#rvb wank

[scribbleboxfox]

I haven't even watched the new RvB yet and I already know I'm not going to like it and that it will probably be super forgettable.

Anyways the show should've ended after S13 imo. Glad they've finally euthanized the damn thing, but it should've happened sooner.

[in-sufficientdata]

Not to restart discourse in a fandom I've left but I remember there being several very contentious days in RvB fandom about this post discussing the people who expressed disgust at the idea that Caboose might have sexual or romantic feelings toward other characters. Some people actually literally viewed Caboose as a child due to his brain injury and they would viciously attack people who included Caboose in relationships in fic.

As an ace person I'm happy to get ace representation in fic but the way people talked about this was utterly incensing.

Please reblog this if you vote, and if you'd like to share your own stories with me, please do, as this poll is part of a larger study I'm working on and the more data I can get for that, the better! If you'd be okay with sharing your story with me and having it anonymously included in the essay I'm writing, you can message me so we can discuss further.

[robotnuts]

also on some extent i agree that you should take serious criticism from your peers and not losers on the internet with no experience, audience reception still is.... important. if you’re making a show and your audience fucking hates it, you don’t have to listen to their dumb ideas of what went wrong and what theyd do better, but it is NOT a good sign and means you should be looking for heavy criticism from your colleagues 

[weatheredlaw]

[panther-os]

Works that cast Epsilon as a villain because of the Incident squick me out just as much as works that ignore the Incident ever happening.

Yeah, Epsilon was traumatized.

Yeah, Epsilon traumatized Wash.

No, Epsilon was not in his right mind.

And I don't know that Wash could or couldn't have handled it better, we're not given nearly enough information about that for me to draw conclusions.

I definitely don't think it's healthy for them to be in the same room together in canon, and I definitely do think Wash is right to enforce the boundary of not having another AI in his implants ever again.

But the only villains in that situation are the Director and Counselor and their shitty experimental unethical science.

Wash and Epsilon both have the right to feel hurt and the right to heal as they see best fit - in Wash's case, steering clear of AI and not letting his implants be touched, and in Epsilon's, moving on and going vigilante with Carolina.

Arguably, Epsilon is the one healing faster, but that doesn't mean he suffered less and it doesn't mean it's his fault that Wash isn't healing at the same pace.

It's just a shitty fucking situation all around and they both got fucked over and are figuring out what to do with their lives after the fact.

The best analogy I can think of is if one person (Director, Counselor) shoves another person (Epsilon) down the stairs and that person slams into a third person (Wash) like a bowling ball on the way down and both people who fell down the stairs wind up hospitalized. It's not the fault of the person who got shoved, but the person who got bowling ball'd still got hurt, too - emphasis on the "too".

[magpiecrime]

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[neverisadork]

RvB Gremlins stop stalking people challenge 2K19

[anneapocalypse]

Explicit art is such a tiny percentage of the total content created for this fandom, and those who do draw it mostly tag it nsfw so it’s easy to filter if you don’t want to see it. Spend some time in a fandom for a triple-A video game and try browsing the tags for your favorite female characters and then get back to me.

RvB also has a considerably higher-than-average percentage of gen fic on AO3, last I crunched the numbers, and a smaller percentage of E-rated fics. 

I am firmly in the camp that there’s nothing wrong with creating and sharing explicit works about a show for adults as long as stuff is labeled appropriately, but the RvB fandom is actually pretty light on explicit works, relatively speaking.

[rvbscucksanonymous]

Hot take but RvB is not meant for teens. In the sense that teens are not the target audence. List of reasons why

1. It is based off a game that is rated M

2. The humor used is on par with most rated R comedies

3. It is violent and people die

4. The stuff they write would not make it through to being PG-13

5. Netflix has deemed the show to be rated tv MA

While Roosterteeth does not have an official rating on the show it is noted on the DVDs that it is based off a game that is rated M. which you need an ID to purchase at most any game store.

Just like those games and movies teens are obviously going to still be watching them, but they can’t get mad at adults in the fandom writing adult content for a show meant for adults.

If you can’t play nice in a public forum keep it to your friend group. Don’t harrass others in the community and make it toxic. Just pipe down. Fandom wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for adults creating the spaces you get to interact with. Don’t ruin it or you will be ostrasized by the entire community and blocked for said actions. Your actions have consequences. If you raise up so much fuss that almost an entire fandom has blocked you you’re the problem not them.

