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Blood Runs Thicker Than Water
Another Otto family edit because they deserved better and yes, I'm still pissed about how the show ended.
Leave Troy, Serena, Tracy and their happiness ALONE Tracy is her parent's daughter and you can't change my mind
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roll-of-royces · 9 months ago
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Had to rep the #1 FTWD boi.
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otto-serena · 9 months ago
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noemitenshi · 1 year ago
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Ok so. There's several questions in here, I'll try to address them all @marrecarandgi
Maybe let's do the "Can this man ever move on and find a new relationship after he and Tracy ride into sunset" first (which is also fully my HC, he didn't die, Tracy just had guilt-fueled nightmares that seemed so real she really believes she shot her walker!dad).
Anyway, yes, he was pretty hung up on his wife, it seems.
(Though honestly, parking her in this swamp type thing was weird to me? Like, wouldn't he want her closer by? It's almost like they don't really get Troy's character - like they present us a distorted version of him, we recognize enough of Troy in him to say 'it's him' but then there's just... something that isn't right)
Ok, lets ignore the things that don't quite fit and go with, he was super hung up on her. Though maybe not only her but also the way he lost her and how he put all of that on alicia and madison. so it seems to get closure he needed to get his revenge
(though that's again not super fitting with what they show us in ep11 - the first heart to heart he has with madison where she is about to kill him with her hammer. he says "you want her people to believe the same thing she did - when this is exactly what got her killed" warns her, really. and the way he looks at her, the way his voice sounds... it's almost like he cares. but then, why would he, if he hates her so much. It's almost like he's trying to connect to her, but then, why would he. If he hates her so much. Or maybe he wants her to stop believing in this thing that killed his wife. If so, then why save her in the end when he saw she didn't believe? It just doesn't fit together. Individually those things are fine but taken together it's very headscratchy. Sorry, I said I'll stay away from these things that don't quite fit but guess I can't stop myself ^^0)
Ok so, again ignoring all that and going with the 'he needed revenge/her killing Madison to move on... I think the fact that Madison ended zombie!serena and the fact that he buried her helped him a lot in the 'moving on from her'.
If we take this bullshit on face value with him regretting not letting alicia's idea die with serena, then even getting to *live it* (once he gets Tracy back from madison) may help him, too. A way to honor his wife and think on her but not with so much bitterness and ... well he clung to her in a way, right. Clung to revenge so he could cling to her maybe. Or the other way around. And if that is now broken (again taken the bullshit he said before he died at face value) he'll have a much easier time moving on now.
Now what happens between him and madison and alicia once they meet up - I have no idea. It could be that by this time Madison already started to regret killing him. I mean she's still not happy to see him - given that she expects him to still want to kill her. So their places could be somewhat switched now, mirroring the end of ep11. Her now full of regret and hm compassion even towards him and him... well that's the question isn't it? I think, if we go the route of 'what he said at the end of ep11 is the truth' then he should let her live. He's not gonna tell her this of course from the beginning since he doesn't trust her and still thinks she thinks like at the end of ep11 (no second chances, troy is irredeemable). So it'll be a bit of a dance I guess, with both of them misinterpreting the other's actions. But not for long bc once Tracy sees her dad no one can stop her from going to him. And that's all he wants, his daughter back. And they should leave madison and alicia and go out on their own.
Now if you'd rather not believe he had a change of heart end of ep 11 (which I get haha it kinda came out of nowhere), he's still gonna want revenge. And I think he will, once he finds them. He won't be convulted about it either, I don't think so. Now that he doesn't have his zombie!wife anymore. Now that he even lost his kid, I think he's gonna be methodical. Wouldn't mind him just creeping into their camp and shooting them point blank. Sure, they wont 'rot on their feet' but I think the need for them to be dead may at this point be greater than anything else. Especially since they have tracy. I think them having tracy is a pretty strong motivator for him to end things quickly and get her away from there. Tracy, who probably has her head screwed with a lot (I mean her going to madison after she believes she killed her dad is.. uh a choice and speaks not well of the kid's mental health... so that could lead to some interesting tension between them though I think they'd work through it soon enough. it's her *dad* after all). And yes once he's got her back and the other two lie dead, his wife buried, I think he *can* move on from her.
