#sentitheory

[gale-gentlepenguin]

Adrien really is in a no win situation. Regardless of who wins.

Like let’s say Gabriel wins. He gets his wish. Emilie’s back. Nathalie and everyone isn’t dying. But the world is altered and he probably gets mind wiped or something going back to his previous life of being controlled. Which really means he stuck as the “perfect” son and doesn’t get an ounce of true happiness. I don’t think his mother will stop the engagement to Kagami. So no free will stuck in a world of his fathers making. Pretty f***ed up.

Okay now let’s say ladybug and chat noir wins. Welp, Gabriel is dying and or going to prison. Nathalie’s still sick and His mom stays dead. Oh and he will probably find out he’s a sentimonster. Which all of those at once is a triple kick in the dick. That would also make Adrien suspect number one if anything s***y happened in Paris. Probably be sued by pissed of parisians. And if word got out that he was a sentimonster? Forget it, they’d try to burn him at the stake. Not ideal and Not even covering the mental crisis and imposter syndrome he’d be dealing with. This isn’t ideal but he does have his friends and his aunt. He might want to leave Paris for a while tho.

Then I guess the third option is where maybe Gabriel realizes he done goofed up, and he ends ups remorseful. He and ladybug come up with some sort of plan to use the wish to fix things making some weird hybrid result. He still dies but Emilie’s alive but he gets his “redemption through death”. Which would at least leave Adrien with a parent but also probably results in Adrien being kept in the dark about everything because he wouldn’t be okay with any of that. But that sounds worse than the first two because Adrien gets left in the dark and sort of glosses over a LOT of things including him being in a dynamic where once again people he loves are hiding sh*t from him. Oh and it basically excuses Gabriel’s abuse, so that’s also a no. Oh and since Adrien probably wouldn’t know, it means someone else is keeping his amok which just means well s***, someone is still controlling him.

The fourth option is that Adrien is involved and uses himself to save his parents and Paris. Wishing for a world where everyone he loves could be happy. This one would piss off EVERYONE (except the Adrien haters but they don’t matter) but establish Adrien as being the most human in the series. Also it ends the ship with him dead and leaves Marinette feeling awful, unless her memories get wiped.

Quite frankly their might be more scenarios, but each one seems to end s***y for Adrien. Only the second one giving Adrien some sort of autonomy

[cardiac-agreste]

Assuming we're meant to take the season finale pretty literally, how have we not talked about how much faith Gabriel put in a 14-year-old girl to take care of his son? Like that's either Insanity or an impressive level of respect he has for Ladybug's love for his son.

[miraculousfanworks]

Fanfiction Prompt

Felix is actually rather reasonable in his plans. He had briefly debated a rather convoluted plan involving disguising himself as Adrien a few times so that he could infiltrate his uncle's home and steal the Peacock. But, in the end, he decided that there was a potentially easier method, albeit one that was a little more time consuming: he'd talk to the heroes of Paris about it. They had Miraculous of their own, so surely they'd be useful allies in his endeavours. The heroes of Paris are a little skeptical, but a Lucky Charm that was made into an "Sentimonster Detector" proved that Felix was telling the truth about his story, so they can begin planning what to do with his information. Just as soon as they all recover from the shock of the detector going off when it was briefly pointed at Chat Noir.

Prompt by BlueStarOfTheSouth

[xhanisai]

It has just dawned upon me that Adrien is literally allergic to himself huh.

[superiorgoobus]

Inspired by that one post by @gale-gentlepenguin

[mymiraclebox]

Can Vitaa and Tikki make our three sentimonsters childs (Adrien, Kagami and Felix) real humans????

Like, Tikki make them a real body with the same appearance and Vitaa make a soul using the amok

In this AU they aren't any sentibeing children, since the Peacock Miraculouses works differently in my headcanons, but in terms of canon I definitely think kwamis could help them.

They already are real humans, just created with magic, the show's creator has confirmed that-- so what's needed is a means to free them from their amok. Most importantly: to free them from mind control, to free them from being destroyed if the amok is destroyed, and to free them from the Peacock being able to destroy them.

With my OCs, Vitaa could definitely maintain their life force while the amok is being destroyed, so perhaps that'd free them from the bond. Koree could make it so the connection between them and the amok flat out never existed, so perhaps in tandem with Vitaa they could free them from the amok while keeping them alive.

