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reasons Connor Swindells should play Roger Hamley:
he has the right physical description per the book and is generally the right age
heâs not what youâd call âconventionally attractive,â making it believable that an 18-year-old Molly would look at him and go âthat poor man is ugly,â but still has a gentle cuteness to him that sheâd notice more once she goes on to fall for him anyway
heâs so good at playing sweet gentle characters
heâs already played one of our favorite underrated period drama love interests (Robert Martin) and if he played another, heâd be unstoppable
in conclusion:
â¨we should get a new Wives and Daughters adaptation solely so this man can play Roger Hamleyâ¨
#this is my entire agenda#who should play Molly or Cynthia or Osborne or Lady Harriet or the Gibsons or the Squire? who knows! đ¤ I have one (1) fancast and itâs him#elly's posts#wives and daughters#roger hamley#connor swindells
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Justine Waddell as Molly Gibson in Elizabeth Gaskell's Wives and Daughters
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Louisa May Alcott đ¤ Elizabeth Gaskell:
Writing stout, homely-looking romantic leads with kind hearts, handsome teeth and effeminate "rivals".
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Something New Begins to Take
âBe careful not to take after your aunt, little one,â she whispered, more to herself than to the slumbering child.
A Wives and Daughters ficlet. Aroace!Cynthia. Can be read as a sequel to Now That Your Rose Is in Bloom.
Cambridge was a far cry from London, but at any rate it did appear to suit her sister very well. To be sure, poor dear Molly was still to recover from her confinement â and for all that Cynthia wished to be brave for Mr Hendersonâs sake, she could not but secretly congratulate herself that her turn had not come yet â but there was no mistaking her deep, quiet contentment whenever her gaze rested upon her husband and her child. Â
Oh, but little Meg was a wonder â Margaret Mary, for both of her grandmothers, much to Mrs Gibsonâs dismay and Cynthiaâs very private vindication. Were she to have a daughter herself, she was determined to choose a name without any reference to either hers or her motherâs; she would stop at nothing to persuade Mr Henderson to name the child after her dear sister instead, though she admired Mollyâs delicacy of feelings in avoiding any awkward association to the disastrous engagement that had once existed between her unworthy sister and her now devoted husband. Even now that they were both happily settled with spouses far better suited to them, Cynthia could not quite understand what had possessed her to accept Rogerâs suit â except perhaps that he had been all kindness where other men had never been before, and that his love for her had been nothing like Mr Prestonâs. There was no knowing how differently she might have acted, had she suspected that Molly cared for Roger herself â but it was all in the past now, and for all that she had been worrying herself sick over this visit, seeing Roger doting over Molly and the little one had felt like a balm to her cold dead heart. Â
Even as she quietly pushed the door to the nursery open to reveal the sleeping form of the infant, curled peacefully under a remarkably ugly blanket the Misses Browning had sent especially for the occasion, Cynthia could not help but reproach herself once more for her deficiencies, even more so when compared to the depth and intensity of feeling her sister had proved herself capable of time and time again. Yes, she did love her Mr Henderson after her own fashion, and he had assured her he was more than content to hold as much of her heart as she could spare for him; still, it did not feel quite right to hold oneâs husband in nowhere near as high regard as the father and sister she had gained so late in life, but as hard as she kept trying, Cynthia could not seem to make it otherwise. Â
âBe careful not to take after your aunt, little one,â she whispered, more to herself than to the slumbering child. After all, her niece was blessed with not only one, but two loving parents who were as good and kind people as could ever be, and more besides; there was very little doubt she would turn out well, something that could not be said of any children she herself might one day give Mr Henderson, God willing. Â
Once more, she thought of her alarm over a suspected indisposition a mere few months into her marriage, and how relieved she had been to discover that had not in fact been the case. This was clearly yet more proof of the deeply rooted flaws in her nature, for she knew Mr Henderson dearly hoped for a son, and besides, marriage was ordained mainly for the creation of children, as the vicar was so fond of reminding them at every possible occasion. Still, she was grateful that her husband loved her well enough to be considerate of her wishes, and chose not to accost her quite as often as she was told other husbands did, nor had there ever been any indication he would be so indelicate as to impose upon her whenever she did not feel inclined to have him of her own accord. Â