[southicut]

Hot take: adults engaging in fandom that is aimed at them by drawing/writing porn are allowed to do so especially if it has been tagged properly and contains nothing harmful such as pedophilia

[scribbleboxfox]

Not to beat a dead horse or anything, like RvB:Zero was definitely like. Bad. But I’d put it on par with like the 8th Fast & Furious movie at worst? I still genuinely don’t understand why there were some people throwing around so much vitriol when it first released. Like sure it’s not a good season but at least it’s fun to watch.

[in-sufficientdata]

Re: the Red vs. Blue fandom and recent drama

I’ve been struggling over what, if anything, to say about a certain divide that has developed in the fandom and explain my stand on the issues involved. There’s more than one thing going on here, and I don’t believe in vagueing people (more on that in a bit), so I am not going to name the parties involved, but I am going to make my position clear since there seems to be some confusion. The people involved know who they are, and they are going to be linked to this post so that there is no mistake.

I. Someone is wrong on the internet

Fandom spaces are a place for people to enjoy sharing headcanons, meta, fanfiction, art, and other creative works based on their favorite pieces of media. This is not peculiar to the internet--there were zines before there were message boards, for example--but being online has made it much easier for us to share what we create with one another. It’s inevitable that people will bump up against people they disagree with online, though, and there are a lot of areas these disagreements can center around. For the most part, these disagreements are pretty benign. One person will state that a pairing is better than someone else’s favorite pairing, or someone will give reasons their headcanon about a character is better than other headcanons. This is all well and good, and everyone has reasons for preferring the things they prefer.

One thing to keep in mind, though, especially when it comes to issues that seem to have some kind of moral importance, is that you really can’t change someone’s mind in a debate, especially in a space like online fandom. This is known as the backfire effect, which takes place when someone is presented with an opinion that contradicts their own. Occasionally, you may find you’re able to change someone’s mind, but for the most part, arguing against their position will only solidify them in their own position. It’s a fact of human psychology, and it means online debates are pretty pointless.

II. Making drama public

In the incident that prompted this message, someone wrote and linked a controversial post about a specific member of the fandom to a public chatroom. At the top of the post was a screencap of a conversation between two tumblr bloggers, but with their user names obscured. Bringing this issue out into the open in a public chat like this was taken as a blatant attempt to cause people to take sides, and this is exactly what people did. Unfortunately, as the admin of the chat, I spent a long time formulating my response at this point and did not manage to bring a visible response before people began chatting about the issue.

The main problem for me as the admin of the chat was that the post was stirring up drama about people who were not present in the chat. In addition, knowing about the backfire effect (which I detailed in the first bullet point above), I knew discussion about it in the chat was not going to change anyone’s mind. I continued to try to refocus discussion about the incident to what had happened in the chat itself, but the person in question, as well as others, refused to heed my requests.

III. Vagueing 

Vagueing is a form of gossip, and it’s the reason I was so loath to write this post without naming names. That’s why I made it so clear at the outset of this post that everyone involved in the incident will be made aware of what i have to say. 

Gossiping does nothing but stir up bad feelings between people, and vagueing is one of the worst types of gossip. The person posting this type of gossip causes people to go around behind other people’s backs to report the comments, and inevitably leads to people taking sides and defending their friends. It is, frankly, a very rude thing to do. 

IV. The responsibility of adults in a fandom

The only responsibility adults in a fandom have is over their own behavior.

Let me repeat that:  The only responsibility adults in a fandom have is over their own behavior.

What does this mean? It means that adults who are concerned about potential contact with minors in the fandom may choose to mark their blogs 18+ only. They may decide to block minors who follow their blogs. It means they have no obligation to be an example for younger people, especially if they are uncomfortable with finding themselves in this kind of position. They are perfectly within their rights to remove themselves from that sort of situation. The people involved in the situation outlined above, who were vagued about, had both made this choice.

This does mean that if people decide to interact with minors, such as myself, there are other responsibilities which come into play, such as not presenting sexual content to them on an individual basis, and not having NSFW conversations in front of them. For this reason, in the writers’ chat I admin, NSFW conversations are banned. None of the topics discussed in the vaguepost in question had been talked about in the writers’ chat, and the people being vagued about were not present.

