#saint seiya problematic

[the-proship-hellhole]

Antis in the saint Seiya fandom unwittingly shipping problematic ships are so fucking common?? Just saw someone with "against pedophilia" on their bio reblog a nsfw art of shaka and Saori, when Saori is canonically 13. Also in twitter saw someone calling random shippers gross while shipping Kanon x Thetis (28 and 15)

I don't know why but I find it really funny

The one that cracks me up is if you go by the manga, Hyoga/Shun (like the most popular pairing in the series) is technically incest since they're half brothers.

And I'm surprised NO ONE'S said that Shiryu/Shunrei is incest because they were raised as siblings when Shiryu was training under Dohko.

And not to mention the super huge age gap with Shion (200+) and Mu (~20-ish?)

Also, I think Ikki/Pandora is technically getting into incest territory since Pandora is Hades' sister and Shun is Hades' vessel and Pandora wants to fuck her brother's vessel's brother.

Also, why are antis even IN the Saint Seiya fandom? Saint Seiya is based on Greek Mythology! Do you know how much problematic content is in Greek Mythology?!

~ Mod Niecest

[mistress-of-vos]

I'd make a longer post (and maybe one day I will) but since Lore Olympus, the story that introduced me to webtoons is coming to an end I'd like to say something:

I can't believe it is considered problematic. It has to be one of the sweetest, fluffiest, simplest stories I have read (hence why I still like it, it's a relaxing read before bed) and somehow it got too "kinky" for mainstream. It's laughable.

Everytime I dare to click on their tag or look for the # on Twitter or FB I see people clutching their pearls as if Lore Olympus were brainwashing teenagers into marrying a non existent God of the dead and have babies with him. What the hell?

The fact that people think LO is too dark makes me laugh. A single episode of Rick&Morty, BoJack Horseman or HQS has way more explicit content and dialogue. In fact!!! If it were up to me LO would have gotten genuinely kinky!!! All it does is have some surface spicy tropes that get sugar coated to not make puritans awkward and tbh that's sad. LO and the author get terribly hated anyway for daring to portray the most common female fantasy.

And this all makes me laugh but also mad because you'd think LO at least has some genuine dark themes but no? At most we have Persephone's trauma due to Apollo's abuse and yet that topic is treated as a therapy pamphlet because people couldn't handle an imperfect victim. Hades is a wife guy who shows little to no anger. Hera was re written to be sort of a feminist so that people stopped being annoying about women having emotions.

LO is a sweet, simple story with tiny spicy things here and there that were eventually pushed aside because people couldn't handle it. I wonder how Rachel feels about this, because at the beginning the story was extremely spicy and the only crime was being published in a platform as webtoon, full of people who can't differentiate reality from fiction.

Is LO a masterpiece? Idk! I enjoy the story, it's very self indulgent for me, but I won't go and analyze every detail to see how it should be labeled as it's not meant to be a perfect media. It's meant to be an entertaining, nice story of romance and it does that job very well. This need to demand perfect writing while also crucifying authors over "dark" themes is ridiculous and contradictory.

And I keep wondering, if these people loathe LO so much, why dedicate all that time to the infinte posts they make about how they would have told the story? And all those re tellings are boring! It's always "So Persephone and Hades won't ever kiss here because she's a lesbian. Also he doesn't appear at all. And Demeter isn't an abusive mom! Oh and everyone is ugly because gods shouldn't be beautiful! And Apollo isn't evil he's uwu baby. And no toxic relationships here, Zeus is a good husband!"

Sweet Gaia, you guys wouldn't handle Saint Seiya having Athena in the body of a teenage girl with big tits and who's constantly in the edge of breaking her virginity vows. This attitude screams of jealousy and puritanism and both are disgusting.

TLDR: LO being too problematic for people is both funny and annoying. I wished it actually were as kinky and dark as people insist it is. I'd pay for a toxic romance, but that being said, I LOVE it very much as it is and it's nice to have a re telling that, while not pretending to be loyal to mythology, didn't go for a route of sanitizing all the myths. I hope that once it ends haters will move on and let real fans and the author alone. 🙏

[sagasei]

INTRODUCTION

Greetings everyone, here's my bio....feel free to block if you're not a fan of what I post, I don't mind. Anyways...

