#setomary theories

[fuckyeahkagepro]

a quick summary of Mary+Seto + Saeru (+Azami?) (+HIBIYA?!) theories, pt. 1

PREVIOUSLY:

Saeru: am snake

Saeru: snakes are NOT HUMAN

Saeru: snakes don't know "feelings"

Saeru: snake DO find humans "interesting" (see: Novel 2, Azami's earliest MEMORY is a chat with a SNAKE)

Saeru: not me though

Saeru: humans irritating. do not like

Azami: hi.

SAERU:

Saeru:

Saeru: maybe I'll stick by her for a whi-----

AZAMI: I HATE EVERYONE

AZAMI: WHY IS IT ALWAYS JUST ME

AZAMI: DON'T WANNA LIVE IN THIS WORLD ANYMORE

SAERU:

SAERU:

FAST FORWARD TO THE PRESENT DAY.....:

Saeru: am snake

Saeru: snakes are NOT HUMAN

Saeru: snakes don't know "feelings"

Saeru: snake DO find humans "interesting"

Saeru: not me though

Saeru: snakes DO like "WISHES" though

Saeru: like "wishes". gonna eat them

Saeru: do not like "humans" though------

MARY: ..... need ... help ....

SAERU:

MARY: REWIND ..... TIME ........ p-please ???

Saeru:

Mary: PLEASE

SAERU:

Saeru: but if I do that I have to make you

Saeru: "DESPAIR"

Mary: DO IT

Saeru:

Saeru: ... fine ?

MARY:

TIME: ***** REPEATS *****

Saeru: am snake. snakes are NOT HUMAN snakes don't KNOW "FEELINGS" SNAKES DO-----

MARY:

SAERU:

TIME: ***** REPEATS *****

Saeru: humans irritating. do not lik-----

MARY:

SAERU:

Saeru: ....

MARY: I'M NOT INTERESTED IN A WORLD WHERE I CAN'T LIVE TOGETHER WITH "FRIENDS"

MARY: I ... WANT TO SEE ... [H I M] AGAIN .....

SAERU:

SAERU:

MARY: PLEASE

TIME: ***** REPEATS *****

SAERU: HUMANS IRRITATING. DO NOT LIK-----

SETO:

SAERU:

SETO: ... *** MEKAKUSHI-DAN CHARGE !!! ***

SAERU:

SAERU: :) IF YOU CARE ABOUT HIM THEN USE YOUR MONSTEROUS POWERS

MARY:

SETO:

SAERU: :)

SETO, ONE OF THE MOST BRUTALLY MURDERED IN MOST ROUTES:

MARY: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

TIME: ***** REPEATS *****

Saeru: HUMANS VERY IRRITATING. /DO NOT LIKE/

Mary:

SAERU:

Mary:

SAERU:

Mary: .... p l e a s e

SAERU:

Saeru: am very evil snake

TIME: ***** REPEATS *****

SAERU: CONCLUSION: HUMANS ARE EXTREMELY IRRITATING

SAERU: SNAKES LIKE "WISHES"

SAERU: GONNA EAT THEM

SAERU: HOW DO I ACCOMPLI-----------

HIBIYA, AFTER LOOPING FOR D E C A D E S,:

HIBIYA, AFTER SEEING HIYORI +CO. DIE FOR D E C A D E S,:

HIBIYA, V. V. FAILING TO CONVEY "WISHES":

HIBIYA, NOW A "FUTURE EDITION":

HIBIYA, NOW EVEN AN "ARCHAEOLOGIST"?!!?:

SAERU:

SAERU:

SAERU: B I N G O

TIME: ***** REPEATS *****

Saeru:

Saeru: am very evil snake

HIYORI AND/OR HIBIYA:

SAERU:

HIYORI AND/OR HIBIYA (BOTH): P L E A S E

SAERU:

TIME: **** REPEATS *****

SAERU:

SAERU, REMEMBERING EVERYTHING WITH EACH LOOP:

SAERU:

SAERU: CONCLUSION: KILL

SAERU: KILL ALL -----------

Shintaro: STOP

SAERU:

[sammyskageproblog2]

I found this and I couldn't not do it~ Please, do it yourself too, if you want to!!

