#rivough peeps

[randomnameless]

about your rivough post... its possible that the rivough chief had beef with granbell and not darna itself. if we take the narrator's bias towards granbell/agustria/lenster as them being from one of those nations (i subscribe to the theory that the narrator is finn, because i find it thematically appropriate, even if there is no evidence), those three nations seem to have kind of monopolized the crusader's cult (cont)

(notice how they all talk big about their crusader lineage making all their actions justified, but places like thracia and isaach are considered barbaric despite being founded by crusaders too). for rivough to attack darna could be seen as attacking a symbol of that view (kinda like a terrorist attack?). of course that doesnt make the action any better             

i was going to answer this weekend but i had to go to Versailles and fuck this city so i need some rivough thoughts to function again

The narrator being pretty “Leonster and pals” oriented either means that Finn wrote it, or Dorias’ ghost did it.

More seriously, I think Silesse is mentionned by the narrator as the land of crusader Sety (iirc?) and Silesse isn’t painted as a savage land ruled by barbarians. OTOH, Miletos had no crusaders but they’re eons away from Verdane.

We don’t see a lot of Isaachians talking about Odo (Saint Odo?) but again, we don’t meet a lot of Isaachians bar the “i’m so glad you saved us thks!”. Maybe Galzus’ dad was more pissed then Mananan at the second rate treatment the descendants of Crusader Odo had from the various “civilised” persons, but why would Mananan destroy Rivough then? Because they started a “war” that, even if they agreed with it, couldn’t afford? As in “we’re pissed to be called savages we had a crusader for naga’s sake” but Mananan knew that if he were to fight against Granvalle he’d lose no matter what, so he accepted to be called a barbarian to prevent a war?

(that thinking wouldn’t have saved them, the civilised nations showed that they couldn’t give a fig about barbarians, so if you accept to be called a barbarian you are going to be “civilised” by conquest sooner or later)

We don’t have a clue, and, most likely won’t in any upcoming remake :’(

Still, the fact that the Rivough royals are also major odos, unlike Holyn, made me see this in another light - maybe Rivough chief went to Darna to have some sort of authority to face Mananan and say that his clan/son should be the next King of Isaach because he has the brand in some “i’m holier than you” bullshit, but the head priest of Darna (who’s actually from Velthomer so totally biased against savages) told Rivough Chief that no, since his son’s brand came from a woman he was never going to inherit Isaach’s throne (and it’s totally different in Velthomer’s case because Vala might have been a woman, the gods made it sure that her heirs who had the brand were men like Viccy and Arvis), or he was no crusader to begin with, or worse, that his brand and Ayra’s sister’s brand were fake/unnatural or something like that.

Pissed, he attacked them, and the rest is history.

I’m sure there must be a link between the attack on Darna and the fact that Rivough managed to secure a major blooded carrier from Mananan’s eldest child.

Maybe Rivough’s Chief wanted to sit on Mananan’s throne, or to secure the Balmung for his clan, or, idk, make his own independant country (maybe Rivough was the Alster of Isaach ?) but the oracles of Darna told him to fig off so he went bananas.

Or maybe Rivough Chief wanted to attack Granvalle after, maybe, Reptor’s comments on savages and decided to start with Darna ; Mananan couldn’t tell him to stop the Balmung did it (and Mananan killed his daughter or, as evey mother does, she died in childbirth).

I’d like to see Ayra talk about this (her sister) in some remake, or some kind of other material - since it’s pretty sure now that Galzus will never talk about his family.

or better, a comment between Reptor and Ayra during a potential battle convo where he calls her and her dad fools who fell for his trap - he insulted the rivoughs on purpose knowing they were going to degenerate and Mananan would have to get rid of one of his own Balmung candidates

kill that, maybe a Veld like, but not Reptor.

[randomnameless]

Since Leif’s major blooded sister is going to be released, time for some musings about some chapters in Project Exile

I guess i sort of understand some reactions that appeared when Project Naga gave us a new FE4 translation, there were things i have taken for granted in the FireLizard script that aren’t here anymore

but after a brief reading i’m finding some odd things that aren’t tied to a specific choice made by the new team (i understand the honorifics and titles used to call Eyvel and Leif were changed to show more familiarity between people who lived together as a mother and child)

In Chapter 5

When Raydrick panicks because Eyvel killed Mareeta and is out for his blood next, in the old translation he asked “someone to do something quick” underlining his own incompetence because the someone who is supposed to give orders to the randoms is, well, Raydrick himself!

In the new translation he orders people “his garrison” to kill Eyvel and it makes him a “little” more competent.

Earlier, when he explains what he did to Mareeta, Eyvel accuses him of wanting him to turn Mareeta into, in the old translation, “a crazed killer” but in the new one he wants to turn her into a “pitfighter” - is it supposed to mean that all pitfighters are completely crazy or that Mareeta is acting like a normal, sane, pitfighter?

But that’s not really important.

