#seriously when ppl pit them against each other i get annoyed

[reikunrei]

tell me why it seems like 90% of byler shippers are the most smug, insufferable people i’ve ever had the displeasure of seeing on my dash. like can y’all be normal people LMAO

i’ve been following a smattering of general st fandom accounts that also post a lot about them for less than a week and i’m already like “damn i gotta fuckin go”

you’re telling me i survived 2013-2015 superwholock and free! shipping wars and i’m just right back in it in the year of our lord 2023? get a life LOL

[kaiba-fangirl]

Even when YGO was first airing in the US, once I got internet like a year into it, I remember "Puppyshipping" being THE most popular ship. Certainly was at least one of the biggest.

The discourse was about whether it was abusive, but it was all incoherent nonsense on both sides, with varying degrees of seriousness. I might've posted 1 time on the kaiba corporation forum my own opinion: in-world, yes abusive. in-fics, usually abusive. does this mean ppl shouldn't do it? nah, whatever. I understand why the dynamic interests people. Ship and let ship. Not my ship, though. Could never be.

...cuz...

See, my brother & I -unused to anime aside from Pokemon- thought we should root for only Main Character TM, but soon after jumped on our faves. Mai & Kaiba for me. He stuck with Yugi more to annoy me, & Joey as the blonde underdog in green (like himself; & this smelly green soccer jersey he never changed or washed cuz it was his "Joey shirt" 🤮).

So for me, it personally always felt skeevy to ship my faves with my brother's faves.

I started getting over it once Joey became obsessed with Mai in Waking the Dragons, but the little-brother-protector thing id with Kaiba was still stronger. Plus my brother spent the season annoyed with Joey's pining & hating Mai for her betrayal, so that helped disconnect them there.

I didn't really get into it the slightest bit til I came to tumblr, & I was part of the convo to rename it "violetshipping" to address the unwelcome default feeling of an abuse undertone & instead focusing on their complementary parallels & contrasts (which we all casually agreed was ok, canon, ic, but shouldn't be assumed within the very ship name), around the same time my relationship with my brother began deteriorating. So even though I got him into one last hurrah with DSOD, he's basically been lost to the right.

Tumblr's format also makes it a lot easier to stumble upon lots of things that just go by on your dash. I don't even remember seeing any puppyshipping fanart in the old forums & webrings of geocities & DeviantArt & AOL image searches, cuz I never searched for it. Read a couple fics trying to give it a chance, but they always ended up grossing me out with characterizations alone.

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But ya know what I never did? Never actually called it incest, even though that's what it felt like to me in my own unique experience. & I never said *anything* to people online who shipped it. I did talk about it with friends in school, where you would've seen my full body language reaction for "I don't wanna be rude - I'm just reeeally not into it - cuz my brother - so I don't wanna talk about it." Which was perfectly fine & accepted!

Who *did* I ship Kaiba with? Well, most in-character? No one. As in he would actively choose no one. As sexy as he was, I didn't see him being interested in pursuing any kind of relationship or sex. (It would take another several years before I ever saw the term "asexual," to which my first reaction was, Oh! Like Kaiba!

I've used the joke of shipping him with money.

But once I found Silentshipping, I was hooked. They had interacted ONCE when Serenity yelled at him, & he was just like "Uhh..." where if it were a Disney movie, that'd be where he fell in love but hadn't realized it yet. Then they NEVER interacted again. Serenity hardly had much of a personality beyond "nice." It was a perfect blank slate to make anything up! & she was perfectly generic for girls to project onto, without fear of being called a self-insert or Mary Sue -the biggest worries of the time.

But I also loved how it connected Joey & Kaiba as, usually, either eventually or at least effectively, brothers-in-law, still pitted against each other. To me, it was sooo much better than actually putting them together.

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It is sooo easy to not call everything "incest" that merely feels like brothers to you. It is sooo easy to not harass others for what they create, especially when they purposely help keep away anything you may not wanna see.

[orionsangel86]

Reblogging this as I still sometimes see an attempt at superiority among Black Sails fans which appeared to grow in popularity as BS fans were annoyed by people treating OFMD like it was the first and ONLY show about gay pirates (which I guess is somewhat understandable if you feel your fave show is being overshadowed by a silly comedy).

