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thebrightsilverlining · 10 months ago

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How Secret Are the Phantom Thieves' Secret Identities?

Joker

Police: Know exactly who he is due to his arrests and even send people to spy on him from time to time.

Public: Have enough information to find out but not explicitly stated.

When the police revealed that they had caught the leader of the Phantom Thieves on November 20th (and later revealed his death), they did not mention his name. Instead, Joker is described as a teenager on probation for assault who was sent to Tokyo for the year.

Though his school was not directly mentioned, the fact that the first incident occurred at Shujin Academy makes it relatively clear that that is the school he went to. Later, after his second arrest as leader of the Thieves, Shujin admits that he was a student of their school when pushing for his release.

Though they never mention his name, anyone who wanted to could easily do some digging on Shujin Academy, find out there was a transfer student in the second year who had a criminal record, and put the pieces together. So, though his identity was technically never leaked to the public, it appears as if it is more of an open secret.

Interestingly enough, Akane from Strikers does not know Joker’s identity. Despite being a superfan (to the point of running a Phantom Thief news livestream) she can only wonder who he might be. This implies one of three things. Either

A: Despite his identity being easy to find if one did some digging, no one has bothered to actually do the digging and thus he remains anonymous.

B: Hacker extraordinaire Futaba Sakura hid or obfuscated any evidence that could reveal the identity of the leader of the Phantom Thieves based on the information the police gave.

C: Due to the fact that it was the police who leaked most of that info, it is considered poor form to use that information to figure out the leader’s identity.

Option C relies on social etiquette. After all, the Phantom Thieves are very anti-police, and their fans are likely too. The leader of the Phantom Thieves had no say over that information about himself being leaked to the public by the people who literally tried to kill him, so using that information could be considered wrong by his fans. Thus, even though most have a general idea that the leader of the Phantom Thieves is the transfer student from Shujin Academy, actually looking into who that is could be considered rude by Phans and PhantomFreaks.

The Phantom Thieves

Police: Have a hunch but ultimately no proof.

Public: No clue, but maybe some theories based on knowledge of the leader’s identity.

Because Joker never reveals who the rest of the Phantom Thieves are both of the times he is arrested as a Thief, the police do not have definitive proof regarding the other members identities. They likely have hunches, as based on the list Sae reads off during the November 20th interrogation, but any and all evidence is circumstantial at best and largely tied to the simple fact that they know the leader. And every single thief has plausible deniability. That being, they can say that they may have been friends with the leader, but they had no knowledge of his identity and were not part of the operation.

Without more evidence or a confession, there is really know way to prove otherwise, so all of the thieves’ identities remain safe. This is doubled due to the fact that, because there is little to no evidence implicating them and Joker adamantly denied their involvement, there is the very real possibility (at least to the police) that they may not actually be part of the Thieves.

Joker had a lot of associates during his time in Tokyo, and figuring out which are Thieves and which are not runs the risk of the police arresting the wrong person based on little evidence, and landing themselves in hot water afterward. Especially with how popular the Thieves are. So there is really nothing they can do about the rest of the Thieves.

As for the public, because the police have so little to go about regarding the rest of the Thieves identities, the public knows even less. There’s likely speculation, based on the info regarding Joker’s identity that was leaked, but nothing even remotely close to concrete. At the very least, they have some silhouettes and the knowledge that one must be a hacker in order to have stopped Medjed and broadcasted Shido’s calling card.

Akechi

Police & Public: Know he infiltrated the Phantom Thieves in order to orchestrate their arrest before mysteriously disappearing.

Akechi is in an interesting position. After Joker was captured, he went on television and explained to the public how he infiltrated the Thieves in order to get them arrested. Him being a double agent Phantom Thief is public knowledge, no leaking or digging required.

The tricky part is figuring out what people know about everything else. Shido being his father, him being the perpetrator of mental shutdowns and psychotic breakdowns, and all that. Sae is aware of his role regarding the deaths, but it is left unclear if it is just her or if that knowledge was shared with the justice system as a whole. Considering he went missing, bringing up his role in it all might have been considered unnecessary. There is an argument to be made for them knowing and them not knowing.

Similarly with the public, it is unclear whether or not his involvement would be brought up. In any court hearings regarding Shido’s case, they could have easily referred to Akechi as simply “Shido’s metaverse assassin.” Naming him directly is possible, but not necessary, so it is unclear what the public knows.

Confidants

Police: Runs the gambit of No Evidence of Connection to Plausible Deniability is King.

Public: Varies based on public presence.

