#shezzarine nerevar

[trickstarbrave]

shezzarine nerevar REALLY scratches the itch in my brain because

voryn doesnt know it. but he's always been drawn to lorkhan. perhaps hes always been doomed, in that way. he fell in love with nerevar, adored him, worshiped him, loved him so much he could hate him. he was going mad with love.

and then he sees the heart, the heart of a dead god, the heart of a god he has no idea he had been worshiping this entire time. lorkhan's heart, his beloved's heart, calling out to him like a siren as he guarded it and the tools.

he can feel it. in his bones, in every fiber of his being, that he was made for this. he tampers with it, cooing softly at the heart that he wont hurt it like the dwemer did. the air smells like nerevar, dizzing and comforting despite how profane it was. the heart is alive, his beloved his alive, whispering promises of all he can provide for voryn.

and then nerevar returns, demanding the tools, saying he'll hand them over to someone else for safekeeping. safekeeping? who else besides voryn could possibly guard these tools? they could hurt nerevar. kill him. ruin everything--the entire world itself. doesn't nerevar trust him? doesn't nerevar love him? why entrust the tools and heart to someone else who doesn't know and love him like voryn does?!

voryn has come too far. he loves nerevar too much to allow him to hand over something so dangerous to those retched councilors who will no doubt abuse it, killing nerevar in the process. voryn is so close to discovering it's secrets--nerevar's secrets, his beloved's secrets--that he can't let this go. why doesn't nerevar understand?

he'll have to take the tools over voryn's dead body

[the-mercurial-star-o-vesper]

Its easy to think that the Nerevarine, and by connection Nerevar, was a Shezzarine.

... And that's actually false. The Nerevarine / Nerevar is not connected to Lorkhan, not so directly. They are connected to a Different god.

Let me explain.

We can agree through concept art and in-game hidden secrets, that Nerevar was murdered by his council at Red Mountain; by Almalexia, Sotha Sil and Vivec. They did this because they wanted the power of Lorkhan's Heart but Nerevar had forbade it. But they did give him the means to "return" via gruesome ritual of dismemberment.

Now, on the surface, this doesn't sound familiar. Add the Shezzarine element, and everyone from here to Vvardenfell will swear its akin to Lorkhan's death and must be a continuation of the Enantiomorph.

But its not.

In fact, the pattern here, mimic's another pattern also told in Morrowind.

To break it down.

A warrior-king leading soldiers, is tricked and cut down, and through his death, transforms his people.

Starting to sound familiar?

He was cut down by three entities. Almalexia / Boethiah, Sotha Sil / Azura, and Vivec / Mephala. Who only vaguely connect to the big three, Auriel, Magnus, Lorkhan.

And the Chimer became the Dunmer (a people transformed).

And to lead these new people, the new three would use Nerevar's "Voice" to speak Truths. (They became new gods and wrote history as they wanted it until it became "True", and part of that was making it appear that Nerevar had agreed to all this, and had sacrificed himself heroically).

Those who knew the truth (The ashlanders), would be "banished" to an ash land.

Then, Nerevar would return transformed (The Nerevarine), as, in such sense, a vengeful version of himself.

...

Now does it sound familiar?

Nerevar isn't a Shezzarine.

He's a Trinimakhan.

[trickstarbrave]

TALI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i know tali will keep him safe as will the rest of team dragonborn. and if need be tali will make ancano pay if he tries to hurt wyrm again

Clockwork heart pt11

Part 10 here

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Wyrm: *staring around at the world when creation was new, whales flying through the skies along side dragons as he climbs the steps to the Adamantine tower, the earth climbing and crumbling, seas forming then drying, trees blooming and withering, and life living then dying*

???: *tired pained laughter* you may cut my limbs and bleed my blood into the veins of this earth brother. But I can not be killed. I am this realm. The air that gives life to your creations is my breath, the dirt beneath their feet my skin, and the clouds that shade them my thoughts.