As a huge fan of both shows I found that attitude to be quite ridiculous. The fact that both shows are about pirates, including gay pirates, is the ONLY thing they have in common.

BS is an epic drama series that gets very dark and violent at times. Even the lighter comedic moments don't shy away from the darkness and brutality of the world BS is set in. Its a brilliant show, but if you're going into it expecting lots of gay fun content you'll be disappointed. The gay content is subtle (except for the s1 lesbian sex scenes which I always feel are more for the male gaze than for actual queer viewers sadly - s1 has very strong GoT vibes) though it does form the foundations for the story.

In contrast OFMD is first and foremost a romantic gay comedy. The fact it is set in 1717 among pirates is an afterthought. It hardly ever takes itself seriously but when it does it is like a suckerpunch to the abdomen. The comedy and the romance take the lead, but don't underestimate the shows ability to hit you with symbolism and deeper meaning so profound you'll find yourself sobbing in a ball on the floor (exactly as you did after watching BS funnily enough).

Where BS focuses on gritty realism, OFMD goes for optimistic fantasy. BS is about gay trauma, OFMD is about gay joy.

The best way I explain how bizarre it is to compare the two is with an equally bizarre comparison. Take True Blood (a dark and bloody violent vampire drama series) and What We Do In The Shadows (a ridiculous and hilarious vampire series). Both have queer vampires, but the two shows are so extremely different in every other way that you can't even begin to compare them and you wouldn't pit them against each other in amongst the strange world of vampire related media!

Watch both shows. Do not compare them. Certainly do not pit them against each other and ignore anyone who tries to claim that one is better than the other.

i still haven't watched of*d, do you recommend it? (i've seen the last ask and now i'm worried it's actually not that good) :/ i'm a die-hard bl*ck sails fan fwiw

ignore that previous ask, it means nothing. ofmd and black sails are two wildly different genres so it's pointless to use either to base your expectations for the other. they are both about queer pirates and that's where the similarities stop. as a huge fan of both ofmd and black sails, i recommend it, of course, just don't go in expecting the kind of realistic and heavy drama of the bs world because ofmd is first and foremost a silly romantic comedy about gay pirates

[celestial-jeon-remade]

I find it interesting that you say Jungkook isn't the most popular member and mention 2013 because I'm fairly new to the fandom (about 6 months) and I still can't figure out why he's always brought up as the "most popular member" not only that but also someone who "gets everything handed to them on a silver platter while the others suffer" I've only seen him get so much hate and mostly armys themselves love to mock him. a lot (that I've seen so this is biased) jungkook stans go on with (cont)

the whole "I hate jungkook" or "he's so stupid" and the classic "he's such a fuckboy/he's so arrogant and cocky" and for the longest time I thought I was being too sensitive? I can't even tell anymore what's supposed to be "real hate" or "love hate" it's all the same and I understand being aggressive about your life but with jungkook it goes TOO far. with the other members it's always "he's so soft and precious I love him" but it's rare to find jungkook stans who say that when everyone is too busy hating him to be funny/get likes/rts/whatever! and you're right about not being able to praise jungkook because you're going to get so many comments like "uhh but he's always the main/in the centre/gets the most likes/most popular can you focus on the other members and not make everything about him" boy can't even get appreciated and praised for what he's good at now without triggering anyone? I don't care about any of that, if he does something I'm proud of you bet I'm going to praise him. also, just my two cents but I think the whole "jungkook solo stans" is a bit overrated, Im not denying that they exist but at this point they're nearly not as prevalent as armys who mock jungkook, or start petitions to kick him out of bts for "stealing lines" that's another thing I never found funny, those jokes about jungkook "stealing" lines and being so possessive over his lines that he'd fight anyone if they got even a single line more than him? this kind of got a bit off topic, so I apologize for the rant but, I meant to say that in my humble onion, I feel that jin is one of the most popular members in the group. you don't even have to be a jin stan but everyone loves him so much!!!! he's not as "underappreciated" as people make him out to be (and I mean fandom-wise, not the whole drama about line distribution) he's really popular with everyone so don't give me that "jin deserves more attention/love than jungkook" you can say that without dragging jungkook's name into everything and pitting members against each other? Yikes! but good luck for your exam!! ❤️

