#sgiandubhs

[underthewingsofthblackeagle]

@sgiandubh Glad to hear you're feeling better :) By the way, mark my words, there are different ways to get nicotine :)

Freedom is the word

Day started well, with a negative test. I celebrated by immediately perfecting the sale of Zorba the Car (reluctantly, but I shall need a different one altogether and some extra brain, too), followed by a three hour, long overdue, check-up at my optometrist's.

Never felt so well to finally be out of this damn predicament.

[samheughanswife]

What is a kiss? Usually a way to express love, affection or as part of a greeting.

So let’s put this into perspective.

. Cast photographed together before boarding the bus that drove them to Murrayfield. So it’s a given that greetings were exchanged. Kisses and hugs, at the very beginning of the class excursion to TS concert with both the Headmistress and her deputy in attendance.

. Arrival and settling into the VIP tent and waiting for the pre show performance. Drinks, talking and familiarising themselves with the setup. Access, security, toilets.

. Sam and Caitriona would have been cognisant that the performance was filmed. All the other performances have been with multiple cameras and drones. TS set the standards very high with the use of technology so everyone can enjoy and benefit from her concerts.

. The chances of being filmed were high. They were very close to the stage and in the line of sight of the multiple cameras. These are two people very well versed in outdoor and location filming. Not novices. They would have seen the crew pre show.

. Paramore start their set with introductions and then their performance.

. Not sure how long they were in attendance before Paramore came on stage and not my job to find out. But suffice to say co-star catchup interactions were done and dusted.

What the video shows is a woman, Caitriona, so intuitively and intimately comfortable with Sam that she draws him in, arm around his neck and kisses him. Twice. It’s there on film. And it’s this that has the tumblrinas knickers so twisted.

We see a Caitriona who clearly not only “likes” her costar ( you know that she is said to hate him) but initiates UNNECESSARY closeness and deep affection, LOVE, for Sam whichever way you look at it. It was hours into being together on the excursion, not minutes.

These aren’t stills or screenshots. It’s on film. In technicolour. Swifty technicolour 🩷💚🩵🩶💙❤️💛🤎💜.

The existence of this video was dropped into the inbox of multiple accounts. It was there to watch and disseminate and ultimately share.

The only one to do so was @sgiandubh. I thank you so much and I’m saddened but not surprised that you have had to deal with the typical bullshit that comes from sharing any content that rattles the entrenched group think and mindset of so many.

“You think I’d leave your side, baby

You know me better than that

You think I’d leave when you’re down on your knees

I wouldn’t do that” By your Side, Sade 🤎

Caitriona showed not only her support for Sam after the HH pap walk but love as well. Platonic if you aren’t a believer and of course for me a woman who was unafraid and with zero fucks to give because she was aware that there was a chance it would be seen and still she moved in with the kisses and hugs.

Smooth operator ( sorry couldn’t help myself 😘)

N.B. Real life happens, I’m not here hitting refresh 24/7.

I’ve enjoyed reading the experts trying to make it make sense. The discomfort is real.

Caitriona forcing herself to get through a few hours of non work ( but it kinda was) with a co star she has barely tolerated these past few years and what do we see, deep down love and affection.

As as it’s often screeched ‘photos or it didn’t happen’ well we have video footage!!

[outlanderskin]

If anyone had doubts (regarding the Anon sent to @sgiandubh ) , it was true... They don't need to have any more. Damage containment activated: 🙃🙃🙃 give me all the popcorn

[margareth-lv]

😇🤡 She was a secular saint, and he was a clown 🤡😇

It's a good day already. The kissing scene from the Taylor Swift concert has done its job (@sgiandubh, you're a true treasure of our fandom!).

Well, here we are in June 2024, Caitríona has been 'married' to Mr McWalking Dead for almost five years and not more than a week ago Sam was strolling hand in hand with a trollop (quoting Jenny Murray), he in the gutter, she with her mouth taped shut.

