

Siegfried: Please, Ulrich, it's three in the morning-

***

Jacques: I left instructions for everyone while I'm gone

Roderick: Mine just says, "Roderick, no"

Jacques: I want you to apply it to every. Possible. Situation.

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Siegfried: Listen, last night for my leisure activity I vaped- I vaped marijuana oil.

Ulrich: Oh my…

Siegfried: I'm just a druggy now.

Ulrich: Yeah, just a drug addict.

Siegfried: I vaped marijuana oil

Ulrich: Okay

Siegfried: You plug the vape into the wall. It charges.

Ulrich: *snorting with laughter* I know, I know a guy who knows about that…

Siegfried: And you can vape indoors! There's no real smoke.

Ulrich: No. It's vapor.

Siegfried: It's crazy.

Ulrich: *barely contained laughter*

Siegfried: So then I watched Pokemon…

Ulrich: You watched the Pokemon?

Siegfried: Watched Pokemon the tv show and ate white chocolate-covered pretzels.

Ulrich: Boy, you are living out loud…

Siegfried: And I said: am I off the rails? Am I too fun?

Ulrich: *dying laughing*

Siegfried: Is my time too well spent?

Ulrich: Is this decadent? It was decadent.

[thirstyforred]

Flaming memes, now with Albrecht

Albrecht, over Xenovox: Turn around :)

Albrecht: No, the other way

Albrecht: Wrong way again

Roderick: Where are you?!

Albrecht: At home, but the idea of you turning aimlessly in circles amuses me

***

Ulrich, slowing down the horse: What seems to be the problem, sir?

Roderick: That's my horse!

***

Ulrich: Yeah, no offense to Lebioda or anything but if I was about to embark on a journey of revenge I would simply not dig two graves.

Siegfried: I think I wouldn't mind to be laid in the same grave as my enemy's if it had to come to that.

Roderick: Fire! Getting laid in your enemy's grave? That's some freak shit, but honestly I kinda dig it.

Albrecht: Well, yeah, you dig it, that's how you make a grave.

***

Jacques: I’d walk through fire for my adjutants.

Jacques: Well not FIRE, because it’s dangerous. But a super humid room.

Jacques: But not too humid, because of my hair.

***

Ulrich, after hitting a guy in the face with a book: Jacques told me that education is important and sometimes it's difficult. I can see he's correct.

***

Roderick: Let’s all have a drink to celebrate!

Siegfried: I’m underage.

Albrecht: Oh right. Here, have a silly straw.

[thirstyforred]

character opinion bingo for siegfried? 👀👀👀

he's just so son-shaped you know? like if i had the mental and emotional capacity to adopt 19yo, he would be my son. he's just such a good guy who wants to do good, it's not his fallout he ended up in half racist cult half crime syndicate type of medieval startup, he just needs a better dad figure, I could fix him even tho there's not that much to fix. i could fix his hairstyle

it's a crime we didn't get to see him older, now disillusioned and bitter in tw3, that would be such a good storyline, I swear, cdpr let me redo your own games 😭

[thirstyforred]

*fade in. Roderick, Siegfried, and Ulrich during a party at Vegelbud's residence - they're all already drunk, standing on the grounds of the estate*

Ulrich: So this is the garden?

Roderick: No, no, no... Where I say "garden" I mean actual garden in the back of the house-

Siegfried: Greenhouse.

Roderick: Yeah, with greenhouse and stuff.

Siegfried: The bit that's actually actively gardened.

Ulrich: I-

Roderick: The bit that's the garden, not the grounds.

Ulrich: How? How are you supposed to know the difference?..

Siegfried, humorously teasing him: It's like as if you don't even have a manor house, Ulrich...

Roderick, a rich boy: Yeah!

Ulrich: Yeah! How are you supposed to know the difference between the garden and the grounds?

Roderick: Oh my god, Ulrich...

Siegfried: Well, when you tell your gardener to go do your gardening which part of your grounds do you tell him to go to?

Roderick: How much of a pumpkin do you sound like right now Ulrich?

Ulrich: I don't- I expect them to do all of it! *he points at bushes and says in a mockery of aristocratic accent* These bushes are out of control!

Siegfried: No, no, these are sort of like left, to, you know, go back to nature as sort of-

Ulrich, pointing at groundkeepers: ALSO. My point is, what are all those other gardeners doing outside of the garden then?

Roderick: They're tending the grounds! Honestly, Ulrich, you would-

Siegfried: They're groundkeepers.

Roderick: You wouldn't know a garden if you fell in its ornamental- ornamental... Ugh! What's the word... Made from stone, ugly, has water...

Siegfried: Fountain.

Roderick: Yeah! That one!

Ulrich: Look, I... I grew up in the Bits I don't know what any of this is...

Siegfried, pointing at nearby hedge: Now there's a proper hedge...

Ulrich, doubtfully: Right. Yeah.

Siegfried, as they all walk along the hedge and eventually end up in the garden: Now there's a gardened hedge!

Roderick: Yeah, look at this garden! This is clearly a garden and...

*fade out*

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Siegfried: Ok Rod, what's your ideal weather day?

Roderick: I'm just 75°F and sunny kind of gal.

Ulrich: ...