???: Then I shall rip out your heart and let this disgusting mistake we’ve made rot with your corpse. Trinimac. My bow.

*The cracking of ribs and the pained screams of the true god of creation*

Wyrm: *walks up the steps and crests the platform to see the convention of the aedra, the Magna Ge, among them Meridia before her daedric ascension, as was malacath when he walked as Trinimac. And at the feet of auriel, bound in chains, the body of lorkhan, still smiling, still breathing, laughing softly with no voice as his form begins to wither*

Auriel: the heart of my brother still beats in my hand… how?…

The heart of lorkhan: *speaking with the voice of its master* This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other.

Lorkhan: *grins up at his brother knowing even in his stasis like death he will be with his greatest creation, winning the battle of their makers anu and padomay* you will be bound to me and my world forever brother…

Auriel: *glares at him with malice in his eyes as he snatches an arrow from Trinimacs hands, stabbing it into the heart before knocking it to his bow* Then forever you will suffer with me. *loosens it letting it fly into the sea, creating red mountain with its impact*

Wyrm: *watches in awe as lorkhans body explodes into light, his eyes turning to gems, his blood to ebony, his body to the moons watching over the new world and his soul into the orb he’d absorbed in the depths of saarthal* what?…

Auriel: *suddenly turns his gaze to look at him* heed this warning now. My wrath will be swift as it is great. Turn back from this path… do not allow the trickster to ret-t-tuuurRrrNnnnnNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHH! *grabs his face in agony as his body is suddenly split into two, one elven, one human, one eagle, one dragon*

Wyrm: *stumbles back in fear and runs for the stairs only to see them now gone, and in its place the gaping maw of a dragon made to devour worlds* NO-

*terrified screaming and the heavy impacts of debris mixing with the ungodly roars of a giant, angry beast*

Wyrm: *blinks awake and shifts feeling hay beneath him* h-huh?… *sits up to see the cold stone walls and iron bars of a small prison cell* wh-what? Where am I? *looks down at himself to see his clothes replaced with rags, and his arm missing* t-Tolfdir? O-Onmund?… p-papa?… *gets up and shakily walks to the bars, relieved he at least still has his Pearl eye so he can see clearly* h-hello?

???: huh? Whose??? Someone’s alive in here!

Wyrm: *blinks as a handsome stormcloak soldier suddenly appears in front of the bars* h-hello? Wh-where am I? What’s g-going on?

???: I? You don’t know? You’re in Helgen! There’s a dragon attacking the city! Why are you in here?

Wyrm: I- I don’t know I was in saarthal th-then I woke up here-

???: he turned up here a couple days ago gibbering nonsense and scaring civilians, when we tried to grab him he let out some weird magic and drove half of our men mad before they burst into a pile of ashes. Don’t even think about letting him out Ralof.

Ralof: Well he’s not gibbering nonsense now, Hadvar! And if he can do that then he’s of better use to us against a dragon then being left to die here. *smashes the lock open and lifts Wyrm into his arms*

*a few hours later*

Ralof: *carrying Wyrm out of the cave and down the hill* Dangerous criminal my backside Hadvar! The poor lad was scared out of his mind in there. Just like the empire to lock up innocent people.

Hadvar: YOU, weren’t there to see what he did!

Wyrm: *tearing up looking at what’s left of his mechanical arm after finding it in a chest* I-I didn’t mean t-to hurt anybody, I swear it I’m not a criminal… *sniffles shaking his head before resuming picking hay out of his hair*

Ralof: Well I! See yet another person the empire screwed over! And if he hadn’t of set that bear on fire when it charged at us you’d be dead! So fuck off and leave him alone! *huffs and storms off ahead with him* don’t mind him friend, he’s always been a prick.

Wyrm: th-thank you for saving me, h-how did I make it all the way here in my sleep? H-how do I get home to winterhold? Papa will be so worried about me…

Ralof: hey, it’ll be alright I’m sure my sister will help you out.

