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Liebeskind 2005 (f/d) (submission)

Hey Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here. Didn’t see LIebeskind on your master list, so thought I would mention it in case you want to post on blog and add to lists.

The terrific German actor, Anna Fischer, plays 17-year old Alma Schone, who decides to confront her 40-something, physician father who had left her and her mother when Alma was twelve. Now back in town from being a traveling physician all over the world, Dr. Fred Schone agrees to see his daughter in his office. The meeting starts out tense but ends warmly with the two deciding to continue to see each other.

Father and daughter begin spending time together, catching up on the last five years. And in the process, both realize a growing attraction to each other. Anna begins to discreetly flirt and tease her father, and although he seems reluctant to respond, he also doesn’t stop it. In almost every scene, the flirting and teasing grows, with father and daughter playing a bit of a cat-n-mouse game.

Fred invites his daughter over to his place, and Alma makes her move. She kisses her father, but his reaction is not that which she had hoped. Tension builds between father and daughter through the rest of the film, particularly when Anna’s mother tells her that her father is a player. And that tension between father and daughter finally comes to a head when Anna finds herself back at her father’s place – just the two of them again – and this time, he admits his feelings but also tells her that he is leaving to go abroad once more. Where do the father and daughter go from here?

I couldn’t help feel like this 2005 movie was perhaps a semi-autobiographical account of the director’s life. Wikipedia indicates that the film was the director’s final project in film school, so it makes you wonder if the film is near and dear to her? The film has a very intimate and personal feel to it and I felt like I was a third-wheel sitting with father and daughter, observing all of their intimate moments. The acting is top-notch, and the viewer can feel the emotions cursing through, both, father and daughter. Both actors are Masters at expressing their thoughts and feelings with simple expressions.

I felt like the subtitled dialogue on the version I watched (a long time ago) was a bit choppy and discombobulated. Maybe some of the tender moments got lost in translation. But overall, I was very glad to have found and watched this film. The cestship is evident from the beginning and only gets stronger throughout the film. I don’t see it streaming on any major services at the moment but I’m certain I watched it online at some point so if one looks hard enough, they can find it.

My final thought on the film is this: In a separate post I made a while back, I stated that when men want to make a movie about cestship, they make porn. When women want to make a movie about a cestship, it’s often a deeply emotional film that is densely layered but often satisfying. This is one such film and I applaud the Director, Jeanette Wagner, for pushing boundaries and creating a fine film in the process.

Here are some GIFs from the film with my comments for clarity. Apologies for the ‘edit’ button but I had to combine some GIFs into one to reduce how many I had. I’m going GIF crazy! LOL! Ofc, I always leave it to you and your call as to how you want to post these? How many to submit or if to submit at all? I’m just trying to add to your collection and help support your blog! :) As always, if you rather not post something, I’m okay with that!

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Actors in multiple roles with cestship themes (submission)

Hey, Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here. No big submission just a comment/thought.  I recently watched a movie with a cestship subplot in which the main character has shown up in other movies with cestship themes.

It got me wondering how many actors I could think of that I’ve seen show up repeatedly in multiple roles or movies that contain cestships. Here’s the ones I could think of…

Bente Borsum - House on the Rocks (1974) m-s; Mors Hus (His Mother’s House - 1974) m-s. 

Bente was a smokin hot MILF in her day, and she made both of these movies in the same year in which she plays a mom (or stepmom) in a sexual cestship with her adult son.

Joan Severance - Wiseguy (1987-1990) b-s; In Dark Places (2000) b-s.

Joan was a staple on what us Oldies used to call late-night “Skinamax” flicks (bad softporn movies). Wiseguy was a popular television show in the 80s, and she was in a consensual cestship with her cousin or brother (can’t remember). In In Dark Places, she plays the main character’s half sister who shows back up in his life and seduces him. What’s sad about this film is that I cannot for the life of me find the version of the film that includes the sex scene between them. Every version I’ve found, the scene is badly edited out. Boo!