Little Meg stirred in her sleep, and for all that she had earlier demurred when asked if she wished to hold the baby, Cynthia could not stop herself from reaching a cautious finger to her soft cheek, marvelling at the warmth and smoothness of the skin she found there. Unblemished, like she herself had once been, though she could scarcely remember it now; like dear sweet Molly had kept herself, deep in her heart, in spite of all those who wished for nothing better than to tarnish her reputation, when Cynthia herself had been the one true culprit in the whole sorry affair. âI will try and do better, for your sake as well as your motherâs,â she murmured again, though her heartfelt declaration soon turned to alarm as the child began fussing more earnestly in her cot. Â
âOh, what shall I do,â Cynthia half lamented, half pleaded as little Meg became more and more distressed by the moment. âDo not cry, please, I shall go directly and fetch your Mamma â she will know what to do, she always does.âÂ
âItâs all right,â a deep, familiar voice startled her out of her sudden panic; a moment later Roger had picked up his daughter, and was rocking her gently back to sleep. âShe will not need feeding until later, we shanât disturb Mollyâs rest just yet.âÂ
A wave of mortification so powerful washed over Cynthia as to very nearly knock the breath out of her lungs. âI am so sorry,â she forced herself to speak at last. âI should never have come in here to disturb her sleep.âÂ
Roger was now regarding her with the warm, gentle kindness that was second nature to him â even more precious now that it held no reference to his previous infatuation for her own dazzling beauty and shallow charms. Molly had once described him as a prince amongst men, and she had been perfectly right, of course; just as Cynthia was now certain that breaking off the engagement had been the right thing to do, regardless of how much pain it might have caused him at the time. Â
âSheâs very easy, it is not difficult at all to soothe her back to sleep,â Roger offered with a smile made more tender with the love of a father for his child. âShe takes after her mother in this, I think.âÂ
âStill, I am quite sorry,â Cynthia shook her head, and somehow, she knew he knew she was speaking of something else entirely. Â
Putting down the child very carefully, Roger paused a moment longer, his gaze lingering fondly on his daughterâs features. âDo not be,â he said at length. âI know Iâm not.âÂ
For her part, Cynthia was fighting valiantly against the sudden tightness in her throat; she could not, would not let herself cry in front of Roger Hamley of all people. âI am only too aware I never did deserve you, but God knows I never wished to hurt you.âÂ
It was Rogerâs turn to shake his head now. âWeâre both happier for it, I think, and for my part I am deeply grateful that you confronted me with the truth of it when I was still too foolish to accept it. Molly is everything to me, only I was too blind to see her worth until it was nearly too late.âÂ
It was the warm praise of her beloved sister that made Cynthia relax into a smile, almost in spite of herself. âI have never loved anyone as dearly as I love Molly, not even Mr Henderson â though he does not begrudge me my affection for my sister, Iâm sure. I am only too glad she has found someone who loves her as well as she deserves.âÂ
âHeaven knows I shall try my hardest,â Roger promised with unusual solemnity, though the effect was quite ruined as he leaned over the cot to tuck that horrid blanket back in place. Cynthia made a mental note to purchase a prettier one to replace it as soon as she was back in London, and slipped out of the room with a much lighter heart than when she had entered it.Â
#Wives and Daughters#Cynthia Kirkpatrick#Roger Hamley#background Molly/Roger and Cynthia/Mr Henderson#aromantic character#asexual character#self-worth issues#past relationship#moving on#lovers to friends#I wrote a thing#(title is from King by Florence + the Machine)#I bless the rains down in Africa (series)
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I'm a man written by a woman... Not in a romantic Roger Hamley way, but more in a fucked up Edward Rochester way
I'm a man written by a woman... Not in a romantic Mr. Darcy way, but more in a fucked up Victor Frankenstein way
#elizabeth gaskell#charlotte brontÍ#rochester#roger hamley#honestly though Victor F. is the biggest drama queen#I don't know who can match him
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It was several years before I read any Lord Peter Wimsey novels that I watched Wives and Daughters (1999), and Lord Cumnor is a very minor character, so it isn't strange that I wouldn't make the connection then, but boy isn't Ian Carmichael an enchantingly perfect casting for the role.
