#riverdale season 5 spoilers

[autumnrory]

i figure they’ll drop it in a few eps like they have with everything else but it would be a little funny if after all the barchie vs varchie shit that they just made beronica endgame

[sexhaver]

bailey and i just finished watching season 2 of Vampire Diaries (yes i know we're late to the party) and holy shit this show walked so Riverdale could run(?). thots in no particular order (spoiler warning for a tv show from 2009):

my favorite part about the show as a whole is how injuries to plot-essential characters operate on Looney Toons logic. there are multiple rings floating around the series that straight up revive the wearer from being killed by a supernatural being. something like 5 characters have been saved from death by drinking vampire blood. the main character's brother is shot in the chest with a normal-ass handgun, dies, and is then resurrected by a witch literally five minutes later. without exaggeration, over 70% of the main cast has died and been revived at least once (not "oh wow you almost died but we saved you", they explicitly say the character is dead and then revived). when people mock the concept of "plot armor", this show is what they're making fun of.

the list of things that actually permanently kill vampires is pretty short which means they all resolve their disagreements by impaling each other nonfatally in the stomach or stabbing each other nonfatally directly in the jugular. again, like Looney Toons

the fucking Vampire Super Speed special effects are so unbelievably funny and get used multiple times per episode, like please watch this video and then slow it down im dying here

the main impetus behind the scriptwriting of season 2 seemed to be figuring out what face every actor was best at making and then writing their character into situations where they make that face. Damon does the shit-eating grin, Stefan does the mouth-slightly-agape-puppy-dog-eyes thing, Elena scream-cries about her friends, Caroline laugh-cries about her friends, Jeremy looks like a teenager in a D.A.R.E. PSA from the 90s who just found out his best friend smokes pot and is digusted/disappointed in him, Matt has a thousand-yard-stare and looks like he's always wondering what the fuck is going on (because he is)

there were multiple points during this season where i said "i fucking hate this show so much dude" and walked out of the room. the first and most dire of these was when Elijah paused dramatically before announcing "Klaus... is a vampire... born of a werewolf bloodline." like i said, this walked so Riverdale could run (or some other form of ambulation)

i love how the last death of this season, after an entire episode of multiple important characters being sacrificed on an altar, came from a small-town cop unnecessarily escalating a situation, ignoring advice from a civilian on the scene, restraining said civilian for having the audacity to offer to help, and then immediately accidentally shooting her teenage brother in the chest. literally the most realistic death on the show so far

[dorothytv10]

A love letter to Bughead shippers!

*Warning: this is very very long, so only continue reading if you have time to spare 😜

I haven’t been part of the Bughead fandom since the beginning of 2019. I watched the show in chronological order until the end of season 3, then binged season 4 during covid lockdowns, but refused to continue with season 5 onwards. But over the past few years, I have kept up with spoilers and watched s5-7 episodes sporadically. I just couldn’t take the show seriously when they had Betty cheat on Jughead, then do a random time jump and turn the show supernatural. It was jarring!

I still remember the first time I started shipping Bughead. Let’s start from the beginning:

I had seen ads for Riverdale about a week before it aired, and decided to give it a watch purely because I am such a sucker for murder mystery style shows. That was the catalyst. I also have a tendency to invest in CW shows because of how heavily they push shipping, and romance is another genre that I cannot get enough of. I remember watching the pilot episode and thinking this whole Betty & Archie storyline is just NOT compelling nor did I feel the actors and their characters had any romantic chemistry. It just felt forced and awkward, especially watching Betty get rejected. I thought she was way too good for him, and if he couldn’t see that in all the years they were friends, then he ain’t the right guy for her. But some part of me just expected them to be the main love story of the show because that’s such a predictable trope in teen dramas. So even though I didn’t feel any part of my shipping senses tingling, I decided to continue with the show for the mystery part, and accepted that the romance would just not play a factor in my interest. But boy was I wrong! The following week, I watched episode 2, and the show just felt different. Jughead was featured more heavily and finally shared the screen with Betty, even though no dialogue was exchanged. But I remember thinking to myself, “Jughead and Betty would be so cute together”. During the week after episode 2 aired, I remember their season 1 kiss from episode 8 leaked online: the one outside FP’s trailer. I saw that one scene on Twitter and was instantly a Bughead shipper. I couldn’t believe that I got my wish and Betty and Jughead were going to have a romance. Riverdale went from “a show I’ll watch when I can be bothered to a must watch show that I will not dare miss an episode of”. Episode 3 started getting promoted online a lot, and Betty and Jughead were shown to interact in the trailer; I was hooked. I couldn’t wait for the next episode! It became an obsession. I even joined tumblr and met so many amazing fellow Bughead shippers. It was such an exciting time, waiting every week for a new episode to drop to finally see them get to that ep8 kiss, which I foolishly believed was going to be their first kiss. But episode 6 threw us all a curveball and had Jughead kiss Betty and call her Juliet in the same scene. I literally had butterflies. I hadn't felt that strongly about a ship in so long!