ABOUT ME

Saga, Adult (Over 20), Gay Man & Taken, System, Mentally+Chronically ill, Fictionkin, Selfshipper, Proshipper.

For a long time, I've wanted to make a blog where I can post about the more "inappropriate" stuff that I am into that falls under the proship umbrella. I want to find other people with similar interests to me that are also proship.

I am mainly a fan of Saint Seiya, Hetalia and G/ndam (UC). My favorite pairings are Saga x Seiya, Saga x Kanon, Kanon x Sorrento, Ikki x Shun, UsUk, and Charm/ro but I have others from these fanbases.

I kin Saga, and identify with him heavily. Figure that's important.

If my intro ends up showing in the main tags for my interests, I apologize-that is unintentional of me.

By calling myself a proshipper, I mean that I ship some stuff with problematic elements, and don't really care about what other people ship as long as they don't bring dark ideals into reality-simple as that. I do not care for shipping discourse, as I feel there are far more important things to worry about. I will not engage with hate or drama.

DNI

Antis

Minors

Discourse heavy blogs

Anti fictionkin

Basic criteria (homophobic, ableist, blah blah)

I'm not sure what else to put here, I just hope that I can meet some nice people to talk about stuff I like with. Thank you for reading! I follow back from my main where I don't post abt proship stuff, if you want to talk abt that kind of thing @ me here instead ^_^

[battle-shonen-brackets]

Because what goes together better than battle shonen manga and tournaments?

FINALS:

Fullmetal Alchemist vs. Hunter x Hunter

3rd Place Fight: Dragon Ball vs JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

Seminals:

Fullmetal Alchemist vs. Dragon Ball

Hunter x Hunter vs. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

Quarterfinals Loser's Brawl

Quarterfinals:

Fullmetal Alchemist vs. Bleach

Naruto vs. Dragon Ball

Hunter x Hunter vs. Inuyasha

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure vs. One Piece

Round 1 Loser's Brawl (Final)

Round 2 Loser's Brawl

Previous Rounds:

Round 2:

Fullmetal Alchemist vs. Fist of the North Star

Bleach vs. Demon Slayer

Naruto vs. Blue Exorcist

Fairy Tail vs. Dragon Ball

Hunter x Hunter vs. Yu Yu Hakusho

Inuyasha vs. Jujutsu Kaisen

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure vs. Saint Seiya

Soul Eater vs. One Piece

Round 1 Loser's Brawl:

Bracket A: Lucifer & Biscuit Hammer, Black Clover, Sakamoto Days. Mashle, Burn the Witch, Shaman King, My Hero Academia, Medaka Box

Bracket B: Nura: Rise of the Yokai Clan, Fire Force, Toriko, Samurai 8, Katekyo Hitman Reborn!, Seven Deadly Sins, World Trigger, Mahou Sensei Negima!

Previous Rounds:

Round 1:

Fullmetal Alchemist vs The Lucifer and Biscuit Hammer

Black Clover vs Fist of the North Star

Bleach vs Sakamoto Days

Mashle vs Demon Slayer

Naruto vs Burn the Witch

Shaman King vs Blue Exorcist

My Hero Academia vs Fairy Tail

Medaka Box vs Dragon Ball

Hunter x Hunter vs Nura: Rise of the Yokai Clan

Fire Force vs Yu Yu Hakusho

Inuyasha vs Toriko

Samurai 8 vs Jujutsu Kaisen

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure vs Katekyo Hitman Reborn

Saint Seiya vs Seven Deadly Sins

Soul Eater vs World Trigger

Mahou Sensei Negima! vs One Piece

Deliberate Omissions:

I have specifically excluded all sports manga and non-battle battle series (e.g. death note, promised neverland, food wars, etc). Comedy series have been included on the basis of whether their story follows the structure of a battle shonen - Gintama has been excluded, for example, as it is usually more focused on episodic comedy.

I have specifically chosen to both exclude Chainsaw Man and Attack on Titan as I feel their tone and narrative themes make them too different to the rest of the competitors to be a fair contest. (I considered the same for FMA but chose to leave that).