I think they can be freed with the canon kwamis though. It's already canon that Cataclysm can destroy the link between amok and senti (though the Peacock can still dismiss them); but who says this can't be expanded upon? We've seen LB unlock new powers of Creation, so why not have the Black Cat be able to modify his Destruction so it only destroys the sentis' ability to be connected to the amok and the Peacock? (Bonus points Adrien gets to free himself!)

Also I bet you Liiri could do something as well. Who better to break mind control than the kwami of Freedom?

[purrincess-chat]

So… I was trying to watch the episodes in order, but I was missing Adrinette too much so I caved. I loved Perfection, but I think Protection has made me feel sad in a way no episode of the show ever had before, because of the senti theory hints. I don’t know about you, but I’ve always been against the senti theory at least for Adrien (not only because it didn’t make sense to me, but also because I think Adrien has plenty of trauma already). The senti theory possibly being canon now, and therefore meaning that Adrien doesn’t have (or rather has never had) free will is too heartbreaking for me and I don’t know how to cope with this. I guess him getting hold of his amok could solve the problem, but knowing people think Emotion confirmed the theory and that I still have to watch that and possibly more episodes of Gabriel controlling him… idk. It’s so disheartening for me and it feels very messed up. It was bad enough when we knew of Gabriel’s abusive ways as a parent without using magic, but Adrien being a senti would add a whole other (really dark) layer to that abuse that, at least at the moment, I don’t know if I could cope with. I also can’t help but feel the writers are either jumping on the bandwagon by confirming the theory, or massively trolling us (since Adrien has disobeyed his dad before). I don’t know. The show has always been a big source of comfort for me, and I think the senti theory being true would change people’s perception of the entire show, even the earlier, more light-hearted seasons. I never thought there would be something in canon that could make me consider leaving, but right now I don’t know if I could ever cope with SentiAdrien being real without always feeling sad when watching the show. I guess I’m just feeling hopeless? Maybe disappointed? I don’t know. Sorry for the rant, I just needed to get this off my chest somewhere. (If you think there’s any hope on any of this, that the writers won’t handle the abuse insensitively or that he actually has free will in a way please let me know lol would def appreciate finding the silver lining in this whole situation)

So, I can offer you my perspective on it and let you decide how you feel.

For me, I was never crazy about the senti theory either just because I'm not convinced the show is set up in a way to do it justice just from the show formula as well as the rating. Child abuse is kind of a big heavy topic with a lot of big implications and impacts. So like that topic alone is already heavy enough without introducing magical slavery into it as well. Plus all of the implications of sentihumans and the way sentimonsters have been treated up until this point in the show. It's like time travel, introducing it just makes things messy. Especially because the creator has said if a senti was created as a human there is no real difference between a senti and a human, so to me it's like what is the point then?

That being said, I went through a stint of being incredibly critical of the writing, and I do still think the writing leaves a lot to be desired at times. But I've more or less just accepted the show for what it is at this point. Call it suspension of disbelief if you want, but I'm just along for the ride at this point. I'm super happy with the Adrinette development this season, even amidst the senti business and creepy eugenics business Gabriel and Tomoe have going on with Adrien and Kagami because I know Marinette and Adrien will end up together in the end, and that's all I want. That's why I'm here, it's what I signed up for.

The way I have found to cope with all of canon's shortcomings or things I'm not fond of is just writing fic. That's what fic is for. And not even from a salty pov, but fic and fandom has always had this ability to say, "okay, but what if this happened instead?" I personally never use the senti theory in my writing and probably never will, even if it's 100% confirmed on screen. And that's my prerogative. I have my own version of the show that I use for my writing purposes, and in my personal version that theory doesn't exist. Canon be damned.

I think my salt stint years ago kind of tired me out, so now I've drastically lowered my expectations for the show, which is just a result of my fandom experiences. For me, so long as the kiddos get to smooch and be together in the end, idc what else happens. But that's my personal approach to the show at this point. The sentitheory originally left a bad taste in my mouth too, but having been in the fandom as long as I have, I've had plenty of time to become...numb to it, I suppose. I know I don't have to include it in my fan works, so that helps. Idk if that's helpful to you at all, but I find that it has helped me.

Overall, I'd say wait and see how it's handled. I always take any spoiler or leak or promo with an air of skepticism because often times those things are intentionally misleading. To me, the sentitheory is only as good as the way it's handled, so my ultimate opinion of it will come if and when they decide to rip the bandaid and confirm it on screen. I know wait and see is painfully annoying advice to receive lol. But just know that it's okay to not like everything the show does. That's a very normal way to consume media. And it sucks when you devote time to a thing and something in it eventually turns you off, but unfortunately that is always a risk with any type of media. It's okay to outgrow things.

