#selfcest doesnt exist

[catwouthats]

Sylvie shipping lokius 🤝 Mobius shipping sylki

[nostalgia-tblr]

I've been on AO3 a lot recently and I want to ask why in a world that does actually have Sylki Incest AUs have I never seen an AU where Sylvie is a Thor variant. It practically writes itself, surely? And the resulting "crossing over into the main MCU timeline to meet Thor" fics would be even more awkward when they hit the inevitable 'so who's your new gf, bro?' scene.

[glimpsesofeuterpe]

... so normal™ about Loкi doing time jumps

[mistwithwings]

hi tumblr it's been 2 yrs... how u doing.

[real-total-drama-takes]

I dont ship this at all, nor am i defending it because personally it is such a terribke ship, but i think some total drama fans need to know this

Mal x Mike can happen, I think they need to know that Mike's D.I.D wasnt accurate back then ( plus, im pretty sure the creator said that if they could go back and rewrite the system, they would ), and its pretty easy to ignore the horrible rep and completely "rewrite" it in your head

Alters can date eachother, so that means that the alters, any one of them, could be dating another of them and if your only defense is "but its selfcest!!!" you need to staple your mouth shut and never speak again

Mal, Vito, Manitoba, Mike, Svetlana ( not including chester, hes like 63 ) could be dating someone in the system, or out of it but just because the show is old and has terrible rep doesnt mean that certian rarepairs ( extremely. rarepairs ) cant happen

And like I said, I dont ship Mal and Mike because honestly, its such a terrible ship but its not only them, Vito x Manitoba, Mike x Svetlana, they can all exist, the only things wrong with their compatability is ;

1. Being toxic ( Depends on how you picture Mal and his personality )

2. Age difference ( Chester )

3. Sexuality headcanons ( E.g defending someone for shipping their Lesbian Svetlana hc with their Gay Vito hc )

Other than that, the ships are completely fine all around

[casawio]

Saying selfcest is "problematic" is like saying vore or tentacle stuff is problematic. It literally cannot exist it doesnt happen in real life 😭😭 People just like to crusade because it has "cest" in the name instead of actually thinking critically about it

[t4tdanvis]

Dante selfcest rant 👀 👀

-@gendervoid-zane

im going to shove a couple (read: many) posts ive previously made about this here and then rant about it MORE bc im MENTALL ILL!!!!!

now AHEM

u see this could work with mcd dante ending up in the mys universe OR mys dante ending up in the mcd universe - or even they go back and forth between both!! either way could be very interesting and silly

with mcd dante ending up in the mys universe, it would be very funny to watch him try to figure out what the Fuck is going on bc mf has no idea what a phone or a computer is and is just so fucking confused. at first mys dante is more focused on going "hey wanna play video games!!!" to stop and process that mcd dante doesnt even know what a video game is. and then seeing mcd dantes confusion at Literally Everything he decides to sit down and try to explain things (unfortunately mys dante is Dumb - fortunately mcd dante is equally Dumb so mys dante going "this is a phone... it does... stuff.... you can call people!! idk how they made it able to do that tho dont ask me :D" is good enough for him)

on the other hand, with mys dante ending up in the mcd universe, itd be even Crazier because mys dante (who is used to having the internet and a car and big cities etc) is now stuck in the medieval era. thankfully mcd dante is here to help!! except he does a horrible job of helping bc he just goes "well im sure he'll figure everything out!" and then hands mys dante a sword - and is shocked when he ends up getting injured. mys dante doesnt mind because running around and throwing himself into danger is fun (especially when he gets to do that with a "friend" (read: boyfriend who he hasnt figured out hes dating yet))!! mys dante is also Struggling because adhd meds dont exist yet and his brain is completely fried and he can barely function until zoey figures out how to make potions thatll help. which leads to mys dante bouncing off the walls and mcd dante having to practically drag him to bed every night to get him to go to sleep, until mys dante Finally is able to function properly again

and, of course, the inherent romantic comedy of "i cant be in love with this other version of myself nope nope nope- oh god the other version of me is hot". the first time they kissed they stared at each other for a solid five minutes before mcd dante went "so uh.... yeah....." and mys dante just went "that was like... kissing myself. haha"

they are both Dumb and do not know how to function correctly around each other. they are mischievous silly little guys who cant stop getting into trouble and getting injured and doing stupid shit (but its ok bc their friends somehow keep them from getting themselves killed). and also they definitely tried to make out in a tree but ended up falling out of it and getting hurt. and at one point they tried to make out underwater and somehow didnt realize how stupid of an idea thatd be until they almost drowned. theyre gay and silly and dumb ur honor

this post was uhhhh way longer than id expected but thats ok ty for listening to me rant sorry it took a bit to type all this LOL

[cheez-cuits]

as a hardcore doodleduo fan YOU DONT GET ITTTT 💔💔💔💔💔💔

Its NOT "problematic" bc selfcest/mirrorshipping, by all means isnt possible so its in this "gray area" morally, but USUALLY it doesnt hurt anyone so fuck it if you wanna ship mk with his clones do it besties self love

BUT. WHAT YOU GUYS DONT FUCKINF GET IS THEIR FUXKING DYNAMIC WITH EACHOTHER.

