#s9 sastiel

[fandom-hoarder]

it is seriously hard to find a sastiel mpreg that has the vibe i want lolol

cuz i don't want them to settle down and have a family, i don't care about the raising of the kid. i want the angst and the body horror and the jealousy of a dean that can't have sam

i specifically want gadreel grace surprise mpreg 😅

the angst of sam trying to replace dean with cas, because cas respects his boundaries better, sam telling himself he loves cas more because cas treats him better, and he does love cas but he's also so twisted up in dean there's always a part of him that feels like it's lying

but he won't let dean have the satisfaction of knowing that. because DEAN LEFT. dean CHOSE to leave, instead of choosing sam and comforting sam. and sam knows cas loves him however an angel CAN love and its not fair to cas to not love him back when he took care of him when dean wouldn't

[aliusfrater]

THE a4a (autism 4 autism) episode

[marlborosam]

Can we please take a moment to remember the fact that Misha was asked all the way back in 2012 why Cas saved Sam from the Cage and the answer was literally just "Cas loves Sam". I feel like we as a people need to just remember that every so often bc apparently spnblr cannot be trusted with Sam and Cas's relationship otherwise

[autisticsastiel]

5.17 | 9.11

(screencaps from home of the nutty)

[samlover4evr]

this episode is so boyfriend of them

[mothgardens]

i think the point in supernatural where my perspective plot switches from destiel to sastiel is in season 9, specifically episode 10 “Road Trip”.

something about the ending seems like such a finality to me.

[ardentpoop]

:')

[suncaptor]

in holy terror when Cas brings up how Dean's uncomfortable when Sam talks about Cas leaving... how he asks if Sam knew Dean kicked him out... how Cas thinks Sam was just a part of that and then Sam shows up and he's full of smiles calling him agent and maybe Cas didn't lose everything but he just doesn't even know ....

[shinelikethunder]

speaking of sastiel getting freaky onscreen, what is the most cursed possible phrase that could be spawned by their kinky post-gadreel experimentation and why is it "grace felching"

(yes, yes, they were going for more of a medical-fetish vibe with that syringe, but HOW many times have we seen characters just fuckin' slurp angel grace directly from a hole. don't act like it would've been beyond the realm of plausibility.)

[wise-blue-cookies]

S9 was adorable sastiel interactions with on and off slightly toxic drowley relationship.

[fandom-hoarder]

"Dean making a pregnancy/abortion joke about Sam's gadreel grace."

ohhhhh but what if the leftover Grace really did create an mpreg situation? Sam thinks Gadreel's gone for good, but he starts getting sick in the mornings, feels tired, and his chest is weirdly sore.

How long until Castiel realizes what's going on? Do they tell Dean "by the way, the angel you stuffed into Sam made a baby" or do they pretend that Cas is the daddy?

I'm having so many thoughts here...

So many optionssss. I love the idea of them pretending it's Castiel's. Especially because I'm over here like: Sam and Cas were alone in the bunker together for two weeks "nursing Sam back to health" 👀👀👀👀����👀

What if the leftover grace created a situation where mpreg is possible in a non-mpreg world.

Aaahhh but then also, with Sam's mood post-gadreel, he probably wouldn't hold back guilt-tripping Dean. Would Dean feel worse knowing he's pregnant from Gadreel's violation alone, or knowing that it was Castiel's comfort in Sam's time of susceptibility that got Sam pregnant-- something Dean can't do even if Sam would let him. 👀👀👀👀👀

[tiktaalic]

len. len i don't understand the autonomy sastiel post

I can explain it to you but im kind of confused why im being asked because I didn’t reblog it. Anyway. It’s about how Sam girls at large hate the gadreel plot and focus on it as a violation of Sam’s autonomy when ghe lead up. To this choice. Is sam semi passively choosing suicide (the trials are killing you / so?) and the aftermath of this choice is Dean can pull him off life support after his somewhat suicide attempt or resuscitate him. And the line of thinking is this was such a terrible violation of Sam’s autonomy Dean should have not saved him (and let Sam die). So the sastiel therapist is about how the sastiel therapist will respect your bodily autonomy by letting you commit suicide (ala Sam in s8 finale) instead of intervening (ala Dean in s9 premiere)

[quietwingsinthesky]

8 and 16 for the choose violence ask

8. Common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about.

That Dean would return Cas’s love confession

Okay no actually you know what. I’m gonna talk about that. Maybe it’s just me being deep in Aro!Dean land, but I’m not seeing it. I’m not seeing at any point in the show where Dean loved Castiel. And I’ve been looking, I swear, but I’m. There’s no destiel on my screen. There is a lot more sastiel than I remember but there’s no destiel happening on my screen! There IS a lot of Castiel clearly having Problems and Issues and Angst about dean, and. Zero doubt here there that that angel wants to fuck him. But I honestly can’t imagine any happy ending for dean that revolves solely or even mostly around a romantic attachment. That man is hardwired for family being the most important thing to him, and I love that. Aro!Dean wins again.