Wyrm: *looks up at him sadly* th-thank you…

*a few hours later*

Wyrm: *got cleaned up at Gerdurs house, dressed in the mage robes he’d picked up in Helgen, now quietly exploring around the lake in an attempt to find any possible sign he’d come that way so he can follow it home, just completely lost* maybe if I get to higher ground I can find my path back?… *looks around before spotting a small path leading up to a ledge* oh! *hurries over and up it, immediately freezing seeing several dead bodies, and one seemingly injured thalmor justiciar* …

???: *looks up* oh gre-

Wyrm: *just straight up faints*

???: …Well brilliant.

*a few hours later*

Wyrm: *woke up to the thalmor agent shaking him gently and after healing his ‘life threatening wounds’ returned to riverwood with him* um? Taliesin was it?

Taliesin: hm? Oh yes my little friend what is it now?

Wyrm: I was asked to retrieve an ornament for the shopkeeper in exchange for some gold but… the last time I went into a barrow something bad happened… *holds his head* I can’t… remember what it was but… it hurt… and I need money to get home. Can you help me?

Taliesin: *looks up from his food quietly* hm? Well I suppose I can help you, it’s the least I can do for you saving my life and all.

Wyrm: you only had a small cut though.

Taliesin: … *reaches over and pinches his arm*

Wyrm: *jumps and tears up* O-ow! That h-hurt!

Taliesin: See? Now imagine how being cut open feels. It’s not nice is it?

Wyrm: *sniffles and nods* I’m sorry…

Taliesin: it’s alright. *sets his food down* But I promised I’d look after you and get you home safe! So if you want to retrieve this ornament for some gold I’ll be happy to help you get it. Who knows, maybe it’ll give us a story worth retelling.

*the next day*

Taliesin: *carrying him out of the barrow with the claw and strange tablet* That was not worth it!

[the-elder-polls]

its friday, so may I request your craziest headcanons 👀🫵

sure why not im insane for fun

nerevar was a shezzarine and the nerevarine is a shezzarine by extension

every player character carries/embodies an aspect of lorkhan and can be considered a shezzarine (can you tell i have a thing for shezzarines)

pelinal was something almost like a Prisoner. not fully a Prisoner, but very damn close

nerevar's murder was a dragon break; thus, voryn killed him, the tribunal killed him, dumac killed him, and so on. they're all right and they're all wrong

miraak had the raw strength to kill alduin, but lacked the discipline and strategy to do so safely. he could've done it, yeah - he just would've died in the process

[boethiah]

hi, op who kick-started this with shezzarine questions -- I missed that bit with Almalexia being Dragonborn. Is that personal lore, a theory, 'canon', or . . ?

it's a theory, but one i consider about as plausible as any other taken-for-granted deeplore canon. it stems from the fact that almalexia's associated with akatosh by outsiders, has dragonborn traits e.g. prophetic dreams, and allegedly prophesied the oblivion crisis from akatosh's POV

[ansu-gurleht]

how do you think lorkhan feels about the things mortals have done with his heart? like, would he approve of the tribunal or dagoth ur, or would he be glad the nerevarine stopped them from using it?

hm….this is an interesting question!

i think the best way to approach it is through the shezzarines. one such person, ysmir wulfharth, was very interested in reclaiming the heart of shor from the chimer and dwemer. this may just be a result of his nordic heritage, but i think wulfharth had a great deal to do with shaping that nordic heritage, as well!

the second notable shezzarine here is, of course, the nerevarine. (and possibly nerevar himself, if you think he’s a shezzarine too. i’m not sure!) and, of course, part of the nerevarine’s quest was to undo the ties between the tribunal and dagoth ur to the heart, thereby “freeing” it. 

so if we look at the acts of shezzarines as inherently reflective of shor/lorkhan himself, then we can definitely conclude that he’s not fond of people fiddling with his heart. i will say, though, the interpretation that he’s at the very least neutral to the prospect, say with the tribunal, is a really interesting one! i’m just not sure it’s supported by canon, necessarily. (like that’s ever stopped me before!)