And suddenly our two lovebirds are kissing in public like two teenagers in love. She, a 'married woman' of considerable experience, he, a prostitute's client.

You know what I think? I think that true love always wins. And I say this as a grown-up woman, as a mother of children, as an adult with a serious job.

I am not some kind of exalted teenager, and yet I believe that true love will triumph over hate and contempt, over all kinds of negative energy. All obstacles can be overcome by the power of love.

*** *** ***

So it's a good day because that's what I'm here for. I am here for love, however lofty that may sound. I'm not here for Caitríona, nor am I here for Sam. I have no interest in either of them individually.

I am drawn to the energy and power that comes from their interaction. True love is bigger and more important than the people involved.

*** *** ***

And why some people only support one of our loving couple, I just don't understand.

She's 'too good' to go to a Taylor Swift concert?

🤦🏻‍♀️

(I think that at that concert, in order to comply with any sanitary restrictions, she kissed him through a plastic bag, or at least sprayed him in the face with disinfectant before putting her tongue between his teeth. She certainly did it, you have my guarantee. Take my word for it. Even if you can't see it clearly in the video.)

Yes, she is a secular saint.

After all, she 'married' a guy who did not love her and showed her no tenderness. Only a saint could have sacrificed so much.

Well, when I think of Caitríon's 'sanctity', I think in images. So this scene from The Wolf immediately comes to my mind.

😏

And what about him? Well, yes, he is a clown. At least since May 2012.

*** *** ***

He goes out with a prostitute. He walks around with a handbag of blonde Valkyria from Glasgow. He goes out drinking with 20-somethings. He doesn't know how to have relationships because his father hurt him when he was a child.

Yes, he is a complete clown. He's a whole bloody circus.

But the power of love will overcome any obstacle.

[Photos courtesy of @sgiandubh and @diggsydogsquee. Thank you, ladies, for your work!]

[12 June, 2024]

[odessa-2]

I bet C had fans come up on stage because people would be less likely to ask inappropriate or troubling questions in the hot seat looking her in the eye.

That's not a bad theory Anon. It's not easy to look someone in the eye on stage and try to masterfully pry and call out their bullshit. And Cait would certainly be feeling low key paranoid at these fan events. Not to worry though; she has that douche bag handler Steve who is more than ready to ring the narrative bell and save her.

On another note, and something that I found rather interesting, it was reported by Sgiandubh, who received her information from people on the ground, that Cait was very 'touchy feely' and a "hugger" during her interactions with fans. This analysis or characterisation was also shared by many other fans who attended the same event. Many have been gushing over how cuddly and tactile Caitriona is.

So someone please answer me this. If Caitriona McGill can give her fans (who are total strangers) warm and fuzzy hugs and cuddles in public and as much as 3 hugs each, which requires full body contact, then why the fuck does she look like this every single time she is with her supposed husband? 👇👇

Why is her body language configured in a way that is literally the antithesis to tactile and a "hugger"? Why does she look repulsed at the thought of touching him? And why is it that it's only around her supposed husband that she looks like she has a 10 foot pole rammed up her backside? Of course these are rhetorical questions.

She herself had said that "Sam is a great hugger" and "gives the best hugs." The girl clearly values a good hug. Tony couldn't give a fuck let alone a hug 😜

[sassytoonlass]

Leather bracelets you mentioned yesterday @sgiandubh I counted them when watching the video and on the screen shot

5 metal beads 🙂 just saying!!!! 😂😂😂

[balfeheughanmm]

I am just here to tell you I love a lot Sam and Caitríona and I don’t care about their intimacy lives

They should share (and indeed they do it) to public or fans what they think it is appropriate

So you will never see me writing any comment about their possible friendship or other personal events

And I am not a typical fan

I never followed any actor’s lives and I am happy with my decision and education. We love all kind of cinema an Hollywood became predominant so I am an avid movie follower but not for their lives

I had a busy and very interesting life so I am glad with my choices

But I ask : are people trying still hurt Sam Heughan life ? It is annoying ; Sam is a lovely and the most tender man in my imagination

