#rory emotionally cheating on dean with jess
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lazyspeedy · 20 days ago
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the way ppl place rory on this pedestal is sooo like idk it’s lame and makes me think a lot of ppl see rory as an aspirational concept rather than a character
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yenqa · 11 months ago
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to be loved is to be known
synopsis — jungwon knows you. he knows you so well that he can tell when you’ve fallen out of love with him.
warnings — falling out of love, reader is a bad gf, one curse word, angst no fluff, emotionally cheating
pairing — jungwon x gn!reader
wordcount — 354
a/n — don’t be fooled by the title this is all angst, but it’s also an apology for delaying 10tihay LOL. this is based off rory, dean and jess erm spoilers if u haven’t watched gilmoore girls
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jungwon was watching you fall in love with another man.
he watched you laugh and banter with niki, biting his lip so hard it would bleed.
it had been like this for awhile; you ditched him to hang out with the other guy, who wasn’t good for you at all.
he couldn’t help but blame niki—if he hadn’t started flirting and hanging around you, then this wouldn’t have happened.
jungwon knows you fell out of love with him awhile ago.
he still loved you. he believed that to be loved was to be known. and he knew you. so well that he could tell with just a look in your eyes when you’ve cried out of happiness or sadness. he knew.
one thing he knew he was was that he was observant. he noticed things that no one else noticed.
this led him to notice how you would cancel dates with him to hang out with niki instead. or how distant you’ve been to him but how animated you seem with him.
you were his first love. but jungwon isn’t dumb—he knew that you two weren’t going to last forever. but he didn’t think the end would be so soon.
he knew that you were stubborn, too. so even if he tried to make you stay away from him, you wouldn’t listen.
i mean, who would? niki was everything jungwon wasn’t. he was cool, he was fun, he didn’t care about any rules, he knew how to charm someone and he was the typical bad boy someone would swoon over.
it seemed like you picked to fall in love with the exact opposite of him.
so when you were both dancing together at prom and he saw you looking at him. he couldn’t help but feel so frustrated.
it was an asshole move, for sure, but he let his emotions take over.
jungwon was an observant man.
so observant that he knew you weren’t hurt by him dumping you—even if it was right in the middle of the slow dance. in fact, he swore he saw your eyes flicker to riki’s while he did so.
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ksfd892 · 3 months ago
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Lorelai and Luke and Rory and Jess both have the same set of relationship issues. Luke and Lorelai struggle to let people in, and Rory and Jess struggle to stay.
Luke and Lorelai are two people who had to grow up very quickly and be independent from a young age. As such, they're very defensive of the world they've created and struggle to let people in. Luke thinks it's enough to give Rachel a drawer when she stays with him and Lorelai thinks 'a thousand yellow daisies' and marriage to Max will finally make her feel loved and supported. They both realise it's not enough; Luke doesn't love Rachel the same way as he does Lorelai, and Lorelai loves the idea of Max more than the actual person. Rachel and Max haven't done anything wrong but they are not the right people for Luke and Lorelai. After these respective break-ups, Luke and Lorelai are cautious with starting to date again and hesitate to try a relationship with each other.
Rory and Jess have issues with abandonment and with being 'enough'. Rory has been told her entire life how she is special, how smart she is and how she is supposed to go to Harvard. She is Lorelai's do-over and is unable to voice the pressure she is under. To add to this, her father doesn't visit her until she is sixteen and Rory eventually learns that he is only interested in being a dad if he has a chance with Lorelai. His leaving hurts her, both when she is a kid and later when he goes back to Sherry, and Rory sees leaving or ending a relationship as the worst thing you can do (interestingly, she finds this harder to forgive than Logan cheating on her). She is so determined not to be like her parents that she is afraid to realise that she is no longer in love with Dean and has feelings for Jess. Rory bolts after kissing Jess, leaving him with the idea that she doesn't care about him at all. After they do get together and Jess leaves at the end of S3 Rory is also left with this misconception; that Jess does not care about her and she is afraid to run away with him when he asks in S4 because she no longer feels emotionally safe with him. Jess left for reasons that had nothing to do with her, such as finding his own father, but he also feels he is not 'enough'. He, like Rory, does not communicate this and so their relationship or chance of starting over breaks down.