Eva Green - Womb (m-s); The Dreamers (b-s); Camelot (b-s); Penny Dreadful (b-s)

My girl, Eva. What can I say?  She kicked things off with the cestshippey Dreamers and continued in Womb, Camelot and Penny Dreadful. I’m convinced she gets off on incest. And I love her for it. LOL

Julianne Moore - Map to the Stars (not central); Savage Grace (m-s)

Julianne has also picked some rather “interesting” indie films in which she raises cestship eyebrows.  Map to the Stars has a cestship subplot but it doesn’t involve her. Still…she had to choose that film after reading the script. And she starred in a movie called Chloe where she gets it on with a young woman half her age and there are big-time m/d ship vibes from it.

Connie Nielsen - Devil’s Advocate (b-s); Gladiator (b-s); All Relative (m-sil)

Connie, Connie, Connie - I first fell in love with her when she was Satan’s daughter trying to seduce her brother. She gets better with age so I’d love to see her in a m-s role. In All Relative, she seduces her future son in law, so she’s on her way!

Dominique Swain - Lolita 1997 (f/d); Blood Craft 2019 (s/s)

Dominique played the coquettish Lolita in Showtime’s production of the great Nabokov novel. She killed it.  She then showed up in Blood Craft two decades later as the mother of 2 young adult sisters in a cestship.

Alberta Watson - Spanking the Monkey (1994), Sweet Angel Mine (1996), The Sweet Hereafter (not central) (1997)I’m going to be submitting a GIF post on Sweet Angel Mine but yeah… Alberta.  She has to be the Queen of Cestship. She was even quoted as saying the incest role in Spanking the Monkey was her favorite film role and the incest didn’t bother her at all. May she RIP.  I like to believe she may have continued with cestship roles if she was still alive.

I’d love to hear of others.

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Grand Jete (2022 - m/s) (submission)

Hey Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here. Thank you for posting The Surgeon.

I see Grand Jete on the m/s canon list but didn’t see any additional info. I know an anon just very recently mentioned it, and I can tell you it stands up there as my top m/s cestship movie. I don’t remember where I watched and purchased it, sorry. Looks to only be available (legally) on Youtube, now.

Grand Jete is a 2022 German film in German language, but it does exist with decently translated English subtitles. From best I can surmise, the film centers around Nadja, a professional ballet artist seemingly in her mids-30 to early 40s. Nadja is world-renowned and lives with her boyfriend in Berlin. She has decided to finally pay a visit to her mother after not seeing her since Nadja left home as a teen for her career. Nadja’s hometown where her mother lives and Nadja grew up is a small town outside of the big city.

It also seems that Nadja got unexpectedly pregnant as a young woman (teen?) and had given birth to a son, Mario. But she left him in the care of his grandmother – her mom – in order for her to continue to pursue a career in ballet. Twenty-some years later, and Nadja is back, visiting and meets her 20-something son for the first time. There is an instant attraction.

Nadja begins spending more and more time at her mother’s house in the small town. Mother and son begin spending more time together, and Mario takes his mom out to hang with him at raves and performance theater – the latter being an x-rated one in which Mario is starring and mom has a front row seat!

Eventually, mother and son come together with Nadja unable to resist her hunky son and making the first movie. This opens the floodgates and the pair move into a very sexual cestship. I imagine, for Nadja, it’s like meeting a handsome stranger since she does not really know her son at all. Still… the knowledge is there for both of them that they are biologically related, and yet, they seem to move forward with no guilt or remorse.

The two begin behaving like boyfriend and girlfriend much to grandma’s displeasure. But their love for each other is too strong, so Nadja kicks her boyfriend out of their flat in Berlin, and her son moves in with her. Alone and untethered from suspicious eyes, mother and son move into an unbridled sexual relationship that even has hints of sub/dom in one scene (at his instructions, mom eats food scraps out of her son’s hand like a dog).

Mother and son seem very happy together, especially Nadja. As we near the end of the film, we see her throwing up constantly, and the viewer initially suspects she’s regressed to her history of bulimia (established earlier). But we soon learn that she is pregnant. The film ends with Nadja nursing her newborn, and Mario shopping for juice boxes. Awww.