get handed on a silver platter... who tf is making that bullshit claim?? he works his ass off. he’s always trying to improve. in every damn album somewhere in his extra long thanks to letter he mentions how he’s trying to become better as if he isn't already amazing enough. he is learning english and japanese for the fans, helped choreograph some moves, is learning how to produce which he’s taking seriously yoongi even said jungkook has been asking him A LOT of question and namjoon jokingly complained that jungkook only shares the songs he writes with hobi. he had his lil 12/13 yr old ass sent to america without his family to train in dancing...i’d cry if i was sent halfway across the world to work n i don't even like my parents... he does NOT have things handed to him. he works extremely hard and is still working hard trying to overcome his shyness as he worries about the mask he wears when he first meets ppl as though he hasn't had to work hard already just to settle his anxiety when it came to performing and simply just singing to his members??

jungkook? a fuckboy? arrogant? that’s literal bullshit. that’s how u know a fan hasn't bothered learning about the group/jungkook at all if they think that. jungkook is amazing at putting up a mask of confidence, telling himself he’s gonna do fine, even when he doesn't HAVE the confidence, so that he can put on a great show. he is a born performer meant to be on stage n if u mistake his confident stage persona as a fuckboy personality?? that’s on u honestly n ur missing out on a sweet baby boy who loves his fans and members like they’re his family.

honestly jungkook ‘stans’ or ‘stans in denial’ who just shit on him n call him names n always say they hate him...they aren't funny or cool just ignore them it’s annoying as shit i’ve blocked blogs like that, i simply don't tolerate it.

I've never seen a ‘jungkook solo stan’ in my life i barely know/follow anyone who even stans JUST jungkook xdfgchvj what even is that. also,,, his role,,in the fucking group,, is the center,, that’s why he stands in the middle for just about every video and award show...and why he dances in the middle often.... being the center is as much his job as being the main vocal/lead dancer.

no member deserves more love/appreciation over another it’s just that...do ppl realize when they yell at me ‘you gotta love n appreciate ALL the members!!1!’ that jungkook is supposed to be included in that or..

im so gonna fail my exam but whatever

[mryddinwilt]

Let's be real, these people asking questions like Milah vs Emma are not Hook fans. A real true Hook fan absolutely acknowledges and appreciates who Milah was to him and everything she represents. These panels are so full of the most ridiculous and redundant questions. Colin jokes his way through them while ppl yell out what he should answer. The pancake thing is getting so old and the E vs M is only starting b/c Rachel was kind enough to do a con in place of Jen.

So I sense a lot of frustration in this ask and you know what I share some of it. I am not personally a fan of people yelling out uninvited from the audience at panels. Although I am pretty sure I did it once or twice because being there in the audience sometimes you lose your mind a bit. 

It can be annoying watching Colin answer the same questions over and over  but at the same time I try and remember that not everyone at a convention is on tumblr or has seen all his panels. They paid the money to be there, braved the mob to get in line, waited in line while their nerves did battle with their stomach, and then had to ask the question like a normal person while Colin looks at them. That’s no small thing, let me tell you. So I try and remember that this is their experience and I am just lucky enough to live in a day and age when I can share in it with them. 

When I went to Vancouver and asked a question I didn’t really give a thought to what other people wanted answered. I asked the question that I wanted to ask, something I felt would be interesting and new. But then the thing about a question like that is it puts Colin on the spot and forces him to try and come up with something witty or insightful when maybe he has never given much thought to the matter. I actually felt bad for asking my question because it made him fumble a bit and he clearly wanted to give a good answer. So I imagine Colin actually likes having some repeat questions because the answers come easily and he can be funny with them. And sometimes he says something new to an old question (or at least new to me). Until FT5 I had never heard him describe his inspiration for Hook as a mix between Dread Pirate Roberts and Colin Farrell and I found that really interesting.

I feel like you are unhappy with the fact that Colin jokes through his panel and I feel that a little bit too. Sometimes I want a deeper answer or something more insightful. But then that’s not how Colin does panels or even most interviews and why should I demand he bare his deep thoughts and emotions to a room full of strangers if that’s not what he feels comfortable doing? 