Luke and Lorelai eventually work through this fear of being vulnerable and get married. It's less clear where Rory and Jess will end up but the door is not closed to them; Rory kisses Jess in S6 and ,although they don't get back together, they are friends by AYITL. Jess gives the advice that gets Rory back on track to who she is, as he did all those years before. Hopefully in future they try again and, this time, are willing to stay.
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frazzledsoul · 1 month ago
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Rory and Dean were sneaking around with each other for weeks before Jess re-entered her life and asked her to spend the summer with him. He is not responsible for her decision to have an extramarital affair because she wanted to feel "safe" (something which does not remotely make any sense whatsoever, by the way, and does not justify her fucking another woman's husband).
Rory was lonely, wanted attention, and wanted to be the golden girl fawned over by Stars Hollow because that wasn't happening at Yale. She had convinced herself that Dean was key to being a college centric golden couple again and raged against Lindsey thwarting the college ambitions Dean never had. Dean initially tells her it's none of her business, then corners her in an alley at Yale and gives her the "my wife just doesn't understand me" speech beloved by adulterers throughout time immemorial. They agree to start sneaking around behind Lindsey's back, which is followed by letting her friends drunk dial him, a highly inappropriate giggly phone call, and yet more sneaking around behind Lindsey's back at Yale.
Then Jess showed up.
It was not in Jess's best interest to spend the summer with Rory. He was too emotionally fragile, she was too untrustworthy, and she was not at all prepared to handle the class differences between them. It definitely was not in Dean's best interest to engage in an affair with Rory. I think instead of thinking about was best for someone who would help openly torpedo her ex's marriage because it makes her feel better and scream in her other ex's face when she knew for a fact how unstable he was, one should consider how her behavior affected them.
I don't feel terribly sorry for Dean. The affair was his idea and he got what was coming to him. However, ultimately he reaped the consequences for that affair and Rory did not. She was escorted off to Europe by her wealthy grandmother, wrote Dean a letter ending his marriage because she reiterated that she did not regret any of it, and tired of Dean almost immediately after their reconciliation because she was distracted by another bad boy who could read, at which point she moves into a life of upper-class excess. If anything, she was rewarded for the affair, which could explain why she doesn't think her infidelity in S6 and AYITL is a moral matter worth considering and she continues to do it.
I believe Jess was ready to move on from Rory and from New York and to find a life and a community that would accept him. If she hadn't rejected him in the way that she did, maybe he wouldn't have found it as soon as he did. Or maybe she could have been kinder to him and he could have moved onto the next stage of his life knowing someone believed in him. I don't think Dean's marriage would have lasted much longer, but maybe if Rory had not agreed to sneak around behind Lindsey's back he could have quietly separated from her instead of blowing up his life in the way that he did.
At any rate, Jess is not responsible for Rory's actions. Infidelity is a consistent behavior pattern for her, no matter who else is involved, and he has made it a point to remove himself from cheating scenarios she has placed him in. Dean and Rory are responsible for the harm that they caused and there is no justification for what they did.
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feralgodmothers · 2 years ago
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I watched back in the saddle again the other day. And Christ alive. It takes a special kind of irritating to annoy me when you’re not even in the episode. But lo and behold. Mariano annoyed me when he wasn’t even in the episode. I was so pissed at Rory on Dean’s behalf it’s unreal. She’s just so incredibly awful to him post nephew arrival. And the worst part is. I don’t even think she knows what she’s doing.
Sidenote. Is it just me or does Charleston have it in for Rory? I don’t know if it’s classism or sexism. But he’s a prick to her and treats her differently compared to the other students to a detrimental degree. Because at least with Paris you have the excuse of being terrified of her. But with Rory, who’s only real disadvantage is living in another, less fancy, town I think, his treatment her reeks of prejudice. Just wanted to ask your opinion on it.
I had to rewatch the episode because I couldn’t recall it just by the title and oMG ANON NOW I HATE EVERYTHING. 😭😭😭
That episode is so. freaking. miserable, idk how anyone can stand to watch it, much less criticize and mock Dean when he’s feeling at his lowest. My mind still reels at how some Jess stans get so up-in-arms over characters not having enough “understanding and sympathy” just because they don’t coo over their fave after snaps at them like a deranged Rottweiler, but then they turn right around and laugh at the guy who’s girlfriend is treating him like a disposed rag.
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Jess certainly casts a long and horrible shadow, doesn’t he?