Other notable things include: headcanoning Sam as not queer/trans because he’s too boring. Talked about that. Weird fucking opinion to have. That Gabriel is not exactly as fucked up as the other archangels, especially when presenting sabriel as the Good Sam Ship as opposed to samifer. My dudes, did we not watch mystery spot, do the reading. Also. Also. Not acknowledging the really clear character degradation of Lucifer in the later seasons/attributing later seasons stuff to how he acts in s5, just a personal gripe because whatever, people can read him however they want, but I really feel like on a meta level you gotta talk about how these are Two Different Characters who just happen to have been jammed into the same character. Okay. I think that’s it.

16. You can’t understand why people like this thing (characterization, trope, headcanon, etc.)

I do not like coffee shops AUs. Actually, it’s more that im Extremely picky about AUs that aren’t canon divergence, and will drop them immediately the minute I feel like I’m no longer reading about the characters I like and am instead reading about Generic Guys who say funny quips and then kiss. Which is not a coffee shop au specific problem but the frequency with which that kind of au attracts that writing means I have kind of been turned off from ever reading them again.

if you are writing Sam into your coffee shop au and at some point he does not drop some insane backstory about the time he was kidnapped and forced to fight to the death with a bunch of other college kids, you have failed at writing this au and I am banishing you to the shadow realm /j

The other thing that I do not understand at all, and this extends into a problem with canon, I’m well aware, is how happily people will accept the idea that Castiel is rebellious/different from other angels because he was just Made Wrong. he’s too Broken to be like a real angel. that all the other angels are mindless drones and Castiel is the one good one who could learn about free will, usually justified with it being that “his love for dean is what makes him special”, but even outside of destiel circles, this kind of thing gets very annoying lmao.

And it’s just. That’s wrong. The show might have decided post-s8 that it believed this about Castiel but it’s False and Bad. I’m gesturing wildly at Uriel and Anna and Gabriel and Lucifer and Balthazar and Michael and shit what’s that one angel doing pinball I love them, them too, and Castiel is not special!!! He should not be special!!! All angels have the capacity for free will, they are living under a terrifying system of suppression that has stripped them of their ability to use it and has taught them that when an angel does something they disagree with, killing them is a mercy! (See: the implications of that one angel healer in s9 + Uriel and Cas being sent to kill Anna for falling in s4)

CASTIEL IS NOT SPECIAL. STOP SAYING HE IS SPECIAL. THE CRACK IN THE CHASSIS LINE IS BAD TO HOLD UP AS EVIDENCE OF HIM BEING UNIQUELY FLAWED.

ahem. sorry. i like the supernatural angels. i think making castiel into some separate special being who is the only one capable of rebelling and feeling love and etc does a massive disservice to the heaven storylines and angels as a whole. i think the show’s choice to never have another major angel character who wasn’t killed off quickly/made “too evil” to redeem was a bad decision and contributes to this view of cas as Different and The Good One.

[opheliasam]

if misha was just a little bit smarter he would have known to rally for sastiel . ESP post s9. It would have happened too girl (when in rome influence saga)

[zmediaoutlet]

would you ever consider writing wincestiel again? because i ship it the same way you do (wincest + castiel) and it's so hard to find that dynamic, even though it's objectively the hottest (and most canon compliant, cough)

Man, I don't know! There are only a veeeeery few places I find that version (our version) (best version) particularly possible. I also really hate writing threesomes, lol. Too many legs flailing around.

But you're right, it's very very hard to find anyone who's interested. I mean, most people are either firm on wincest or destiel, and of those people it feels like most of them are very annoyingly rigid and downright hostile to other possibilities. I mean, a lot of destiel people truly are in their own universe, so I get why they just shed Sam as an inconvenience -- and they are allowed, so... may they have fun with it I guess -- and a lot of wincest people seem like they've been fandom poisoned so even the idea of Cas/Dean or even Dean being queer in any way outside of Sam-sexual is a 5-alarm threat. [nb, I have zero interest in sastiel -- I can see how one would build out chemistry there if one were inclined, but I don't see it in the show, so this is very much a relationship I think about with Dean as the center.]

But if you're free of both of those concerns, like -- man! Pining!Cas is very much a possibility granted by the text, as is queer!Dean, and even if wincest is canon (at least in the emotionally incestuous gencest place) you can make space for these recombinations to occur and for them to feel entirely possible within canon characterizations and canon moments. It's just... people would have to want to, and of course there's the rub.

For me, Sam's the biggest obstacle to wincestiel. Sometimes because of jealousy -- I think I wrote about this recently...? Oh yeah, this. More often because I think he's very aware of the actual stakes and scenario and is too kind to give false hope. Dean, too, although he may not articulate it that way. There are also some times that Cas wouldn't go for it, because -- much like Benny -- he actually does respect the wincest uber alles thing that Sam and Dean have going on. He knows what the hierarchy is, here.

So, all that said: the most likely way for me to write it would probably be still separated out into twosomes, e.g. Sam knows that Cas and Dean fucked in the past and is sort of okay with it, but also knows that he 'won' and doesn't want to rub it in Cas's face even though Cas is sitting silent in their library waiting for Dean to get back; or, it's early s9 and Sam's full of Gadreel and Dean's so goddamn guilty and scared and human!Cas is nervy and happy to see him and they fall into bed, one way or another, but Dean's got to get back to Sam and Cas knows that, and watches him go. etc.

I am never interested in 'equal' OT3s or perfect polyamory, unforch. I always need someone to be left wanting. Cas, with that crack in his chassis, is a very good candidate. Sorry, Cas.