In addition, I refuse to include Rurouni Kenshin due to the actions of its mangaka. While there are other manga on this list with problematic creators there is an order of magnitude between them and what Nobuhiko Watsuki has done and I cannot in good conscience endorse his work.

If anything not covered in these is missing it's either because I forgot or just didn't give enough of a shit about it.

[la-hannya]

Not a Sessrinner pedo apologist trying to pretend they’re not one in the IY subreddit and trying to make Sessrin look less “weird” by creepily going through/stalking an anti Sessrin’s post history to see if they ship anything problematic as a “gotcha!

Dude(ette,) I don’t deny I ship problematic shit but considering at least all of them are between consenting adults close in age where neither raised the other and are actually canon, your gotcha isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is! Nice try trying to justify pedophilia and grooming in any way, shape, or form by pulling the “but what about THIS weird thing?!”

If you don’t think pedophilia is objectively the absolute most abhorrent and evil thing in the world with only Zoophilia being comparable, you might just be either an apologist or a pedo yourself, so which is it? Cause neither is a good look.

Then they tried to pull the “A-AT LEAST SHE WAS 18!!!!” card while still denying they ship it and immediately mass deleted all their comments and even their obvious burner account in a fit of salty butthurt before I got the chance to even reply back.

Girl ya ain’t the slick, sit the fuck down if you really believe Pedohime’s asspull contradictory timeline! 😂😂😂

From what I've seen even though things have simmered down since that anime ended; the more desperate they have gotten, going into places like reddit and twitter to try to stir the view on their favor. Which mostly just backfires because anyone with pair of eyes 👁️👁️ and understanding of even a little math can tell they're reaching. The other day somebody told me:

"I remember not liking at all the Saint Seiya's spin-off "Episode G" and nobody in the fandom forced me to consider it canon since it wasn't drawn by Masami Kurumada, only in the Inuyasha fandom these kind of things happen".

I swear got second hand embarrassment even though I ain't a saucerib. We're getting the side eye from other fandoms cause of these people being insecure clowns. Sigh.

I honestly recommend people to stand your ground and don't let them gaslight you along with them because that's what they want in their bid of desperation they got going on. I had them once trying to "Gotcha" me to because I'm a "monsterfucker". I like monsters, I like the "beauty and beast" trope, and I like the idea of this monster/beast adopting a human kid and taking care of them like their own child too. It's wholesome cute. Those things. Not the thing they warped out of proportion. So when some sinners figured that out their like "oh but you ship.."

Yeah. I know.

But here's one of thing about my monster x human ships. The human partner isn't a complete doormat and they have control. Consent. Always. And the monster partner didn't just go and meet them when they were practically a baby. Anything the other way around I don't touch. I also ain't dying of this hill either. Just vibing. And minding my business. I get where you are coming from anon. So don't let others try to pull the "but your/this is worst" card cause most likely than not compared to their mental gymnastics, you're harmless and know how to stay in your lane.

[monoukotori]

Problematic trope: Age gap!

Gimmie a “problematic” fictional trope (ie: age gap, teacher student, etc) [OPEN]

Any of my ships that fit it

I have a lot hahaha, it's not my fault that the protagonists of Saint Seiya are so young while acting grown.

SagaxSaori,KanonxSaori,SagaxSeiya ShuraxShiryu (uwu), AioriaxSeiya, MuxShiryu, ShakaxIkki,AfroditaxShun and a long etc

I would go deeper on why I like these ships but they are too many, if you'd like any ship to get explained please tell men :)

General Opinion

I don't actively seek age gap ships, but I am not against it either. Sometimes, the age difference makes the dynamic of the ship more interesting and adds deep to the relationship.