[trickstarbrave]

fucking shezzarines is both miserable and inevitable

one of these days ill figure out why the dagoth symbol is a scarab. but not 2day.

[kagrenacs]

Explaining the Iceberg #8

In which the theories get worse as you delve deeper. (some content is cut because it’s not appropriate/something I would want to discuss)

Coldharbour/Clockwork Tamriel: Coldharbour has many locations that resemble Tamriel, and often are outright taken from it. C0Da seems to indicate Sotha Sil’s final goals for the clockwork city is to recreate and ‘perfect’ Tamriel.

The Crimson Ship: During the Knahaten Flu, the Kothringi were hit particularly hard, and the Crimson Ship was full of refugees trying to find a new home. They were turned away at every port, until reaching Hammerfell. After being turned away once again, they sailed out to sea. Some years later, pirates found the ship full of corpses.

Storming of the citadel: Unsure of this, the wording is too general. It could possibly refer to the Morrowind Mainquest, when you take back the profane tools, A Covenant quest in Elder Scrolls Cnline, or the Main quest in Elder Scrolls Online

Altmeri formwars: Mentioned in an MK short story. Possibly a war from a previous Kalpa that involved the Dreugh

Yagrum Bagarn made the Numidium: He states he was a Tonal Architect under Kagrenac, there’s a possibility he may have worked on the Numidium as well.

Sons of Hora: Mentioned in the Nu-hatta, related to mantling. ‘this is the death children bring as son’s of Hora’. My guess is that it’s the ability of mortals (sons of Lorkhan, Hora?) to actually mantle deities and understand their limits.

Kaleidocules: ‘Leaky Creatia’  the power of creation, magical possibility 

Ayleids=Bird people: A race of unnamed bird people Topal the Pilot was said to have met on his journey across Tamriel. Since they occupy the same region as Ayleids did (although they seem to have been present before the Ayleids and subsequently died out), and since Ayleids have recurring bird motifs within their armor and art, it’s thought that these two groups may be one in the same.

Dragon Tusk: The name of the oversoul (cumulation of all aspects) of Akatosh/Auri-el ect. Is Aka or Aka-Tusk.

Lorkhan’s heart the egg of time: In Morrowind, the egg of time is a rebuttal paper to Kagrenac’s theories on the use of the tools on the heart of lorkhan.

Khajiit ??? Genetic memory: I can’t make out if that says lactable as in the infant formula for babies, or something else. 

The Prisoner: A name for all playable characters in tes, revolves around the concept of seeing past barriers formed previously (the prison) and overcoming these obstacles to change things.

82nd Crodo: Mentioned in the redguard forums, a community in Alinor.

City of Rockcreek: In Arena, there is a city called Rockpark. A glitch in town generation happened, and the palace to Rockpark was blocked off, rendering it inaccessible. In Daggerfall, the developers referenced this glitch in ‘Ius the Animal God’ But misspelled Rockpark as ‘Rockcreek’

Atmora-Aldmeris Invasion: Not quite sure what this references, my best guess is the invasion of the Atmorans and Aldmer from their respective continents to Tamriel.

1008 weapons of rapture: 1008 or 108 is usually in reference to Cyrodill (8+1 gods), in Et’Ada, Eight Aedra, Eat the Dreamer, there is mention of 1008 weapons of rapture. This could possibly refer to the Divines, the Middle Dawn that lasted 1008 years, or perhaps 1008 literal weapons.

Thalmor UFOs: Seems to have originated on the iceberg

King Harald and Talos die at 108: There goes that numerology again

Adamantia Scroll rocket: While this seems to have originated on the iceberg once again, there is a group of tes LARPers with the shared name Adamantia

Ghartoki: Mentioned in what my beloved taught me after Vivec reads a symbol on Nerevar’s palms (possibly some sigil, scars or just reading palms). Ghartok in Ehlnofey means hand, and in the sermons it’s often associated with the word Padhome, or change.