As a founding member of the @milah-defense-squad I can tell you that Milah hate or pitting Milah and Emma against each other is not new. It has become relevant again because of Rachel’s appearance at FT5 but it definitely didn’t start as a result of it. 

This brings me to your assertion that people who don’t like Milah are not real, true Hook fans. And there is so much I disagree with in that statement. I don’t hold with any kind of gatekeeping that tries to tell people how to be a fan or classing some fans as better or “true”. It’s just nonsense to say that and to try to police someone’s experience like that. They can be a Hook fan and not like Milah. Heck they can be a Hook fan and not like Emma (seriously there are quite a few of them out there).  Personally I think that Milah and Millian is essential to Hook’s character but that opinion and writing long posts about that opinion is not the same as telling people how to be a good fan. 

Anyway Nonnie I hope you have a good day. Thanks for dropping by! 

[nomoresuckers]

(part 1) Going back to what you said earlier about Marina having different sounds on each album -- I've had this thought for a while, and I realize that we take Marina for granted more than we know. Each one of her albums has a unique and different sound that is completely unlike the others. TFJ has an indie pop sound to it, Electra Heart was mainly electronic/bubblegum pop, and FROOT was very organic/fresh sounding.

The majority of artists today do NOT change up their sound as much as Marina does, and I’ve noticed this across all genres that I’ve listened to. In a way, I’m really glad that she does change up her sound a lot, I appreciate it and I know her Diamonds do as well. But when people flat out expect her to make something different for the next album and it ends up sounding like something she’s done before and they get mad… it just irks me bc what she does is not commonly done by artists. And then when she actually releases the album and people don’t like it, it bothers me even more because why even support her when you know this is how she makes music? She’s not gonna do something she’s done before, and if she does, then we should be happy either way… I’m just so done with people having unrealistic expectations and then getting mad when it’s not what they want… if you truly like an artist then you will support whatever they put out. Rant over lol

very well said!! the only artist i would even think of comparing her to in terms of versatility is lady gaga. (im not bringing up gaga to pit them against each other–bc thats super lame–but just as an aid to my point btw, gaga is one of my queens)

lyrically, she has proved to be a talented artist, able to change her tone depending on the production. in fact, aside from her voice, if you heard just the lyrics amongst each era you probably wouldn’t even think that they were all written by the same person!! and thats amazing. pop music sounds like it was all written by the same dude, and here u have a young woman writing as if she’s 8 different people lmao

there will always be ppl complaining its too different or too similar. ppl are never satisfied, and the rude ones always feel its their job to be loud abt it and annoy the rest of us or make us look bad

idk if i expect her to do something completely different for matd4, but honestly im really looking forward to it. ive seen of the producers shes suspected of working with and they seem to be very edm-ish sounding, and im pumped. anything she releases is pure genius–covers included–so im fine with anything she does, seriously. i dont have a problem with fans having a preference, its just when ppl are mean abt it that i have an issue

idk, my response is to any1 who doesnt like marinas sound after EH is to go listen to top 40 bc most of those artists never change. marina is a person, and people, along with style and perspective, change.

im glad im getting a lot of questions about this topic–its nice knowing im not alone in feeling this way altho the situation itself kinda sucks. thank u for sharing ur thoughts!

[therewas-a-girl]

What do u like about Wildqueen?

Anon i love that u asked me this question (i cant sleep so this is great).

Rene is ex military; he was dishonorably discharged for doing sth morally questionable because of something he believed he had to get done. He regrets that deeply (though im not sure he regrets what he did as much as the results of it), as seen in the episode after he was tortured, and he is haunted by his failures , which he sees as a sort of chain that make up his life.

now, thea knows how that feels. She would be able to relate to the discipline, to the dedication that might be ingrained into someone from a military background. and also to bending of general morals to get shit done and/or compromising herself and her integrity for something. (Because she did go with Merlyn, compromising herself cause she wanted to be stronger) I don’t think she would hold what he did against him, or judge him; nor would he hold it against her that she did sth very daring to get control of her life again.