The International Cinephile Society’s review of this film summarized it as “a hypnotic deconstruction of the human psyche”. And I have to agree. We slowly watch Nadja and her son go from strangers to mother and son before watching them then morph into lovers, husband and wife and ultimately… a mother and father to their newborn. All of it done seemingly without even the slightest hint of concern or remorse on either mother or son’s part. And for this shipper, I found that refreshing!

Whether this ending can be considered a happy ending is probably wholly dependent on how one views cestships, inbreeding, etc. But I found it refreshing to see that 1) grandma came around, 2) boyfriend left, 3) no one died, 4) no one underage was abused, 5) no one was coerced, 6) mother and son decide to proceed forth and (seemingly) live as husband and wife, as well as, new parents.

I really liked Director Isabelle Stever’s commentary on her movie. IMDB quotes her as saying, “I wanted to shoot the sex scenes in such a way that they are not erotic, but sensual. The novel says they explore each other. The first scene in the bathroom is almost like an investigation. I wanted a visuality that would show them coming together and at the same time rolling off each other, a coming together in a poetic space. A mother asking her son to do homework while jerking him off has a strong irony. I wanted to show this scene in such a way that this irony is not in the foreground.”

Me, personally, I would give this film a positive incest award. But your followers should try to find the film, watch it and judge for themselves. Here are a few GIFs from the film.

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Wow, I had no idea things ended in such a way, with them still together, with a child. Really remarkable. WOW. Thank you so much for the detailed description and for the gifs!!!! What a treat.

Gonna put the not safe for work images below the cut. I’m hoping they won’t get flagged. I think they’re OK?

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The Good Sisters 2009 (s/s-cheesy "witch" horor) (submission)

Hey Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here. Didn’t see The Good Sisters on your list so thought I’d make a submission. This one’s short and sweet cuz…not a lot of substance. LOL.

TL;DR: A 2009 low-budget horror about a pair of very close sisters. They practice witchcraft, and it doesn’t bode well with their neighbors. So the sisters take matters into their own hands. Canon…ish.

MORE INFO: This is definitely a guilty pleasure type of quasi-canon incest film. It’s B-budget horror, maybe worse… maybe like HS-project worse. LOL. It stars Debbie Rochon who’s quite prolific in indie horror. She playes the older sister, Breanne. But other than the two main characters, the movie overall just feels… cheesy.

Like I said, this is a guilty pleasure, especially for shippers with a s/s kink. The best scene is near the end where a seance/ritual spirals out of control into a sexfest between the sisters. Did the entity they were conjuring bring on the lust? The sister are very close, and Breanne comes across as more of a mother figure to Kendra. This strong emotional connection IMHO makes it easy to believe they could easily cross the line into sexual intimacy. The sisters have no one but each other, so the ritual at the end where they “help each other out” is totally plausible to me. Yes, I try to find emotional cestshipping in even the cheesiest of movies! LOL

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Hey Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here.

Didn't see Mad Cowgirl on your master list, so thought I would mention it in case you'd like to add it to the blog and lists.

A 2006 “horror romance” about a young, 20-something woman, Therese, who slowly loses her mind to Mad Cow disease.

She is close to her (older?) brother, Thierry, and they often have “date night” seeing how neither can find anyone that understands them better than each other. On one particular date night, Therese asks her brother not to leave after he helps her to bed (queue Barry White. lol)

Because we, the viewer, know she is losing her mind, we don't know if the shipcest is real or in Therese's head?

I liked how the film established their relationship and bond. They both grew up working in the meat industry. And in one scene early in the film, they're at work and they bicker like classic siblings but then quickly make up. They both love a good steak, which is evidenced during their romantic date night meal at Therese's place.

The film is quirky and odd and the editing is a bit choppy and frustrating. But I enjoyed the shipcest included – real or imagined. And yes, that is 'Chekov' from the original Star Trek as the Pastor for which Therese pines.

Here are some screen shots with my editorial comments for clarity.

Thanks so much for sharing about this movie! I had never heard of it.

A pair of siblings that like to go on dates? I like it very much.

The ambiguity sounds frustrating!