Thalmor and Jyggalag: The Altmer are orderly so they worship Jyggalag.

Motheaters: A little song mentioned in this thread https://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-unknown-posts

Klecksographic Lyg: Another iceberg original, Klecksography is the art of making art from inkblots, essentially this is just saying how lyg was created in a fancy way

Ha-Note is Mehrunes Dagon: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/3o0uwk/nanote_dagon/ the original theory is here, TL;DR Ha-Note, a monster born from Vivec, renamed itself ‘City-Face’ and fled to Lyg. The ‘grabbers’ grabbed it, because they can’t create things of their own and said they’d build a Hope-Tower upon it’s face. In the Commentaries of Mankar Cameron, he states Mehrunes Dagon was built from hope.

Zurin Arctus=Versidue Shae: An apparently deleted theory, mentioned only in this post debunking it https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/9rs2ad/what_were_the_motives_of_versidue_shaie/

The King’s Cough: Mentioned in Sermon 29, another name for the Thu’um

The Catalyst: The driving force that starts an Enantiomorph 

Tsaescence: A tsaesci word from We ate it to become it, MK states it means it’s the Tsaesci word of “High Perception” In context, seems to mean something similar to CHIM.

Hero of Kvatch=Pelinal Whitestrake: See the Knights of the Nine DLC. (To expand further, there are many similarities between the two, force of change, knight to the emperor/empress)

Amiel Arctus: An old screen name for Michael Kirkbride

The Space Gods: Found in the last song of Pelinal and Eight Aedra Eat the Dreamer, like many things in tes, it’s Lorkhan.

Uriel V: The father of Uriel VI, tried his best to invade Akavir.

Otherkin: You are reading this on tumblr. You know what this is. MK made a lengthy forum post about how Tosh Raka hates the Otherkin for some reason.

Falmer are Hermaified: Horrible word, but there are resemblances between Hermaeus Mora’s shrines, and Falmer shrines.

Invisible Dragons: In morrowind, if you ask M’aiq about dragons, he’ll state they’re too high up to see. Or invisible

Alien Ayleids: A relic from the since deleted bethesda forums. MK wanted to have a plot twist where Ayleids were Aliens.

The insect god: Mentioned in the Adabal-a, or Morhaius’s memoirs. May be a since-retconned god, could possibly be Lorkhan due to his frequent connection with Scarabs.

Suicide Trolls: An easter egg in Oblivion, a poorly scrawled note and a troll found dead under a bridge across the bridge from Bravil.  

Arkay=Arnand the Fox=Zurin Arctus: Zurin Arctus is sometimes called Arnand the Fox (Seen in where were you when the dragon broke) Shor is also represented as the fox, which makes sense since Zurin is a Shezzarine. This connects to Arkay by Malacath/Orkey/Arkay, who is a trickster god (fox like) in Nordic pantheons. Malacath also got compared to a fox once. I never said these theories were well backed up.

Dwarf-Orc theory: referring to Dumac, who is sometimes called Dumalacath, or Dumac Dwarf-Orc, suggesting he has an orcish and dwemer parents. This also may imply there are cross cultural connections between the two groups (especially when you consider the Rourken clan having Volenfell, Malacath’s hammer.), meaning Dwemer blood could still be present within Orcish clans.

Tosh Raka: The Dragon-God of the Ka’Po’Tun. Became a dragon through unknown means (possibly through Dracocrysalis?) Hates the otherkin I guess.

A worn and weathered note: A curious note from Morrowind. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:A_worn_and_weathered_note

TalOS: Talos is called a virus by Jubal in C0da. If you think of the Aurbis as a computer, Talos could be considered analogous to a Trojan Virus when you look at his place in the pantheon of Divines. He used the mantella to cheat-code the universe into accepting it as Lorkhan’s new heart to power the Numidium. An error occurred, and now the universe considers TalOS the new Lorkhan.