First song I heard: Kagerou Daze, but it was the Hetalia version so usually I say it was Summertime Record!

My top 3 songs: from last to first, Additional Memory, Lost time memory and Summertime Record.

My least favorite song: Dead and Seek.

My top 3 PVs: again, from last to first I'd say Yobanashi Deceive, Otsukimi Recital and Lost time memory.

Song I was lastly listening to: ALL OF THEM, but maybe Summertime Record (I love that song, is it that obvious????)

My favorite artist: I love them all, but Sidu's art always gets me ❤

My top 3 ships: from last to first, SetoMary, Azami/Tsukihiko, HaruTaka~

My top 3 characters: from last to first, Momo, Takane, Kano.

Character I like the least: Hiyori. I'm sorry, I know a lot of people like her and the manga made me change my mind about her a little, but she's still definitely the character I like the least.

Character I resemble the most: Kano. I've always been the one listening and trying to help others, but never spoke about themselves. I'm so used to it that even now I can't physically bring myself to talk about how I feel, especially when I don't feel good. And when I finally open up, I feel worse or I don't do it completely.

What makes me similar to Mekakushi Dan members (one trait for each character): I was a very shy kid like Kido, I always try to understand how people feel like Seto, I didn't talk very much when I was younger like Mary, I try to stay energetic around people and cheer others up now like Momo, I was a Tsundere so much like Takane when I was around 14-16 that I'd rather die than think about it, I don't like going out like Shintaro (+ social awkwardness), and I couldn't live in a big, big city just like Hibiya. I can't think of anything for Konoha other than my endless love for food.

Which superpower I’d like to have the most: Takane/Ene's. I feel like you would need a lot of time to be able to manage the other powers? And in the meantime you would suffer so much, just like how it happened to the Dan.

Whose backstory I find the most depressing: probably the Yuukei Quartet as a whole, they suffered too much!!

What I find the most depressing in KagePro in general: THE ETERNAL S U F F E R I N G.

Whose hoodie I want to have the most: oops, I'm biased 🌝 Kano's!

Whom I’d like to have as best friend: Momo, I love her!!

Whom I’d like to have as brother: HARUKAAAA

Whom I’d like to have as sister: Ayano, obviously!!

Whom I’d date: Takane, she's a beautifu waiful!!

Whom I’d marry: STILL T A K A N E!!!!

Whom I’d push into the heat-haze daze: Kuroha, because our children have suffered enough!!

Whom I want to hug the most: Kido, Kano and Seto. It's a big hug, okay.

My favorite media (songs, novel, manga, anime): definitely the novels!

My favorite novel’s volume: AAAAAA I have my top 3. Last place is for Summertime Reload, second place is for Over the Dimension and the first place goes to The Deceiving. I should re-read them, though.

My favorite manga’s volume: the whole storyline of Haruka and Takane. I have to admit it, I don't like the manga as much as the novels but I prefer the manga version of their backstory.

My favorite episode of MCA: the 6th! I liked seeing the Yuukei Quartet, even back then when I didn't know basically anything about the series. Even though I've always hated the way they handled Takane at the end of the episode.

What I liked the most about MCA: probably the voice acting. I think their voices were pretty spot-on. Even recently when I watched Kagerou Daze - in a day's - I still liked the voice acting.

What I disliked the most about MCA: I know KagePro is a series that covers songs, novels, manga and only at the end of it you should watch the anime, but it was the first thing I saw about it and I think they could have handled it better. It's just confusing and I think it was too rushed.

How did I find out about KagePro: I found the MV of Summertime Record and I fell in love instantly, then I discovered the anime was right about to start and I gave it a try. But what made me get really into it were the songs, definitely.

How did I get into the fandom: I don't think I remember exactly? I would say I got into the fandom for real just recently, because I usually enjoy things alone and the only thing I look for are the fanarts!