If you want to stick with ML, I'd advise you to ask yourself what you want out of the show. For me, I just want the kiddos to be happy and in love, so I'm okay with whatever else so long as that happens. Everyone has things they want out of canon, so you have to figure out where your boundaries are. What do you hope to see? What can you accept if it happens, even if you don't care for it? Where is the line that will make you say okay, no, I'm done here? Explore your options, consider how you would feel if your worst fears were true and sit with that. Process it and come to terms with it. Figure out a way to cope with it. That's the main way I got through it. 🤷‍♀️ The way I cope is through writing, but if that's not your bag maybe it's reading or drawing or coming up with headcanons. Maybe it's hanging with friends and talking about the things you enjoy rather than the things you hate. Find whatever works for you and roll with it.

Dunno if that helps at all. I wish I could tell you it's all gonna be fine, but we just have to wait and see.

[sentirights]

For real this makes me wonder how much Amélie knows about all of this ?? Does she know about Adrien being senti ?

I feel like there's no way she wouldn't know about Félix being one for obvious reasons but it really seems she sees the twin rings as family heirlooms and nothing else.

So I have 3 theories:

- Amélie knows about Adrien but she thinks his amok is somewhere else (maybe she saw Adrien's chat noir miraculous and was like 'yep his amok, why wouldn't he have it on him after all ?')

- Amélie doesn't know about Adrien and somehow thinks Félix is the only sentichild

- Amélie knows the twin rings are Adrien's amok but she doesn't care, she either thinks Félix will keep them safe and not use them or she's like "well these rings have more sentimental value to me, I deserve to have them in my side of the family despite them having turned into amoks"

I have absolutely no idea what Amelie does and doesn't know, but if she knows that ring is part of Adrien's amok, why is she letting Felix keep it, instead of giving it to Adrien himself or to Gabriel?

[starfall-spirit]

I'm hearing the whispers and I just want to say I will be so fucking pissed if Sentiadrien is canon.

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but the consequences of Sentiadrien being canon would fuck everything over.

[gale-gentlepenguin]

"Just because you're unhappy doesn't mean I have to be too." -Adrien to Gabriel, most certainly

The words echoed in the main hall of the Agreste mansion.

The quiet mansion fell even more silent. Adrien felt shocked by his own statement. Did he really say that to his father?

“Adrien.” His father spoke up, his tone clearly trying to push past his shock and reel back control. “I am your father…”

“Then maybe start acting like one!” Adrien snapped.

Gabriel felt his hand shake behind his back.

“What has gotten into you?”

Adrien thought about it for a moment. This was it, it was his chance to tell his father how he felt. For some reason he never had the chance to let him know, he always built up confidence only for it to shrink right after his father spoke. But right now, he was not going to back down.

“Why can you never let me be happy!? Everything I want to do or try is always turned down. It’s only when you have some sort of alternative or convenience that I ever get a modicum of joy. I thought things were different, I thought you were finally changing… I thought maybe you were ready to try and be my dad again.”

Gabriel watched his son’s expression shift. He could see the frustration in his son’s eyes.

“Why can’t you let me be with Marinette?” The question had tears welling in Adrien’s eyes.

Gabriel felt himself pause for a moment. But it was at that moment he realized that this was something he could use.

Gabriel’s expression shifted to sorrow. He covered his face and turned away, as if to weep.

“I have failed you my son! I’m sorry.”

Adrien’s drive felt halted by the sight of his father supposedly crying.

“Father?”

“I am dying Adrien.”

The statement shook Adrien.

“What?”

Gabriel removed his glove to reveal the blackened skin.

“I’m on borrowed time. Everything I had been doing was to prepare you for… for the inevitable.”

“Papa please tell me you are joking.”

“I wish I was but there is nothing I can do. Soon, I and Nathalie will depart from this world.”

“Nathalie? She’s sick too.”

“Yes Adrien… it’s the same disease that took your mother. There is no cure.”

“That can’t be true! There has to be something I can do!” Adrien felt his heart sink, he felt the horror of the situation hit him like a truck.

“I’ve been searching for a cure… and it’s impossible, unless…”

“Unless what?!”

Gabriel smiled darkly for a moment, before shifting to his sorrowful expression and turning to his son.

“Do you remember that book I had in the safe?”

Adrien paused for a moment, remembering that misadventure.

“In it there is a way… two magical items needed to grant a wish.”