Probably entering into a new relationship won't be easy though (in either case, both the 'he took revenge' and the 'he just wanted his daughter back'), he feels like he wants to be single for a while now haha, which. Understandable. He was first married to his wife and then to the idea of revenge. And they say getting out of a relationship takes half the time the relationship lasted so uhm. Make of that what you will ;)
Maybe if he meets up with someone he knows it's easier for him to form a relationship than if it's someone completely new... just an idea though (maybe bc then it doesn't remind him so much of serena...?).
Also in my somewhat improbable HC (of course I have several contradicting HCs - as one does...) which I haven't quite let go off even though it turned out not to have any canon support (though also not really something that contradicts it so uhh (except for the part where I thought serena seems like a cutie and I don't want her to be a bad guy), I imagine serena as abusive towards troy.
Again no textual support of this - that whole idea was born out of the fear that they'd made troy be actually the one responsible for his wife's death (thank GOD that fear was unfounded haha). But yeah I was really anxious about this once it was revealed that alicia's idea killed tracy's mom but we had no further inforomation on it. So this fear, and the fact that he went 'it's not pretty to look at, I know' about his eye had me thinking that it could be possible. That sentence 'it's not pretty to look at, I know' gave me pause since... it doesn't sound like Troy to be concerned with how he looks. That was never him (yes even though he's well dressed now :P). So I thought, that almost sounds like he's quoting someone, omg what if he's quoting his wife?! What if his wife was at least verbally abusive towards him..(if not more)?? (Then the tracy thing kindaaaa makes sense too haha, he's subconsciously thinking back to that, is reminded of how his mom treated him and it's def a cry for help, calling his kid tracy... not that anyone heard him. as usual). Anyway if we go that route then a new relationship would be undoubtedly good for him (unless this one, too, is abusive haha...). Not sure if this makes him more or less likely to seek one out though. I think an argument could be made either way. Maybe more, just because he's still searching for what he'd searched for all his life: someone to love and appreciate him. Even while he's convinced it never could be different, didn't serena show him that, he's still searching...
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Now the dad thing... I think I said it somewhere before, to me it didn't feel out of character at all(if this is even what you're getting at? If not, feel free to correct me :) ). In fact I was superglad to hear him say he didn't give a fuck about Jeremiah. I maintain he had a complicated relationship with his dad (just like he had with his mom). He loved his parents probably the same way a kicked dog loves his master. Beyond reason and self-preservation. But he hates his parents, too. And I think he's ashamed of that, of feeling *wrong things*. I think he also thinks the fault that they don't love him lies with himself. That he is wrong, that he can't do what they want (a quiet child, best seen not heard etc). So he puts all that on himself, the hate he has for them and the fact that they don't love him. Both bc there's just something not right with him. So he buries it, buries it deep down.
Of course he was sad when his dad died, of course he grieved him. He probably also grieved that now he never could get from him what he wanted: being told he did good. Being told his dad is proud of him. All these things. I also think he was... relieved. And that horrified him. Showed him again, in his mind, that see, he is wrong. Who is relieved their dad is dead. And then he's also angry of course, angry at his dad for killing himself. Doing something that seems so out of character for him. Leaving Troy and Jake to pick up the pieces (probably like always... I imagine when he was drunk and destroyed things or made a mess, it was on the kids to clean up. Same with his mom btw). Anyway. very very complicated feelings, contradicting feelings even. No wonder he lost his mind in exile. And I think the fact that he destroyed this place, even though it pained him in the end, it also freed him. It was the beginning of letting go. Of his mom, his dad. Even Jake. A cleansing as he said, but for himself. And I think over the years those feelings became clearer to himself, he started to understand himself better, started to understand where his uncontrollable anger came from and could accept this. So yeah "fuck that old man" (paraphrased haha) isn't a weird thing for s8 troy to say at all. He's right. Fuck him.