I was a big part of the early Bughead tumblr days. We were a force to be reckoned with. Each episode, our fanbase grew bigger to the point where we were the most popular ship out of every show airing at the time.

But as much as I wanted Bughead to be endgame, there was always this part of me that worried she’d inevitably get with Archie because that was so clearly what RAS shipped in the comics. I do believe Bughead lasted as long as they did because of how big and strong their fanbase was. Also, the real life romance between Cole and Lili always played a huge role in their onscreen coupling, too. That doesn’t diminish how beautiful their love story was in the show. But unfortunately, I think it is the truth. I have seen it so many times in teen drama shows. The head writers always seem to ship the pilot episode ship: Dawson and Joey, Stefan and Elena, Lucas and Peyton etc. I’m using examples of previous teen love triangles.

As much as RAS loved Bughead, and wrote them such beautiful content, he always had one foot pedalling on B*rchie. It was inevitable that at some point they’d want to explore them, especially because they had placed little clues all throughout the first few seasons. But as long as Cole and Lili were together, the show was never going to be daring enough to go full steam ahead with B*archie. Bughead was too popular and so was the real life romance. It would have caused riots. But alas, like every CW actors who date, they broke up. And what happened? They were kept apart for the remainder of the show. It was Delena all over again :(

Whether the rumours are true about the two not being able to work together, only they truly know. But I think it’s a mix of a lot of things, including new writers who were clearly all for the other ship, or in this case, the other shit. I don’t want to insult anyone, but the Riverdale writers are some of the most incompetent writers in the industry. Their inability to maintain continuity, and all the contradictions and character assassinations they created, we had no hope in s5-7. It became a whole new show. It simply lost its spark, which was already quite dim after how they handled the cheating arc in season 4. There was a huge tonal shift, and our favourite characters acted OOC.

So here’s what I really want to say:

I officially stopped watching Riverdale when they decided to jump the gun and have Betty cheat on Jughead with Archie. If you’re a Bughead shipper, it’s completely justifiable to be disappointed and sad about the way Riverdale ended. It’s like when people talk about that one person who got away, that’s how Bughead is to us: it’s the ship that got away, and never came back. To be fair, the show was no longer what it started out as. When you start off as a teen drama show promoting thriller/mystery as your main genre, only to shift gears in later seasons and become supernatural and sci-fi, there’s really only one way to explain the show in a cohesive and logical manner: it’s either all inside one of the character’s imaginations or it’s a multiverse with totally new characters who are the doppelgänger/counterparts of the original characters we knew in the beginning. So it no longer really counts. I don’t think we will ever get any definitive answers and closure from RAS nor the cast about why Bughead was completely abandoned after they broke up on the show, but I’m going to give you my take on how I think the last episode played out. Take it as you want, but I am a budding writer myself, and from a writer’s point of view, this is my theory on what really happened to Bughead in the end…

Consider the show a multiverse at this point. Remember that line Jughead said to Betty in 4x17? “in what future are we not together?”

It’s the same episode she cheats on Jughead. My theory is that the show shifted into another universe/timeline (whatever you want to call it) to show us the versions of Betty and Jughead that don’t have a future together. By her kissing Archie, she irrevocably changes the course of her relationship with Jughead. So that’s what we are shown, a new world where Betty kisses Archie and she and Jughead split and don’t end up back together again. And what is this new world? It’s really dark!

Bughead had been referred to as Romeo & Juliet, soul mates and endgame in the earlier seasons. That’s exactly what they are. But what are Romeo and Juliet referred to? Star-crossed lovers. No matter what, they could never be together. But I’ll get back to that later on.

In my opinion, there are 3 universes shown to us in the show’s run:

1 is the prime universe and original timeline in which Bughead are together and endgame. No cheating takes place. They are still in high school and will continue to date after it and make it work. But we’ll never get to see it unfold because from the end of s4 onwards we are in the other universes.

The second universe is the one where she ends up with Archie — Rivervale or Riverdale 2, but they all die in the end when the comet wipes them out of existence 👀

And the third universe is Riverdale 3.

Seasons 1-4 are set in the prime Riverdale universe.

Then season 5-6 are set in the second universe— Rivervale/Riverdale 2. My opinion is that even after 6x05, they never really left rivervale. Bunker Jughead just wrote it differently and called it Riverdale.

Then season 7 is set in the Riverdale 3 universe.

The Rivervale universe has all the magic and supernatural elements to it, which technically began in s5 with Cheryl performing magic. Rivervale is the darkest universe and timeline of the 3. Riverdale 3 universe is the most tame and fun of all the 3 universes. It’s the one where the characters behave like actual teens and don’t have serial killer fathers, cults, gargoyle kings and evil warlocks tormenting them. Riverdale 1 universe is the most realistic and grounded of the lot, albeit some weird storylines did occur during seasons 3 and 4, but it’s the universe that has both light and dark inside it like real life. Tabitha confirmed there is a multiverse in 7x19 when she said she couldn’t untangle “all” the timelines and instead made them into a single one. But even though she gave them back their memories, these versions existing in the 50s/Riverdale 3 universe are really not the original characters. This theory is proven by how a lot of dead characters are alive in this universe and how Tabitha has another version of herself living in this one.