Adrien realized what his father was saying.

“The miraculous…”

“Yes… the miraculous are the only way to save me… save us.”

Adrien took a step back.

“But… the miraculous are dangerous… monarch is after them! He wants to use the power to wish…”

“Wish for his family to return. That’s all he ever wanted.”

The final pin dropped. Adrien understood the situation. All the cards were on the table, Gabriel’s last emotional punch.

“You’re monarch….” Adrien stumbled backwards. Falling on the ground.

“Adrien…. Please. Help me end all of this. Help me make us a family again. That wish will fix everything.”

Adrien felt his heart rip in two as he saw his father’s pleading…

He started to try and get up… to run away. He needed to get out of there!

“As your father… I ask you to stay.”

Adrien felt his muscles freeze…. He couldn’t move. Why was he unable to move!?

“Help me get Ladybug and chat noir’s miraculous… and once it’s finally over we can all be happy.”

Adrien noticed his father touching the ring. This wasn’t his father begging him… it was an order. He felt his body being compelled to obey.

“Plagg… help…” he whispered as he felt his will being sapped.

“Tell me you will hel….” Gabriel’s expression stopped as he saw a kwami fly out of his son’s jacket.

“Cataclysm!”

Plagg touched Gabriel’s forehead before he could even respond.

“No!”

His face started to turn black much like his arm… but this spread rapidly and instantly Gabriel dropped to the floor and turned to ash leaving his clothes and rings…

Adrien was gasping for air… his father was controlling him, his father was monarch, he was a sentimonster, and … his father was gone.

[cardiac-agreste]

Adrien's Guilt

A brief thought. It's a trope (and maybe real but I've—mercifully—never been exposed to it) for a child whose mother who died in childbirth to feel like they killed their mother (and sometimes the dad doesn't let them forget it).

I think something to explore in fanfic is Adrien processing that same guilt, as it's analogous.

I am reading @anna-scribbles new fic thirteen and nothing I've seen touches on this (so it's no spoilers!), but it's a meditative Adrien fic, and its spirit moved me to this idea.

[lulubui]

So, while rereading the Bubbler, I noticed @ozawa-torio mention this

Nino pulled out the child law to confiscate Adrien's freedom.

In which gives me an idea, that Emilie still used the peacock to create a "fake" Adrien (let's call him senti-Adri), the real Adrien is a normal human being, but the senti-Adri replaced Adrien spotted as going out to do a health check-up, doing ID or something that needed to leave the house so that police and FBI don't notice about the Agreste's child isolation (that's mean real Adrien being locked up at home)

The senti-Adri dressed up similar to Adrien and Felix, a mixture of them so Adrien thought that it was Felix the whole time. Graham doesn't know about this. But when Felix did the research and found out the dark secret, he wanted to seek revenge on Gabriel (not knowing Emilie was the culprit), his goal was to use the peacock and create a fake Gabriel, leaking out the truth to media.

When overused the Peacock's miraculous to restrained Senti-Adri existence, Emilie died and all of that happened.

On the other hand, Tomoe's goal is creating a living god, a powerful yet perfect entity to help her shape Kagami into a flawless daughter, that's the reason why she co-operated with Gabriel, who also wanted to revive his death wife and make something that could protect both of them (Emilie and Adrien).

So, by what you are meaning that there won't be any actual senti-kid in the au, then what causes the death of Emilie with the whole main villain plot point?

Of course, this could be seen in Adrien's rebellion against Gabriel and all, what about Tomoe's goal and Felix's targeted ?

Just gonna give Emilie another reason to over use the Peacock Miraculous' power. Even before her disappearance, Adrien STILL wasn't going to school. So I think I can figure something out.

Tomoe will most likely have a different goal and Félix... ooof!

I've only posted about three seasons of the Scarabée and Kitty Claws AU. So I'm opened to more ideas.

If you haven't noticed, I really never cared much for the Senti-Teen theories (which is why I only posted one about Chloé). So it's mostly not gonna be in this AU.

[noblechaton]

happy see Adrien's film career take off like this

[miraculosus]

When I say I can’t accept sentiadrien or even that I deny it, that doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s canon it means I think it was a bad move. And it makes me not want to watch the show

[ilikekidsshows]

The thing I don't like from the senti theory that been going around lately in the fandom is that some people like to simplified and reduce Adrien's reaction and act simply because Gabriel create him that way. Adrien having trouble to express his anger? Oh it's because he's created that way. Adrien is a people pleaser? Yeah that's because Gabriel create him that way. Adrien can't talk back to his father? Gabriel made him can't do it by twisting his ring! Gabriel commanded Adrien and he comply? That's because Gabriel has his amok! They agree that Adrien is abused but most of them also agree that Adrien's inability to fight back Gabriel command is solely because of the amok not a trauma respond or at least mostly the former.