What I like the most about KagePro: the characters, without any doubt. They became so important to me and everything about the series means so much now. It made me grow as a person, it made me go through a very, very hard time but I think I wouldn't be who I am now if I didn't find out about KagePro in that exact moment of my life.

What I like the most about fandom: again, I'm not that into it even now but the first things that comes to my mind are the many, many talented artists.

What would I tell Jin if I’d met him (and know Japanese): thank you so, so much, Jin. You helped me find friends in these characters and I'm so glad I found out about Kagerou Project.

How did I survive August 15th: oh well it's coming up soon, and if it will be this hot tHAT'S WHAT WILL KILL ME.

Random headcanon: mmmmmh ok, so, I will say this and I know I will get a lot of hate but I think Kano and Kido don't see each other as siblings? I mean, this doesn't necessarily mean I ship them or that everybody should ship them immediately, but I just believe that the relationship Kano and Kido have with Seto individually and the one between each other is different. This could mean lovers or it could mean best friends, you decide. But that's what I've always gotten from them.

Random theory: AYANO'S THE REAL PROTAGONIST BYEEEE

[fuckyeahkagepro]

FRIENDLY REMINDER FRIENDLY REMINDER FRIENDLY REMINDER

WHO WAS LEFT ALIVE AT THE END OF SUMMERTIME RELOAD ? + NOVELS ROUTE IN GENERAL?:

- MARY    (OBVIOUSLY) - SETO    (HELPING MARY) - H I B I Y A ( HELPING ... MARY + SETO ... ... ... ... ... )

[fuckyeahkagepro]

So I Read Parts Of The Summertime Reload Direct Translation And:

SETO, RE MARY: " Ever since that time, I had always been helplessly in love with this girl "

ME, SITTING BACK:

HIYORI, RE HIBIYA: " I'm in love with you "

ME, GAZING UP DIRECTLY AT THE SKY:

ENE, RE A 'SOMEONE' ELSE TO A 'SOMEONE': "That is an UNREQUITED L*O*V*E--" "Yes, in that meantime, you will also meet a wonderful..."

ME, STARING DEEP INTO AN ABYSS WHILE NOT COMMENTING ANYTHING ELSE EVEN THOUGH I VERY MUCH COULD:

MARY: "That's why I’ve been thinking. Together with him [Hibiya]." [...] (Seto thinking): "After that day [of the 'final battle' (against the Snake of Clearing Eyes)], Mary definitely had been using the Abilities to keep up with the plan together with Hibiya-kun." "Surely, his eyes had kept looking into the unfinished future. That was exactly why he had showed up here like this." [...]

ME, "I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE THE VERY START THAT SOMETHING WAS *STILL UP* WITH HIBIYA AMAMIYA????":

Me, glancing back at this blog:

Me:

Me: So How About That Summertime Reload

[fuckyeahkagepro]

( alternate link for the above [a Japanese users’ comparison]: here ) Kagerou Project History / Theories / Questions / Comparisons -> Souzou Forest (“Imagination Forest”) vs. Kuusou Forest (“Fantasy Forest”) & Mekakushi Trio, Shounen Brave -> Outer Science, -> Mary’s Imaginary World ....

[ + What’s the deal with Kano not being there (in EITHER version)?! or: ]

( ^ I don’t see a Kano here, do you? ) [ Seto wasn’t even redesigned until later ?! ] [ and Kido’s face wasn’t even shown (left), yet she was there?! in both?! ] [ .... wait, Kano was created IN BETWEEN these two videos?! ] [ and -- wait, Kano didn’t even exist when Imagination Forest was created ??! ] [ does that mean ... there could, possibly, eventually be a timeline ... where ... ] [ KANO (OR SETO) DOESN’T EXIST WITHIN THE MEKAKUSHI TRIO?!? ]

[ Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes -- and yes?! (....maybe?!) ]