This is BORDERING VICTIM X ABUSER and that isnt even tbe word to describe them, theyre just toxic to hell and back and I Get wanting "toxic yaoi" or whatever but like. Guys. How would that even work.

Inkay is a manifestation of all of mks fears and doubts and self-hatred, why on earth would they see him as anything "romantic" and vice versa for mk THAT THING RUINED HIS LIFE !!!! hes no longer the person he thought he was bc this thing gave him the knowledge that he isnt even human, this thing used his insecurities to break him. That is its entire job, to torture and drag mk out from his safe little comfort zone of pure denial.

WHY WOULD YOU WANT THEM TO KISS ⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️😭😭😭😭

and the wukong and macaque comparison doesnt make sense AT ALL

Guess what bestie, this is Lego Monkie Kid not journey to the west, this is LMKs interpretation of these characters and they are NOT like inkay and mk at all

Shadowpeach BOTH fucked up, theyre both morally gray characters and their dynamic Shows that

Doodleduo? One of them is just a guy trying to live his life happily and one of them is a curse meant to torture. Wheres the correlation between thempleas-

Youre jsut mischaracterizing them by shipping them, yes it may be cute to you but girl How would they Work. I just. I dont get it please explain to me why you think its ok to ship them bc While you can ship them, Why would you. It just doesnt make sense for WHO they are and What they are towards eachother

Sorry for my rant but this ship has been the bane of my existence as fhe #1 doodleduo fan im sorry........ 💔💔💔💔

[linkeduniverse-confessions]

Ok. Im putting this here because i am not confident enough to post it GUEHTJIYO

i don't see the problem with selfcest. I understand not shipping the links, because its against jojos boundaries, but people who are against raviolink and vidow because its selfcest are kind of weird. what is morally wrong about selfcest. It doesnt even exist IRL, yanno? undertale and onceler fans did it and no one gave a shit. Who cares

[entertainmentforgods]

Thoughts I had about Loki when I couldnt sleep.

1.What are variants?

I was really wondering about the concept of variants and looking for something comparable in real life. I think what comes closest is that a variant is like a species, only that instead of sharing both characteristics and physical traits, variants only share characteristics. All Lokis use similar magic, are insecure and cover up their insecurities with questionable techniques like lying and betraying. But they dont look the same. 

Btw. If you look at it from this perspective all the selfcest theories fall apart, so thats a plus :D

2. The sacred timeline doesnt make sense?

Okay, so this might be a bit harder to explain.

So, there is one sacred timeline in which everything has to stay the same for all time, right? Therefore actually, there could only be one kind of Loki variant. Only one kind of Loki can exist on the sacred timeline because it is the only timeline and it cant change. Hence Loki variants should all look like Tom Hiddleston actually. Because for there to be different Lokis, like a black Loki or an Alligator Loki there would need to be another timeline which is different from Hiddleston Loki. But there cant be. So those variants...dont make sense to me anymore. Where do they come from? They would need to be from a time before the TVA when there still where multiple timelines. 

Thats the only reasonable explanation I can come up with here.

[milos-journal]

OO OO OO i have things to say abt this. and this is not an attack on u at all op, moreso a launching point to talk abt my take on this (since my blog is a t12-heavy one)

so i mostly agree w this until we get to the tags (for context, these are the tags. if u cant read em well there is an alt text)

first, tw for adam, his actions (and the triggers applying to them) and t12 for the rest of this post. im on mobile rn so i cant put a cut but imagine one here.

t12 is imo one of the rare cases where we cant exactly be.. divorcable 100%? you can and you cant. i think the course of action best taken is moreso “intake the media but don’t fully death-of-the-author it. keep in mind what he’s done and how that affects his series”

like, for a more lighthearted example, adam was definitely into selfcest, which im not gonna discourse abt the morals of that thats just a thing that was there and on the table. so its not shocking he had noah interact w versions of himself so often.

adam was into kidnapping, stalking, glasses and stripes (no i cant explain any of those). so observers Everything is not a shock.

adam often used t12 and noah maxwells character as a springboard to groom young, impressionable people and even take advantage of full grown adults, so its understandable WHY people dont like adam and hence dont like noah OR tribetwelve. a lot of adams fetishes and personal ideals were all over it.