Both Rene and Thea tried doing good with what they were left with, after their failures/tragedies/disappointments. Here is where Rene and Thea might have interesting discussions though, because the WHY of this varies for them. Thea’s morality is much more fluid than Rene’s, I feel. Rene seems to have the whole ‘this is right and this is wrong’ thing going on, while Thea seems more of a ‘this is right for now cause it gets the job done or works for me’ kinda girl. (she has limits obviously) She is not really a joiner or a by-the-system kind, while Rene was military. [what could have possibly prompted a man with such contempt for anyone telling him what to do, to join the military? maybe he was running away from something  - his family situation  - and saw the military as his only escape?] I don’t think he really like being within a structure that tells u what to do, though he could have made friends and found a family of his own there. After his discharge and what prompted it, its also just as probably that he is very disappointed/disillusioned by it. (Personally i doubt that he likes being part of a hierarchy because he has serious authority issues which thea shares and in both cases it stems from parental abuse). Anyway i just know that when it comes to why they do the stuff they do, or why he does and she stopped, those two could have some interesting conversations.

Not to mention that they both would totally relate to each other when it comes to the fuckton of trauma they have been through. Just once i would like to see someone react humanly - as in, the way I do, not the way arrow characters react to fucked up shit that happens to that - to what Thea has been through. I mean, can u imagine? Rene would lose his shit if he knew that

‘yeah i was stabbed through the heart with a sword and almost died and then took a dip into a magic hottub and then got super bloodthirty and THEN ALMOST DIED AGAIN FROM THAT SAME WOUND". ‘u were stabbed.’'Yeah’'Through the chest’'Yup’'By an actual sword? ’*a beat* 'what kind of fucktard psycho uses a sword? ’'oh u would be so surprised. Actually thats bad. With the kind of record the team has, u need to learn to handle one.’'A sword? o_O R u shittting me??’'I shit u not’'Wait wait wait. You took a dip into this pit and now youre like… alive. ’'Yeah’'…dude… thats way weirder than im prepared to handle.’'I KNOW RIGHT!!! ’

(Idk what that up there is, ignore it. Itbsounds more like me talking to thea 😂)

Rene is instinctively protective of those that he percives as needing protection. He went against olivers orders to help a little girl who was in danger in the II ep; because he probably didnt even think about what the Green Arrow would say or do to him. But he also treated Evelyn as an equal and never babied her. (Cause arrow forgot she was a kid but anyway). Thea would most definitely apriciate that and also find it highly refreshing after olivers constant worrying about her and malcolm taking away her agency at every point.

Not to mention that Rene is exactly the kind of dude to find Thea’s ability to kick his ass with one hand behind her back incandescently hot. U gotta respect a guy who respects and is turned on by female power.

He fights hard for what he wants - he is determined and Thea would respect that cause so is she.

Also notice how he always kept his flirting very casual, never pushy never putting anything on her, mostly fun. Cause thats a good point in his favour and would be in Thea’s books too. And how she dismisses him but in a kinda half amused half annoyed way. Its rather hilarious. And i love that despite her shooting him down he never gets bitter about it. Those two times he just kept on smiling. I bet their flirting would be so agressively playful.

He is very observant (as far as I’ve noticed he is the only one that brings in the evidence for felicity) and im thinking he is very good at noticing when ppl change patterns of behavior. he didnt realize what the change meant in Evelyn, in terms of emotions, but he was able to pinpoint exactly /when/ it had happened: after they learned oliver was a the Hood. —> Thea is super smart emotionally and has this amazing radar about when ppl’s *feelings* shift. Oliver and moira never fooled her with their 'were gonna pretend for theas sake’ shtick. She didnt know why but she knew sth is up. That’s great material there. Id be willing to explore that. The good and the bad. The way they might pick up on each other’s moods, tendencies. Good and bad days. The different ways they would notice stuff about each other: Rene by noticing when she does things differently, when she deviates from her routine. Thea noticing when he is angry or happy or annoyed about something, learning how to associate his expressions with his feelings. The two of them baffling each other on how they notice these little things that the other wouldn’t think to notice about anyone, or that they didn’t think anyone noticed about them.

It’s fun to think about.

Rene is exeptionally straightforward and honest. Thea would love that about him. Both would speak their mind frankly to each other since neither is more sensitive than the other.