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"I'd do it all again" Right, that one. Haha, those fateful words. I hope you forgive me for just quoting my own work, since I very much explored this:
Troy felt relieved when he heard Madison asked, “Why would Daniel want to kill Troy?” This was it, he was sure of it. This was the missing piece to get back into step with Madison. Because even though she’d just told him “we’re good” he knew they weren’t. He had sensed her trepidation in her ingenious smile, in the hesitation in her voice. And now he was sure it was because he was still keeping a secret from her. A secret that only became one because of Nick, because he had followed Nick’s lead on this. And he hadn’t minded, understood that Nick rather not tell his sister Jake died partly because of him… But now he couldn’t keep quiet anymore. Not if it talking could mean that it would bring Madison and him close together again. Not if it meant it could again be as it was, before, between Madison and him. And yes, their conversation got heated once he admitted what he’d done. He should’ve expected that but he was too caught up in it. In trying to explain himself, in trying to rush to go where they’d been before. He should’ve given her more time to process… he knew she would’ve, eventually. She understood him. They were the same – and that was what he was trying to tell her, remind her of, however clumsily. “I’d do it all again,” he implored her, trying to make her see, “All of it, Madison.”
(Bolded part is the most important one). Right so I think he's wanting for Madison to see his side, for her to well maybe not forgive him but definitely accept what he'd done, accept him) and her continued refusal got him agitated, angry, and so he blurted that out - unfortunately not at all doing what he set out to do but the complete opposite. That is why he says 'hed do it all again'. He wants acceptance for who he is, he's not gonna APOLOGIZE for it and he resents her for insinuating differently. All his life he's made to feel he was wrong and in madison he thought he'd finally found someone who got him. Understood him like no other. And now she stands before him having the gall to judge him too. It's too much and so he spits this into her face, forces her to confront all the bad things in himself. Sadly for him she answers not by acceptance as he thought, especially when he said "and you would too you know you would", this callback to how similar they are, but by killing him. And I think him calling out their similarities played def a role in her decision to strike him down.
(As an aside, I don't see Troy as someone who apologizes or appreciates an apology or even... gets what it is about. Esp. s3 Troy. He's thinking is along the lines: "If I did it, I did it, so there's no use in wishing things went differently, no use in lamenting. It happened and with the information I had at that time I couldn't have made another choice. I would do things again like this. So what use is an apology? Isn't it even cheapening things? Because then I could've just NOT DONE IN in the first place. But clearly I did" It's a bit of a circular reasoning. He's a bit naive in that haha.
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I'm not sure he raised Tracy to see zombie!serena as her mom. Yes, Tracy does call her "mom" but I didn't get the feeling that she things it really is *her*. Like I think she's very much aware and never had confusion over the fact that her mom is dead and this is her reanimated corpse. Is that much better? Not sure haha.
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themuselesswriter · 4 months ago
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The Haven Color Palette - Families Edition
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The Ottos: Troy Otto, Tracy Otto, Laurel "Serena" Otto The Gottfrieds: Frank Gottfried, Klaus Gottfried, Mia Gottfried (✝) The Campbells: Dwight Campbell, Arthur Campbell, Sherry Campbell
PS: Mia is a semi-original character, she was mentioned in the show as Frank's wife. She's the biological mother of Klaus and Arthur, she wasn't close with Klaus at all, but she was with Arthur, after her death, Dwight and Sherry officially adopted Arthur as their son.
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OKAY BUT
Serena was the one to cut Tracy’s hair until she died and then Troy was the one to do it but he didn’t really know how.
ALSO the reason Troy’s hair gets really long is because Serena was also the one who cut Troy’s hair but after she died he didn’t let anyone cut his hair.
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ftwdb · 11 months ago
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Thoughts on Troy Otto, some Headcanons:
After the initial blow to the head Troy suffers some memory loss which comes back in short flashbacks, resulting in a very mixup up version of events from Broke Jaw.