The one single timeline she is talking about is that she gave them all the memories from every universe so they can live their lives with the knowledge of their other selves. Especially when having to navigate the 50s. They are variants (Loki reference) of the originals who now have the same memories (not all the memories) but haven’t actually lived the same lives. That’s why none of them aged and are still teens in high school; it’s also why they no longer have super powers and magical abilities. Same memories, but different bodies and souls.

So going back to endgame talk: in Riverdale 3, the universe which all of season 7 takes place in, including the final, Betty and Jughead weren’t technically endgame, but they were treated as star-crossed, just like Romeo & Juliet. They couldn’t be together because all of their memories from every other universe/timeline they existed in were now a part of them and it was too convoluted of a situation to actually make sense of in their heads, so they just all dated one another. In this new Riverdale 3 universe, Betty has feelings for both Archie and Jughead because she has the memories of both universe 1 and universe 2 Betty inside her, so she can never really choose between them. Instead, she chooses herself.

Jughead never marries because the girl he has always loved in every universe didn’t want to get married, so he didn’t want to settle for just anyone. Archie moved on because Betty was never the love of his life in all 3 universes.

Ask yourself this, why did Betty tell Reggie that she remembered what being with Jughead felt like, and that’s why she chose to be a part of the quad? Why didn’t she feel this way about Jughead in s6 (Rivervale/Riverdale 2 universe)? Wasn’t it strange that she just seemed to forget she was ever with him? It’s because it was a different timeline/universe, one in which Betty only loves Archie. That is why Jughead has that moment in season 6 episode 14 with that flashback montage of him and Betty, it’s him remembering their relationship from universe 1, something he isn’t really aware of in the Rivervale/Riverdale 2 timeline. The reason for them not remembering is because Bunker Jughead from Rivervale has written them to forget their past together. My theory for why he did that, is after the bomb went off in 6x05, part of the deal was that bunker Jughead make Betty forget being with him completely just like she had to forget that he sacrificed himself to save the universes. He retconned their story so she could move on and he could continue writing away from her with no distractions. Rivervale’s Bunker Jughead loves Betty, as confirmed by Ethel. Which brings me to the final part of this theory…

I think bunker Jughead is the same Jughead that appears to Betty in the final episode as her guardian Angel. He’s OG Jughead and has been writing an anthology all along. There is a reason the show is so heavily focused on Betty. She is the main character in Jughead’s story! In S1-4 he is chronicling his love story with Betty, kind of like an autobiography or diary of them and how they’re an investigative duo. In S5-6 he ventures into writing sci-fi and supernatural stories. Finishing up in s7 with historical fiction.

The angel Jughead in the series finale is the writer, the narrator and the version of Jughead that Betty loved most as evidenced by what he wore. He exists in all 3 universes, like a time-traveller of sorts. He’s the writer and narrator in Universe 1, the bunker writer in universe 2 and the guardian Angel in universe 3. But he took his version out of the story these last few seasons to show the audience a future with no Bughead, and instead wrote a version of Jughead that doesn’t pine after Betty and one that had a different girlfriend. That’s why when universe 3 Betty asks him on the park bench if he regrets never getting married, he says sometimes. Because he sometimes regrets never writing the two of them getting married in this universe. But he couldn’t because his version of Jughead wasn’t the main Jughead he was writing about in this story.

In the end, his universe 3 story wasn’t about Bughead, it was about Betty and wanting to give her everything she dreamed of, even if that didn’t include him. He wrote her a world where she didn’t have a serial killer father, where her sister was still alive, where she and Veronica were best friends, where Betty could enjoy her youth and explore her sexuality without having to choose between the two boys she was always torn between. He wrote her as a writer and a successful career woman rather than an FBI agent chasing down murderers and putting herself in danger. He wrote her as adopting a daughter that wasn’t at risk of inheriting the serial killer gene. He wrote a world where she got to be a normal teen and not have to investigate homicidal maniacs all the time. She got to go to school dances, drink milk shakes at Pops and hang out with her friends. She was able to repair her damaged relationship with her mum and find peace. She was a liberated woman with a strong voice who made a difference in the world.

So why did the show end with this version of her? Because it’s a way to show Betty finding peace and strength, and also not having to choose between Jughead and Archie. It makes her more than just a girlfriend who goes back and forth between two best friends.

This whole theory is further evidenced by beanie Jughead appearing outside Pops in the final scene and then hearing his typewriter as the show fades out. This was Jughead’s story all along, and the main character was Betty. It’s always been about Betty. The reason Jughead and Betty didn’t have any romantic scene in the series finale is because this wasn’t beanie Jughead’s Betty. This was the version of Betty that ends up with no one. It’s the last version of her that Jughead wrote in his book. The version of her that’s truly happy and at peace with herself and her life. He wrote her saying goodbye to Archie because that was not her endgame. Archie was just a childhood crush that existed in a fantasy world filled with magic and unrealistic scenarios like sewing on decapitated heads and bringing people back from the dead. Rivervale universe was never real and never made sense, just like Betty and Archie never made sense. And guess what happened to Betty in universe 2? She died, just like B*rchie did in the finale 😉

The only version of her that is still alive is the original one from Universe 1 that ends up with Jughead. We didn’t need to see their endgame on screen to know it happened. Their endgame is in the subtext. Jughead always loved Betty, and his story was about her. In universe 1 they are endgame, in universe 2 they are soul mates as bunker Jughead is able to do the impossible and contact her in Riverdale from Rivervale. And in universe 3 they are Romeo and Juliet. She spent her last day on earth with him, and died the day after finding out he died. They were star-crossed and couldn’t be together. The writing is on the wall.