You know, I used to think that Jess and Rory having a cursed, “doomed-to-fail” relationship was karma in a vague sense for the shady way they came together behind Dean’s back - but now I’m starting to think that Rory and Jess deserved just about every negative aspect of their relationship. Rory ended up cursed with a guy who treats her roughly the same way she treated Dean, and Jess ended up cursed by being constantly compared to Dean. Their combined mistreatment of him came right back to bite them. Jess in this whole situation was the human embodiment of ‘eff around and find out’. Like - you stole this guy’s girlfriend and made it clear you think you’re better than him? Well, here’s karma to point out all the ways you’re not. And then on the flip side with Rory, it’s like yeah - it sucks to be considered an afterthought, doesn’t it Rory? It sucks to have a tight-lipped, emotionally distant partner, doesn’t it Rory? It sucks to have to beg the person you’re dating to do things with you, doesn’t it Rory?
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I do get mad at her sometimes. But I can’t ever bring myself to hate her, because it’s like you said - she doesn’t actually know what she’s doing. She was really young and inexperienced, and I don’t think she ever intended to hurt anyone. I think a lot of her dating issues come from the way she tries so hard to be logical and (for lack of a better word) nice about everything she does. I think that for her whole life up until she entered the dating world, she was able to gain control over any complicated situation and mediate any conflict by finding a solution that turns out the best for everyone. I think she desperately wanted to have that same ability in her love life, and then when it didn’t work out that way, she froze and just hoped a magical solution would fall out of the sky if she stalled long enough. I think dating requires a healthy mix of using your mind and heart, and imo - pretty much all of Rory’s questionable decisions come from a severe imbalance of those two things. I think Rory tries to make herself use only her head 99% of the time, so when her heart finally does take the wheel - it’s at the worst times when she’s caught up in some kind of emotional upheaval. She cheated with Dean when she felt like she was drowning at school, she kissed Jess behind Dean’s back when the tide looked to be turning between her parents again, and she kissed Jess behind Logan’s back after the whole bridesmaids controversy. I think her haters just chalk it up to her being “selfish”, but honestly - I think that’s an oversimplification.
As far as Hanlin is concerned - I don’t remember his scenes very much at all, unfortunately. Just based on this episode, I don’t think he had it in for Rory, but I’ll have to rewatch the show for real to pick up on that one.
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the reason it was never going to work between rory and jess is that relationship started out with rory cheating on dean.
point blank period.
rory romanticized the fuck out of jess as being so much smarter than her current boyfriend to the point of putting him on a dangerous pedestal. when he started acting like a jaded 17 year old boy with a hard knock life and making some dumb decisions, that shine wore off for her immediately.
it is only when her life goes to shit again that she starts romanticizing "what could have been" with jess and letting herself get pulled back into that toxicity of her youth, trying to chase that freedom and naivety again to her own detriment.
people who emotionally cheat romanticize the partner they cheat with and once they ruin the relationship they have for the idealized version of their new partner, it is only a matter of time because that person being a real life human being starts to disappoint the cheater and ruin the new relationship between them.
it wasn't sexy once it wasn't forbidden indeed.
anyways i think lorelai does this as well, too a much more extreme version than rory does and it's evident how she goes back and forth between the same 3 guys basically for the entire run of the show. she is stuck romanticizing, emotionally cheating, and then romanticizing again. its a vicious cycle. when she's with chris, she wants luke. when she's with luke, she wants chris. when she's with max, its chris. when its chris, luke. etc ad nauseum.
tldr: rory needs to get away from her mother for a while cause the girl needs her own personality.
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bqstqnbruin · 1 year ago
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Rory: freaks out that Dean will think that she was cheating on him by kissing Tristin when they were broken up
Also Rory: emotionally cheats on Dean with Jess, kisses Jess while she and Dean are still dating, sleeps with Dean thereby making him cheat on Lindsay, kisses Jess when she's dating Logan because she wants to get back at him
of all the times she actually did cheat on her partner why was she not so freaked out ???
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saiilor-mars · 2 years ago
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Was he not right every single time though? I don’t know why he receives so much vitriol even though every single time he got angry over her being with a guy 9/10 it was warranted. He was right about Tristin liking Rory, he was right about Jess liking Rory and Rory liking Jess back (even though Dean and Rory were together). Yall give this kid way too much shit even though he was 16 at the beginning of the show. Rory wasn’t a good girlfriend to him either but no one hates her like they hate Dean. She was constantly avoidant, lied to him on numerous occasions and emotionally cheats on Dean before also physically cheating on him.