#I dread the day I might grow as disenchanted with that adaptation as I grew with P&P 95#Surely there's a chance I might not#and it's not like I cannot tell some choices weren't perfect#like the ending or the appearance of Roger Hamley#but it is for the most part such an excellent piece of media AND adaptation
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i think becky shouldve tried harder with dobbin he could have been another male sub chained up in her basement like many before him but sadly he was too busy falling in love with minors. i dont like him by the way. youll never make me like a guy thats meant to be sweet and kind but is only acting nice bc the girl he likes is an easy target
#this is also abt roger hamley. those who know#same kind of guy#ohhh youre so nice! what a harmless love interest! tHAT IS A TEENAGE GIRL. STEP AWAY. she wants a friend not a husband
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Hi! Iâd love some recs from your favorite obscure books! Do you have any you think would suit me? đ
Sticking with the Gaskell vibe, here are some books within that genre of domestic classics.
-A Bachelor's Comedy by J.E. Buckrose is an episodic comedy involving lots of silly little events and characters in an English country village, a bit like Cranford without the deaths (and from the point-of-view of a newly-ordained clergyman on his first assignment).
-If I can get one other person to read Una Silberrad, I will die happy. Like Gaskell, she excels with layered characters, and includes some deeper themes beneath her romance plots. Desire has a recently-released ebook edition on hoopla, and has her deepest themes and characters (including my favorite love interest, an introverted and kind novelist turned pottery-business-owner who has some Roger Hamley vibes). The Good Comrade is her best-known work (the only one on Gutenberg), about a penniless upper-class girl who goes to work in the Netherlands and gets up to money-making shenanigans--a lighter and brighter story. Curayl is only available as a Google Books pdf, and there's a lot that I don't like about it, but the stuff I do like I love, so I need someone else to read this book.
-Helen by Maria Edgeworth was a direct inspiration for Wives and Daughters. Edgeworth is much more upper-class and conservative than Gaskell, and much less adept at weaving in messages naturally, but the characters are fun, and it's fascinating to see a different take on this plotline.
-Beau Brown by Nina Clare is a Regency romance, but it's more concerned about historical accuracy than most books in this genre are. The way the servants are treated as actual people feels very Gaskell.
I'll throw in an extra book with a kdrama vibe.
-I don't remember much about Lady of Dreams by W.R. Gingell, but it was meant to be a fantasy take on kdrama tropes, so it might be worth checking out.
#lady of dreams by gingell not to be confused with 'the lady of dreams' by una silberrad#which has great characters and a subplot where the heroine basically goes to cranford#but the ending is terrible so i can't recommend it#much as i'd like to have someone else know what i'm talking about#books#answered asks
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Talk about the novel you're reading as if it's fanfiction
I'll go first:
Wives and Daughters by Elizabeth Gaskell
Length: 190k words
Completion Status: Abandoned, but dont let that stop you from reading this fic. Sadly, the author passed away before she could write the last chapter. She told her beta reader her plans for it and he wrote an ending, but everyone agrees it doesn't have the same flavor as the original. There was a fan film made a few years back and I love their ending, even if it is a bit OOC.
Main pairing: Molly Gibson/Roger Hamley (slow burn, friends to oh-crap-hes-in-love-with-my-sister to lovers)
(Note: the author claims she didn't write rpf, but Roger Hamley is suspiciously similar to Charles Darwin.)
Other pairings: Cynthia Kirkpatrick/Roger Hamley, Cynthia Kirkpatrick/Mr. Henderson, Cynthia Kirkpatrick/Robert Preston, Mr. Gibson/Hyacinth Kirkpatrick, Mr. Gibson/cheese, Hyacinth Kirkpatrick/Robert Preston (one-sided), Osborn Hamley/Aimee, Squire Hamley/Mrs. Hamley
Warnings: major character death, serious illnesses, mentions of 19th century medicine, underage (not the main pairing), mentions of grooming, see also: Robert Preston is his own warning (but the fic doesn't condone his actions), child neglect, financial abuse, 19th century purity culture
A few people have done podfics. My favorite version is read by Prunella Scales but it's behind a paywall (Audible). You can find free podfics on LibriVox.