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The Mafu Cage (s/s)

Hey Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here.Didn’t see The Mafu Cage on your master list, so thought I would mention it in case you want to post on blog and add to lists. 

The film is available for free currently on Plex.

An independent, yet, big budget film from 1978 starring Lee Grant and Carol Kane – both big stars at the time. The film centers around two adult sisters. Ellen (Grant) is the older, more responsible one. Cissy (Kane) is emotionally stunted and child-like. Ellen is a surrogate mother and big sister to Cissy. Because of this care-giving relationship, the two sisters have grown close since their father died (no mention of a mother).Not long into the film, it’s evident that the sisters have developed a cestship, coming more from Cissy. Ellen is a bit more hesitant but the viewer gets the sense that she, too, is not completely opposed to their relationship (nor has she been in the past). 

When a man comes into Ellen’s life, her younger sister spirals out of control at the thought of losing her sister. I won’t say anymore to prevent spoilers..

I really enjoyed this film for the canon cestship plot device and how tenderly and lovingly it is portrayed. The tender moments between the sisters – even those of physical intimacy – are done with great care, which I appreciated.

Here are some screen shots from the film with my editorial comments (which include actual lines from the movie).

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Thanks as always for your submissions. Canon sister/sister is rare so this is very much an appreciated rec!

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Movie: Tranquille Donne di Campagna - 1980 (m/s,cousins,a/nep) (submission)

Hey Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here.

Didn’t see “Tranquille Donne di Campagna” on your master list, so thought I would mention it in case you want to post on blog and add to lists.

TL:DR:

Five strong women of an Italian family do their best to protect their favorite son/nephew/brother/cousin, Alberto. And in the process, cestships (mostly sexual) develop. When the reprehensible head of the family becomes too much to handle, the women decide to replace him with Alberto.

DETAILED SYNOPSIS:

(WARNING: NARRATIVE AND GIFS MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS!)

An Italian language movie filmed in 1980 which centers around a sensitive and handsome young man around 20 years of age. Alberto is surrounded by beautiful women. There’s his mother, Anna – a stunning and compassionate brunette in her 40s. There’s his aunt Floriana – also a 40ish, year old, beautiful woman with platinum blonde hair. There’s Elisa, his younger sister, and Gloria, his visiting cousin a bit older than Alberto. Rounding out the beautiful women is Aida, the attractive and flirtatious 20-something maid.

All of these women adore Alberto because he is gorgeous and handsome, yet sweet and sensitive – almost fragile. And that is attractive to all of the women, especially his mother. Alberto’s father, Guido, is the complete opposite of Alberto – a sexist, misogynistic Alpha Male who basically calls Alberto a wimp every chance he gets and slaps him around. He treats all of the women as second class citizens, except his cousin, Floriana, whose ass he has to kiss. Floriana is a former, famous stage actor and the owner of the estate on which they all live. She has power and money, so everyone, including Alpha Male Guido, are subservient to her.

The film’s story line is basically a canon incest arc where each woman is trying to protect Alberto from his asshole father and, in the process, the women can’t help seducing him, or he seducing them or dreaming of seducing them. So throughout the film, Alberto finds himself being seduced by his “aunt” and cousin. He’s so close to his compassionate mother – who shares his sensitive soul – that Alberto dreams of replacing his father as his mother’s lover. And he has eyes for his sweet sister, too. All of this transpires through the arc of the movie, while the maid also gets involved. When Alberto’s father, Guido, takes things too far with his niece, Anna, Floriana convinces the rest of the women and Alberto that Guido must be stopped.

The ending elevated this film from average to above-average for me. I did not need a subtitled version as I understood the language, but I would recommend one as it’s difficult to figure out what’s going on by only observing the scenes. The film’s title literally translates to the “tranquil women who live in the country”, but I think it’s to suggest how methodical and without emotion the women plan and execute Guido’s demise. That’s how much they hate him, and how much they love Alberto. As the credits roll at the end, we see Alberto taking the seat that his father held at the head of the grand, dining room table. His mother, aunt and sister are all seated around him, gazing at him, while the maid serves him. The scene is definitely implying that Alberto has supplanted his father, and the women couldn’t be happier!