If Rory was the one to spot Dean being infatuated with another girl and had suspicions that went on for a whole season, just for them to be proven correct after we found out that he lied and cheated, it would be a very different story.
That’s not to say Dean is likeable, honestly he isn’t because outside of Rory we don’t ever get to see him as a person or character, he was mad a lot of the time and I hate it, but at the same time when Rory and Dean weren’t fighting over silly typical first relationship type things that teenagers often get worked up about, his grievances were justifiable.
ohh i love when a random gilmore girls rerun comes on and i'm reminded how annoying dean gilmore girls is skdfjkdg always throwing a tantrum over rory being anywhere near another guy and jumping to conclusions and yelling at her in public and embarrassing her. but no he's the 'nice guy, boy next door, first love'
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literatigifs · 3 years ago
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anonymous asked: You know the most baffling thing about seeing Jess hate in the tags is when you immediately find out that the same people that hate him as a character and love Logan or Christopher or Dean then say something like "sure, Jess had it rough, but that is no excuse for how he behaved!" and yet they seem, completely fine?? With how the rest of the men in this series behaved?
I gave up on going into the main tags for this exact same reason because once one of them starts complaining, an entire league just picks up the pace and you get the same old points be regurgitated by the same 3 people over and over again. It's just boring at this point, like they spend so much time obsessively hating Jess and yet they can't even make up new reasons for it? I know that going as far as saying shit like "he probably sold meth as crystal candy to underage toddlers in New York in order to make some money in season 5" takes a lot of creativity but if you can't beat that, then your obsession with this character seems pretty pointless lmao.
And it's always the same with their reasons for liking Logan and Dean or preferring them, too! There's literally zero substance or interesting takes being given about these characters from their fans and it's so baffling to see at times?? Like the reason I love Jess is because his familial relationships, and even his ongoing connection with Rory are ripe for analyzing and talking about. I would extend this favor to Logan to a point because while his rich boy background is overwhelmingly generic (emotionally absent father who drinks habitually and cheats on his wife, mother who is a nervous wreck and the stereotypical wife of a rich man who married him for his money), there's still some aspects you could lean into and even dissect like how his destructive tendencies can be easily paralleled to his father's behavior AND to their relationship with each other. But again, nothing is done with this by his fans! They just repeat the same shit over and over again about how Logan was "the most perfect husband material to ever exist", despite the fact that there's various red flags given throughout the series even in season 7 where he goes back to his old habits and doesn't even communicate with Rory properly before he abruptly proposes, then ditches her. If they would at least admit that the so-called "ignorant writing choices" are also part of a larger pattern with his character and embraced his faults I'd get it, but they don't?
The same thing goes for Dean's fans. Dean has frankly nothing to credit him as being an interesting character because he practically exists to be Rory's first boyfriend (and then first experience in being the other woman 🥴). Every other relationship we see him in like with Lindsay, Luke or even Lorelai border on embarrassing to incredibly frustrating and negative, given how Dean seems to be completely fine with demeaning Luke's relationship with Lorelai because of his own personal history, or freely taking part in an affair despite being married to Lindsay. Like, he literally gives Lindsay more consideration only AFTER he has cheated on her and publicly humiliated her with that fact. I'm truly confused as to how Jess antis go on to say that even Dean was better than him when he willingly ruined his marriage with an affair by sleeping with Rory, an act that neither Jess or Rory ever did when she was with Dean. Last time I checked, Rory didn't try to sleep with Jess multiple times in season 3. And of course his fans just vaguely say they don't support that before then going on their 500th tirade about how Rory, an average high-schooler who's only dated one guy in her 17 year life by that point, had the audacity to develop a crush on a guy who liked her back and just wanted to spend time talking to her. Their reasons are frankly predictable at this point and honestly for all their complaining about Jess fans, the ones I see in the tags don't come off this obnoxious and holier-than-thou as they do.