There is also a fan film which I would highly recommend.
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which austen character is most likely to be a neurologist? and which one is least likely?
also mr wickham fits neither category because he does make an effort towards being a neurologist for like half a semester and then drops out of college
I have no idea. No one in Austen's novels is either a physician or even interested in the natural sciences. "Nursing" doesn't count because what that means is taking care of a sick person at home and it was expected for all women to do that.
Mr. Gibson from Elizabeth Gaskell's Wives & Daughters might be a neurosurgeon or neurologist in the modern day (he's a country surgeon) and Roger Hamley might be neuroscientist, though I suspect he'd be into entomology (study of insects).
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Wives and Daughters by Elizabeth Gaskell. 1864-1866. The authorâs final novel is a domestic tale that focuses on two young women, Molly Gibson and Cynthia Kirkpatrick who became sisters through the marriage of Mollyâs widower father, Mr. Gibson and Cynthiaâs widowed mother, Clare Kirkpatrick. Their differences quickly become evident: the ingenuous and loyal Molly and the beautiful and artful Cynthia. Mr. Gibsonâs medical duties provide a social connection between his family and the upper class families, the Hamleys and the Cumnors. The plot is too involved to go into specifics, but story speaks to the importance of class, the maintenance of social propriety and reputation, and marriage in early 19th century England. I felt that the narrative drive was slow in first half of the book, but the second half gains great momentum, so donât give up! The story is generally serious, but the shallow, self-centered Mrs. Gibson is comical, and there are a few laugh out loud moments with Lord and Countess Cumnor. Molly Gibson and Mr. Gibson are so good, and the intrepid Lady Harriet is delightful. Elizabeth Gaskell treats the upper class fairly, showing both their snobbery and how they can adapt to circumstances for good. I so admire Elizabeth Gaskellâs wisdom and compassion. She died suddenly before finishing the novel, but I think we can safely predict how the story would have concluded. I recommend Wives and Daughters.
P.S. I see that Rosamund Pike was cast as Lady Harriet in the 1999 television series. I havenât seen it, but I imagine she would be good in the role.
Memorable quotes:
âBut sometimes one likes foolish people for their folly, better than wise people for their wisdom.âďżź
Plot synopsis:
Cynthia becomes engaged to Roger Hamley who goes to Africa on a scientific expedition
In Cynthiaâs past she had taken money from Mr. Preston and she promised to marry him in return. She gets out of with Mollyâs help, but busybodies misinterpreted as an illicit affair between Molly & Preston by townspeople who spread gossip.
Lady Harriet gets to the bottom of it in a memorable scene with Preston. Eventually Molly is vindicated.
Cynthia spends time with Mrs. Gibsonâs brother in London where she flirts with Mr. Henderson.
When confronted Cynthia is indignant and decides to break off her engagement to Roger. She eventually becomes engaged to Henderson.
Suddenly Osborne dies. Molly and her father help Squire Hamley to cope and inform him that Osborne was married to a French Catholic who was a servant and has a son. The wife, Aimee and son appear at Hamley Hall, and Molly and Mr. Gibson help them adjust to their new surroundings. Initially the Squire wanted to keep the child and send Aimee back to France. Later the boy suffered a health scare and the Squire and Aimee bonded over the experience. He later gave her and the boy a cottage to live in near the Hall.
Roger returns to England, and he becomes attracted to Molly. She hesitates thinking it would be improper after his recent rejection by Cynthia. He must return to Africa so their courting is put on hold. He cannot meet Molly because of his exposure to the sick boy, but he stops by the Gibsonâs house, and he and Molly see one another from a distance and know that they will see each other one day.