- Souzou Forest (“Imagination Forest”) was released on January 31, 2012. - This was the very first debut of Mary and (young) Seto. - These music videos were created / illustrated by Wannyanpuu. Wannyanpuu is also the character designer for Mary Kozakura. She also designed Momo Kisaragi, created the music video for and illustrated��Kisaragi Attention, and contributed to many other factors of Kagepro after (Hiyori Asahina’s potential design concept, the Kagerou Days/Daze storyline and their previous fanmade music video / pv, Konoha’s State of the World music video [with Sidu], Otsukimi Recital.....) - If you compare the two videos you’ll note a handful of differences, including but not limited to the way Seto covers Mary with her cloak/hoodie. - Imagination Forest was also the very first debut of (the preview of) Tsubomi Kido’s redesign, now in more full color. At the time, Kido’s gender was still completely vague. The official website hadn’t yet opened, the Children Record booklet with initial profiles hadn’t yet been released, and Kido’s lower half wasn’t shown in full (redesigned). Misattributions of references to Shintaro Kisaragi in Mekakushi Code’s lyrics (“18 year old hikikomori NEET”, and such)  meant more confusion about Kido’s gender / Kido being assumed to be a boy, even in the Japanese fandom. - Kano wouldn’t later debut until Kisaragi Attention’s music video / pv, now debuting together with the full view of the redesigned Kido. - Around this time is also when the official website was first opened, finally clearing confusions re: things like Kido’s gender, and initial character profiles. - At the time, anything to do with Ayano (pretty much) outside of Toumei Answers’ music video / pv had not yet been revealed / released. Toumei Answer also wouldn’t be released until the Mekakucity Days cd album.

-Seto, in these two music videos, appears very differently. In “Souzou” / Imagination, he is mostly seen while still young, or young-appearing. His full outfit / “taller” redesign hadn’t yet been made. You can barely see Seto’s eyes at all in the entire pv, as they are closed or hidden almost the entire time. - Seto in “Souzou” appeared to hold out what looked like, at the time, a music player or mp3 player, playing actual music. In “Kuusou” it looks a little more obviously like a cell phone. He appeared to still play music for Mary to hear, as opposed to the current Manga Route. - (In the Manga Route, she instead hears text message notifications from a younger Kido, Kano, and Ayano and is startled. From there, almost the entire course of Manga Route changes the dynamics of the Trio.) - (younger Kido, Kano and Ayano hadn’t even been designed yet as of Imagination Forest’s video.) - reminders: when Imagination Forest first debuted, Kano hadn’t existed yet, and neither had Ayano, much less her concept or related storylines concerning the Trio. They literally did not exist at the time. At all. (to the fanbase, anyway.) Why is this important re: timelines?! [THEORY]: Manga Route 1:

ch. 08 - Souzou Forest I ch. 09.5 - Mary’s Imaginary World [ NOT LONG AFTER, INSERT: ROUTE RESET ] [ no thanks, Snake of Clearing Eyes & Mary ] [ no thanks, the entire Mekakushi Dan & Seto dying by Clearing ] Manga Route 2: .... ..... .... [insert in between chapters, until .... ] ch. 24 - Shounen Brave ch. 25 - Shounen Brave II ch. 26 - Kuusou Forest I-1 ch. 27 - Kuusou Forest I-2 ch. 28 - Kuusou Forest II ch. 29 - Kuusou Forest III ch. 30 - Kaien Panzermast I [ ^ there is no further “Souzou Forest” chapters after the “I” in Manga Route 1. ] ..... “oh” ..... ????? Real World Timeline: [2012] - Souzou Forest / Imagination Forest (pv): January 31, 2012 - Konoha’s State of the World: March 30, 2012 [young Kano & Kido’s debut ][*note: Seto’s redesign was shown in silhouette form for the first time, but he was not pictured with the trio at the orphanage. Ayano also debuts here design-wise for the very first time. Most of Ayano’s storyline had barely seemed created yet. ] - Kuusou Forest / Fantasy Forest (pv): May 18, 2012 - Kisaragi Attention (pv): May 27, 2012 [Kano’s debut, design wise] [*apparently, the novel had been written around/by this time] [*the scene where Momo meets the Mekakushi Dan was said to be related in Novel 1, despite this song being a part of Music Route and not Novels Route. ] - after: most other music videos / pvs, debuting in chronological order until/through (and into 2013): - Mekakucity Days (cd album) [w/Toumei Answer]: May 30, 2012 - Kagerou Daze - in a daze - (Novel 1): May 30, 2012 [Japanese] [* Kano’s personality / storyline first begins being unveiled here. ] - Kagerou Daze manga begins - June 15, 2012 [2013] - Souzou Forest I manga chapter - March 27, 2013 - Mary’s Imaginary World manga chapter 9.5 - around May 27, 2013 - Mekakucity Records (cd album) - May 29, 2013 [ * Outer Science and Mary’s Imaginary World premiere audio-wise. ] [ * also included: “Summer Endroll” and “Crying Prologue” instrumentals ] - Outer Science (pv) - August 31, 2013 [ ^ ... MUSIC ROUTE RESET ] - Kagerou Daze I manga chapter - November 15, 2013 [ ^ MANGA ROUTE 1 ENDS by means of Saeru (as “Kuroha”). RESET ] [ ^ MANGA ROUTE 2, the current manga Route, begins. ] - Shounen Brave (pv) - December 25, 2013 [Japan preview] - Mekakucity Actors anime: announced for literally the very first time along with / during Shounen Brave’s pv debut. Hasn’t even aired yet (until much later).