The film is billed as an erotic drama, and while it’s hard to take it seriously because of the over-the-top acting, mom (Anna), and cousin (Gloria), shine in their roles. Both, according to online research, were notable actors for the time. The sex is frequent. Every few minutes, someone is getting it on and they are usually blood-related. lol But it’s done tastefully, so I definitely wouldn’t put this in Russ Meyer or Tinto Brass exploitation category. It’s much more refined than that. But it’s a fun romp, nonetheless.

Here are some GIFs from the film with my comments and/or dialogue added for clarity.

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Oh yes, I did!... Charmed (s/s) (submission)

Hey Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here.

No long-ass submission or verbose narrative this time, because quite honestly, this doesn’t need one.

How? How… has your blog been in existence for years and the Charmed sisters are not on your list?

I see something on your lists about aunt/nephew and mom/son from the show but nothing about the sisters, themselves. Whaa…???

Is it because it’s too obvious? Too easy? Almost insulting to cestshippers?

Well, I’m not that noble, especially when it comes to shipping, so putting it out there. And I’m calling on all your secret Charmed shippers to let your Charmed flag fly and tell us whom of the sisters you ship and how? I know they’re out there!

I’ll start.

I’m an old goat (as in the animal not G.O.A.T.). lol I’m about the same age as the OG sisters, and I always had (and still have) a soft spot for Prue and Phoebe, especially Phoebe. So when I first started watching the show in ‘98, I immediately shipped Prue and Phoebe. I imagined Prue, being the oldest and mother-like, consoling the younger, and most sensitive of the sisters, Phoebe, leading to their intimate cestship.

When Paige showed up, I liked her fiery attitude and imagined her being the naughtiest of the four, convincing the always straight-n-narrow Piper to loosen up a bit.

Anyway, here’s my favorite screen shot of them.

So let’s hear the stories, folks! Don’t be shy!!

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Hey, Shipcestuous, et. al.,

ShipCestFan here. Working on another submission but in the meantime, I have a question/favor/request from you and our secret society.

A film on your rec lists call La Tarea intrigued me to seek it out and watch it. The post on your rec list is from 2015 and mentions it being b/s. But I could not for the life of me figure out how or conclude that the 2 main characters were siblings. Can you, all, help me out here? The film is in Spanish but I did find it with English subs. But again, I miss where we discover they are brother and sister?

And if that wasn’t frustrating enough, the writer/director, made a sequel titled, La Tarea Prohibida (also in Spanish I believe). This one is not on your lists but IMDB lists it under incest keyword. I believe the sequel is supposed to have a canon arc about m/s??? I could not find a version with Eng subs for Prohibida but I did find an SRT file that I was able to pull into the video. But the SRT file is horribly off sync and badly translated. So I’m still confused.

Both movies’ descriptions/overview in IMDB are cryptic, so I can’t tell in both movies where the cestship lies?

Maybe one of your readers who understands Spanish and/or has seen both movies can explain it to the rest of us?

I LOVE cestships of any kind as long as they are adults and consensual, so ANY info on either/both movies would be GREATLY appreciated!

And if I end up watching them both and understanding them, I might submit one of my (in?)famous overviews. lololol

TIA for all you do and to anyone that helps me out!

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I think I might know what happened here. The “La Tarea” on the canon list is a short. Here is the post where it was recommended to me. It was posted on YouTube (the link is no longer working), and was no more than 15 minutes long. Is that what you watched? This was a very low-budget likely “homemade” short with I think just three characters - a brother, a sister, and their mother. Most likely it was not official enough to have ever been on IMDB. 

The movie you’re describing appears to be something else and I feel awful if you watched an entire movie thinking it was something else! I’m so sorry about the confusion. 

But you appear to have discovered something new at least - La Tarea Prohibida. I don’t have a solution for you, but maybe one of my Spanish speaking followers can watch it and let us know if it’s worth the trouble of trying to fix up the subtitles? 