The confidants find themselves in a variety of interesting situations, based on how much they revealed when trying to get Joker out of jail at the end of the game. Regardless, all of them have plausible deniability. Which is to say that, even if they revealed that they knew the leader of the Phantom Thieves when making their case for his release, they can all say that they did not know until after his arrests, and there is no way for the police to prove otherwise. As such, none of them are actually in danger of any legal retaliation.

Overall, things are on a more case-by-case basis for the confidants, so I’ll go through them one-by-one.

Sojiro

Guardian of the leader of the Phantom Thieves. Police know, but claims plausible deniability (didn’t know Joker was a Thief).

Public could find him out by looking into Joker’s identity.

Chihaya

Claims the Phantom Thieves changed the ADP Chairman’s heart and freed them all from the cult.

Does not need to claim a personal connection to Joker to convince her people to protest his arrest.

As such, police and public likely have no knowledge of her connection.

Iwai

Uses his connections to make certain that Joker is not harmed while in prison.

Under the table - police and public have no knowledge of connection.

Note - Police could technically attempt to trace Joker’s purchases to connect him to Iwai, but Iwai still has plausible deniability (didn’t know what he was buying them for; didn’t care).

That is, assuming Joker didn’t make all his purchases in cash. And that the police were able to get ahold of one of the Thieves’ weapons.

Takemi

Reveals that Joker was the main participant in the test trials for her new drug in order to bolster his positive public image.

Plausible deniability. Had no idea he was a Thief when they were doing the trials.

Kawakami

Acts as part of Shujin in general when pushing for Joker’s release. Public already had a hunch that Shujin was the leader’s school, and this just confirms it.

All teachers have plausible deniability.

By looking into Joker’s identity, public could find out that Kawakami was Joker’s homeroom teacher, but not much else.

Ohya

Finds the lady from the first case and convinces her to admit to the police what truly happened. Also writes a special article about the leader of the Phantom Thieves.

Has no need to reveal a personal connection. She’s simply a reporter doing her job. Police and public have no clue.

Shinya

Rallies the gaming community to protest Joker’s arrest online.

Does not reveal a personal connection. Simply says that Joker is the number 1 ranked player on Gun About (makes sense considering their minor takeover of the website for the start of Shinya’s route) and that he wants to play against him. Police and public have no clue.

Hifumi

Admits publicly on television her personal connection to Joker when pushing for his release.

Plausible deniability. Had no idea that he was a Thief prior to his arrest.

Mishima

Admits publicly his personal connection to Joker when collecting signatures pushing for his release.

Plausible deniability. Had no idea that he was a Thief prior to his arrest.

Yoshida

Protests Joker’s arrest and pushes for his release. Rallies his base and fellow politicians.

Has no need to reveal a personal connection. Simply a politician taking a stance on an important public issue. Police and public have no clue.

Sae

The prosecutor for the Phantom Thief case and Shido’s case.

Public and police know that she is aware of his true identity, as she actively met him.

Public not aware of any personal connection between her and Joker, just the professional connection.

So what’s the most the public could know about the Phantom Thieves?

The average person could know:

Joker’s true identity.

His parents’ names.

His hometown.

The jobs he worked.

His record.

etc.

His guardian in Tokyo was Sojiro Sakura, owner of Cafe Leblanc.

Sojiro has an adopted daughter named Futaba.

He went to Shujin Academy and had Kawakami, Ushimaru, Hiruta, Inui, Chouno, and Usami as teachers.

While at Shujin, he became friends with Yuuki Mishima.

He participated in drug trials run by Tae Takemi.

At some point, he became friends with Hifumi Togo.

One of his friends and possibly fellow Thief is a hacker.

There are seven Phantom Thieves (excluding Akechi), plus the cat mascot.

He played Gun About and was top of the leaderboard.

To get the Thieves arrested, Goro Akechi briefly pretended to be his friend and joined the Thieves.

When arrested, he was interrogated by Sae Nijima. Later on, he interacted with her when testifying against Shido.

Someone who did some digging could also know:

While at Shujin, he also became friends with…

Ryuji Sakamoto

Ann Takamaki

Makoto Nijima

Haru Okumura

Besides Hifumi Togo, he was also friends with Yusuke Kitagawa from Kosei.

Yuuki Mishima runs the Phansite.

He got extra tutoring from Kawakami after school (not what actually happened but what Kawakami’s confidant route was passed off as to Chuono).

Some theories might be:

The “cat mascot” is the Alibaba cat icon.