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the thing about Thornton vs. Roger is that John Thornton would be your debate class rival that youâd enjoy intellectually sparring with and not being sure for several weeks whether he considers you a friend or not, and Roger Hamley is your lab partner that you click with almost right away and with whom you trade notes and snacks during breaks, and which one is âbetterâ as a literary crush entirely depends on which of those things youâd be more into
#personally. Roger#but everyone is different so I canât judge#unless youâre specifically a [redacted] stan then Iâm judging :) <3#elly's posts#elizabeth gaskell#john thornton#roger hamley
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Wives and Daughters - BBC One - November 28, 1999 - December 19, 1999
Drama (4 episodes)
Running Time: 301 minutes total
Stars:
Justine Waddell as Molly Gibson
Bill Paterson as Dr. Gibson
Francesca Annis as Mrs Kirkpatrick/ Mrs Gibson
Keeley Hawes as Cynthia Kirkpatrick
Iain Glen as Mr. Preston
Richard Coyle as Mr. Coxe
Anthony Howell as Roger Hamley
Tom Hollander as Osborne Hamley
Michael Gambon as Squire Hamley
Penelope Wilton as Mrs. Hamley
Rosamund Pike as Lady Harriet Cumnor
Deborah Findlay as Miss Phoebe
Barbara Flynn as Miss Browning
Barbara Leigh-Hunt as Lady Cumnor
Ian Carmichael as Lord Cumnor
Tonia Chauvet as Aimee
Elizabeth Spriggs as Mrs. Goodenough
Peter Copley as Robinson
Shaughan Seymour as Lord Hollingford
Fred Pearson as Sheepshanks
Jemima Rooper as Lizzie Goodenough
Georgie Glen as Miss Hornblower
Dariel Pertwee as Lady Cuxhaven
Richard Dempsey as Mr. Bold
Anna Maguire as Young Molly
Finty Williams as Miss Danby
Andrew Havill as Sir Charles Morton
Michael Bryant as Dr. Nichols
Dilys Hamlett as the Duchess
Sheridan Smith as the Housemaid
Neil Kemp as the Footman
#Wives and Daughters#TV#Drama#1999#1990's#BBC One#Justine Waddell#Bill Paterson#Francesca Annis#Keeley Hawes
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You all can fight me on this, but Roger Hamley is up there in the top tier fictional men category with the likes of Gilbert Blythe, Fredrick Wentworth, George Knightley et al.
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Now That Your Rose Is in Bloom
âAre you unwell, dearest?â he ventured once the time came to retire for the night. Molly had been staring unseeing at her own reflection in the mirror for quite some time, only half of the pins removed from her hair, which now tumbled down on one side of her face.Â
A Wives and Daughters ficlet. Roger/Molly.Â
Roger had been away for a fortnight on a series of lectures across some of the most prominent scientific institutions in the country; as much as he enjoyed his lifeâs work, he was impatient to be reunited with his wife of six months, and eagerly anticipated sharing with her everything he had seen and heard from his esteemed colleagues in the same field of research. Â
Much to his surprise, he found Molly nowhere near as elated to see him as he was of her; oh, she had dutifully greeted him upon his arrival, but knowing her as well as he did, he could tell she was distracted, as if preoccupied with more pressing matters than her loving husband who had been counting the days â nay, the hours â that separated him from her. Â
âAre you unwell, dearest?â he ventured once the time came to retire for the night. Molly had been staring unseeing at her own reflection in the mirror for quite some time, only half of the pins removed from her hair, which now tumbled down on one side of her face.Â
âIâm quite well,â she replied at length, her fingers nervously reaching for the rose-shaped pendant adorning her neck â a gift he had had made especially for her on the occasion of their wedding. âA little tired, perhaps.âÂ
Ever the gentleman, Roger did his best to conceal his disappointment; he knew better than to presume any such thing, and yet, it would be a lie to say he had not been hoping â but it was no matter, and he would gladly let his wife sleep undisturbed if that was what she desired. Still, as he observed her more closely, he could not help but notice the telltale signs of her growing agitation underneath her apparently calm and collected demeanour. Â
âHas something happened to vex you in my absence, Molly, dear?â he enquired as gently as he could, reaching for her shoulder in what was meant as a comforting gesture. His wife, however, seemed to shrink away from his touch; she sprang to her feet instead, and began pacing the room as if seeking to dissipate some nervous energy she had been keeping a tight lid on until that very moment. Â