I do hate the "wide eyed child that gets romanced by an older adult that corrupts them" dynamic tho. I like it when the younger partner has as much agency as the older one. Also YA romance has soured my enjoyment of younger female x older male ships with some exceptions. For example, I like Saori x Saga/Kanon only if the one with the power in the ship is Saori, with the whole knight x princess(goddess) power dynamic

Any ships that aren’t canon it But I’d read w/ the trope

I dont know? I don't actively look for age gaps in my ships, so i can't think in any ship right now... Maybe I'll edit this later when I remember any

[dizazul]

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[akinari-kashihara]

1, 7, and 15 for the ask thing :3

favorite character/s and why

Have you met my boy Zelik I love him it's cause he's so ridiculously hot and tailored to my specific taste it's unfair

I've been thinking a lot about Niko from Caligula like I. I just really love her and how she's handled. I need to post some of my brain dumps about her on my site cause I think a lot about how her issues and how they reflect in her actions and how she reacts to killing Marie and I can't. Spoil anything here but God. God. Characters that cause me so much brain.

Been thinking about Sweet-P a bit again (I love her but she took a backseat for a bit) and specifically the tone like. A lot of ppl complain about the handling of Sweet-P but [Hello I am Caligula defender#1] but specifically like. The discussion of if the path to what you think you wants makes you miserable constantly - if it is painful and horrible - you can just quit. Perhaps you should just quit. Maybe you should find ways to be happy that aren't painful and don't feel suffering is necessary. And specifically the way that that's not like tied to her gender its very much about this concept of having appearance goals. [continues talking for a few hours]

And since he's in my icon; I like Ike-P cause he's a dramatic bitch- and also the dysmorphia is serious.

7. unpopular ship/s you like

We could be here a while; Kai/Ren from CFV (No Aichi Never Aichi), Lavi/Krory, Kuroto/Emu, Parad/Emu, Z/Right, Sougo/Heure Benetnasch Eta Mime/Phoenix Ikki, Saga/Shaka, Shura/Shiryu, Adam/Langa, and more I'm stopping with the Saint Seiya plague

15. hot fandom take?

The entire drama of "waaa Shoutarou and Philip is problematic" is a load of nonsense when the show goes so aggressively on ship baiting htem and Shoutarou doesn't have a canon age and Philip is a digimon like. They are very clearly meant to be close enough in age. The whole thing is so silly and feels like one person kicked up shit because they didn't like the ship and wanted to justify themselves.

[beautiful-basque-country]

Hold up. I remember you gals talking about anime... Do tell, do you still watch/watched anything in particular? 👀

Kaixo!

I don't have as much free time as I used to and don't watch any anime at the moment.

Both of us watched some classic shojos back in the day (Sailor Moon, Marmalade Boy, Fushigi Yuugi, Kare Kano, Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch, etc) and shonen (Dragon Ball, Saint Seiya, Slayers, Attack on titan [yes, we know it's quite problematic to say the least], Naruto).

The last animes we've watched have been mostly films - The girl who leapt through time, Your Name, The garden of words, Weathering with you, A whisker away - and Netflix's lovely series Aggretsuko and Carol & Saturday.

[gab-has-adhd]

"I have issues but you're just as bad." 🃏📍

Gab / Lubel / Illumi

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[qworflordking]

Hey! Just to tell you I loved your critique against that Achilles Song book and I agree with you that I hate how Greek (and at lesser or more degree Roman or Egyptian) classics are changed in a nonsense way just to please the modern reader and give them a progressive agenda to the characters.

Just for curiosity, what do you think about fantasy media that is inspired in ancient Greek myths and legends like Percy Jackson books or Saint Seiya?

Dunno, those were my faves when I was a kid (but I have not checked them since at least 10 years ago, lol), but, seeing how the Percy Jackson fans try to portrait themselves as all knowing about Greek culture, while actually not engaging in the classics and refusing to know about Ancient Greek history and culture. The Saint Seiya guys seem more normal, but I'm not sure if Greek people just saw the anime as a gross cultural appropiation like Hercules from Disney or they actually did not mind it.

An interesting ask to receive, thanks! And hm... I don't really know? I haven't read Percy Jackson or Saint Seiya so I can't comment. It all depends on the media in question - it's nice to see so many people like it, but our ancient legacy is kind of all Greece has right now. The economic depression, the ecological impact on the islands that's been happening, the fact that it's mainly considered a tourist destination for wealthier Europeans and the bitter state of the modern Greek youth - and yet we have this legacy we feel so connected to despite all the years between, lmao.