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scoopsgf · 3 years ago
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Literally though like anyone who hates on Jess and says he's boring, selfish, has no excuse for his behavior but then goes on to excuse characters like Logan or even DEAN for the way they behave around Rory throughout their relationship it's like, always obvious to me that they truly don't know wtf they're even saying most of the time. Like you can find a way to excuse Logan purely bc his father is shitty but you can't find it in you to understand why Jess is the way that he is when he had barely any parental figure as well as money? There's just zero reasoning for it beyond "well, I find this guy hot and I don't find that one hot", that's it. I'd be fine with it if people just were honest about it, and didn't just make up dumb bs about why Jess is the devil incarnate vs Logan the saintly Hamburger when Jess's behavior for the most part is just him being a kid who didn't grow up in a stable household in EVERY way.
LOGAN THE SAINTLY HAMBURGER babe… babe i love you i laughed out loud. but truly it’s so hypocritical and the complete lack of critical thinking skills is super obvious in shitty takes like that. everyone can have their fav and support them and whatever, but at least acknowledge when they’re genuinely a piece of crap human being? like, i can do that. jess was so wrong for the way he handled a lot of stuff in his and rory’s relationship, but unlike the other love interests there are reasons he sucked at communicating, reasons he shoved his emotions down, reasons he was insecure, reasons he prioritized work over school and (debatably) rory. dean has absolutely no excuse for emotionally, mentally, and verbally abusing rory over and over again, not to mention coercing her into sleeping with him. he made her afraid of him, he had her on edge and questioning/doubting herself constantly, he scared her. he was a horrible first boyfriend and a horrible guy for her to have had her first time with. i think most of the fandom can actually agree on that though, so it’s not really a hot take. logan, on the other hand, has way more people excusing his BS because it’s more subtle, because he’s more charming and suave, and because he’s rich and they’re projecting. he doesn’t have a great relationship with his dad and that sucks! and it did feed into the way he behaved sometimes, but when I really look at logan objectively all i see is someone who’s irresponsible, who refuses to take accountability for their mistakes and is determined to push the blame onto others, who acts way too immature for his age and seems to take pleasure in humiliating others (the stunt with rory in her classroom is a great example of this), who isn’t aware of his own privilege and abuses it to a point that’s actually kind of gross (sinking his father’s yacht, barely trying in his classes at yale/not contributing to the paper even though he’s able to attend an ivy league school), and who just… doesn’t understand rory at all. jess undoubtedly messed up a lot the first go around, but the difference is that he actually made an effort to better himself. he owned up to his mistakes, he changed his behavior, he matured, he made something of himself just like rory believed he would, and he saw rory and loved her unconditionally, even with her faults. we see the opposite with logan in the revival—he’s still up to his same old crap, he’s willing to put rory in the uncomfortable situation of being the “other woman” (and therefore doesn’t value her or respect her at all); he cheats on his fiancé and lies to just about everyone in his life, he’s unreliable and smarmy and just… idk, he grosses me out, but that’s def more of a personal reaction than a universal one. anyway, tl;dr: jess was a messy teenage kid when he dated rory for the first time, but he shaped up and became more right for rory than any of her other love interests (and even when they were teenagers he was still soulmate material, he just needed to wisen up and gain some self-confidence).
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jakeperalta · 3 years ago
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When it comes to the Dean/Rory/Jess love triangle in S2-3, Dean’s behaviour is actually the least problematic and yet Literatis act like Dean was somehow being unreasonable by being upset about Jess actively trying to break up his relationship and his girlfriend emotionally cheating on him for months with the guy who’s been trying to break up his relationship.
that whole situation is truly the biggest mess but honestly I feel bad for dean more often than the others. like obviously he has his issues and could've dealt with it better (been less clingy/possessive, spoken about things more rationally with her), but if I were him and some guy was being a dick to me whilst blatantly trying it on with my girlfriend (including driving her round in the car I literally built for her) and she was not only clearly falling for it but stringing me along and denying there was anything wrong, then yeah I'd get pretty upset too.
(in the same way I think people being like "well dean dumped rory" just doesn't stand up as something to hold against him. again, could've been handled better (literally just going somewhere private instead of right on that dance floor) but at that point rory had literally cheated on him and then continued to obsess over jess for months, so it was just self preservation on his part to get out of there.)
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lexiklecksi · 7 days ago
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Thank you @notes-in-the-margins and @cinnamon-notes for your additions! Allow me to add a lengthy addition.