âNothing has vexed me, Roger,â she snapped, looking more vexed than he had ever seen her in all the years he had known her. âI wish everyone would stop asking.âÂ
Torn between his very natural concern for his wifeâs wellbeing and his firm resolve to always be respectful of her wishes and inclinations, Roger barely even noticed the stab of hurt at this new shortness of manner towards him. âPerhaps it would be best if I were to remove myself to a different chamber, at least for tonight,â he offered when the terse silence stretched on uncomfortably between them. âI wonât have your rest intruded upon on my account.âÂ
For the second time that evening, Molly thoroughly confounded him by bursting into sudden tears, great choking sobs shaking her slender frame like reeds in the wind. In a moment he was at her side, gathering her protectively in his arms like he remembered doing all those years prior. âOh, do not cry, dearest,â he pleaded, his lips pressing repeatedly upon her brow in his earnest desire to replace the source of her unhappiness with the comforting warmth of his affections. âI so wish you would confide in me, even if it is only to tell me I am the cause of your distress.âÂ
âYouâre not, of course youâre not,â she fairly shouted at him, her fingers closing even tighter into the front of his waistcoat. âHow could you ever think that?âÂ
It dawned upon him at last that she was not so much miserable as she was afraid â afraid of some great change, the same as she had once been upon finding out about her fatherâs impending marriage. âAnything you require of me, you only need name it,â he stated simply, the tenderness he felt for her a living thing burning slow and steady inside his ribcage. Â
By and by, her tears began to subside, though she kept her face hidden in his chest. âI never knew my mother,â she confessed at last, though barely above her breath. âI was too young when she died to remember anything about her, and Mamma â oh, you have met her, Roger, you know how she is. And I cannot ask Cynthia, for Mamma assures me she doesnât know the first thing about it, either.âÂ
If Roger was momentarily taken aback by this sudden turn in his wifeâs thoughts, he was careful not to let it show. âIâm afraid I did not know your mother very well, but Father assures me she was the kindest of all women, and that you take much after her.âÂ
âI donât, I donât,â Molly shook her head, quite inadvertently frustrating her husbandâs attempts at drying her cheeks. âFor AimĂŠe tells me it is the most natural thing in the world, yet I havenât the faintest idea how one is supposed to go about it.âÂ
Roger went very still, his heart beating fast and loud in his ears all at once. âMolly,â he tried after several failed attempts to gain sufficient command of his voice. âAre you â are we â?âÂ
âOh, I have made a mess of it already,â Molly lamented, covering her face in her hands. âI am so sorry, I truly am.âÂ
âQuite the opposite, my dear,â he laughed heartily, resisting the sudden urge to pick her up and spin her about the room. âYou have made me happier than I thought I could ever be.âÂ
They stood like that for some time, lost in the comfort of their mutual embrace, until his hand began its slow journey to the soft swell of her stomach almost of its own accord. âYou cannot feel it,â Molly laughed amid her tears. âIt is much too early yet.âÂ
âDoes your father know?â he asked, his thumb tracing small circles over the fabric of her dress. Â
âI wanted to tell him, but I could not do it by letter.âÂ
âWe will tell him together, next time weâre in Hollingford. And Father, too â I know he will be beside himself with joy at the prospect of a new grandchild.âÂ
Roger could almost picture it, a little Osborne of his own â or it might be a girl, of course, with Mollyâs bright eyes and lively curiosity for every creature great and small. He kissed his wife very tenderly on the lips and began on the task of taking down the rest of her hairpins, so that they might in time retire to the bed â where he longed for nothing better than to hold her safely in his arms until they both fell asleep.Â
#Wives and Daughters#Roger Hamley#Molly Gibson#Molly/Roger#post-canon#married life#domestic fluff#short and sweet#I wrote a thing#I bless the rains down in Africa (series)
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