#saltybet

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LITTLE SISTER REVERSE SWEEP!!!

[violetreminder]

I miss SaltyBet so much

[tj99er]

Fuck it. Imaginary Gambling time!

Live watching some SaltyBet

[eatenbyfaeries]

Have you ever heard of Salty Bet?

how about a fighting game where the entire roster is fundamentally undefeatable comedy protagonists. bugs bunny. popeye with his spinach. saitama.

[tribow]

Thinkin about how bad powerscaling discourse is again lmao.

Y'all really be using real life physics and math for fictional worlds and characters.

You cannot just apply real world physics to fiction unless the author establishes their fictional worlds abides by real life physics. Otherwise, the author has free reign to do anything they want physics be damned.

I do not care if a character needs whatever metric tons of force to pull off a certain feat. It doesn't matter how strong something needs to be to break a boulder of a certain size. If the author didn't give the numbers themselves then you're projecting reality on a character that doesn't exist in it.

As an example, lets take Makoto from Blazblue. She can do an uppercut so hard that it sends her opponent into the moon, plants a giant imprint of her fist on said moon, and shatters the moon completely.

For powerscaling, this would mean Makoto can at any time, blow up the planet by punching really hard. However, in the context of Blazblue Makoto can only do this by getting enough meter to use her Astral Finish. The move is super reactable, Makoto can just whiff or just get blocked. She has to confirm a specific hit that she dumps all her energy into just to do it. Otherwise, Makoto is mostly throwing very strong, but not moon destroying punches. She can't start a fight with that punch nor can she just simply land it.

Are you now telling me anyone who can theoretically out-perform Makoto in hand-to-hand combat enough to not get hit by her Astral Finish is a planatary level threat? That's dumb. Every Blazblue character is capable of withstanding a moon obliterating attack because they can block? That's even more dumb!

Also that word: "perform". That's important in any battle. You can't apply numbers to a performance, that's a skill. Real life MMA fighters don't win their battles because of their powerscaling numbers. It's just raw skill expression of battle. Not to mention the numerous other factors that go into a fight. How's their mental health, physical health, the environment, weather, focus, knowledge of who they're fighting, and what are their wants and needs?

If you ask me, any character can win any fight all thanks to our lord and saviour:

Context

That's what makes a fight fun.

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coffee and the morning saltybet

[mugenfinder]

Hello! apologiez if this is random or anything like that, but i just wanted to show off a character i found off saltybet!

her name is march and i think she's a whole original character :> https://mugenarchive.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=85639-march-neoneo

reason i send her to you is cuz from what i see, there's barely any content of March online <//3 which sucks cuz she looks real cool!

anyways uh, thats it- bye

Yeah I commissioned @hypemstar for a drawing of her a while back cause I usually go for art of original characters or edits if I feel like commissioning.

Interestingly, she's NeoNeo's only character, they mainly did AI for others.

I'll do a video on her when I'm more focused.

Thanks for sharing.

[steeltempura]

That's just mugen tbh

The next Smash Bros. game should cut the entire fighter roster and replace it with all the assist trophies from Ultimate like this would legitimately be a banger lineup

[swamplevel]

i love saltybet so much. there is no where else on twitch you can go to and see saber alter who exclusively moves with flashsteps go toe-to-toe with a sprite edit of golden fantasia lucifer who has 3 million health while a crucified ultraman chibi watches

[demilypyro]

Have you ever messed around on saltybet?

I don't know what that is

[911boofer]

the modern tranny yearns for saltybet

[256gb]

you’re all invited to come over to my apartment and watch saltybet with me

[galactica-phantom]

my nephew got pretty good at smash and asks to watch saltybet every time i go over there

i am...some kind of influence

[pretend-wizard]

The discourse happening in the Saltybet chat this morning

[ilaiyayaya]

I think professional game players and like, other similar performative, skill based "jobs" are a really good example of why I think the idea of AI taking over every job is kinda ridiculous, like yea it definitely is going to ruin a lot of jobs and that's still obviously bad, but I think the idea of it completely phasing out humans in every regard is really dumb and disregards the entire point of a lot of things. Art is the biggest category of "job" I'm mostly referring to, but definitely not the only one, like, a huge part of the appeal of art isn't just the thing itself that you see/hear/etc. but also the idea that that thing had effort and passion put into it, a lot of arguments against AI I see say that AI could never replicate certain artstyles and visual features of art, like for examples hands being bad, but like, yea it can't now but it almost definitely will be able to physically replicate every aspect of art we see, but that completely ignores an entire other, arguably (I would make the argument, I am making the argument) far more important aspect, the feeling of something, not even just art, just anything, the way it makes you feel, the creator feel, the vibe, the idea behind it. I bring up video game players as a perfect example of this because I saw a tweet earlier today that said something along the lines of "'AI is coming for our jobs' I'd like to see an AI perform the same combo 50 times consecutively in one take" and like, yea even right now an AI could very easily do that, far easier than a human could, but like, do people watch AI do combos like they do for human players? do they get invested in communities centered around large tournaments of AI competitiors? no (I mean, I guess SaltyBet exists, but like, that's kind of an entirely different thing) because while yes they are physically doing the exact same thing, watching human competitors do it has a whole different vibe behind it, those are people, like me, and they have funny wacky thought processes behind the things they do, like me, and also they yell slurs when they lose to a hard counter-pick, like Hbox! Even like, non-art/competitive stuff I think this still applies to, like I always hear people complain about how fast food places like mcdonalds suck to eat at now because they know that they're just ordering at like, a screen or whatever and like, robot food (idk i havent eaten at a mcdonalds in years, woefully underinformed comparison), and like yea, companies don't care about that so those jobs probably will still get mostly phased out eventually on a large scale, but I don't think they'll be completely phased out, and if they do get replaced it may even end up being a short term issue anyways if John McDonkeys loses enough money from doing it.

Also like, the end goal for a lot of AI people is literally just making humans again, like just making AI that's the same as a real human and like, ok so like we have humans again now, what's the point??? You wasted decades, potentially centuries of research and money on something we already have? go out and touch skin bitch god i hate elon musk sorry the demons took hold again

Basically moral of they story is AI is dumb and stupid and lame and dumb and bad, but also I have faith in humanity, even in the average random FUCKING IDIOT YOU YES YOU MINDLESS CONSUMER I SAW YOU PURCHASE THAT NINTENDO GAME YOU FOOL (haha me :)) to no longer care about or support AI stuff significantly enough in the long-term once the novelty wears off for it to actually be nearly as much of an issue as doomer internet people want it to be.

[mugenfinder]

If you ever want to just dive for MUGEN characters without really thinking about it, you can go to SpriteClub's Roster. You have to pay even look at SaltyBet's directly, though there's probably a site for that.

They don't have download links but you'll at least get an idea of who to look for.

Characters are organized by performance with 1st Division being the strongest. Keep in mind that doesn't mean they're fun to play or even good quality, it just means they win the most often.

Good quality characters are probably mixed in all over since 5 and 4 is where the most normal characters are but their default AI might not be good enough to win often. While others could be higher because they have AI patches. F Division seems to have good characters, they're likely separate for various reasons like glitching out or breaking AI.

They also have a list of stages.