Best Wishes ❤️❤️❤️

hey! 🖤

nice to meet you! well, i don't think i’m an interesting person to answer questions on tumblr because i don't usually find my thoughts relevant to someone, but i want to start with something that my dear friend @sgiandubh said about it. explains very well what happens to s:

“I think this obsession is all about thwarted fantasies. Destroy what you so desire but can obviously never have. Demolish someone else's secret garden because you think you have the power to do it. Deny, deny, deny. And ridicule anyone who dares to question your methods, your purpose, your ethics.”

i don't judge anyone. i wont jugde s or c or anyone. i didn't come to this world for this. i really can't do it. while there are some people who i don't know how they go to sleep at night and don't feel bad about doing what they do. i think it’s so strange that with a dream and a gift, so many bad things come along with. it's really sad imagine that you had the dream of working with what you love, developed your gift until it became recognized, worked really hard, achieved your career and at the same time so many bad things happen: your life, your certainties, your character... people try to take that away from you, questioning all of this. they point the finger and don't imagine what this can do to your mental health, how much it hurts or doesn't hurt, how much it hurts the people around you and your family.

it's a fact that sometimes he does things that are not right in our eyes: yes, he just looks like a beautiful angel without sins and mistakes. he just seems like it, but he isn't. he makes mistakes every day, he sins, he is made of flesh and blood (as some seem to forget and think they have the right to judge him as they wish). and yes: some things that i have read before, that i read now and that i will read about him are simply not justified and never will be. there is no justification for attacks. i say and repeat. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR ATTACKS.

i've said it before and i'll say again: there's only love here. here, in my place as a fan and as a shipper, there is only genuine respect and affection. here i accept. here i love, not only s but c just as much. there is forgiveness here, not just for them but for everyone who needs it from me and i wish i could be forgiven as well. here i have the peace of being at peace. there is truth here. and in the midst of this big lie, i found deep truths in them, that can’t be denyed. and that's why i got here and i intend to continue.

there is still beauty in the world and i am part of it. you can call me silly, deluded and childish, but they can know that good things and good feelings still exist in the world. no judgement. no hate. no pointing the finger. that doesn't exist here. and i wish courage, bravery, boldness, love, peace. of being, of feeling. for s. for c. for you all.

[luhafraser]

Do you know what @sgiandubh is hinting at?

A sighting of Sam and Cait in Glasgow🤯

How the hell am I supposed to know that? You should ask her, not me! 😉

But in response to you Anon, I give you my opinion about sightings...

A sighting of Sam and Cait in Glasgow only if it was "Jamie and Claire wedding night" style to make a difference in this fandom (but I don't think that many would believe it anyway). 😜🤣

Sam and Cait live/work in Glasgow, it wouldn't be unusual they are seen there (as they have been before). Even "Coffee Run" pics didn't exactly prove shippers point, did it?! I think a sighting in Kathmandu would have more impact, you know?! 😜🤣

[katmate6]

Apologies

I apparently offended @sgiandubh by commenting/questioning @bcacstuff and have been blocked. I did not by any means intend on supporting that person who has spoken against sgiandubh. I don't follow that person nor have I ever visited their blog. When it's a question I have, or an observation I've made, that I only want to ask privately, it's been sgiandubh I message. That's who I trust. I don't argue on social media. I try my best not to take sides on internal debates here. It's not my style. Anything that I have posted that offended ANYONE I apologize for. From the bottom of my heart I did not intend to. I'm not a social media savvy or active person. I have few that I follow. For the first time in my life, I have taken to a TV show. M y primary interest is Outlander and a true follower of Sam and Caitriona. So please forgive me and pass along my sincere apologies to sgiandubh.

[outlanderfandomfollies]

The faux "funeral receipts" the extreme shippers use are most certainly NOT "undebunkable" 🙄

Someone recently sent me this comment by a SamCait shipper regarding my debunk of the "funeral receipts."