As much as I would have loved an I love you, a kiss or even just a conversation discussing their history in the last episode, I take comfort in knowing that the characters I fell in love with in season 1 were completely different people in season 7. And from where I stand, the only explanation is it’s one big multiverse of madness concocted by a sardonic writer who was always in love with the girl next door, and spent most of his youth writing about her only to end the story with them both forever being 17. That is the same age they were when they were together and in love. It’s the same age their iconic duet is about. They just wanted to be 17, and that’s exactly how the show ends for them. Screams endgame to me :)

Just remember, nothing lasts forever. The greatest moments in life are the ones that don’t last long but leave a lasting impression. It’s the reason why we are so enthralled when we see a shooting star. It’s something so beautiful, yet so rare, so fleeting and near impossible to see with the naked eye that we stare in sheer wonderment at a dark sky full of dead stars waiting and hoping that such a spectacle will reveal itself to us again. So don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened. And never lose hope; it’s the only voice inside of you strong enough to silence fear.

Thanks for the memories, Bughead family! Even though I haven’t been around the last few years, it’s an experience I’ll never forget, and I’ve made met people on here that I will be friends with for life ❤️❤️❤️

[deangirlspn2005]

Help Jeronica Nation!

I haven't used Tumblr in forever but having seen Riverdale spoilers on Twitter, I had to come back to ask if it's worth me dipping my toe back in to the show.

I gave up watching Riverdale at the end of season 5, given how ridiculous it was becoming, but I shipped Jughead & Veronica from day one so is it worth me catching up on the episodes I haven't watched to get to the latest Jeronica content or is this just RAS messing with everyone before the inevitable Varchie/Bughead endgame? I've been here before with Dair & don't want to get burnt again.

[alaffy]

Well, it seems like some places have already seen the Riverdale finale. They didn't give spoilers as far as I'm aware. And, to the surprise of no one, it's crap. I remember when I was writing my recap of the season 5 finale, I said that when this is all said and done no one would be happy. I was referring to Rivervale, but apparently I was more on the nose then I thought.

[bettyminicoop]

I don't watch this season at all. But I see spoilers and speculation about the final, and I also want to speculate a bit with you.

Everyone is discussing whether only Jughead will get his memories back or if all the characters will be able to get it. (I'm not going to rant here about whether "these" characters need the memories of people they are not. This can be saved for when one fall I remember how angry I was in the season 5 finale.) And if everyone gets memories, then who will return to the present, and who will remain in the 50s?

My guess is that everyone but Betty will return to the present, whatever it is. Gays - because they have no chance of being in an open relationship in the 50s and for a very, very long time. Women - because now they have more opportunities and rights than in the 50s. Although this is controversial. (Riverdale doesn't like to bring up such difficult topics anyway.) Jughead - because he will have more room for his writing and his ideas now. You know, the internet and all that. And he has a family somewhere in the present. And Saint Tabitha of course! I really don't know why Veronica would be interested in the present, other than that she can do business on an equal footing with men. Has this topic come up at least once this season? Archie. He seems to be comfortable in any decade. His father died everywhere, and everywhere he does not know what he wants to do. He may come back to the present just for company.

And only Betty has a real reason to stay in the 50s. Her father is not a serial killer. Her mom is Alice as always, but they've figured it out again and love each other (I roll my eyes, see?). Polly is alive and doing great. Her new half-sister Ethel is not a serial killer and travels happily. And only here Betty has interests besides investigations and crimes - she can write books about masturbating or she can dance striptease and sing in burlesque.

Anyway, in the finale we have 86 year old Betty in 2024. And an old friend helps her remember her high school graduation. What if he actually takes her to a real prom in the present where all the other characters are "literally just back" from the 50s? She will live a quiet life. But she will miss her friends, whom she has not seen since prom, or who have not even been to prom, because they went back to the future in advance.

However, we have spoilers that claim that there are scenes from the 70s, in which all the main and almost main characters are involved. I don't know what to do with this information.

And I can't believe I wrote all this even though I haven't watched a single episode of this cursed season.