adam glorified noahs character for a reason, even if he claimed it was the “worst parts of himself as a character”. it clearly wasnt, why else would he have spent time in milos journal for milo to praise the character, and wouldnt have written noah to be sympathetic. he took critiques on noahs character to be critiques on himself so he said noah was the worst parts of him to make him look better. adam doesnt EXACTLY equal noah but the two DO deliberately overlap a lot, and its important to keep that in mind when approaching the character. but at the same time BECAUSE adam was so connected to noah, the character felt very real to a lot of people. a lot of noah being “dumb” is very reasonable reactions to me considering half the story noahs deeply stressed and the other half he’s being told the world is on his shoulders.

on that note, theres still a lot to enjoy about the series! tribetwelve is still a series thats not half bad. it had good editing, fun imagery/symbolism and intruiging charaxters (even if adam didnt know how to write them). i ESPECIALLY think the fan community that prior existed (and still kind of does, even if barely alive) made the series. i noticed a LOT of stereotypically “weird kids” gravitated towards tribetwelve and hence it made an UNBREAKABLE community. even if a lot of people left the sv community after adam was outed, a lot of those people still held long-lasting friendships because of the series. and to say none of those things arent there would be a fucking shame.

people LOVED tribetwelve for a reason, even if most people considered it stand alone not that great (because lets be real some parts of it are just. not that great.) but to watch t12 and not be able to know just what it caused and the influence adam had on its creation is to not address the elephant in the room.

again, this is not an attack on op or their opinion. there is no right way to consume media. this is just a point ive wanted to get out my thoughts for a while but never knew when to get it out or fully express it and i feel like a discussion NEEDS to be had in sv, especially t12, on consuming content made by problematic people, especially if the content can be seen as problematic in itself. my point is, you can mostly divorce tribetwelve. keyword mostly. but people have to acknowlege some of what is put into tribetwelve is disturbing (cough cough NAZIS cough) and the series itself has a poor track record of being used to take advantage of minors, so some people just do NOT want to acknowlege it. however it also holds artistic merit as any piece of media does and has created a strong, tight-knit community thats almost completely morphed the series itself. and both of these are okay and CAN coexist and are imo very decent takes to have! and at the end of the day, maybe tribetwelve was just the friends we made along the way.

thank u for coming to my ted talk (first longform post ive made in a while)

i think its really unfortunate when people ignore tribetwelve now because the creator sucks. tribetwelve is awesome as hell with insane visuals and it doesnt deserve that

[just-antithings]

I hate when anti things form out of being critical of a presentation of a ship. Like I'll see this happen in the MCU quite a bit people will not like how they wrote a particular relationship. Like for example not like Steve Peggy in Endgame because of what it means for both their arcs. Or not liking BruceNat just with how its characterized and how both characters act within it. Or not liking Loki Sylvie because you don't like the portrayal of self love being potrayed through selfcest. Which thats all very fine no reason why you have to like a ship. I dont think its wrong to be frustrated at writing and dislike a ship and be open about that. But then they kinda either exaggerate their discomfort or invent some interpretation of the ship to make it seem more hatable. Like Loki Sylvie is incest actually or BruceNat is abusive. Or StevePeggy is a no homo. And of course its unfair to people who like that ship because now they are defending themselves for liking aspects of a ship that arent even part of the ship. But its also unfair if you dislike the ship because now we have stopped talking about any real flaws with the writing and inventing something that doesnt even exist to dislike.

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[afriendlyblackhottie]

Omg did you like Loki? I think it was good but the Loki x sylvie thing wasn’t necessary.

In the “self acceptance” view, I kind of understand why they had Loki be so open with her, but the falling in love/like, was so weird to me.

People are like “selfcest can’t even exist in real life so it’s not a thing” ITS STILL FUCKING WEIRD!!

Just because Sylvie is female presenting doesnt mean that her and our Loki have to be together. It’s like if they put Loki and President Loki together. Weird as hell.

Does all of this mean that I would not engage in a dirty, filthy threesome/orgy with them?? No, not at all.

After the way it ended the Sylvie thing was a little unnecessary 😬 but I didn’t really mind them that much I liked her

But it was a little creepy when you really think about it so I’m trying to not think it’s like it’s low-key he does more fucked up things like at least he’s not fucking sheep‘s in the MCU you know I think that’s where I’m like look it’s either him fucking himself or sheep. If anything Sylvia is really a step up from that.