I also HC that Troy has a personality disorder as as result of his childhood trauma and and such subconsciously changes his behaviour to match people around him he cares about and does not want to be rejected by. When he meets Serena he tries to be a “better man” to earn her love, even accepting her desire to adopt Alicia’s ideology to help people - until it gets her killed and he spirals in a similar way to his psychosis caused by his be old from the ranch in season 3.
Him leading the dead to the ranch in season 3 was definitely the result of a breakdown/psychotic break caused by all his trauma, exhaustion and feelings of abandonment and loss.
Late night conversations with Walker-Serena, Russell is very concerned when he insists on taking baby Tracy to visit her mother.
Russell is secretly in love with Troy - don’t ask why, just a vibe I got 🤷🏻‍♀️
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ftwd-the-real-deal · 7 months ago
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Fear The Walking Dead: The Real Deal - Introduction
Note: This is a fan-based alternative universe or alternative ending to Fear The Walking Dead, nothing here truly happened but it definitely should've happened, also Serena is Laurel, and she's alive in this universe and yes, lots of things are different in here.
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Basic Information
Location: The Sanctuary (now called Haven)
Canon Characters Involved: Troy Otto, Tracy Otto, Russel, Dwight Campbell, Sherry Campbell, Frank Gottfried, Klaus Gottfried, Jake Otto (honorable mention), Nick Clark (honorable mention)
Original Characters Involved: Laurel Hall, Mia Gottfried, Jeremy Winstons (henchman), Tyler (honorable mention)
Universe Villains: Madison Clark, Victor Strand, Negan Smith (honorable mention), Trent, Jeremiah Otto (honorable mention)
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Story
Betrayed, that's how Troy ended up dying in front of his loved ones, his wife, his child, they all had to watch him being stabbed by the witch of the apocalypse, he fell to the ground, whimpering from the pain, the last thing he heard was Laurel's scream, the last thing he's seen was how no one gave two craps about what Madison did, again.
Laurel had taken Tracy and hidden behind the trees, away from everyone's prying eyes, worried for her safety, she waited until everyone was off on their own way and she ran towards her dying husband, the two of them dragged the barely alive Troy into a vehicle and drove away, stopping at an abandoned building in Virginia, only stopping every now and then to make sure Troy was still alive.
Once they reached the building, she started to use all of her medical training to save her husband, Tracy helped of course, Troy had taught all the children basic first-aid skills, she was mommy's little nurse, and the two of them managed to keep him alive, although severely wounded and feeling anguished.
After that is out of the way, Lyn signals for Troy's men to join them at the given location and they do, making it one of the most secure locations there is.
One day, while Lyn was attending to Troy's wound, she was signaled to go to the main gate, she did so, and when she did, she found the party of Dwight and Sherry, as well as the people from PADRE, although she was tempted to shoot them at the spot, but they negotiated their way with medicine, food and expertise, things that they lacked currently at The Sanctuary.
A friendship forms almost immediately between Dwight, Sherry and Tracy, which made it easier for Lyn to like them, however, Troy didn't share the same sentiments with his wife and daughter, he tried to get rid of the PADRE people multiple times, only for them to prove their worth, especially once he saw that they didn't kill Russel like they had him believe.
Eventually, MADRE and Troy's band of rascals live together in peace under his leadership, as he had proven himself the leader that no one wants but everyone needed, he ran the place like a tight ship and ensured everyone's survival, while Dwight began to admire the man and eventually a friendship formed between the two even though Troy would never admit it, and Dwight became one of his trustees.
When Dwight was on a run for supplies, he saw a car in the middle of the night with two males in it, when he went to investigate further, he learned that they were Frank and Klaus, Strand was nowhere to be found, he helped them back to the Sanctuary then learned that Strand had shown them his true color and therefore, the duo escaped as far as possible and their car broke down, Troy reluctantly accepted them as refugees as long as they pull their weight around.
Ever since then, the group resided in The Sanctuary, living a mundane life, whatever that meant in an apocalypse, and fought against different, unimaginable challenges to protect their home and peace.