I'm a firm believer that senti Adrien is a big bullshit because if Gabriel has that power to control Adrien 24/7 then he would do it without hesitation, he won't need to wait until Adrien show a sign of rebelling to use it. He would do it every fucking single time! This is Gabriel, the same person who mock Ladybug and Cat Noir for getting sentimental over a sentimonster after all.

If I have a power that could control my son-puppet emotion, feeling and action, I wouldn't bother to manipulate-gaslight him. It's a waste of time and energy. He doesn't like the pancake I made? Twist the amok and he would eat it without protest. No effort needed. Unless this is the whole Even Evil Has Standard but I doubt it is.

This is another case of the Senti Stans being completely unaware of the implications of the things they’re saying. Like, they do not mean to imply the things they imply, you’ll see this in how genuinely angry and defensive they get every time someone points out said implications. This doesn’t change the fact that almost every single time a new defense of SentiAdrien shows up, it does indeed imply some stuff that really grinds people’s gears.

Because, here’s the thing; chalking up Adrien’s trauma responses as being a result of him being a Sentimonster is literally saying that he acts the way he does because he is not human. This idea that his Sentimonster programming informs his behavior is the same thing as saying that these actions make more sense if he’s not human. Said actions being trauma responses creates the implication that people who act like they’ve been traumatized act in unreasonable, weird or inhuman ways. It’s literally othering trauma victims as something other than a “normal” human.

This is why people who are against the SentiAdrien concept say that the concept makes light of Adrien’s story being an abuse story. The Stans can claim until they’re blue in the face that they still view Adrien’s abuse as abuse, but everything else they say creates implications that ring as the opposite, especially when they say that him being a Sentimonster would “explain” his or Gabriel’s behavior, when nothing about their situation is different from a real life abusive relationship.

If something already happens in the real world, unless the fictional universe is changing its mechanics, it requires no fantastical explanation. In the world of Equestria, seasons don't pass naturally, so the ponies need to pull off a Winter Wrap-up to change winter to spring. The only reason Gabriel's abuse and Adrien's responses to it would need to be explained is if neither existed naturally in the world of Miraculous. And, since Miraculous seems to be functioning similarly to our world when it comes to family stuff, that would be like the show was denying the actual existence of abusive families, especially if all the rich/abused kids are Sentimonsters, which is the popular current take on the concept.

In a fandom where people still vilify Adrien for his trauma responses, let’s not give the hatedom even more reasons to demonize him by saying him being a Sentimonster explains jack shit. It just gives people who don’t sympathize or empathize with trauma victims a free pass.

Here’s the thing about Gabriel’s characterization in a SentiAdrien situation: it doesn’t work no matter how you spin it. No matter what he’ll come out of it with inconsistent characterization and his behavior not making sense.

Option one is that Gabriel doesn’t care about Adrien and doesn’t care about Sentimonsters. That means that he would be using the Amok constantly to get out of dealing with Adrien wanting different things than he does, but he doesn’t do that so it’s inconsistent.

Option two is that Gabriel loves Adrien and therefore doesn’t want to control him. Then why is he okay with other people keeping hold of his son’s essence when he couldn’t trust them to begin with (Félix) or is learning he can’t trust them anymore (Nathalie)? It still doesn't make sense.

Either way we spin Gabriel’s relationship to his remote-control robot son, it just doesn’t work. Even if we go back by about a year back to the third option of Gabriel not knowing Adrien is a Sentimonster, that would just make all the Sentimonster “foreshadowing” nonsense.

[nedjsmlfavs]

In which Ladybug announces that she’s pregnant via her long term boyfriend and Chat Noir is a supportive partner. After all, he can hardly be upset when he’s been dating his Princess for years!

A different take on the show’s tagline (“The Power of Love Always so Strong”) written for Valentine’s day 2023.

Words: 28,305 Rating: T Status: Complete

Happy Valentine's Day! I hope you enjoy it! Lots of fluff awaits you. Unless you're Gabriel. If you're Gabriel, then you get to suffer. Also, new rule, every time I don't like what canon does with Nino, I'm gonna write a fic where he's the best friend ever!!!