BONUS: - Shounen Brave was ALWAYS listed as “Episode ?” by Kagepro creator Jin.

[ “Are you afraid of [‘hearts’]? “Do you lack the courage to change tomorrow ?” ] ( note: the paralleled younger Seto + older Seto’s. ) ( NOTE: THE 3:35 TIMESTAMP, in the above video ) ( note: only Kido is still seen at the end. no Kano. ) “The crouching girl said, Yesterday, today, and the day before yesterday I had a dream that this wide world was easily crumbled.” Kido & Kano in Konoha’s State of the World [ note the lack of young Seto ]:

[ also note the totally different looking “Ayaka Tateyama”: ] [ (who also hadn’t been redesigned yet, much less had storyline) ] [* Ayano was shown here to the fanbase for only the literal first time]

[ ^ Seto’s full redesign is only previewed in silhouette. ] [ but why isn’t he seen at the orphanage here with the trio ??? ]

[ ^ note young Kido looks very different here as well. ] [ she does not have a “hime-cut” type of hairstyle and wears her hood already. ] [ * (the redesigned young Kido wouldn’t appear until Yobanashi Deceive’s pv.) ] [ she’s even smiling openly! ] [ ( you can barely even tell that’s “Ayaka” ..... ) ]

[ ok, but. if Seto was supposed to exist at the orphanage BEFORE them ... ] [ WHY ISN’T HE SHOWN THERE ?!? ] [ was it just because “spoilers” or ..... “SPOILERS” ?? ]

( + bonus Kisaragi Attention Kido & Kano (+ later Seto) under the read more! ) ( + ... Shounen Brave / Music Route theories ! )

[ ^ the opening! Kano is literally first seen this way (haha). ] [ also including: Seto’s full redesign, Kido’s full redesign ] (reminder: the FOLLOWING SCENE (Momo meeting the Dan) is relating early NOVELS ROUTE [Novel 1] particularly, despite occuring within MUSIC ROUTE pv-wise.) (timelines order: Music [+extra] -> Manga -> Novels and/or MCA) (MCA: ‘closest to the latter’)

[ ^ cancelling out Kano’s power. ]

(later..... [back to Music Route?])

[FULL MUSIC ROUTE TIMELINE (HERE)] (”The events in each time period are ordered in numbers. If there are multiple events with the same number within the same time period, this indicates that the events takes place in the same time”) [ ok but WHAT IF, IN A PARALLELED ? MUSIC ROUTE TIMELINE ..... ]

[ basically: - just like how young Kano met Ayano BEFORE encountering the Daze (^ in “The Deceiving”, Novel 5) - could young Seto have met Mary *AROUND encountering the Daze, too ?! ] [ in a PARALLELED TIMELINE(S) perhaps ?? ]