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Fighting Fish 2010 (b/s) (submission)

Just wanted to drop a line to wholeheartedly recommend “Fighting Fish”, currently still available for free on Tubi.

I was going to send one of verbose submissions / GIFs on it, but I think it has enough on its page for your followers to get the idea.

This film is so well done, so well acted, and the story is so realistic IMHO that’s it’s fast becoming one of my favorites, up there with Close My Eyes and The Color Wheel.

I hope your followers check it out. The ending is left open, so there’s hope for the siblings!

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Thanks for bringing this movie up again. I’m so glad it’s on Tubi. There was a point when it was very difficult to find. Yes, it’s easy to recommend, and I like that the ending doesn’t close the door on the relationship completely. 

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Hemlock Grove for the win!

Hey Shipcestuious. Shipcestfan here. I was going through my enormous collections of all things cestship - movies, books, TV shows to find more to submit to your blog. Came across Hemlock Grove. Looks like you have quite a bit on it, so no detailed submission from me.

But rewatching key episodes of this show makes me want to shout from the rooftop to nominate this series for best cestship ever!

There are some shows that have romance/tenderness.

There are some that have hot sex.

Some that have nudity.

And still some that have fantastic dialogue/writing.

But rarely do you get a show that checks all these effin boxes!

I feel HG did that for me - the sensuality, the sometimes sarcastic, sometimes dirty, sometimes tender dialogue, the nudity, the off-the-chart passion, the hot sex.  All rolled into one - holy crap!  Yeah, yeah, Annie and Roman were only half siblings. That’s good enough for me! If only mom would’ve been involved, I could have died a happy man.

It was like one of my erotic taboo stories come to life. LOL!

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I’m happy to see Hemlock Grove getting some love. It does have a lot to offer incest shippers and I’m still amazed they went there with Roman/Annie after having already done Roman/Letha. 

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Delta 2008 film (b/s) (submission)

Hey Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here.

Didn’t see Delta on your master list, so thought I would mention it in case you want to post on blog and add to lists.

I had to watch this 2008 foreign film several times before it grew on me for the cestship that develops between the siblings, Fauna and Mihail. The film moves slowly with little dialogue and has an almost ethereal quality to it. The cinematography is amazing, as are the performances, especially of Fauna, the sister.

The film centers around a man, Mihail, who moves back to his poor village located along the delta of the Danube river. The film is Hungarian but the Danube delta is located in eastern Romania so I’m guessing the village is located in Romania. The movie does not really explain why Mihail moves back suddenly nor does it explain if he had ever known his sister, Fauna, as children? So you’re not quite sure if a relationship already exists even as toddlers (as in the fine film, Marguerite & Julien)? Or, was he given up as an infant and they are meeting for the first time?

Immediately, there seems to be an attraction between the siblings, particularly coming from Fauna. Her lingering, intense stares at her brother don’t need dialogue. And Mihail seems so shy that he rarely makes eye contact with anyone. But when he does meet his sister’s eyes, he returns a gaze of interest… and ultimately desire.

Realizing his contentious relationship with his mother’s husband will make it difficult to live at home, Mihail decides to build a home (by himself essentially) along the delta. Fauna decides to help him, visiting every day. And soon, she is spending nights with him in his temporary cabin. As the siblings work together, they slowly get to know each other and Fauna decides to move in permanently with her brother. The only person in the village who doesn’t see anything wrong with this is her mother. When Fauna falls ill to the cold, damp climate of the delta, Mihail quietly, almost reverently, nurses her back to health. This simple act of unselfishness in Mihail seems to make Fauna realize she has fallen in love with her brother. She finally shows her affection toward him. He reciprocates and the sibling come together. They seem happy after they have crossed the line to cestship and intimacy. They decide to throw a party to celebrate their new home and behave as if they are a husband and wife hosts. But is the village ready to accept their questionable union?

The overriding thought that kept going through my mind as I watched this film was, when does a cestship develop? Can it really ever be called a cestship if the 2 people don’t really know each other? For me, I lean toward yes, it’s still a cestship because the siblings are introduced to each other as brother and sister. They know that what they are feeling (and ultimately doing) is not accepted in common society. But they push forward anyway, getting to know each other and allowing the viewer to watch the transformation of the relationship from familial (as familial as it can be) to romantic. But some viewers may see this film’s relationship as no different than a man and a woman meeting for the first time. But that is the beauty of film. A good film leaves things open to interpretation.