[werewolfnick]

I think with how slow I am progressing with Supernatural, I don’t think I will be finishing it before uni starts again. I kind of half expected this (the other half expected that I would). And I think there is some potential reasons why (which I will explain now): 

1) I didn’t hyperfixate like I thought I would have. For those that have just started seeing my account because of the Supernatural posts, I am level one autistic (it is the mild form of autism, though I am still affected by it). I do hyperfixate on things for a certain period of time and it usually stops after sometime. Now, I did make a post about Supernatural basically saying ‘watch me hyperfixate on Supernatural’. Not gonna lie, I did think I would hyperfixate on the show (and I think I relied on that to potentially finish the show sooner). Now, I can’t control hyperfixations. But I was hoping that I would hyperfixate on it, but it didn’t happen. Am I going to stop the show? No. I am enjoying the show and I am truly loving Sam. I just didn’t hyperfixate on it. 

2) There has been a lot of personal things happening outside of Tumblr. Mainly with dogs and with my mum. Not gonna say too much about this but lets just say that there were issues with a dog that we were thinking of the worst case scenario (which luckily wasn’t the case) and something else with mum that heightened one of my sensory issues. 

3) After watching a few episodes at a time or during one episode, I feel like I have to take small break before continuing to process what happened. In this part, I am going to compare Supernatural to Teen Wolf (because it is the closest show I can compare it to because I have only completed so many shows). I was aware of the premise of Supernatural with Dean and Sam being hunters and there would be many creatures/legends. But, I wasn’t prepared for it to be an episodic thing. With Teen Wolf, it was a season thing. Like, there were 3 creatures max per season. What I mean about this is that there will 1-3 creatures that were the focus of that season. SPOILERS: in Teen Wolf, it was werewolves in season one with a hint of hunters, season 3A were kitsunes and the nemeton, season 3B was the Nogitsune, you get the point. Then there is Supernatural, where every episode is something different. A wendigo one episode, bloody mary another episode, the episode after about a kid who sees a spirit who tries to get her to k**l herself, etc, etc, etc. So, yeah. 

4) Because of said thing that my mum had happen that heightened my sensory issues, she has been given the week off from work and lets just say, I have to listen out when she wants to talk with me. (Nothing bad happened, it was a minor thing that happened).

5) 15 seasons. I think the number of seasons had a factor in why I didn’t hyperfixate on it. 

6) A little before I started watching Supernatural, I have this friend that I made on here June last year and we haven’t talked in a while and I am not going to lie, I think I may have fucked up somehow. And I am a little afraid to reach out to them. I don’t believe I have done anything wrong but my autistic brain jumps to these kind of conclusions before things are explained (I know everyone does this but autism heightens it for me). 

Was there more I didn’t mention. Potentially, maybe I forgot a few. If I remember, I’ll post in comments. So, yeah, Supernatural is going to be like me watching Riverdale. It’s going to take sometime.

[colemsprouseupdates]

Thank you for all you’ve done for this fandom 🫶🫶 Glad you’ve stuck your ground this whole time, not your fault people never wanted to believe you when literally everything you’ve said has come true🤣🤣

i only passed on the info i got, and the sources in some cases may have been biased no doubt

but i'm happy more reliable people have confirmed about the rewrite at the end of season 5 because so many were sure i made that up despite giving riverdale spoilers for that whole season and being right

[ao3feed-jarchie]

Riverdale But It Ends 5 Seasons Early (AKA The Passion of Archie Andrews and Jughead Jones)

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/Ac20T1E

by aeiodeehrt

When Archie, Veronica, Betty and Jughead head to Hiram Lodge’s Cabin for a romantic getaway, the foursome most come to terms with their past

Words: 1430, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English

Fandoms: Riverdale (TV 2017)

Rating: Mature

Warnings: Major Character Death, Underage

Categories: Multi

Characters: Andre (Riverdale), Veronica Lodge, Jughead Jones, Archie Andrews, Betty Cooper, Cassidy Buttock

Relationships: Archie Andrews/Veronica Lodge, Jughead Jones/Veronica Lodge, Betty Cooper/Jughead Jones, Archie Andrews/Jughead Jones, Archie Andrews/Jughead Jones/Veronica Lodge, Archie Andrews/Betty Cooper/Veronica Lodge/Jughead Jones

Additional Tags: Spoilers Riverdale Seasons 1-7, Episode: s02e14 The Hills Have Eyes, Dark Betty Cooper, Mentioned Hiram Lodge, Mentioned Kevin Keller, Mentioned Riverdale High, Romantic Getaway, Threesome, Foursome, Kissing, Hand Jobs, Pet Names, end of the universe, Sports References, Superhero Sex, Mentions FP Jones, Mentioned Hermione Lodge, Mentioned Hal Cooper, Mentioned Penelope Blossom - Freeform, Mentioned Jason Blossom, Mentioned Fred Andrews, Mentioned The Black Hood, Mentioned Chic, Mentioned Alice Cooper, Music, Football, Pop Tate's Chocklit Shoppe, Suicide Squad (2016) References

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/Ac20T1E

[xotrashratxo]

the umbrella academy ending is just dumb. (Spoilers below the cut)

I can see people excusing Clair’s existence cause we don’t know how her dad faired, but if LILA AN DIEGO DID NOT EXIST!!! HOW DO THEIR KIDS EXIST!!!

It feels lazy and that’s why I’m mad. Idk if they were rushing or something and idk how hard production is in general, but it feels like such a lazy ending to just say they erased themselves from history and it fixed everything. You spend 5-ish years creating this and then just scrap everything for the end of the show. It reminds me of Riverdale.

