#seunghan being on hiatus was also bc of them

[bandzboy]

pannchoa just exist to start unnecessary discourse and to ruin careers and when i tell you they are not needed and should genuinely be sued i mean that

[winwintea]

You do realize that by boycotting riize as a whole you guys risk them being disbanded or put on hiatus for a long as time like fx? You are quite literally killing these 6 other boys career bc sm killed one of their careers. I get the situation sucks but come on people it’s fucking SM they don’t care abt international fans.

anon it is everyone's own personal decision on whether or not to boycott. i do not hold it against anyone if they choose to or choose not to.

personally, i am choosing to boycott, because as someone who has supported sm artists since 2018, i am tired of the treatment these idols have been facing. you must understand here that we are not boycotting with ill-intent to jeopardize their careers. sm is an extremely greedy company. for a company to advertize a group such as riize as a global company but neglect the opinions of international fans is really quite stupid. and there's not a very large chance sm would disband them or put them on hiatus. f(x)'s example is not the same, as the group faded out because the members themselves didn't really want to focus on music that much. (sulli and krystal had turned to acting, victoria got popular in china, while luna and amber just kinda phased out themselves with their solo careers)

in a roundabout way, the boycott is also a way to protect the members or any other idol sm currently has. everyone cares about the boys and we want to see them flourish. but this situation will be used as an excuse for knetz to get whatever they want. in all my years of stanning kpop, i've never seen a situation get this extreme, and it's only going to get worse. if another dumb controversy occurs, one that is equally stupid as this seunghan one, then knetz will protest and huzzah, we lose another precious idol. sm is also a big figure in the industry, that other companies will follow suit and if anything happens to your favs that's not aligned with what knetz wants then they're on the chopping block as well.

you are so correct in your point about sm not caring about international fans, but they're also greedy as hell. not only did sm allow knetz to bully seunghan by keeping those funerary wreaths there, they also heard that ot6 briize was going to boycott and well they don't want to lose money right? ot7 briize generally outnumbers ot6 briize, and as i've stated before i'm so done with sm's bullshit.

sorry for the long ass yap, but i respect your opinion anon, and you can choose to disagree with me and say that it will still jeopardize their careers, but i am firm in these beliefs at the moment.

[sakura-cat-nightmare]

I need to rant on here for a second bc WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH KOREAN KPOP FANS?!?!?!?! They are making such a big drama out of everything

First we have yoongis scooter thing

Where he drove an E-scooter, 500 meters while being drunk and then fell in front of his home while trung to get of the scooter (i dont exactly know how high his blood alcohol content was tbh bc some say it was around 0,02 other sources say it was 0,08 and i also saw one article saying it was 0,22)

I can absolutely understand that people are disappointed bc he is an idol and he should be a role model. i myself think he just shouldn't have done it at all if he didn't know for sure if it was allowed. Or he should at least have checked if driving an e scooter after drinking was allowed.

But he got his punishment by getting his license reworked (and he paid a fine) , which is absolutely fair bc he did something that was against the law. Also, he apologized 3 times (or was it 4 idk)

The thing is that now many K "Armys" want him to leave Bts...and that is something I can't understand. Like yes, he did something that was wrong, and that needs to be criticized, but in my opinion, that is no reason for him to leave the band. He didn't harm anyone, he got his punishment he He realized his mistake and apologized (3 TIMES) and now K Armys want to kick him out of the group ?!? SORRY but no.

....

And the other thing that makes me mad is RIIZE. Seunghan (a Member) went on a Hiatus bc private pics were leaked in wich u could see him smoking and kissing a girl. (Tbh making someone take a "break" bc of this is already stupid) but now he left RIIZE and K"Fans" are happy about it ?!?!?

WHAT THE HECK??? HE KISSED A GIRL AND SMOKED ... that's not a crime.

I really think that KFans and Kmedia need to take a step back and realize that their Idols are also just humans who make mistakes. [Obviously, i mean "mistakes" like these two. There is no discussion when it comes to r*pe, SA, and other things]

The other thing WHY are they focusing Yoongi and Seunghan but kinda ignoring the whole Taeil situation???? Like he did way way worse (s*x crime) than them, and still there is no one sending grave flowers to him... no no no send them to yoongi and seunghan

There also happened many other things where kmedia and fans just don't say anything or at least not like this [Hyuna ...]

I hope it was some how understandable what I was trying to say. English is not my native language and I'm kinda emotional about this topic.

In the end, I wanna say that I don't support drunk driving in any form and that i think u should definitely know your law or at least use common sense and just not do it. But I still don't see it as a reason for someone to leave their group. You can criticize him, be disappointed, and all but sending funeral flowers saying he should leave the group seems a bit so much.