Hi @sgiandubh. It is interesting that you claim to have read my debunk of the "funeral photos" on my main Contemplating Outlander (CO) blog, even though those debunks are not on that blog (which is no longer an Outlander blog). Instead, they are on my side blog, Outlander Fandom Follies, which I have been using to post debunks during the past three years.🤔

For those who don't know, I shipped SC for two months in the spring of 2015, until I figured out that they weren't a couple. (It really wasn't hard to figure out--as long as one was willing to SEE the mountain of evidence that the ship wasn't real.)

Although I understand the appeal of shipping, I also understand one has to use pretzel logic to keep believing in the SC ship. Especially now that we definitely know that C and T got married 4 years ago in a Roman Catholic ceremony (confirmed by the MC that some fans got from the GRO--which, BTW, cannot send out copies of a "fake" MC).

IT'S JUST NOT REAL: The bottom line is that after C married T, the SC conspiracy that supports the SC ship has become a bizarre belief that has no basis in reality.

As S said in the IFH: "You know... it's just-- It's not real."**

Despite sgiandubh's protestations that the "funeral receipts" are "undebunkable," those of us who haven't chosen to get lost down the SC rabbit hole know they are false "receipts," based on shipper wishful thinking. This is because:

C is married to T and NOT to S.

Screenshots of someone's back (or screenshots where one otherwise cannot see someone's face) are not sufficient to definitely identify anyone. (Haven't you ever mistaken someone from the back, and when they turned around you realized they were someone else?🤷🏻‍♀️) Furthermore, we certainly have lots of examples of S and C "receipts" that later turned out not to be S or C, but instead, just someone who looked like S or C from the back or from a distance.

S's hairline on the side of his forehead does NOT match the guy's in the funeral video, which is more rounded. (However, C's brother K's hairline matches.) In addition, S's hair had been shaved down at that time and the man's hair in the video wasn't shaved (and neither was K's hair). To rationalize away that inconvenient fact, the shippers claimed S had to have been wearing a "wig." 🙄 Sorry, but if the ONLY way you can make a person in a screencap "receipt" match the person you want them to be is to claim that they must have been wearing a "wig," your "receipt" is NOT in the realm of "undebunkable."

Although some shippers say that the guy in the video could not be C's brother K, because he doesn't have the right build, I disagree. First of all K is a big guy (and we don't know what he looks like from the back). Second, some of the "bulk" in the screencaps appears to be due to fuzzy resolution. Someone sent me a very clear screencap, and the guy's body build looked less bulky and more like K's build. In addition, if K was wearing a jacket with shoulder pads, his back would have seemed wider.

The woman in the funeral video whom the shippers say is S's mother CH, has much blonder hair than CH. And CH has only worn her hair in that exact style a few times. I also think the two women's body shapes and heights are different. (I go into more detail about all of this under the cut.)

Finally, it seems pretty clear that S was in Mexico on Aug.10, 2022. (You can read why @bcacstuff claims that S was in Mexico the evening of Aug. 10th in her comment in the reblog of this POST).

See POST 1, POST 2, POST 3 for some detailed debunks (from myself and others) about the funeral "receipts."

See below the cut for:

A more detailed "CH funeral receipt" debunk.

Some more detail about the "S funeral receipt" debunk.

How confirmation bias impacts the outcome of shipper searches for "receipts," often leading them to find false receipts of random people whom they assume are S or C.

More reasons why I don't believe the ship is real.

Why I believe the SC shipper beliefs are based on the 5 common (false) tinhat beliefs that have been found in tinhat groups across fandoms.

How Confirmation Bias Skews the SamCait Shipper "Receipt" Searches

THE PROBLEM WITH "SEARCHING" FOR "RECEIPTS": The SamCait shippers didn't just "happen" to see someone in the funeral video whose back vaguely looked like S's. They went purposely hunting through grainy funeral video footage for someone who resembled S--because in the obituary, the reference to T (and not S) as a son-in-law had freaked them out. In other words, they were looking for reassurance that the ship was "real."