Both are cats connected to the thieves, and they only see the silhouette of Mona, so it is likely assumed that Mona has the blue crescent eyes, slasher grin, and bomb tail of the Alibaba cat icon.

Tae Takemi is the Thieve’s doctor.

The protag participated in her drug trials. Even if just after the interrogation, he likely needed medical attention. So, though she claims plausible deniability, people likely assume she knew who he was.

Makoto is NOT a Thief and DID NOT KNOW about Joker’s identity until after his arrest.

Her sister was literally the one leading the prosecution. Sae is shown to be a competent prosecutor. Wouldn’t she have realized her sister was one of the people she was trying to catch? Plus, what about conflict of interest?

Likely theories that Joker becoming friends with Makoto helped win Sae over to his side.

Shujin students likely state online that Makoto was spying on him for the principal because of his record, but then seemingly became his friend overtime.

Joker proved he was a good and just person despite his record, so they became friends, but she never suspected his secret identity.

(Maybe even dating?! There’s definitely arguments online on if Joker is in a relationship and some are ride or die for Makoto. Everyone knows the most common love interest is the one outside of the loop that you can’t reveal your secret identity to for fear of them getting hurt!)

Hifumi Togo is a Phantom Thief.

Now, I know what you’re thinking. Why would she reveal her connection to him if she was a Thief? Isn’t that stupid?

But that’s just what she WANTS you to think! STRATEGY!!

Because people think she would never do it, she did it! Perfect. Alibi.

Likely argued to be Futaba’s silhouette.

(Probably a very contentious theory. Lots of arguing on the forums.)

Yusuke is a Phantom Thief.

Most of the Phantom Thief cases (that are not minor Phansite requests) seem to have a personal focus.

Joker is a student at Shujin and both Kamoshida and Kaneshiro had some connection to the school. Shido attempted to kill Joker, and was also the reason he was on probation in the first place. Medjed actively targeted the Thieves and Okumura was at the top of the Phansite’s poll.

Which leaves Madarame as the odd one out. So, clearly, there must be some personal connection. And with Joker having been seen hanging out with Yusuke, that must mean he’s a Phantom Thief!

Argued to be Makoto’s silhouette.

Yuuki Mishima is the Phantom Thieves’ hacker.

He runs the Phansite, after all. He’s already involved in their tech stuff.

Now, whether he IS a Phantom Thief or just works for them is likely a big debate.

Some think he’s their “guy in the chair” who doesn’t directly participate but relays missions, hacks websites, and acts as mission control.

Others think he’s the cat, controlling it as a remote control robot.

Ryuji and Ann are Phantom Thieves.

Plausible deniability or not, their silhouettes are just too distinct. Especially Ann.

Plus they were so close at the start of the year. Clearly, it’s suspicious.

Mika is a Phantom Thief.

Hear me out. Fox’s mask and high collar makes it so that you can’t actually see his hair length. She could totally be hiding her long hair in her jacket!

Plus, everyone knows that Mika and Ann are fashion rivals! And what's a vigilante crack team without some rivalries in the group? Joker was even seen with the two of them a few times!

This came to be purely because of the cross of fashionistas and Phans. Mika milks the theory for all the publicity it is worth.

Haru is a Phantom Thief.

There was BIG debate over Haru and her status. After all, are you really gonna say this sweet, lovely girl killed her father?

But, then again, the Phantom Thieves were proven innocent in the murder of Okumura. So the question changes. Not: Did she want to kill him? Instead: Did she want to change his heart?

BUT THEN AGAIN her father was a member of the Conspiracy, wasn’t he? Who’s to say she didn’t know about that already? Hell, who’s to say she wasn’t INVOLVED?

The fight tends to break into three separate groups. Group one says she got involved to change her father’s heart. Group two says she got involved after her father’s death, to find out what actually happened and catch the person who actually killed her father. And group three says she was part of the Conspiracy herself and joined to take the Thieves down, only to get attached and do a heel-face-turn redemption.

Group three also tends to make her friends with Akechi, as he also infiltrated to take the Thieves down. His awareness of the Conspiracy is unclear, but regardless those in group three tend to have Haru and Akechi turn on the police and Conspiracy to try and save the Thieves, only for Akechi to die or disappear so that Haru can escape.

Akechi cared about the Thieves/Had SOMETHING going on with Joker.

I mean, you don’t reference romance tropes during an interview regarding his time with the Thieves for nothing. The double agent can’t just be a double agent.

See the above dying for Haru theory. But also there are a lot of people that think Akechi and Joker were dating.

Suffice it to say, they don’t get along very well with the people who ship Joker/Makoto.

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