In Chapter 6 

August calling Ethlyn a “just maiden” instead of lumping her with Quan in the “tragic hero” label feels a bit strange, Ethlyn was no maiden since she had two children, and why is being “just” the adjective attached to Ethlyn? Is it just as in righteous or something else? We have “loyal Quan” - Loyal because he went to help Siggy, but Etlyn being “just”?

more important though

(is it readable?)

anyways it’s the tidbit of infodump Raydrick gives us on the Rivough situation (what did you expect^^)

in the old translation, Raydrick says that the Kingdom of Rivough was “demolished” - something that is missing in the new translated line, but adding that Galzus is “technically the prince of Rivough” with the death of his kin is kind of misleading

Why adding technically? or is it because Rivough is not a state/duchy/whatever so it can’t have any royalty ? (think of FE4!Finn, he would never call Miranda the Princess of Alster given how Leonster was the only stronghold in northern Thracia/Manster District, you don’t call the daughter of a random mayor who happens to have a castle a princess, do you?)

oh and

was it in OG script or not (google translate told me it wasn’t) but

FireLizard’s Raydrick never said that Rivough betrayed Isaach, we know it from FE4 (rather, Ayra tells us) - and the adding of “home kingdom of Isaach” feels like a unecessary addition. Did JP Raydrick infodump on us about Mananan’s name?

Thing is, I understand most people forgot about Rivough while playing FE5, it’s in a misseable convo between Ayra and Quan and it’s Danan’s castle in the second gen - but info dumping - by Raydrick - that the Rivough betrayed the Kingdom? How could Raydrick be aware that Rivough attacked Darna and it wasn’t something endorsed by King Mananan himself?

If Raydrick knows, then who else? Was Kurth himself aware of it? Or has it become widespread during Arvis’ reign?

And, finally, in the old version, Raydrick says (the most reliable narrator ever) that the Kingdom/whatever of Rivough had been invaded and destroyed.

In the newest translation, only the royal family died. 

So has Mananan killed his daughter and son-in-law and, idk, any siblings Galzus might have had, handwaved to the Rivough randoms with the head of their leader in a bag and rode to meet Reptor?

Or has he lead his army to destroy the kingdom/clan/whatever Rivough was, captured/pillaged randoms (or worse?) and rode to meet Reptor with his son-in-law’s head in a bag?

Why is it important? 

Rivough is the little grain of salt that prevents Isaach from being the land of “good barbarians who have no dirt on them” and, also, Rivough’s story being in FE5 goes with the general trend of the game, showing the greyest tones of Jugdral’s various states.

So no, not everyone and their cats wanted to see House Leonster assume the only, and defacto leading role in the Northern peninsula, and no, Isaach isn’t a safeheaven where barbarians live in harmony, even Isaach has its own share of dirt.

Again, why does it matter? Because it shows that humans can do shit regardless of Loptyr or Naga’s influence. Also, because more grey to Isaach.

[randomnameless]

somewhat related to your Milf Rhea post but I kinda hate how most FE characters just get reduced to their appearance?? I talked with someone who said Rhea is their fave character and it feels isolating that they relate to her in an entirely different way than the majority of the fandom. I personally like Erin a lot but new players will only know her for her thighs in a spin off game. Finding characters attractive is fine, but it's not what ultimately defines them and I wish it was easier to talk about X character without someone going "yeah I hate them but I'd totally bang" like,, that's not important right now..?

Are you talking about the horny redshiter?

I mean yeah, sometimes it's a bit lonely to be a fan of a character for a specific trait when all others fans of say character ignore it.

It's even sadder when people only like that character because of their, uh, physical appearance but well, I guess people are allowed to like whatever they want about their character, and maybe you could find some common ground to share?

I still think (maybe because of the old translation patch) Saias is a dastard and loathes everyone save for the twins and maybe the Rivough peeps, so seeing all those new fans of shoujo!Saias from FeH is a bit... strange, but why not?

Like, maybe someone really likes Erin because of her thighs in FeH, but there's still hope they could grow to like her for other reasons too? (as soon as Jugdral echoes is released)

But I agree, the "I don't like X but I'd totally bang her/him" is just... annoying, especially on a space dedicated to fans of the characters.

You don't criticize a 8 years old first cupcake saying it was disgusting but at least the topping was nice, if you have nothing nice to say, you just don't say anything.

Weirdly enough, I didn't witness this behaviour in the FE fandom before FE16 was released. Even during the Miccy Sue days, no one bothered to say they don't like her under her fanarts or, fanfics starring her, Miccy cosplays and the likes.

[randomnameless]

You heard it from the wisest person on Jugdral :

Lex of House Dozel was a disgrace because he wanted to tag along with his Velthomer friend, was branded a traitor and died while trying to return to the motherland.

Johan/lva of House Dozel were idiots because they opposed their father’s brutal treatment of the Isaachian people and refused to enforce the child hunts in their land.

And of course, the thing we didn’t know while playing the game :

Langbalt had been the one to engineer Loptyr’s return!

Langbalt had been the one to manipulate Verdane to rebel!

Langbalt had been the one to tell Chagall that he’ll rule over the world if he killed his dad!

Langbalt had been the one to tell the Rivough peeps to sack Darna!

Langbalt had been the one to ask to the Mansterian to put outrageous prices on food export for their Thracian neighbours!

Langbalt had been the one to tell Travant to murder Quan’n’Ethlyn in Yied!

Langbalt had been the one to force Lewyn’s uncles to rebel!

i hope i didn’t forget any of Langbalt’s newly discovered achievments!

Hopefully F!Lewyn is here to share his wisdom, else I’d thought i was playing a different game !

GG F!Lewyn!