My family is from Sparta - a small rural village just outside it, actually - and so when the movie 300 came out the hype was unreal. Like King Leonidas is a cultural hero, there's still a monument to him in Sparta - they were making a movie about our guy! I saw it with twenty Greeks, all Spartans... and they hated it. They were yelling at the screen, they were so upset, and none of them knew what a Frank Miller comic book was. I recently tried to rewatch it and had to turn it off at the scene with the ephors and the oracle. Don't get me started on Troy, lol.

Otoh, I recently enjoyed Hades (the game) though I avoided it for a while. It's bright and colorful, the gods are strange and erratic, and it's tons of fun. Demeter grief-stricken at the loss of her daughter, Persephone avoiding Hades and Hades being angry and bitter - that was great. (I could go into a whole tangent about how people are actually erasing the voices and pain of ancient women when they woke-ify Hades and Persephone, but.)

The essential thing is this: the ancient Greeks were capable of criticizing their own culture. We invented philosophy: the art of sitting around talking about what's wrong with society and how we might fix it. They wrote plays - plays that won awards, that were preserved unto this day! - that served as a feminist critique of their classic heroic myths. Going back to the 300 film, while it's true oracles were often sexually abused, they noticed that was a problem and made changes to prevent that. There's this attitude people take to ancient cultures a lot where they think people were just... stupid, and wholly swallowed everything, and then they're gonna write their critique of their problematic beliefs without considering the humanity and knowledge of people who lived thousands of years ago.

You don't need to completely change the themes and meaning and significance of our stories, but what you can do is humanize them. Rather than hole them up in some white-walled Ivory Tower of Academia bring them out as they were - intended to be funny, intended to make you think - while preserving the historical context. I have dreams of making an Odyssey film (that some EU arts fund needs to give me a billion dollars to make. also, i am a legendary respected filmmaker in this fantasy) that would bring economic prosperity to the Greek islands and also make it /funny/, showing that Odysseus was a trickster figure who fit ancient heroic definitions of being a wild celebrity figure rather than a Hollywood Hero. Making it clear that his wife was just as smart as him and they were a love-match and making Athena buff as hell and swapping into a man's body, even making Odysseus black - none of that would be modernizing the story to suit our woke tastes. It would piss the hell off a lot of supposed "Classics" fans.

Ultimately, though, having fun with the mythos isn't actually harmful. What is harmful, what genuinely upsets me on a fundamental level, is how Le Classics have been incorporated into this great ideal of Western Civilization and then been appropriated by white supremacists. Here's a great blog doing the good work going into it in detail, but twisting ancient culture to fit your own modern ideals is just.... not good for anyone, lol.

EDIT: ...In my last post I was like "why is tumblr recommending me eurofash propaganda" and I just realized. Liking ancient greek culture and the classics is probably why 0__0

[biancatronic]

I'm doing a drawing of Princess Elise and Athena (Saori Kido) shaking hands and the small similarities between them

1- His relatives/or father figures are problematic (Saori's grandfather spoils her when she was young and didn't care about his children (in the manga all the knights are half brothers of the same father) besides he treats his granddaughter as if she were Athena, that is, he took this goddess talk too serious. The Duke of Soleanna Elise's father he was the worst father, why? He was selfish in wanting to use the power of Solaris to right the wrong and bring his wife back which resulted in complete shit, those involved died and even involved his daughter almost killing her, not that it was when he had an idea to seal a demon of fire inside her body making her suffer for never crying to release the fury of Iblis inside her and that resulted in her staying no friends 10 years being cared for only by the castle's servants without making contact with ordinary young people like her).

2- are hated by the fanbase for being selfish, and without feelings and being useless

In addition to the fact that the fandom doesn't like characters who "don't do anything useful", this irritates me since the work shows genuine acts they do to be effortful and even their strategies like Saori did in the Hades arc where she made a fake treat of her death to go in the winter looking for hades and in addition she was captured in her plan to face the real body of Hades in the smooth fields, in the first arc when it was revealed that Saori was the incarnation of Athena she started to open her goddess pose and it started to matter to others so much that she hides her emotion when a knight is injured or killed, however much here (the Saint seiya fandom BR fandom) treats her as uncharismatic and a stone personality, Saori demonstrates that she doesn't care about people's feelings. offenses that the gods and enemies give her seems to know how to deal with it well and even she decided to prove to Seiya and others that she is no longer her grandfather's dumb one throwing precious stones and jewels away in the sea, different from the old incarnation Sasha who is idolized by the fandom for being an athena with a mature and "charismatic" personality, what do I need to disagree with since Sasha didn't go to fight Atermis in ND, it wasn't Sasha who made a treator pretended to be captured to face Hades and when one of his knights who freed her in the vessel for her to awaken her armor and thus fight Hades at last.