Confirmation bias is the tendency to overvalue information that supports one’s beliefs and to undervalue or overlook information that does not. When one goes searching for something, confirmation bias will often lead one to see what one wants to see.  

I believe the false "funeral receipts" involving S and his mother CH are examples of how confirmation bias resulted in shippers being led astray.

A MORE DETAILED DEBUNK OF THE CH "FUNERAL RECEIPT": The CH "funeral receipt" is very easy to debunk. The reality is the shippers found a woman with light blonde hair and a hairdo that CH sometimes wears and must have decided that no other woman in the world wears that hairdo.🤦🏻‍♀️

However, if you just do a quick google search for CH, you will see that she has worn her hair all sorts of ways and not always the way the woman wore it in the funeral video. As can be seen in the thumbnail photos below, CH's hair color is also much darker than the light blonde hair of the woman in the video. Finally, the body shape (and possibly height) of the two women don't seem to match (at least in my opinion).

Regardless, IMHO to claim that that woman in the funeral video was definitely CH is a real stretch.

AN ADDITIONAL DEBUNK OF THE "S FUNERAL RECEIPT": I believe that the man that C is next to at the funeral mass is most likely her brother K or some other relative. Shippers claim that K doesn't have the right build. However, earlier in this post, I explained why I still thought it was likely K. In addition, I previously also explained why K's hairline and hair length better match the man in the video than S's hairline and hair length. (And no, I don't believe that was S in a "wig."🤦🏻‍♀️)

K also has a large forehead like S and like the man in the video.

Also, at least when I looked at the video, the few times you could see the mystery man turn slightly, he didn't have S's cheekbones. (And no, I'm not going to post pictures of the guy from the funeral or of K to prove my point--it just feels like a step too far into intrusiveness to do so, especially regarding screenshots from a video at a family funeral. I acknowledge that there is some hypocrisy on my part, because I'm writing about what I saw when I looked at the video and screencaps people sent me. But somehow that seems like a lesser offense. 🤷🏻‍♀️)

Finally, as I've said before, we have countless examples of how extreme shippers touted blurry photos, or photos of the back of someone, as being SC “receipts” that were later debunked when we got a better look at the person they were claiming was either S or C.  A few examples are: Faux S at the Women’s March in Jan. 2017; Faux S at the Delpozo NYFW show in Sept. 2017; Faux S in Paris in Oct. 2016; the 3 Faux Cs (yes 3) at the Laophroaig anniversary event in Sept. 2015; and a Faux C and a Faux CH (S's Mom) at the National Theater in August 2015.

In conclusion, it is just not true for SC shippers to claim that the screencaps/ gifs/ video clips of the back of a man or a woman with a blonde hairdo at the funeral are "undebunkable," and therefore must be S and CH. It is much more reasonable to assume that the man in the video was either C's brother K or another family member, and the woman was just some unknown relative or friend of the family.

THIS Is "Tinhat" Shipping

THE SC SHIP IS A "TINHAT" SHIP: The current SC shipper beliefs are a form of "tinhat shipping" (based on 5 common (false) tinhat beliefs) that exists across many fandoms.

Sometimes it is easier to see how off-the-wall these beliefs can be if they are seen from a distance from one's own fandom. So let's see how these beliefs play out in a different fandom: the Twilight fandom, and the Robsten "tinhat" ship.

THE ROBSTEN "TINHAT" SHIP: Perhaps the closest parallel to the current SC shipper beliefs are the beliefs of the Twilight Robsten shippers. The Robstens believe that Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson are secretly married with children, despite the fact that Robert has been dating Suki Waterhouse for 5 years, and Kristen has been in a lesbian relationship with her fiancée Dylan Meyer for four years.

Sounds (and looks) familiar, doesn't it?

BTW, in terms of finding "receipts," the Robstens do something very similar to what the SC extreme shippers (ES) do. According to Bustle:

Several [Robsten] blogs scour paparazzi photos of either celebrity for bystanders that resemble their "partner."