Here are some screen shots from the film with my editorial comments and some actual dialogue for clarity.

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Thank you so much for all of these details and pics form this movie. I’ve actually heard of Delta, unlike your past submissions, but I’ve never seen it. I’m not sure why it wasn’t on the masterlist and why there aren’t any posts about it. Maybe I just saw it on some canon incest list somewhere and figured I would do something with the list someday and never did. Anyway, you fixed a great wrong and have given us something exciting to look forward to watching. 

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Is it betrayal? (submission)

Hey, S, et. al., Shipcestfan here. I really wish replies allowed unlimited text to indulge my verbosity. lol    Alas, I have to post to comment on the poster who posted about Crusader King and the discovery of the husband having an affair with his mom.

I agree with you @shipcestuous that being incest would lessen the betrayal, no?

When I was an amateur writer of taboo erotica 20 years ago, my stories were HEAVY on romance and cestship. I wrote/published a tear-jerker (yes I know, a tear-jerker stroke story) about a childless and unhappily married woman in her early 30s who falls “in love” with her still virile 50something father to whom she had always been close. They consummate the affair with physical intimacy and carry on until hubby finds out. And then all hell breaks loose. But all of my stories have happy endings so all is well that ends well.

But the reason I mention is because that story - more than any other of the 100 or so I published - garnered me some serious hate mail! It came mostly from middle-aged men who insisted it was “cheating” and a betrayal to the husband, and I argued with them that it was not! I was floored at the general feeling out there. But the story was in the top 100 most ready story for a couple of years so it resonated with many others.

Bottom line, it’s all a matter of perspective, I guess.  Such an interesting subject to me.

Carry on.

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Wow, 100 stories, that’s really impressive! 

I do think it’s cheating, even if it’s incest, and I do think it’s wrong. But there can be many possible slightly mitigating factors, like a marriage that is unhappy on both sides. Obviously, if a person were going about it the right way, they would end their relationship/marriage before being physically unfaithful, but I don’t expect that from characters. Sometimes we want them to do the wrong thing. 

Your story sounds really good!

In the case of the Crusader Kings anon, I figure they would mind a little less if it was incest because they’re part of our incest shipping community (and it was just a game). For the average person, I figure it would be much worse in their opinion, adding a disturbing layer of horror on top of everything. Though in my opinion, if your significant other cheats with someone they knew before they knew you, it would still be wrong and still hurt, but maybe hurt a little less than if they had met someone new and just wanted to move on. And then there could be this element of maybe they were always in love but could never be together, or were always in love but couldn’t face it, that kind of thing, that could make it a little more sympathetic if we were talking about a story. 

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In An Old Manor House 1984 (m/s)

Hey Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here.Didn’t see “W starym dworku czyli niepodleglosc trojkatow” on your master list, so thought I would mention it in case you want to post on blog and add to lists

.I will admit, I did not understand a word of this Polish language film. And the only scene that might be relevant to the blog is the scene between a mother and her adult son. 

According to IMDB, the film is from 1984 and the title translates to In An Old Manor House. Anastasia, the married lady of the house who seems to be in her early-to-mid 40s, loves sex and cheats on her husband regularly from what I could gather. He catches her in the act and promptly proceeds to blow her head off. Anastasia returns as a ghost to haunt everyone in the family by driving them crazy with sexual desire. Seems like a fitting revenge, and my kind of ghost! lol

In one scene, she appears to her young, adult son who looks to be around 20 years old. He is still a virgin, and mom has apparently decided to do her motherly duty from beyond the grave and take his virginity for christsake. lol

Perhaps, my shipper goggles are so thick that they make me see things that aren’t really there. Even though the scene is wholly unnecessary and the moment between mother and son lasts only about 5 minutes, I still saw a tenderness there between them; a look in both of their eyes that led me to conclude that maybe there was an endearing and loving cestship between them when she was alive. But, like I said, my shipper goggles often lead me to jump to radical conclusions. lol

Here are some screen shots from the film.