[antoncore]

🤭🤭anton definitely was popping his pussy during talk saxy era idk what got into him then but since then he has grown quite a lot with his overall stage presence, they all look so confident n happy on stage they’re all literally glowing!!! and yeah.. i wish seunghan was there, too, he’d have eaten up all of their releases since his hiatus started but i’ve said this before and i stand by it, i wish him the best, i hope he’s doing well and taking his time (and i hope sm isn’t using him as a marketing pawn..) and if he wants to come back then he will be welcomed back with open arms<333 they all deserve the best at the end of the day and i want them all to be happy n healthy

- 🧸 anon

i hope he’s well too!! and all the little clues alluding to him coming back (like there being 7 things, gaps being left for him, being included in talk saxy etc) give me small hope that he will come back. at the same time i can’t help but think sm is doing this to trick us all and that rlly annoys me :( i just rlly think they need to give a definitive statement instead of keep dodging the question. honestly atp i wouldn’t be surprised if he left off his own accord bc of all the shit he’s been through and didn’t want to be an idol anymore but i’ll always support him no matter what.

also currently thinking abt hot summer days in the pool with anton :( would be so relaxing ahhh

[dojae-huh]

hi! briize here to answer ur riize qns :D

riize gained attention initially due to 1) sungchan & shotaro & their new grp 2) a bit bc of anton being yoon sang's son and 3) siren mv because of their difficult choreo!

personally, their success in enlargening their fanbase probably came from tiktok as well? i saw them getting viral in tiktok due to the get a guitar challenge, sohee's talk saxy bridge & anton being 'riize's tiktok social manager' since he (and the members) were rly active in liking and commenting briize's tiktoks + creating rly gen z tiktoks w themselves too

their mainstream success probably came from 1) their performances (they debuted nearing towards award season, so they did a lot of performances i.e. rising sun by tvxq which highlighted their proficiency a lot) & 2) the members' visuals going viral (i.e. wonbin & sungchan who are constantly getting mentioned by hong seokcheon)

riize has rly become monster rookies since they debuted, earning rookie of the year titles less than 6 months of their debut. sohee is being lauded by his seniors for his vocals, wonbin is constantly on the spotlight for being a 'once in a generation' visual who's likened to jaejoong (and jaejoong knows this as well).

and although most news do center on seunghan's situation, that still pushes riize's name to the forefront, esp when it comes to briize's relentless support (rii7e forever 🥹)

and yes, there's no leader! they don't exactly have set titles aside from the basic dancer, vocal, rapper (sohee's the only one labeled as 'main' as the main vocal!)

riize's name was formed by sungchan, and riize as a group was set to debut due to a choreo by shotaro & wonbin which the 7 of them did together. they still don't have a full album yet, and is going to comeback in april iirc?

hope i was coherent and it's helpful 😭

Hi, thank you for the detailed overview!

So several factors contributed: virality of challenges and choreo, timing of the debut, members' visuals. It's interesting that Anton supervises tiktok, heh. SM's early attempts at using the platform for promotion were very clumsy, the staff didn't know what to do, while few neos, aside from Tae, are interested in tt. Younger people are needed, who grew up with the platform and know it and its algorythms well.

I'm somewhat baffled about Seunghan's situation. I'd think he is on hiatus to let the group go through the debut stage more smoothly, have time to gain strength and a dedicated core fanbase, however, other members also get accused of things. And the fandom seems to stand with him, asking for OT7. Taeyong was also hated by knets during the debut, SM didn't remove him. Demands to get rid of Irene, Chen also were ignored. Which makes me think that either Seunghan's mental state plummeted and he asked for a leave himself. Or there are more idols and companies involved, I heard a rumour that one of the winners of Girls planet was taken out from the final debutet line-up (Illit) due to her connection to Seunghan's group of friends.

How dooes Riize function without a leader? Fans invented positions in the first place, and, as far as I know, NCT got theirs with a delay. It seems that it's a 5gen trend for groups to not have fixed positions.

A full album is too early. It takes a couple of years for a group to make one. Some groups never release a full album. But, perhaps, you meant an EP? I see only singles in their discography. 4 songs with language versions + 1 special project.

Wish also started with singles. So did aespa, actually. Seems like a new strategy in SM. 127's first EPs are poorely know. People buy/download single songs, and often don't look into the whole discography.

[hyukalyptus]

yeah i hope he comes back! i don't like not knowing and honestly it is something that like holds me back from like ~fully getting into them~ lmao and also like ?? im just being a nosy bitch but i SO wanna know about his convos w soobin bc like seunghan's on a hiatus and hybe didn't even acknowledge any of soobin's drama lmfao. i wanna know if seunghan resents him at all or if soobin feels bad LOL. this is rly just me being annoying and nosy but ya i WANNA KNOW!! they seemed like besties so im just curious hahaha

anyway- i fr didn't know it went viral?? lol alrighty and i forgot to mention that yes i am a talk saxy hater and thats tea.

hp hi!!! didjfjfn the way i came one your profile and yeonjun gave me a heart attack but that is so stinking cute agh!! but omg when i came back here a month ago, the day after something happened in my country ( like no internet for 8 days) and i had to take a hiatus again so I'm soo sorry for not replying but wait you're getting into riize as well?? whose caught your eye??

qiwi!!! im so happy to hear from you! im so sorry that happened to you, that must have been really difficult~ i hope everything is getting better.

but yes!! i love riize rn! i don't know all their names but obvIOUSLY wonbin (u were right) and sohee!! and also seunghan if he ever comes back :( (i dont keep up with the drama pls dont attack me!!! all i know is the gf pic and soobin's middle toe but i rly like him)

but yeah~ i remembered i watched talk saxy or whtv tf that was in their debut days when it came out and i hated it! and i still hate it lol, but i really love their recent stuff. i think theyre great dancers and i love their styling