King of Worms = The Underking: Both are liches, both are undead, that’s about it. May stem from initial confusion of MK saying there were ‘multiple underkings’ when he meant there were multiple copies of the same person in the dragon break.

500 companions were dragons: the 500 mighty companions, an obscure text calls at least one of the companions a dragon, and some of the names were draconic sounding.

Dreamer can’t wake up: Straight from the mouth of MK, this might mean ‘the Godhead isn’t literal’ or it might literally mean, the universe can’t cease to be because the Godhead just stops.

[trickstarbrave]

lorkhan is describe is a limitation more than he is a natural law. the creator of mundus, of earth, of the material world and earthly limitations.

nerevar in the 36 sermons vivec tells nerevar "All else is earth and under your temporal command. There is no bone that cannot be broken, except for the heart bone."

nerevar is a shezzarine

[spectral-cervid]

Hi, I was reading this post by you (theory: voryn killed nerevar not almsivi) and I had a quick question, if it's not too much trouble. In the post you mentioned a theory that every Dragonborn is accompanied by a Shezzarine. I was curious to how/where this theory came from. Also, do you have a theory to who the Shezzarine is to the LDB?

Oh wow that post is old. I think your best bet to continue this trail of lore and theorizing would be @boethiah who I THINK is the other half of the puzzle here? This strikes me as something she may have written about.

[morgiah]

anyway nerevar/nerevarine was a shezzarine & there’s nothing r/teslore can do about it

[kagrena]

Bthemetz headcanons & Various Dwemer headcanons:

- bthem knows a lot about numidium through not only proximity to the project but hir own work. kagrenac and bthem worked together on a “body” that would allow hir to transcend the borders of the realm of oblivion. it was partially successful, more a construct than a body, a chasis bthem controls like one might control a toy with a joystick, not something inate, or part of oneself.

- bthem’s chasis ended up being revisited when kagrenac began to design numidium. early designs actually resemble bthem’s Actual Face a lot (this was just before their relationship drastically fell apart).

- bthem was the philosopher credited with shifting focus from “from the sacred to the profane” to “from the profane to the sacred” and caused a radical shift in not only dwemer politics but dwemer identity, from a former lorkhan-worshipping sect of disillusioned scholars and historians fixated on the corpse of a god to a group of innovators and mathematicians and scientists. hir sermons allowed the dwemer to position themselves beyond simply ‘against aldmeris’ and (ironically) drop lorkhan altogether.

- bthem however revered lorkhan passionately in life and that is about as fashionable as auriel himself (and this was so early in the merethic era most people have forgotten about lorkhan worship altogether) - so hir name didn’t automatically carry weight. it’s worth noting dwemer don’t particularly revere ancestors or view history in terms of Great Names (that is a very altmer approach), cathedrals are perhaps more like debate halls and quite often ‘scripture’ is erased and re-written from scratch, new ideas supercede old ones.

- so the discovery of bthem didn’t make kagrenac a household name - but rather kagrenac’s invesitgations onto souls, bodies, planes (metaphysics basically) did. kagrenac ended up writing a book about a lot of what she discovered while helping bthem unearth hirself.

- bthem had a unique and rather uneasy position amongst the dwemer. while bthem was acknowledged as hir own person ze lacked the formal education that had become commonplace amongst the dwemer - bthem knows very little of mathematics or engineering or oration or astronomy; ze is a philosopher and priest who had an inate knowledge of the earth bones when ze was in nirn. dwemer have a ruthless debate culture and while bthem was welcome to take part in those debates, politically ze was always disadvantaged cause of this lack of knowledge, and also because political opponents of kagrenac wanted to rip into her using bthem. bthem ended up trusting in kagrenac politically rather than following hir own ventures (bthem perhaps, mistakenly, always considered her and hirself equals as they had been when kagrenac was a visitor to hir realm).