No wonder, the Robstens are so off-base with their beliefs about Robert and Kristen.

Other Reasons Why the SC Ship Isn't Real

THE SAMCAIT CONSPIRACY WOULD NOT BE LEGAL: First of all, there is no legal way in this day and age that TPTB could force two B/C-list actors to "hide" a relationship/ marriage and "3-5 boos" for nearly 10 years--while simultaneously being forced to date others and (in C's case to "pretend" to be married to T).

THE SC CONSPIRACY ISN'T PLAUSIBLE: In addition, none of the variations on the SC conspiracy theory make any sense. They don't meet the basic criteria that John Stewart proposed to determine whether a conspiracy could be plausible.

For instance, it would be completely impractical to hide an entire family for years, swear countless friends, family, colleague, teachers, babysitters, fans with camera phones, etc. to secrecy, and make two B/C-list stars "pretend" to date/be married to others and to spend holidays apart, etc. All to "hide" a romance that would actually be a publicity goldmine for the show.

There is a point where anyone with any common sense knows that such a weird belief just isn't real. The SC ship hit that mark years ago.

I don't care how much "evidence" the SC shippers come up with to support their ship. It won't change my mind because the underlying premise of the SC ship is not plausible.

When a belief isn't true, you know the "receipts" used to support it are based on the true believers "seeing" what they want to see.

That makes ALL of the SamCait "receipts" debunkable.

NOTE: I don't often write full debunks anymore, but I do so when I feel that the shippers have crossed boundaries regarding C, T, and S. In addition, I have always done debunks to help fence sitters and new fans avoid making the mistake of falling down the SC rabbit hole. Finally, I also do it for the seasick shippers who are just tired of the ups and downs of the ship and who are looking for a way off.

[edited]

____________ IMAGE SOURCES: 1) "It's just not real" gif source; 2) "Sam in Mexico" video source; 3) "People don't really want the truth" meme source (before minor edits); 4) CH image search source; 5) video source (before edits) for the "It's just not true" gif; 6) "Robsten manip" source (before edits); 7) video source (before edits) for the "That's not legal" gif; 8) video source for "conspiracy plausibility" screenshot; 9) video source (before edits) for the "You know that isn't true" gif **Below are links to some other posts that explain why I am so sure that the SC ship isn't real:

A general debunk of the rationale behind all the SC conspiracy theories can be found HERE.

This POST explains the ways in which SC shipper leaders have manipulated their followers in order to keep the ship afloat, and how current SC shipper beliefs are right out of the tinhat shipper playbook.

A partial list of past debunks of SC "receipts" can be found HERE.

This POST (only found on the web version of my CO blog) lists some old posts that explain why one cannot believe what one thinks one sees between two romantic leads based on interviews, PR events, behind-the-scenes photos/videos, etc.

There are many other posts that you can find if you look at the "Pages About Fandom and Blog" on the web version of my Outlander Fandom Follies side blog.

[sgiandubh]

No lies last forever, part 2: the (over)due confirmation

With the Happy Sad Confused Tenth Anniversary Live Special being made available online, I think all doubts have now been lifted about the entire Intergalactic Bullshit this fandom has been deliberately fed for years and years in a row, by a cheap, sad troll and his accomplice. Both imbeciles' determination being only matched by the cast's complete indifference to fandom drama and, as I already wrote (https://www.tumblr.com/sgiandubh/764711074507390976/no-lies-last-forever?source=share), ***'s incompetent, tone-deaf PR.

You can watch the entire recording here, by the way:

The part where S specifically addresses his (non-existent) 'friendship' with William Shatner has been explicitly planted by the end of Jack Quaid's dedicated segment. That it has been discussed and planned prior to the show is obvious. And this time, Josh Horowitz wasn't even subtle - he announced the topic way before it 'spontaneously' popped into the conversation (39:42):

Transcription follows:

Josh Horowitz (JH): 'So, what's the dream for further voiceover roles, do you want a Pixar movie, do you want Outlander -the cartoon, what do you want?'

