#romani holocaust

[potato-frend-blog]

Despite being one of the two ethnic groups affected by the Nuremberg Laws there is not enough education on them or the Holocaust in general.

[greco-roman-jewess]

I also feel like I should add Romani communities lost a potentially indescribable amount of intangible cultural heritage.

In Romani communities cultural knowledge is transmitted orally. They historically for a variety of reasons do not write these things down so the Nazis very literally killed this information when they murdered community elders.

I think we need to reckon with the fact that many people fundamentally do not see this as “the bad ending” because for them Roma (and Jews too but at least that’s uncouth to say out loud in Western Europe) and Romani culture being wiped out is a good thing.

being a jew studying preholocaust european jewish history is just *mourns over what could have been, mourns over what could have been, mourns over what could have been, mourns over what could have been, mourns-*

[techaddictsuk]

Rozkvet - World War Two Feature Film

Hitting Kickstarter this morning is an oppotunity to back an upcoming indie film the be shot in Northern Ireland this summer. . Rozkvet is a war-drama feature film exploring the Romani people's fight for survival during the Second World War.

Hitting Kickstarter this morning is an oppotunity to back an upcoming indie film to be shot in Northern Ireland this summer. Rozkvet is a war-drama feature film exploring the Romani people’s fight for survival during the Second World War. There aren’t too many movies that centre on the Romani Holocaust and in the hands of Lamb Films, I dare say this is one to watch out��

[djuvlipen]

Romani people and activists are currently holding a ceremony at Auschwitz-Birkenau to commemorate the Romani genocide. 80 YEARS AGO TODAY the Nazis liquidated the 'Gypsy family camp', murdering 4.300 people in a single night.

As stated in the article, almost 90% of Romani people from Bohemia and Moravia (Czech Republic) were killed during the Holocaust. Between 1939 and 1945, Nazis and their allies murdered 500.000 - 800.000 Romani people all across Europe, representing 25-50% of the global Romani prewar population.

[gingerswagfreckles]

It's become extremely obvious over the past 15 months that the only reason much of the Western world ever basically agreed that the Holocaust was bad and was willing to teach about it is because for a brief period of time, Jews and gentiles in most of Europe + America had a common enemy in the Nazis. But this acknowledgement of Nazi antisemitism was only ever the same kind of acknowledgement of antisemitism that we get right now, where people are only willing to acknowledge the antisemitism of the people they already had a completely separate reason to dislike or fear. Antisemitism in this worldview is just a tool, a secondary accusation one can lodge at someone who is already for different reasons an enemy. It is never acknowledged as a form of bigotry in and of itself, that exists on its own and not as a follow up to another "more serious" form of oppression or bigotry against gentiles.

Obviously any Holocaust education we do get in Europe and the US has very much been the result efforts by Jews and our allies in a practical sense, but it is undeniable that there was a brief 70 or so year period where the white Western consciousness found it valuable (or at least politically convenient) to recognize antisemitism as wrong and the Holocaust as horrific. As true, original-brand Nazism fades, though, we see opposition to antisemitism and the Holocaust becoming less and less valuable to the white Western identity, as actual threat of Nazi occupation fades to historical memory. Newer, rebranded neo-Nazis and leftist Hamas supporters pose little to no threat to white Western gentiles. And thus, we see now not only a growing acceptance of antisemitism, but also a growing hostility towards the idea that we should study or condemn the Holocaust as anything particularly terrible. The Holocaust no longer represents a way for gentiles to additionally condemn an ideology that also threatened them, that also killed their families, that also resulted in their own countries and communities being occupied or destroyed by foreign fascist governments. It no longer represents to them an ideology that is in any way a threat to their own safety or way of life.

This is why we see such a massive rise in Holocaust denial among Gen Z, and, even more broadly than overt Holocaust denial, the rejection of the idea that the Holocaust should be particularly studied or condemned. More and more, we see people "questioning" the "propaganda" of The Jews Crying Victim All The Time, we see young people wondering why they are so cruelly forced to acknowledge on very rare occasion the suffering that the Jewish people went through in their own homes and towns. Often this is framed not only as intellectual bravery but moral bravery, as if this new generation rejecting Holocaust education is somehow fighting back against the unfair valuing of Jewish tragedy above gentile tragedy. What they don't understand, of course, and what many Jews up until now didn't understand either, is that no one ever valued the Holocaust because it WAS a uniquely horrific event in history, because it WAS the first and only industrialized genocide that gassed millions to death on a scale we can only pray the world will never see again, because it WAS only 70 years ago and is still a living part of the history of many Western countries. No. The Holocaust was only ever given the acknowledgement it was because it represented, at one time, an ideological threat that also included gentiles, though less overtly than it targeted Jews.

That ideological threat against Jews has not gone anywhere, and is in fact is seeing a new glory day dawning with the rise of fascism worldwide and the normalization/glorification of antisemitism on the left. But this new form of antisemitic hatred, be it neo-Nazism or support for Hamas, does not represent a threat to white Western gentiles, their way of life, or the integrity of their governments. And so we as we see the decoupling of the Holocaust from something that also incidentally threatens gentiles, we see standing against the Holocaust and antisemitism as a symbol of white Western identity disappearing as fast as it came.