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Started on: 25/4/2024
Last update: 27/4/2024
Creators: @muselesswriter & @all-that-is-gold-is-now-gone
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stuckontheisland · 5 years ago
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WE NEEDED ALL THESE THINGS
Come in FTWD do better, and also go sit in a corner for what you actually did
Also Serena should have been alive. Leave the Otto’s ALONE
i wish we got to see more of troy being a dad with tracy :(
cant stop imagining him doing things like brushing her hair or helping her see certain things by lifting her up on his shoulders or cracking dad jokes (and realizing he’s begun cracking dad jokes) and just like sweet moments where he’s hugging her, patting down her hair and wiping away her tears when she’s upset or scared or cheering her on and lifting her up in his arms spinning her around when she finally gets something down they’ve been practicing together
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Whatever you do, don't think about
Troy Otto just walking around the compound one day when he hears a laugh.
Her laugh
Troy whirls around searching the area for Serena, cause he hears her laugh. A sound he never thought he would hear again. Then his eyes land on the source of the laughter.
It's Tracy.
Tracy laughs like her mom.
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all-that-is-gold-is-now-gone · 11 months ago
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Troy: 6’2, two-time militia leader with a temper and intense amounts of dangerous information about the undead. Killer instincts. Also Troy: Lets his wife play with and braid his hair when she is stressed. Has princess tea parties with Tracy. A girl Dad.
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The Child
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otto-serena · 10 months ago
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Serena doesn't really know what is happening, she barely has time to register it as Troy grabs her and shoves her into the bathroom. She doesn't even have the time to ask why or get any words out before he slams the door shut. Serena almost speaks, she thinks about asking him what the hell is going on, and she thinks about opening the door, but she had never seen Troy so afraid. So Serena doesn't move, she doesn't speak, it feels like she shouldn't even breathe. She just listens. Her fists tighten as the woman's words, they enrage Serena, how his mother talks to Troy. What she says to him, her tone...how could a mother say that to their child? Serena understands the abuse of a father better, she heard stories about Jeremiah Otto, and Serena had her own demons in the form of her birth father. She knew fathers could be shit, but....but how could a mother see her child in such a way? Serena would never even think those thoughts about her daughter, and would happily end anyone who did. Serena didn't understand. From the moment Serena knew she was having Tracy, she loved her. Would do anything for her, not let anything hurt her. How could a mother act like this?
"I need more drinks." Tracy said, staring at Troy, right she came up here for a purpose aside from yelling her useless son, "you need to go pick me up some."
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Troy likes to believe he's not the type to panic. Generally in a crisis, a gunfight, and attack he's calm. It's easy to focus through the noise and see the next plan of action in front of him. And yet the sound of his mother's steps on the stairs fuel something in him that has lain dormant for years.
Pure concentrated fear. He grabs Serena by the arms and physically shoves her toward the bathroom. It isn't until he's shoved her inside and slammed the door shut that he registers why. Tracy is the Boogeyman. The monster of his childhood.
Big Otto had his own tricks, but his mother's always seemed to be worse. Cut deeper. Otto would call him a sissy, and punch him. But his mother, she would pick him apart. Why do you sit like that are you a girl? What's wrong with your eyes, you always look tired? That's wrong. You were an ugly baby. No one will ever want you. You'll die alone.
So the idea of Serena, the lightest thing in his life touching that oily darkness fills him with terror. The door crashes open and he reels back. She's got a bottle in one hand and rage in the other.
"What you think you can stay here, live in my house." He wants allowed to live in the house only the garage. "And hide from me. Jesus, if I'd known how worthless you were going to be I'd have used a condom. You're disgusting sitting up here all alone."
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Tracy learning to talk: Troy! Troy: No, Dada Tracy: Troy! Troy: Dada. Say Da-Da Tracy: … Tracy: Troy! Troy: You know what, two can play at this game. Born fertilized egg. Lyn: Troy! Troy: What?? She started it!
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otto-serena · 10 months ago
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Revenge is a Family Business
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