Also the love triangle plot. Why??? Why????? Idc that Five is actually like 70 years old. That is his BROTHER’S WIFE. I’ve never been stuck in a 7 year time loop, but I don’t think I would be so desperate as to CHEAT ON MY HUSBAND.

Now if I ever consider marrying someone, I’m gonna be like “would I ever cheat on them if I was stuck in time with a single other person for seven years?” And if the answer is yes, I am going to consider not marrying them.

I was enjoying the rest of the season! Those TWO things ruined the ending for me. I feel like such a film bro (derogatory) but it just AH.

[fashion4standusers]

First off: some in the tags have made the argument that if you consider The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles to be AA7, then Ace Attorney also fits this description. I will note that AA also lacks the explicit resetting of the universe as an in-story event, and the Great Ace Attorney characters are ancestors/parallel characters rather than literal alternate versions, but I like Ace Attorney and unless there ends up being an actual AA7 that contradicts this I am willing to consider this a soft match

Also my friend and I debated and while several other series with time travel universe reboots have been named, it’s not a true match unless it happens between the 6th and 7th installments

I put this in both comments AND tags but i'm gonna put it here to minimize the notes I get about it: the og version of the post had a typo but i meant "a new universe" instead of "the new universe" in order to distinguish between the Ireneverse and the SBRverse

Finally: Combining my Masters degree in JoJo and my tangential knowledge of Riverdale (I watched Season 1 and absorbed information about subsequent seasons through friends, memes, and YouTubers) to create an answer key with explanations. Riverdale associates I’ve consulted the wiki for clarification but feel free to chime in and correct me/elaborate on anything. I was gonna say that this will ruin the baffling mystique of these shows for the non-viewers who read it but the things I’m telling you make just as much sense in-context as they do out of it. Also, spoilers.

1. “ an alien comes to earth just to be friends with the main cast “: JoJo (Part 4, Mikitaka is a high school student who befriends the main characters and is heavily implied but ultimately not explicitly confirmed to be an alien)

2. “ a character hires assassins to kill his daughters friends”: both (Part 5 of JoJo, the main characters are hunted by assassins sent by mafia boss Diavolo for their role in protecting his daughter Trish, who Diavolo wants dead. I need some help with the Riverdale part here, because I assumed this was about Veronica’s mob-connected dad Hiram but I can only find stuff about Veronica having him assassinated?)

3. “a main character dies in a ritualistic sacrifice”: Riverdale (it looks like several characters willingly allowed themselves to be sacrificed but they came back?)

4. “ there is a drug called jingle jangle “: Riverdale (self explanatory. i actually watched long enough to reach the beginning of this plot. I remember it was like heroin but in Pixi Stick form)

5. “ there is an invisible baby”: JoJo (Shizuka from Part 4 is a baby with invisibility powers)

6. “ a house burns down while the characters are on the porch because they are too focused on gambling “: JoJo (also Part 4. Main character Josuke convinces Mikitaka to shapeshift into a set of dice so he can challenge rich artist Rohan to gamble with him and swindle Rohan out of his money by having Mikitaka rig the game. It works and Rohan’s house starts burning down while they gamble on the porch, and Rohan doesn’t care because his resentment towards Josuke and desire to beat him is more important)

7. “ a character is sent to prison for a crime they didn’t commit “: both (Jolyne Cujoh is framed for vehicular manslaughter by Enrico Pucci in Part 6, and Archie is framed for murder by Hiram Lodge.)

8. “ there is an organ harvesting cult “: Riverdale (I don’t know how to elaborate upon this other than to point out that the cult leader eventually puts on a star-spangled jumpsuit and tries to shoot himself out of a cannon)

9. “ there is an underground prison boxing ring “: Riverdale (presumably when Archie goes to prison. I would like to point out that JoJo Part 6 has an arc about like a spontaneous prison fight club scenario but there’s no betting or audience they just have a giant battle royale and one guy can control meteors.)

10. “ a girl kidnaps her crush and imprisons him in her house “: JoJo (jesus Part 4 again. Yukako kidnaps Koichi, Koichi fights his way out)

11. “ the task of apprehending a serial killer is left to a group of teenagers “: both (Part 4 yet again, main plotline surrounds Josuke and his allies tracking down and killing Yoshikage Kira. Riverdale has a fuckton of serial killer plotlines.)

12. “ teenagers are caught up in drug trafficking “: both (the aforementioned Jingle Jangle in Riverdale and the plot of JoJo Part 5, where a teen joins the mafia because he wants the mafia to stop selling drugs to kids. And then his alternate universe counterpart in Part 9 is a high school drug dealer. good times)

13. “there is a high stakes game of catch in the prison yard”: JoJo (Jolyne, Ermes and FF in Part 6 are challenged by fellow inmate Miraschon to successfully catch a baseball 100 times in a row and if they fail she steals their organs and oh my god there was an organ harvesting plotline in JoJo too)

15. “ a character has a vision of babies being thrown into a fire “: Riverdale (the organ cult throws Betty’s sisters twin babies into a fire but the babies just like. float in the air instead.)