Rene seems to concentrate on things he does well - mostly physical stuff, stuff with his hands (i noticed this in the crosover. While the nerds were doing their own thing rene was calmly sitting down doing his own thing, handling his weapons i think). He’s probably a kinetic learner, like Oliver. And is very comfortable around ppl who do well with their own things, which Rene might have no idea how to do. I just mean that he is comfortable in his own skin and isnt threatened by other people's power or inteligence. (That moment when Felicity delegated to him and Rory to do that analysis thing, and Rene was totally chill admitting he had no idea what felicity had been talking about and that he Rory and Curtis were the smart ones). And this brings me back to Thea being absolutely charmed by this kind of quality because Rene can manage to be sure in himself without being arrogant.

Also circles back to him loving that he can actually learn stuff from her, fighting-wise. And that would really boost Thea’s selfconfidence because i can just see Rene being flirty about it at first and then surprising her by taking her very seriously and truly wanting to learn.  And in turn she would be a good teacher because though not always the most sensitive, Thea is patient. She would love it that he is sure in himself that he would think nothing of asking her to teach him. And that he respects her and her skill to want to learn from her. Something that nobody has asked her before. And in turn, she would notice that he is an amazing team player and that she can actually play off of him when it comes to having a laugh or teasing the other team members cause theyre both sich little shits. (im also thinking that Rene’s specialty in the field would be recon - because he is so good that noticing when the environment changes, and keep track of patters and routes and stuff like that)

Rene was physically abused by his father. Thea was psycologically abused by hers. They would be able to regognise each others hurts and false-steps naturally and it would add another layer of understanding to their relationship but also a kind of tenderness and protectiveness for each other. I feel like neither of them is much of a cudler in the traditional sense of the word but they would be able to understand each others need for affection and the occasional fear of it. I mean - their scars are symetrical in some way so they would understand each others impulses a lot better than most have before them.

Despite his history tho, rene loves kids and seems hopeful about having kids (abused children will tell u that growing up into that kind of person takes strength and most certaily, goodness), which tells me that there is a lot of hope inside that man. Thea seems to be struggling to grasp onto some kind of hope, for a normal life, a normal self, something to give her meaning. They could help each other find that hope within themselves. Rene could have a positive thing or two to share with thea even, since she is more of a stark realist while rene seems to be more positive.

He is so fucking upbeat about things he actually enjoys. Like the christmass sock that evelyn gave him. Remember that smile? How eager he was and how he tore into that gift - that was precious and so pure, in the real sense of the word, not the tumblr one. I think even after all hes seen rene - and i think this is his best character trait - still has that boyish wonder intact. What makes him an idealist no matter how hard he protects himself with that jaded attitude. Hes not jaded - hes pragmatic and has issues.

And thea, oh my god, she needs someone who can really just have fun with her again. Someone who would delight in having a good time, who would love to laugh with her. Who would teach her how to see the wonderous and the joyous in the world again because i think she is having such a hard time this year. (Im very suspitious of the extreme change she has made from last year to this year and how stubborly she clings to this new status quo. Not that she shouldnt want to get away from the violence - that is an a+ reasoning for her. But her stubborness to keep away feels like fear. And i want to know what she isafraid of and why. Why she doubts herself) Im not at all convinced she is doing as well as she fronts and even if she is, she seems so serious all the time. She used to love parties - not the drug and alcohol kind but the 'together with my family and friends’ kind and rene dies too. They would have the most outrageous christmass ever. Thea would totally spoil him with all these eccentric gifts that are rpobably super inner jokes between them and rene would have a blast decorating the tree with her.

The fights would probably be very explosive cause theyre both hotheaded ppl and where thea can admit she was wrong, rene would need a little more work but im willing to bet that it wouldnt be so hard in the face of someone he loves and considers equal to himself (it was harder for him to apologise to oliver cause its a power thing and a dick measuring thing and a pride thing - elements that would be a non issue cause there would be no such disparities with thea)

Theyre also both very physical ppl and very expressive ppl so im guessing sex would be such fun for them and theyd love to try new things and just go for whatever they want.

Look i could go on. But these are all the surface level stuff i could think of. Im sure there is more. For the most part, what got me into thinking i could rly like the idea of them is the fact that around her, rene is a total goofball (i just love how sincere he is in his admiration without once seeming creepy) - i like seeing him like that and i would love to see thea laugh more. I just think they could be good to each otherband that there is a story there.