[recordmcqueen]

hi hello rate these ships : boifang, kaifang, gofang, goboifang, boya, faya, fayi, yayi, kaiya, kaiboy, ramenzo you have to answer this one particular ship as 10/10 or ill steal yer knees and toes

O-O a-aight random stranger--

A+: OTP

A: I love it

B: It’s really cute

C: Not a bad ship

D: I’m neutral on it

E: I don’t really like it

F: NOTP

N/A: I don’t know the ship well enough

boifang: B bc fandom has kinda ruined it for me so i dont enjoy it as much as i once did :,)

kaifang: F- as a ship?? u gud??

gofang: A++ oh god i EAT this stuff for breakfast lunch n dinner mmm tbh theres only one other ship that im more invested in at the moment but heck if i see gopal n fang in the same image n dont start frothing-

goboifang: A+++++++++++ this ship is literal supremacy gebs can heck right off this is my food this is my home this is my LIFE and if it werent for That One Other Ship Which Dominates My Braincells At Present i’d probs be crankin out actual contents for my nonexistent fellow shippers //jkjk kamy ily where would i be without u oml

boya: D theres some cute art n stuff and i understand Why people ship it (spoiler alert: its not a very valid reason but who am i to stop them) but ehhhhh i dont Get it besides theyre top-notch mlm n wlw solidarity also the fandom is kinda scary to me ngl theyre very uhm Pure Innocent Fwuffy Beans UwU :,)

faya: N/A ive seen some art and it fills me with a sheer passivity it’s just hard to explain what i feel about it aside from I Dont Care

fayi: B theyve got some sweet dynamic there and while yayi n gbf supremacy im a multishipper at heart. although. the fandom depiction of the ship. is not remotely what i see when i ship them. way to disappoint me again fandom :,))

yayi: A oh god honestly im guilty of underappreciating these gals bc bren full of other ships oop but theYRE QUEENS OML SUCH A HECKIN POWER COUPLE AN FLIPFRACKIN CANON HNNNNNNN monsta had to nerf them bc their lesbian power made them too competent and bbb is supposed to be the main charac-

kaiya: N/A i dont think anyone seriously ships it? im prettyyyy sure all the arts r for like self-insert purposes bc im fairly certain kaizo doesnt even actually know yaya exists also. is there even a potential dynamic?? ive never thought about them for reasons that should be obvious FBI OPEN UP

kaiboy: D //long sigh okay dont get me wrong i do not Ship it although i know people who do and i know exactly where theyre coming from so do i See it? yes. do i Ship it? no siree FBI OPEN UP

ramenzo: A++ this is the only ship that gives me inspiration + motivation to write anything anymore and also the literal only valid kaizo ship (i mean aside from pirate bud but uh rip their relationship also i doubt anyone ships him with shieldblings but even thats a little hmmmmmmm nah for me) god i could go on a rant about how im partial to the rarepairs n get invested in characs who have oodles of unexplored potential (is that a pun? idk-) but i barely have the coherence for that so just hnnn THEM //squawking flappy noises

tho imma say gofang n ramenzo r on the same lvl just bc of personal petty reasons (I Dont. Like. The Blue Bird.) otherwise ramenzo would probs be higher (zero disrespect for gofang tolerated i just prefer to include the Smol Orange yknow) but yeye

love how you refused to acknowledge the existence of boicest shippers hahshshsh the fandom is qUAKING also u didnt mention any sai ships im :/ but issokie anyway STAN THE ULTIMATE SHIP AYU YU X KIKI TA (no this still isnt That One Ship That Im Obsessed With but its a good frickin ship >:v)

conclusion: fandom stop latching onto selfcest/ships with weird age gap/ships that r gopalphobic and start respecting the real legends in this house of fanimonsta SMH

[papas-cheeseria-gay]

I was talkin abt the selfcest thing but tbf that doesnt really count. Damn im learning so much more cursed stuff <3 i remember a few episodes and this otter lady as well an an episode about a red squirrel? Idk - amii

oh yes yes marlene is her name i think. skipper and marlene had a friendship and like an implied romance sorta (i believe??). also i think king julien had a crush on her, but only when he thought that she wasn’t marlene, but some person named ‘arlene’. also the red squirrel was kinda a reoccurring villain, but i really dunno what he was doing. he just existed. there were a bunch of one-off villains, and i think in one episode one of private’s unicorn toys got possessed by some evil spirit and in turn a spirit of some old wise guy who defeated the evil spirit possessed mort. also there was a whole episode about a bus running over animals AND an episode in which the other penguins thought that skipper was a zombie (which honestly scared me cause in some moments it was genuinely shot like a horror movie)

also idfk what they were doing with the selfcest, but that was in all hail king julien and i never watched that

[piggiechi]

wtf i keep seeing conflicting things on whether akaza and kohaku are the same person or not