Now with Elise it was not the same, but her actions in Sonic 06 to be seeing that she tried very hard when she gave the blue emerald to sonic realizing that Eggman wanted her pose for one of his plans, Elise also did not think of herself as some say, at the train station she talks to sonic to save the workers and innocent people from a possible tragedy on that mission in '06, Elise says that being cares for everyone and that you do what you can for your beloved subjects, it was Elise who gave the idea of everyone going after the chaos emeralds to revive Sonic however much came a kiss in my opinion the kiss was a spiritual symbol since Elise had some spiritual powers and she used them to revive Sonic since affection and loving kisses heal people as some fairy tales say, it was Elise who ran away from Eggman in hiding to not follow his plans and Amy helped her run by getting out of there and also threw herself on top of the ship because she prefers to die than to be a prisoner him and she sacrificed herself to save everyone from Eggman's wrath and she went to him on her own

That's it for today

[getoutofthewater]

Fic Authors Self-Rec

in response to this tag game, my answers requested by @gauzyfruitcake! (sorry it took me so long friend!)

“Fic authors self rec! When you get this, reply with your favorite  five fics that you've written, then pass on to at least five other  writers. Let’s spread the self-love 💗” 

sincerity is scary – a Leovin fic from Detroit Become Human. My longest work yet, still so very proud of it.

faux cat day –  Another Leovin fic. Comedy is my one true love despite it being so hard to write, this is my fic with the most shenanigans. I need to return to this vibe.

milk tea – Tina/Chloe again from Detroit Become Human. Just a sweet little thing, I need to write more lesbians.

zoetrope – A gen Schwarz fic from Weiss Kreuz (an ancient fandom and one of my first) I wanted to write something I actually liked for this fandom for like 20 years! I’m very happy with how this one turned out. I still want to write more for them, there has never been enough Schwarz as family out there.

axia – Ikki/Shun from Saint Seiya. My problematic ship I guess, but you know Kurumada himself ships them also, because if not why are they Like That

Tagging (if you want to <3) @indigo-a-creeping, @rainbyotes, @archadianskies

[the-crow-binary]

If you feel confident answering, what are your top most problematic badwrong ships? ;) (either just CV or in general lol)

Only if you promise i won't lose your friendship :( But alright iothgmlmrdkngmlrsnb

Well, though i'm not as active in the fandom as I used to be, when I was really into Saint Seiya, I was shipping twincest (Saga x Kanon, Aspros x Deuteros, and Hypnos x Thanatos). I think it's the "worst" kind of ship i have ? (i feel like it's nothing though lol) I don't know about CV eorighermlkgnsrklmng i have some suspicious ships, but "problematic badwrong" ? I don't know ?? I guess most of my ships with Dracula are ? Like, a ship with Dracula means big age gap and/or big power dynamics and holy shit can this bitch be a manipulative rat <3 It's pretty hot. <3 (the only exception is with Death cuz i just can't see them being problematic nor toxic for each other :/ They'd be the perfect twisted couple if Dracula wasn't so wife-obsessed smh. actually, Dracula x his Castle is also an exception) But it depends on how it is written too, like, sometimes, it's just him railling/getting railed for the sake of it lol. And other times, it's him manipulating young devil forgemasters for sexual arousal <3 Or disgracing a Belmont in the house of God ;3 i'm so weak for religious desecration right now. Well, okay, i did have thoughts about him doing... things to teen!Isaac, that's pretty "problematic".... but i can't ignore the call of trauma and mental scars

Outside of that, i am a very pure person with only good ships and healthy dynamics. <3

[the-proship-hellhole]

More Problematic Saint Seiya Stuff

(From Mod Niecest)

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Thinking more about the trauma Mu would be helping Ikki through.