Ulrich: I will say you're 75, but your disposition is not sunny.

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siegfried: what's a sound that you love?

roderick: i love telling people 'no'

siegfried: what's the sound that you hate?

roderick: your voice...

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Roderick: I love yoga so much, because I realised that it's the only time in the day when i can be totally serious

Siegfried: Really?

Roderick: I'm very serious...

Siegfried: Ok.

Roderick: ... and i love that.

Siegfried: So you think that at other times you're whimsical and fun?

Ulrich: *dying from laughter*

Siegfried: Where do you keep this other persona?

[thirstyforred]

i feel like the best way to describe Ulrich and Siegfried of Denelse friendship is that it's like that show UNHhhh

but instead of drag queens it's just two boys in their early 20s wearing full plate armor with the Flaming Rose insignia, and one of them will tell some crazy and hilarious story, and the other goes "thanks the Eternal Fire I'm the normal one" and then proceed to tell even more outlandish and fucked up story

and next to them is sitting Roderick, saying "I refuse to believe only one of you ever did crack"

[thirstyforred]

Father's Lies 10

[ao3]

Sometimes there're things that Siegfried can't that easily explain to himself. How close Roderick leans into the space of other men. Ulrich's bloodshot eyes and erratic excitement. Things like that… Ones that if he ever asked about would be simply answered. And he could stop thinking about that once and for all. His mind finally peaceful.

Well. No. Not really.

He knows why and what, each and every time, but it's better to ignore these things. That's what Siegfried thinks. Everything, anything, to not be forced to realize that the Order is anything different from what he believes in. To not consider his loyalties and devotions.

Just like Jacques. Not a deceiver but someone who bends the words and meanings to their will, to make them easier to swallow. For the Cause - a spoonful of tar in the barrel of honey.

That sounds somewhat better. With that Siegfried can live.

[thirstyforred]

Hiii friend, for the WIP asks can I ask about Father's Lies & Others? <3

hiii

i have a few things in this file, Father's Lies is a drabble series about how some of the Flaming Rose knights perceive their leader de Aldersberg. At this moment all drabbles are published, but if at some point I write more, I'm gonna just post them. Back in April I read and watched the entirety of Golden Kamuy and it did not leave me normal xD

Father's Lies sort of reflects the situation of soldiers from the 7th division in the manga, where they trust their leader, and almost see in him this fatherly figure, and in some cases, they're at peace with the fact that this trust will be abused because this man is focused on goals that actually do not involve them. So basically loads of daddy issues, maybe with some gay undertones 😅

Others is not a drabble but sorta an expansion of this whole situation, focusing just on Siegfried of Denelse and Ulrich (later the leader of Fallen Knights). Idk yet how shippy I want it to be, but Ulrich is tasked with 'corrupting' Siegfried so we will see where it will take me 😈

"Do it slowly." That were the Grandmaster's instructions. Spoken in the confidence of his office, away from the prying eyes and ears. However, not in complete secrecy, the summoning came loud for everyone to hear, so they knew that Ulrich was granted a private audience. All part of the plan. Easy to see, once one knew enough of the other parts. Edges of the puzzle coming together. "Make it so each and every one of his doubts is turned into righteous certainty. Siegfried is a smart youth…" Meaning he can be lied to, but only once. That one has to really make him believe in something, to the point that lies are no longer necessary.

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Siegfried of Denelse: So what's your relationship with the Grandmaster?

Roderick de Wett: I'm Jacques de Aldersberg's right-hand arm. Man. I'm Jacques' everything. I’m his confidant, his best friend... His silly rabbit-

Ulrich: That's what he calls you?

Roderick: No 😌

[thirstyforred]

i know that my witcher games canon is like absolutely fucked up, mainly because I simply replaced geralt with my oc, Nam 😔 but just recently it hit me how hilarious it actually is

bc to side step the whole triss vs shanni i have instead nam befriending mary Luisa la valette and leaving alvin with her and her kids, who are similar age

which means that Jacques actually remembers that Mary Luisa was his guardian for a while and even as an adult man he would feel a lot of respect towards her (and maybe a tiny bit of fear bc Mary seems to be that kind of loving but hellishly stern mother figure), so ofc he would always be very polite and chivalrous

which leads to at least one talk from foltest about how, while technically there not married, baroness la valette is very much taken and if the grand master plans to keep at his pitiful attempts at wooing her, then better if he reconsidered

so Jacques, as much as he can, checks out of the court life and makes roderick de Wett take his place as the royal advisor from the order, which turned out to be kinda good decision (even tho Roderick got involved with Adda which is just as bad idea as it sounds)

on top of all that is siegfried of Denelse and i really really love the idea that he's cousins with both Aryan la valette and radovid of redanian (mostly bc it let's RV Stern take petty revenge for all the shit the two of them put him through in childhood just bc he was the youngest)

and of course Siegfried is so feed up with his actual father that when people ask him about these rumors that he's JdA bastard, he just does that thing where he talks about how awesome grand master is, but never actually denies it. bc fuck eyck of Denelse right. and like Jacques might try, but the louder he says that he never fucked siegfried's mom just more ppl hear about this. and it's not like you can ask the only person that will know for sure bc the woman is long dead