V. The responsibility of writers in a fandom

The responsibility of writers in fandom is clear, and the fact that there are warning flags and age limits in place on writing archives such as AO3 makes this fact pretty clear, too. There is no imperative to write morally pure things, or avoid writing things that might offend readers. The onus is on readers to look over the warnings and avoid things that may upset them or be inappropriate for them. This is especially true when the writers in question are making especial efforts to avoid the minors in the fandom.

VI. Conclusion

It may be noted that the topic of the original vaguepost that was brought to the chat has not been tackled in this post. That’s because of my role in this whole situation, which is as the admin of the writers’ chat. My opinion on the original topic is moot for several reasons which I don’t want to get into here. What I’d like for my readers to take away from this are the main points I made which are as follows:

- bringing drama to a public space will automatically lead to people taking sides - vagueposting about other site members is rude as fuck - no one has any responsibility to curate your fandom experience for you

[tigerstripedmoon]

I totally support your decision of ditching RWBY's canon. The writing is terrible and I think RT focus more on fanservice (aka money) more than the actual show ("yey, the characters aren't acting like themselves anymore? Just throw some Bumblebee or other ship scenes and everyone will be happy again"). We as fans, should all pretend from now on, that canon rwby ended after vol 5 and volumes 6,7 never were released tbh and don't support RT with money, maybe then they'll learn their lesson :/

I wish enough people would support voting with their pocketbooks, because let’s face it--that’s the only way Rooster Teeth will ever care. They’ve deleted criticism off of Twitter when people have sent it as replies to their tweets, and at this point I’m quite certain all they want are sycophants buying merch and shoveling in what they give them without any critical thought.

Money is, of course, what keeps a show running, so i don’t begrudge RT for trying to maximize profits. But when you compare RWBY as it is now to shows like Avatar or Adventure Time or Steven Universe, RWBY falls far short when it comes to consistency, cohesiveness, and bravery of storytelling. I can forgive consistency for the beginning few seasons of a series. I can forgive a lot, really. After a while, though, when the writers retreat into ‘rule of cool overrides years of worldbuilding, setup, and character development’ and ‘fuck the five seasons of intricate morality and questions we’ve been playing with, that’s too hard! The protagonists are always right now LOL’, then it’s clear that the writers no longer respect the fans or the project they’re working on. They do such an excellent job with RvB when it comes to tackling morality issues and consequences that I sincerely don’t understand why they fail so hard with RWBY.

I really think it depends on the series and creators whether or not it’s gone the route of money-only. Several excellent series aren’t like that (Steven Universe, The Dragon Prince, Good Omens, etc). Now, fandoms? Purity culture and ship wars are... you know, I’m not even touching that one. I don’t get it. I started in the good ol’ days when Usenet was the big thing and fanfiction.net had yet to be developed. 

Fandom is just a continuous cycle of disasters and wank, and it’s just best to sit far away from it and eat popcorn. 

[robotnuts]

trying so hard to find jason saying he wrote a treatment and got rejected for rvb18 i KNOW he said this. “no one wanted to work on your stupid baby show” sure is.... a defense i guess, but it’s not even true 

[issdefiant]

let me be clear though: i 100% mean my take on felix. canon felix doesn’t exist here

[magpiecrime]

Real talk RvB fandom

I just want you to know that even if you're joking, pestering the writers to make a ship canon does nothing more than convince the writers that the fandom is a bunch of "silly/kooky slash shippers" who just like things to get their ship validated.

I get wanting it to be canon for representation. It's nice to see people like you in your media. Representation is important, but it should have no bearing on shipping or the confirmation of a ship. Wanting it is fine. Celebrating it is good! Making it about your ship and hassling the creator/writer is not the way to get it.

However, my point is not over shipping. It's over boundaries. Some of you may not be aware that people have been harassed over what they wrote in RvB and RWBY. Joe was sent death threats. Miles, along with Kerry, are repeatedly criticized for decision made in RWBY. Miles was criticized for decisions in Chorus when he wrote RvB too. There is a huge difference though between "hey, I don't think this is a good look for this character or plot point" and "omg I'll pay you to make my ship canon."

It isn't cute. It isn't funny. It puts people in an uncomfortable spot. It's upsetting to those of us who keep fan things, like shipping, fic, and fanart, in the fandom. When a writer for a show finds art or fic on their own, it's one thing. Shoving it in their face and making them aware of it is the problem. These people aren't your friends. Stop blurring that boundary line and realize that some things need to have at least some distance.