Firstly: how could I leave out Sookie? She definitely presents very well on the spectrum. Her love for cooking and how she approaches cooking is quite unique and seems to be a special interest of hers. That's why she gets so upset when her kitchen staff mess up even though she gives them clear instructions. She takes it very personally, also with the produce her husband is harvesting.
About Jess: maybe I was just self-projecting on his character because I have bipolar disorder. But you made good points that his behaviour fits better to borderline personality disorder. The way he gets emotionally hung up on Rory but also doesn't understand that he didn't treat her well speaks for itself. In a way, he often sabotages himself due to the trauma responses he has from his childhood trauma. He was depicted as the bad boy in the series, but he never cheated on Rory. Rory cheated on Dean with him and later in the series, she was the other woman when Dean was still married to Lindsay. Jess has issues with letting others close to him because his parents are unreliable, so he searches for comfort but gets scared when someone gets too close.
I would undoubtedly diagnose his mother Liz with bipolar disorder. At least to me, she seems to have manic phases, where she is very euphoric but also has a loss of reality. Like getting married quite soon into a new relationship because she is so swept up in her honeymoon phase that she can't assess her situation rationally. In the past, she has struggled with toxic relationships and frequently changed her jobs and homes.
I agree that Paris is autistic, so maybe her compulsive behaviour is just a symptom of it; or she developed OCD on top of that. She's not really a bad person, but has no clue how to behave properly and struggles a lot to empathize with others. She has empathy, of course, but how she presents it is not well received. Her search for parental figures, because her own parents are absent, leads her to lean on her nanny and ask Lorelei for advice; perhaps also that's why she falls in love with older men like Professor Flemming.
I don't see how Rory or Lorelei have autistic traits, at least to me, they have many ADHD traits that are far more prominent. Possibly, Rory could have AuDHD, since she has a special interest in literature and struggles more to understand others than her mother. And apart from her childhood friend Lane, Paris is her only other close friend, even though they started off as frenemies. They just stick together from school to university and struggle to get involved with their peers.
Oh, and let's praise Tanna and Kirk for being autistic icons! They are just so relatable; at least when I compare them to my autistic husband and my autistic friends, I can see all the similarities.
Okay that's all I have to say now, but I'm always open for discussion! However we may diagnose the characters in Gilmore Girls, I think we can all agree that this series offers many examples of great neurodiverse representation! Even greater because it was and still is a popular show, so a bigger audience can experience the joy of it.
Neurodivergent characters in Gilmore Girls
I’m currently rewatching Gilmore Girls and realised I love the series so much because there are so many well-written neurodivergent characters in it and this is how I diagnose them:
Lorelai Gilmore: adhd
Rory Gilmore: adhd (inherited from her mother)
Paris Geller: ocd
Jess Mariano: bipolar disorder (inherited from his mother)
Tanna: autism
Kirk Gleason: autism
I could write a lengthy explanation but I spent all my time creating this graphic with a subtle old tv effect. So unless you want to read my explanation or discuss diagnoses of fictional characters in a fun way with me, this has to wait.
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roeyliteratiforever · 3 years ago
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People out here are really saying because Rory never had sex with Jess that it says a lot about their chemistry...and that somehow means they had no romantic chemistry...I'm sorry what? Did you really think she had chemistry with Dean when he was cheating on his wife with her?! Did you not cringe the whole time watching them in bed together, and do the nasty?! And yes it was nasty he manipulated her into sleeping with him while he was married full on prepared to cheat on his wife! 🤢 Dean and Rory had ZERO chemistry! The fact that Jess and Rory never had sex doesn't mean they didn't have chemistry they had the MOST chemistry so logically it would have made the most since, but it didn't happen because it was a product of bad timing, and mistrust after he left...it came down to writing, timing, and Milo's availability on the show it had nothing to do with their chemistry! Jess was the first one she wanted to have sex with she even told her mom about it, but their were other factors that played into why it didn't happen with them not because of the lack of chemistry! One does not have to have sex with someone to have chemistry, you just have it or you don't! Dean and Rory definitely did not, she didn't even have good chemistry with Logan! They were super boring, and not one of their kissing/sex scenes were passionate! They were also awkward to watch romantically! Jess and Rory had so much chemistry that they were falling in love in real life that's how strong their chemistry was! I seriously can't believe someone seriously tried to start an argument about this with me! I'm like did you watch the show?! Did you not see how Jess and Rory were super drawn to each other and had so much tension they had, and how passionate their scenes were?! I'm just saying all you have to do is look at the screen to see the chemistry! Dean and Rory had the chemistry of a 2 by 4, and Logan and Rory had the chemistry of a poorly written G rated film they were boring and un-comfy, sex does not equate good chemistry! It doesn't take much to see Jess and Rory had the most chemistry physically, emotionally, and intellectually!