14.  “ there is a bear attack “: Riverdale (Archie fights a bear and wins. I think he broke out of prison and was in the woods. Also this should be both, i forgot there was also a bear attack in Part 7)

16. “ dance is used to torture a man for information “: JoJo (shockingly not both. anyways Part 5 mafia teens have a man held captive and they need information from him, and after a spontaneous synchronized dance number he snitches. less to do with the dance itself and more about how his severed but still living head was hanging from a fish hook and his eyes were being burned by the sun)

17. “ a teenager gains control of the mafia “: both (Giorno Giovanna takes over the Italian mafia, Veronica Lodge takes over the Riverdale mafia)

18. “ a character fakes their death”: both (unsurprising, and I’m sure there are multiple examples in each series that I’m not thinking of atm but the ones I’ll name are Joseph in Part 2 [accidentally]/ Avdol in Part 3, and Betty’s dad Hal after he got arrested for being a serial killer)

19. “ an unethical doctor keeps a human pet “: JoJo (again shockingly not both. Cioccolata from Part 5 is a serial killer doctor and Secco is his pet freak)

20. “a character switches bodies with a turtle”: JoJo (Part 5, there’s a turtle named Coco Jumbo who has a little room in its shell that the main characters can go into, technically Polnareff’s physical body dies but his spirit enters the turtle room instead of ascending to the afterlife so he gets exist in there as a ghost and also control the turtle’s body and communicate with people.)

21. “ a main character has a secret brother that turns out to be a murderer “: Riverdale (ok i call bs on this one. The Riverdale part is about how Betty finds out about her secret older brother, but then he ends up being some guy who stole her actual brother’s identity. and then she finds her actual brother and he’s a serial killer. But in JoJo Part 6 Enrico Pucci is revealed to be Weather Report’s long lost twin brother and Pucci has most definitely killed people. And if you wanna bring the novel Purple Haze Feedback into this, you can also count Tonio’s evil mafia brother Massimo. So this should be both.)

22. “ a character keeps their rotting brothers corpse in a basement “: Riverdale (Cheryl takes care of her murdered brother Jason’s corpse)

Anyway, if I had a nickel for every time a series had six installments that gradually escalated in ridiculousness, only for the sixth installment to end with a universe reboot and the seventh installment to pick up in the new universe where alternate versions of the original characters now exist in the distant past, I'd have two nickels.

One of those series is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. The other is Riverdale

[raymondebidochonlifechoices]

So, am I to understand that The Pussycats concert at The Wyrm did not save Riverdale after all??

[crazymisscarly]

PSA: Re-reading your own Bughead fanfics is self care. Don’t give up hope, guys. Bughead is Endgame, it’s just a mess getting there.

Because the idea of posting this gave me joy, I’m doing it. Here’s an excerpt from Fangs and Kevin’s wedding in Our Story’s Not Over:

Fangs and Kevin’s wedding was… theatrical.

It was early in the Springtime, and the wedding took place in Picken’s Park. They’d covered the blooming trees in so many fairy lights that Jughead felt like he was walking through the set of A Midsummer Night’s Dream. Kevin sang “A Thousand Years” to Fangs, and Fangs organised for Kevin’s students to perform a cutesy love song as a united choir that brought tears to the man’s eyes.

It was beautiful as far as weddings went, and Jordan seemed fascinated by all the fanfare. Several people from high school came up to fawn over the toddler, and Jordan was in a particularly smiley mood that melted the hearts of those around them.

Even Veronica, who’d attended with her new husband Chad, marvelled at how cute Jordan was in his little suit.

“He looks just like you.” Veronica said in awe. “Seriously. It’s like I’m looking at a tiny Jughead Jones. Look at those little cheeks.”

“Makes you start thinking about having your own, right?” Chad said, giving Veronica a pointed look.

Veronica’s expression tightened, and she dismissed his statement with a wave of her hand. “If it’s barefoot and pregnant you want, darling, I’m afraid you married the wrong woman.”

Jughead found himself gravitating towards Betty for most of the night. “You look beautiful.” He told her honestly.

And she did. Standing beneath one of the fairy-light covered trees, she was awash in a golden glow that complimented her blonde curls. Her short, deep green dress was encrusted with tiny gems that caught the light and made her glimmer. She was ethereal, gorgeous, and she smiled at him shyly.

“You clean up pretty well yourself, Jug.” She said, and then turned her gaze on Jordan. “As does this handsome little man.”

Jughead smiled. “He’s been getting plenty of attention tonight, that’s for sure.”

“Makes sense.” Betty laughed. “Speaking of attention… don’t make it obvious, but look to your right.”

Jughead did so, and noticed that Veronica was standing several yards away from her husband, talking animatedly to… Archie Andrews.

Jughead raised his eyebrows. “Typical.”

“Oh relax.” Betty laughed. “She’s married. He can try all he wants but he’s not getting through those gates.”

Jughead tilted his head. “I dunno, Betts… she just laughed and brushed her hand over his collar - ooh, look, she tugged on his tie.”