So Ikki is really reluctant to enter a relationship because he doesn't actually know what a good, healthy relationship is supposed to be.

In addition to being physically abusive to Ikki and killing Esmeralda in front of Ikki, my fucked up little mind has also decided that Guilty sexually abused Ikki (because why the fuck not).

And Mu just being comforting and understanding and gentle with Ikki in a way that no one else has just 😍😍😍😍🥰🥰🥰🥰

[melosfantasos]

Below are the controversial changes in recent chapters, but the most problematic one is discussed at length in last place.

Camus is the one sent to assassinate Old Master.

The Cepheus Saint is Albiore rather than Daidalos, one of the uncommon occasions where I picked anime filler. Reda appears, but Spica doesn't exist. Reda gets the Cassiopeia Cloth, as I have plans for Piscis Austrinus. Cassiopeia is Bronze.

Deathmask is different. He has a name that isn't the “Mephisto” from the English dub (but is still called Deathmask), and has a master. There is no more confusion on whether he is evil or not — he is good, just Machiavellian and judgmental. This should make his clash with Shiryu's idealism more nuanced.

Milo is an amazon. I understand this will disappoint people, so I will go into my reasoning below.

People disliked Shun being turned into a girl in the Netflix show for obvious reasons. I have seen fans say they should've turned Aphrodite into a girl instead, but the fact is that, sure, we should have more female characters, but when it came to the main cast, we already had good candidates that went underused by Kurumada (Saori, Marin, Shaina). This was the major complaint people had with the writers calling the main cast a sausage party and turning Shun into a woman. I tried to rectify that by giving them the attention they deserve.

I also added a female main character from the get-go in the form of June, because she is the only canonical Bronze Saint. This was just to slight the Netflix writers by proving canon already had good material for female mains — I admit it was childish, but I love my June now.

I am also in the process of adding new female Bronze Saints by taking clues from noncanon (Delphinus/Dolphin Mii/Alicia), and by creating my own. Besides that, as some know, my Seika will be a very different character from the original too.

Clearly there is more than enough space for female characters, and we don't need to turn Aphrodite into a girl, let alone Shun. Then why do it to Milo?

Answer is simple: I want a female Gold Saint. Let's look at available solutions.

Solution 1 — Take a clue from Next Dimension and make an Ophiuchus Gold Saint. I can't do that because 1) I have set rules to how the world works that make this impossible. My Sanctuary's Ecliptic Houses are based on the Ancient Greek house system: the ecliptic is subdivided into spaces called “houses” that are immutable since the time of the Babylonians, i.e. even if Ophiuchus enters the ecliptic, it's never going to get a temple of its own, because although the houses refer to the constellations, they are not the constellations themselves. Think of how the Tropic of Cancer has little to do with Cancer nowadays, yet we still call it that; it's similar to what I'm doing. 2) Shaina. Enough said. This is a Seiya x Shaina fanfic too, and she is forever sacred.

Solution 2 — Make Aphrodite into a woman. I mean, he's called Aphrodite after all! My answer is obviously a no.

Solution 3 — Make a female Sagittarius join the roster later on. There will be changes in the Gold Saint roster over time, but no female Sagittarius (someone asked me if I was making Seika into the new Sagittarius, and although that sounds fascinating, it's not happening). My June is already peak fanfic, I have to balance things out somehow.

Solution 4 — Genderbend someone else and endure people exiling the fanfic. That was my choice because I'm a masochist.

Why Milo? There is precedence for Milo being a woman in the Toei 2014 film, and there is Scorpio Sonia; both are noncanon, but still highlight the possibility of a female Scorpio.

Other reason is that Milo is a distinctively masculine name, while Aphrodite is a distinctively feminine name. I enjoy that contrast, a femboy with a woman's name and a tomboy with a man's name.

All of the major scenes will still be there. The fight in Sanctuary will be even more intense, I'd say. The encounter with Kanon should be on par with the original in weight.

I hope this is at least tolerable to readers. Feel free to rip me apart in the comments anyway, I know Milo is in many people's ships.