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frazzledsoul · 10 months ago
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So Matt Czuchry has been making the promo rounds recently because apparently he's still alive on American Horror Story this most recent season and the season was split in two parts.
Apparently he was on The Talk two days ago and he was accused of ruining the love lives of teenage girls for decades
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First of all, I am sick of the knee-jerk misandry that claims that any man Rory Gilmore dates is not good enough for her, because she's such paragon of fidelity, moral character, and good behavior. Has anyone asked if Rory is a good girlfriend and if these guys deserve her? She cheats on or with all of her boyfriends (with Dean and Logan, she's done both), she pits these guys against each other often, she frequently lies and misleads them about her intentions (this goes along with the cheating), she very rarely is repentant about any of this, and she also has the nerve to play the martyr (hello, bridesmaids: hello, being pissed at Jess for not waiting for her in season 3) when her track record does not call for it. I'm not saying she's always awful, but I think the only seasons where she was fair to whoever she was dating were season 1 and season 7. The rest of the time her record....is not good.
Furthermore, Dean and Jess seemed to struggle for a bit after Rory leaves their lives for good and then they get considerably better without her. Dean had at least one kid by 2011, so I'm assuming he was married and settled by then, which is really all he wanted in life (hopefully he got some therapy first). Jess is an author, co-owns a business, and is accepted in a community of his own by 2006 (and is emotionally stable enough not to hold Rory manipulating him into more love triangle bullshit against her). Logan never really gets a break from any of this in the canon we see (and is just as big of a cheater as she is in AYITL) but even he is personally and professionally stable by that era while Rory spends most of AYITL throwing epic tantrums and destroying any professional opportunity she gets.
Why should the boyfriends, who actually exhibited considerable character growth, should be forever declared "toxic" and perpetually morally inferior to Rory when they became more mature (okay, Logan has a mixed record, but Adult Logan works and he gets along with his dad, so we'll take it) and she did not? Why isn't anyone asking if the way Rory treats other people is behavior we want young girls to emulate, instead of only holding the boyfriends to account for what they did wrong?
Yeah, yeah, I know. This is the perils of being a main character written by Amy Sherman Palladinos: you leave her orbit and your life gets better offscreen. But Rory holds a lot of blame for why these relationships didn't work, especially since she keeps doing the same thing over and over. She should be held just as accountable for the things she did wrong as her partners are.
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Honestly, Czuchry is being a lot more gracious than the situation calls for here. He showed up to promote his most recent project and a random Tik Tok was waved in his face accusing him of ruining the love lives of young women for years, because of what his character on a TV show did LITERALLY DECADES AGO. Why are y'all mad at him? He didn't write this. He had zero control over any of this. Why is this his fault? This ain't why he's there. Go yell at ASP if you're still mad and leave the actors alone. Credit goes to him for not trying to play Team Logan and be diplomatic because I don't really think he signed up for this discourse here.
This isn't an issue that is isolated to Czuchry: Milo also made the Interwebs mad when he asked to defend Jess's behavior on a talk show a while back (promoting a completely different project) and he pointed that Jess was literally a child when he was a main character on the show with a lot of childhood trauma. But hey, let's get pissed at the actor for pointing out literal facts again.
And Czuchry is right here:all of these characters were flawed, none of them behaved perfectly, and you should not model your real life relationships on any of them. This is not a tale of evil men ganging up on a helpless damsel. There's plenty of bad behavior to go around for all of them.
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feralgodmothers · 2 months ago
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God, Rory is SUCH a bad girlfriend. 😑😤
Behold, me being utterly unamused over Rory visiting Jess in New York:
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(His whole existence and the disproportionate amount of support he gets has me ready to commit small acts of terrorism)
Meanwhile Dean is over there getting emotionally cheated on by Rory and he’s willing to trade breakfasts with her (I’ll never be over that) and all I want to do is wrap my arms around him like a loving and devoted sloth
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(Dean my baby boo you deserved so much better and no one understands you like I do. 💔)
Also, side note: I really, REALLY appreciate Sookie. She is such a gem and is the kind of friend I’d like to be. She’s so sweet and understanding and supportive and accommodating… I think she’s knocked Rory out of my #5 spot in my Top 5 Gilmore Girls Characters list.