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Thanks for the screenshots and the info about this rare find. No one around here is going to blame you for wearing your shipping goggles!

My kind of ghost as well!

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ShipCestFan here.... (submission)

For submission to our Secret Society:

Fairy Godmother and her son, Prince Charming, from Shrek 2.  Convince me I’m wrong.

What I found amusing/fascinating is that this was an animation, so any dialogue or behaviors had to be WRITTEN into the script/movie! As in the scene below where PC says, “Oh, thank you, mother.”…. his upper arm brushes back into his mom’s breast.  Someone had to WRITE that into the animation! LOL  Luv it.  I like to think we have many of our ship mates out in society subtly dropping hints.  Here are several GIFs I lifted that I found most interesting…

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I’ll have to pay more attention to these two next time! 

It is pretty funny how close he is sitting next to her and the way his arm slides against her breast. 

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Burning Palms (film 2010) - father/daughter shipcest (submission)

Hey Shipcestuous. ShipCestFan here.Didn’t see Burning Palms on your master list, so thought I would mention it in case you want to post on blog and add to lists.

WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!

The 2010 film is billed as an “American satirical thriller” and “based on Los Angeles stereotypes”. The film is currently available for free on Tubi. The director brought together five short tales or segments that seriously push the envelope of societal “norms”, including one segment in which one Zoe Saldana’s character is raped and realizes she enjoyed it, seeking out her assailant again. But the segment near and dear to all of us shippers is one showing a possible shipcest between a father and daughter. The segment is titled The Green-Eyed Monster and stars Dylan McDermott as dad, the amazing Rosamund Pike as his girlfriend, and Emily Meade as daughter, Chloe. 

Wikipedia describes the segment as such: “Dedra Davenport meets Chloe, the 15-year-old daughter of her fiancé Dennis for the very first time. However, she is soon disturbed by how close father and daughter are, committing suicide by cutting her veins just like Chloe’s mother, feeling herself shut out and betrayed by the unhealthy close and bordering on incestuous relationship between the two.”

While the viewer is left speculating whether, or not, father and daughter have crossed the forbidden zone of consensual sex, the pair definitely portray a warm, lighthearted and loving shipcest to some degree. Dad, Dennis, denies that there is anything strange about his and his daughter’s relationship when his girlfriend, Dedra, confronts him. But her eyes do not lie, and her mind runs wild with conclusions.

One point in the story that I found interesting was how easily Dedra decided to cheat on her fiance just because she’s furious at (and jealous of) Chloe. Seriously? It was like she was thinking, “I think my boyfriend is too close with his daughter, so I’m going to cheat on him.” 

I really, really, really wish they would have made Chloe an adult and older. That’s just my personal wish. I have this (unfounded) belief that humans don’t mature and think rationally until well past 18 years of age. For me it would have given the cestship a lot more credibility. How many of us have encountered teens who “think they know everything” but don’t? For me, it was hard to watch Chloe’s actions and not think, “does she really know what she is doing?”. But on the other hand, if she would have been 25 or so years of age and canoodling with dear ol’ dad the way she was, then it would have made me think she was mature enough to know exactly what she was doing and is in it for the win. lol

Here are some screen shots from the film but feel free to edit, not post the images or not post this entire post at all, considering Chloe’s age.  Truth be told, I was quite surprise that major stars like Dylan and Rosamund took it on considering the subject matter and ages portrayed. 

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Thank you so much for this detailed submission about Burning Palms. And for all of the caps, wow! That’s a lot of work and I appreciate it so much. 

I had never heard of this movie, and it’s always really great to learn about canon(ish) incest in a relatively recent mainstream film. 

It sounds like the writer/director may have wanted to push things with the age, given the “subversive” and “taboo” nature of the stories, but it would have been a lot more realistic for the girlfriend to suspect something if the daughter had been older. 

If there really was smoke without fire now, it doesn’t mean that will always be the case, when she’s older.