[laughter throughout the panelists]

S: 'Oh, I'm a Star Trek fan, actually' [women in the audience boo and shout - I wonder why, seriously], 'I am a Star Trek fan, I grew up watching Next Gen, so maybe Below Decks is... come on, guys.. '

[Note: yeah, he's such a fan, he has no idea the correct name of the cartoon spin-off, in which Jack Quaid has a voiceover role, is Star Trek: Lower Decks]

JH: 'We'll get him out in a second' [note: Jack Quaid], we'll talk some Star Trek, amazing...'

See? Not even subtle, if you ask me. I think this is something S wanted out for a good while now. It doesn't erase or even ease the pain and the trauma brought to so many people in this fandom by a pair of idiotic bullies, but I think it was very brave of him and, at any rate, it's better later than never.

And so, I waited. And waited. And waited. And then, here it went (01: 02: 54):

JH (consulting notes):' Um, we also should mention Star Trek: Lower Decks, we talked Star Trek a little bit earlier...'

Jack Quaid (JQ):'And, by, the way, this is the last season of Lower Decks, but we would have loved to have you! What the fuck, I didn't know you watched the show! [inaudible, if someone caught it properly, something like 'that was so close', I'd love to know more and especially who said it - thank you] Unbelievable!'

S: ' That is so cool, man!'

JQ: 'Oh, thank you, dude! Oh, yeah, hey, let's get rendered (?), let's do this, we keep going, let's get him on, let's do it!'

JH: 'Isn't...isn't William Shatner a big Outlander fan? I feel like he is...'

S (very uneasy): 'Ah... erm... yeah... (scratches back of his head)...I hung out with him once, we went to his stables and I watched him like riding a horse and stuff.... And, I don't know, it was really weird, cause sometimes I wonder if I am speaking to him via messages and stuff, or if it's actually his assistant [JQ: 'oooh!'], I don't know...'

JQ: 'Does his assistant look a lot like him?'

S (chuckles): 'Kind of...Yeah, you can't tell them apart. Yeah, no, but I believe he was a fan, until he saw me ride'.

Despite the jocular tone, I think everything is pretty much clear, here. Definitely a prepared conversation, despite Horowitz's efforts to make it sound playful and spontaneous. Something he even took prior notes about and made sure to include in the panel - nothing more serious than that, in fact. As for the sad cretin mentioned there, what would be left to say... S sent the guy to Coventry in barely two phrases and actually poked fun at his appearance and demeanor ('you can't tell them apart'). So long for the fictional 'friendship' and 'communication' between S and The Assistant, so long for the braggadocio that horrible little man exhibited all the way, pretending he actually had a personal relationship with S (well, as we all see, he actually doesn't: he doesn't even have a name, in S's book, as acquaintances, let alone friends, do). His only claim to fame was what, in reality? Answering some X DMs sent by S to his employer? Hello? How about his threats, then? How about his repeated calumny of people he didn't even know, calling them 'crazies', 'in need of medical attention', etc?

And please, don't come after me with that sorry excuse that 'it's S's humor'. There was nothing humorous about it and I have proven it already.

I will leave you draw your own conclusions about the non existent friendship with Shatner, something that has probably been 'encouraged' ex nihilo by *** and taken to dramatic cheapness and conflict with and within this fandom by The Assistant himself, mainly, and his friend, the OG Troll. I do not remember hearing/seeing Shatner himself saying all those horrible things (please correct me if I am wrong), so until I am proven the contrary, it's only logical to have many thoughts and questions about these people's strange, very strange obsession with OL and its two main co-stars.

Not to mention the most idiotic threat I have ever read in this fandom. Something I fell upon by absolute chance this morning. I mean, I couldn't even believe people actually bought such primitive, kindergarten bullshit:

[July 29th, 2017]

' Do you still want OL to continue or not, people?'