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georgianadarcies · 3 years ago
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Not that I want to say that Jess did nothing wrong with not taking Rory to prom but I feel like the key difference between him not taking her to prom and Logan proposing and then dumping her is that Jess TRIED to take her to prom and genuinely wanted to make her happy in doing so. He didn't intentionally sabotage her wish of wanting to go to the prom with Lane, he actually wanted to get tickets and get the tuxedo and limo and do it the way Rory wanted to, but he couldn't because of his own mistake and most importantly, Rory was never made to think that Jess not taking her to prom was her own fault. Even if Jess doesn't directly say "it's my fault", he makes it obvious that he can't take her because of what HE did, and even apologizes for it.
Whereas Logan not only proposes to Rory at her graduation party and makes it an unannounced and completely abrupt public proposal, he intentionally makes everything about Rory's graduation to be about them, and specifically about HIM and wanting to marry her and then move together for HIS job. Nothing about Rory's own wishes, nothing about her preferred location for living after college, not even the benefit of knowing that he seriously considered marriage as the only possible step for them after this?? And breaking up with her fully takes the cake for it because again, even when Jess calls her before or during her graduation, he obviously wants to talk to her or at least tell her something after he bailed, and Rory knows it's his fault and says it as such. Whereas with Logan, he pretty much puts all of the weight of their relationship on RORY, and her not wanting to immediately get married despite them not even talking about it properly? It's the most unnecessary dick move I've seen, completely inconsiderate and awful but most of all disrespectful to the fact that she stood by his side for over 2 years??? nursed him back to health, emotionally supported him throughout all his bs with his father, even put up with him cheating on her, only for him to further be like "if you don't do this for me and continue to do so for the rest of our lives probably, we're over".
no I totally agree!! I’ve always said that the breakup with jess is the one breakup of rory’s that she explicitly did not blame on herself. they both had a part to play, but I mean that she didn’t think oh, he left because of me. he left because I wasn’t good enough or because he hated me. she knew that it was because of his own shit, which didn’t make it hurt less, but it didn’t lower her self worth like other break ups did.
jess TRIED to take her to prom and it hurts so much that like. even though he didn’t really want to go he was such a good sport and insisted on paying and was enthusiastic about the tux and didn’t complain. and he begged the principal to let him go – not even to let him graduate, just to let him take his girlfriend to the prom. rory knew (I don’t know HOW she found out about his dad and flunking out because who would have told her? in the pilot for the failed spinoff, supposedly he wrote her a letter, but who knows what’s canon here since that didn’t go anywhere and she says he didn’t say a word before leaving) that he had messed up and that’s why he couldn’t take her. it still hurt, she was still upset, but jess never made her feel like the downfall of their relationship was because of her and who she is.
logan, on the other hand…. boy. what an ass. I don’t know if I can say it better than you did, because you got it spot on. rory’s relationship with logan is constantly making her question her self worth, albeit in a different way than with dean. they date casually and he ghosts her, and she’s convinced that she did something to make him not like her. he cheats, and she feels like she doesn’t mean anything to him, saying verbatim “you had plenty of backup, what did you need me for?” every time they fight, she takes full responsibility and he lets her. when he breaks up with her because she doesn’t want to get married, he literally says “what’s the point?” in reference to dating long distance. logan’s inability to take responsibility for his actions means that rory takes double the responsibility. and I LOVE the way you put the end of your ask, that break up really was so disrespectful. rory gave him so much for two fucking years, sacrificed for him, supported him even when he didn’t deserve it, defended him, cared for him, did so much and gave so much and he just disregarded it because a twenty-two year old fresh out of college didn’t want to get married, settle down, and move across the country from everyone she loved. he takes her for granted, taking and taking from her and not giving enough back, but just enough to keep her around. and then he just… ends it, like she’s nothing. like she isn’t worth it. and that is just awful and honestly despicable and I don’t understand how people find it romantic and preach about how champagne problems is their song!1!
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