- nevertheless kagrenac’s close colleagues - later, acolytes, followers - always treated hir with respect and bthem co-authored papers on tonal architecture and was... busy working, not simply a Prop. the fact that ze was The Bthemetz, the one who led a bunch of their people across the desert, like the fucking Plato of hir people, mattered not in some ways; most viewed hir as one of kagrenac’s closest followers.

- additionally i’ve always kind of headcanoned the dwemer having several nations (people mistakenly interpret them as clans or whatever....); bthem is not from the same nation, the same people, as the vvardenfell group, and in that way bthemetz was viewed as an outsider as well. 

- i think in general bthemetz found the experience of 1st era vvardenfell dwemer society extremely alienating and odd because as advanced and technologically brilliant they were in a way they were only just scratching the surface of while bthem was alive. and while they were still an intense, privately passionate, reclusive people, the structure of society was so.... different from when bthem was alive, not a bunch of lost visionaries in the desert listening to the sounds of the earth but bustling cities with grand cathedrals and a sense of formalities and structures and identities which were still very much forging while bthem was alive. oral debate was a cornerstone of what bthem lived through but the subjects and ideas were so utterly different and alien. the godlessness of hir people i think in particular was bizarre - not something ze had thought impossible, there was an emerging strand of that while ze was alive amongst hir own faction, but still, for there to be no worshippers of lorkhan left? maddening. also deeply upsetting, because lorkhan worship so deeply entwined with her own research and philosophy, with part of why ze started those wars, ze caused so much chaos, why ze was captured and imprisoned. 

- bthemetz was not part of the first council but attended larger ceremonies. so the chimer saw hir. they just thought ze was a weird centurion or atronach or something. didn’t recognise hir personhood or hir at all. this is partially why, along with the difficulty of going so far undiscovered, bthem never even considered going to nerevar’s court with information about numidium; it would be impossible to contact them discretely anyway (in a way that it was definitely possible to do with voryn).

- as a construct, bthemetz could not hear the heart even stood in front of it. had bthem still been on nirn, attuned as ze was, a shezzarine on top of that..... ze would have heard it from miles away. ze would have heard it the moment ze took hir first steps in kagrenac’s workshop. this irony upsets hir a lot.

- bthem as a character was passionate and warm, and extremely, extremely driven. ze had a natural charisma i think? enough to convince people to start a war. (hey i didn’t say ze was good.)

[calebwittebane]

pelinal? gay. wulfharth? gay. nerevar? gay. would you look at that. shezzarines is gay. lorkhan is gay

[trickstarbrave]

I think Nerevar being intersex works. I like to imagine lorkhan is intersex (and there might be lore to back it up however I just woke up hcgvgcguvcgvh) so shezzarines being intersex is fun (even if he isn’t one in this fic he is one in my heart and that’s why the heart of Lorkhan never effected him) And like you said it would make sense as to why he was so close to Vivec

Severed Destiny future nonsense

Gilvoth moves into Odrosal after Odros, ah, decides to "commune" with Vivec a little more often

and not a minute too soon because it's been decided it's Nerevar's turn to get knocked up

and nobody in the volcano is getting any sleep from all the racket (soundproofing will be installed shortly)

I'm still not sure how Nerevar's getting the extra plumbing. either he was always that way (and that's a reason he was friends early on with vivec, this seems to make more sense to me) or Voryn, ah, was thinking about it when he was resurrecting Nerevar and it just sort of...slipped in

[trainwiz]

I want to mantle you (in a non-fetishy TES way)

There is no such thing as not-fetishy mantling in TES. Every Shezzarine has had to give Lorkhan a lapdance. The Nerevarine and Nerevar’s two-person orgy is still forbidden to be related in temple texts, and you don’t want to know what Miraak’s real plan for those standing stones were.

[pyrlspite]

nerevarine: nerevar reincarnated shezzarine: shezzar reincarnated maybelline: ????