[aliitvodeson]

Not that it should be necessary, but like- as someone who’s family was seperated, destroyed and killed during the Porajmos-

y’all don’t get to use the Holocaust to make your points against Israel

“The second Holocaust” the Holocaust is a singular event. There was nothing like it. God willing, there will never be one again. The general term is genocide. The Holocaust, which encompasses the Shoah and the Porjmos, is not a general term.

Romani know. Our families have carried those loses, the traumas, the suffering. Just as Jewish families have. Romani and Jews are cousins in that pain.

you, you american, you gadje with your fancy Instagram graphics and clip art of girls drinking tea-

you do not get to take our singular pain and invert it against any of us

[kazhanko-art]

I don’t actually want this, but a part of me wishes more westerners came from families that survived genocides and persecution sometimes. I wish more of them understood what it actually did to your family, the legacy it left, how much it hurts. I sure as hell wish they knew not to ask me shit like if hitler was worse than stalin, or if the holocaust was worse than the holodomor, and then telling me I’m not being objective and I need to admit one was worse when I say I don’t want to answer that.

It’s easy to be “objective” and add your ideology to it when it isn’t your personal story. It’s easy to tell someone to get over it when you didn’t grow up learning about your grandfather being shot at for picking up kernels of wheat off the ground, or emaciated villagers driven to madness by starvation pointing at your great aunt, a child at this time, and saying “мʼясо.” Hell, to some westerners that last story is funny, because it was never them, and it will never be them.

It’s not something people should know, but it’s hard to care about people’s theories and politics, after growing up to use everything edible you can, and make use of everything you have, because their theories and politics left scars that have stretched over time

[dougielombax]

Given the time of year.

It has become abundantly clear that many people in Europe (not all of it but still) have learnt precisely fuck all from the last 80 years.

Their idea of fighting antisemitism consists solely of sucking up to Israel, all while allowing their own Jewish populations to be harassed and bullied by fascists, who they will also gladly platform and support at the same time.

At best.

At worst they’d vote the exact same descendants of those putrid Nazis into power without hesitation. Under promise of security and “tradition”.

Blaming any and all minorities for their problems. Again. Whether it’s Jewish people, Romani people, Sami people, Armenians, the disabled, neurodivergent folks, and so on. (Speaking as one of those (neurodivergent) I’ve seen a LOT of people all too quickly stop giving a shit about us)

80 years on, they’ve learnt next to fuck all. And they refuse to admit it. They’ll say that they have learnt, but most of them haven’t.

And they’d certainly do it all again without hesitating all because of the whim of some authoritarian shithead.

All it takes is the right bastard to win over the unthinking dullards with a kind smile and the right words.

This doesn’t apply to all of Europe. But a good percentage of it regardless.

I feel like I’m the only non-Jew who realises that much.

The only person in my country who realises that much as well perhaps.

Idk

And if they had learnt, then they ought to have at least done more to prevent future genocides which followed.

Such as the Bengal Genocide of 1971, the East Timor genocide, the Tamil Genocide in Sri Lanka, the Anfal Genocide of 1988 in Iraq, the Bosnian genocide, the Rwandan genocide, the genocide of Yazidis and/or Assyrians (and other Middle Eastern Christians) by ISIS, the genocide of Rohingyas in Burma, and so on.

Among others.

At the least.

Just saying.

[bobemajses]

Monument at the mass killing site in Derazhnia, western Ukraine, 1995. Approximately 4,000 Jews and Roma were shot here in September 1942 by German soldiers and Ukrainian policemen.

[supercantaloupe]

saw a post last night complaining that the sound of music film and its popularity contribute to the "universalization of the holocaust" and that by depicting an austrian catholic gentile family's opposition to the nazi regime instead of being about jews, it paints some kind of false picture of who the nazis' real targets were. and i'm sorry but that is such a narrow minded, externally motivated reading of the film/musical. and i say this as a jew who broadly agrees that holocaust universalization and the sidelining of "the jewish problem" (as it was known in that era) in film and media is a genuine and pervasive problem. the sound of music...that is really not the right target for your ire, my friend

[challahfairy]

GOYIM STOP FUCKING USING THE HOLOCAUST AS YOUR COMPARISON TOOK CHALLENGE GOOO!!!

(they will fail.)

the holocaust is not your little tool buzzword or whatever the fuck you think it is

i’m so tired of the bickering over this, being against people who are pro peace is insane. there are innocents on both sides and denying this fact is absolutely disgusting, whether you are pro palestine or pro israel.

[wolvierinez]

remember the romani people who were victims this holocaust rememberance day

[djuvlipen]

[fairuzfan]

Sometimes I think about the "i would be concerned if you dont vote mussolini in a Hitler v Mussolini election" post and I'm just astounded all over again that people would say this out loud and think they're smart for it. What in the world do you mean you'd vote for mussolini???? That's a better alternative to not voting????? Really??????????

[romanistan]

His fate contrasts with that of another, unrelated, Reinhardt, according to the 102-page study. Anton Reinhardt, a 17 year-old German Gypsy with a Swiss mother, swam the Rhine in 1944 and tried to claim asylum in Switzerland as a conscientious objector. He was expelled and later shot while trying to escape from a Nazi concentration camp.