Empty, illogical threats: why would *** cancel its actual cash cow show, just because two co-stars had something SO obvious, that people realized there was more than the official narrative to it? And what about the crazy story about Albrecht & co. investigating and allegedly menacing fans with going to court? Has this cretin ever realized the potential media scandal would have far outweighed the inanity of such a claim? That it could very well have a serious impact on ***'s company profile and future projects, even?

I really, really think both of these Unsavory Clowns should find another playground and another obsession to cling on (wasn't the first, would not be the last). Elsewhere. In a galaxy far, far away.

PS: Thank you, regular attendee who bravely spilled the tea and thank you, old shipper who came forward and confirmed. And many heartfelt thanks to all of you shippers, old and new, who also bravely stepped forward with their personal take on everything these two have done to this place.

Dare we hope this is the beginning of the end? What is sure, is that no lies last forever. Or as we say in Romanian: minciuna are picioare scurte și adevărul o ajunge/'a lie's got short legs and truth will always catch up with it'.

[Later edit]: edited to add a new, improved clip that actually does include the entire conversation.

[samheughanswife]

Riddle Me This

Sam was in 🇦🇺, Bondi Beach and its surrounds for a minimum of 7 days. Offline by choice on his public IG.

Why did he not retroactively follow muscular women gym rats? Why was there no anons and DM’s to the two duelling accounts about sightings and connections? One Dutch account in particular has previously been used to generate the frenzy of speculation. The other, well she is just a joke and of no value to Sam on this forum.

We are talking Bondi Beach bikini babes, fitness influencers. Bondi and Santa Monica are same same, with minimal differences. Gym, beach scene literally on steroids.

As seen from the photo I shared of Sam in the North Bondi gym he was working out in a grace and favour arrangement with the gym. As well as running the Bondi 2 Bronte coast walk. Most likely all the way to Coogee. Duncan included photos of Gordon’s Bay on his to way to Coogee beach. Yet there not a single sighting of Sam doing beach things.

Not one single anon drop or DM to cooperative tumblr accounts who fuel the laugh out loud latest single white ( they always are) female hook up with Sam.

As soon as Sam Roland is back in 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 it’s game on again. As @sgiandubh has posted you can see what’s at play here. To quote Debbie Harry a bleach blonde 😉 “ Paris is Calling”. LandCon coming 💳🔭🧿

It’s all a Con ladies. And just like all cons the grifter relies on the lure of FOMO to profit handsomely.

As the man himself said once, “I suggest you ignore”.

[scullyloves-science]

@sgiandubh

I think you can actually see the sun slowly rising in this one.

[margareth-lv]

🐇 Follow the White Rabbit 🐇

Having been led by the hand of @sgiandubh into the safe confines of the public registers of commercial companies, I can't resist the pleasure of writing a postscript to what I wrote a few weeks ago about the surprising choice of church where the 'Remarkable' Wedding was supposed to take place.

Here we go with the head office address of Numb Music Productions Ltd, a dynamically developing company owned by Mr McNobody and his family:

*** *** ***

Of course, we've all seen this address before, though not on Sam Heughan's 'redacted for privacy', but on another copy of the so-called 'Certified Copy of an Entry of Marriage', available on Tumblr.

I admire the level of denial on the part of all those who still insist that the so-called 'marriage' with Mr McNobody is a legal one.

PS. I'm afraid I can't identify where this particular 'Certified Copy of an Entry of Marriage' came from. I honestly can't remember where I found it. It was a long time ago. My apologies.

[23 February, 2024]

[its-moopoint]

The King of Double Entendre strike again and shippers are besides themselves with happiness. The comments are laughable.

https://www.tumblr.com/sgiandubh/742336462898561024/two-stories

Yes they are dumb indeed. Someone should tell them how IG stories work and how when you post it you are online they upload one after the other. Much as they want a hidden message the gist is buy my alcohol and watch my show, aka give me your money and attention.

It's hilarious they claim to be experts at reading messages sent out and yet somehow they don't know how to read an official wedding certificate.

[sassytoonlass]

Hi @sgiandubh had a bit of but fun with the braided rope ring meaning 😂😂