“No way.” Betty gasped, and took a step closer to Jughead so she could peer over his shoulder. “That’s flirting in any language.” She paused as they both watched Veronica bat her eyelids and hold her wineglass up to her lips. “What is she doing? Her husband is right there.”

[likemereckless]

Did you watch the musical? What did you think? Also, how is your writing going? I love your stories more than anything!

Hey there lovely anon,

I did watch actually, mostly to see the performances by Lili and Mädchen. I really enjoyed the musical, honestly. Lili’s voice was beautiful and I think it was nice to see a mostly focused storyline around a large issue. We complain a lot that things get glossed over so it was nice to see the way their grief unfolded. Nit everyone sings like Broadway of course, but I like that. Makes it a bit real for me and I didn’t mind.

I could have, obviously, done without Jabitha. I love Tabitha actually, and I’m so glad they added her character, but I still believe Bughead is endgame. The way Kevin looked when they touched, the way Jughead looked at Betty while tabitha looked at him during the funeral. I think it’s being set up where in the end Tabitha knows he still always going to love Betty. I think Jug truly does like Tabitha, but as we’ve seen his heart is always going to go back to Betty. I do hope we find a solid, strong, storyline for Tabitha also next season,m. She helped Betty and Jug a lot here but I want to see something for her (especially if Pop’s is no more).

And Betty and Archie? Archie is always going to be looking for what else. He can’t help it. I have posted numerous times that I thought Veronica and Archie wouldn’t work because she was too ambitious for Riverdale and I wasn’t surprised by what unfolded last night and I don’t disagree with it. He didn’t even seem surprised or truly that upset. Betty is still in a bad place. Her career is up in the air, her family is in ruins, she’s suffering from PTSD, and Archie is familiar. She will try to seek comfort there but we know ultimately, it won’t work, even if she tries to be the perfect Riverdale girl for her mother right now- it’s just not her.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. I’m sure people will disagree and they have a right to. As for my writing, I’m sorry- I haven’t started the next chapter of Assault & Buttery because I’m working on a Halloween one-shot. It’s a spooky, suspenseful tale involving the whole gang (mostly) that takes place in Ireland and I’m SO excited about it!

Hearing you love my stories makes my day! Take care anon!

[iminaworldofpureimagination]

I loveed bojack horseman characters being awful has never been a turn off for me unless they are condecnding smug but alot of velmas dialouge just feels FAKE.. who talks like her??? people in hollywood??? i cant connect to someone who feels like a Bot / is just cruel to everyone learns a lesson for 2 seconds only to go back to be awful.. bobo kept trying but always just failed in the end and had to pay for his horrible actions (going to prison /losing his friends) but to me that show gives off a good message on reformation

I also just liked todd my adhd king/diane/PC/ it had a good cast.

i think making velma be awful in the past and future to everyone around her was a big turn off for people to sympathize with her.. 5/12 /15 year old velma all had the same personality.. sure its a cartoon but thats so unrelasitic and not reltable at all .. my annoyance with family guy was everyone was awful to eachother/esp to meg and any lessons learned were soon erased

mystery INC well tumblr just let me down on that recommendation 23 eps in and im only watching it for Fred/ Daphne/Velma/Shaggy even Scooby dont interest me.. at this point. i find em all so boring.. /velma irrriating/ they dont even feel like friends to me.. and i was told this was the best scoob show about friendship. and had thier personalities perfect. . sure theres another season but s1 should have blown me away and it failed. daph/norville had more to do in velma than they do in MI.

when you have velma accuse shaggy of ruining the group because he loves scooby it ruins her.. they ruined velma in MI. friends dont ask you to choose your beloved pet over them esp a talking one.. and now shaggy wante her back.. cause.. this show loves stupid romance drama to much..

riverdale.. i hear is very insane.... i know some spoilers and it sounded .. insane....

i dont think you can fully judge velma until you watch riverdale and rewatch mystery incorporated. bc i promise you mystery incorporated is not as good as you remember it.

[alaffy]

Riverdale, Ep. 7x05 - Tales in a Jugular Vain (spoilers)

Like last week, I had to take a break before I wrote this. Unlike last week, it's for a good reason. I'm going to be honest, the first fifteen minutes of this episode...I thought I was going to hate it. But this might be the best episode of Riverdale in a long time. And I think it should be mentioned, this episode literally ends with a to be continued; so the ending of the episode isn't the ending at all. Far from it.

So, I'm going to do this a little bit differently. I'm not really going to go into the four stories Jughead wrote (rather I'm not going to spend time writing about what they were about). They're clearly going for a Tales From the Crypt Vibe (although John Water's seems to get mixed in by story three). I didn't like the first two stories. I thought the third was pretty good. And I loved the fourth one.

Riverdale finally did the classic Archie story. Betty and Veronica fight over Archie as he strings them along. Then, they see him with another woman. But do they let him sting them along like in the comics? Fuck no. They dug his coffee and cut him in two (and it is the best scene ever. Betty and Veronica are just so happy). And, yes, there is some misogynistic tones in this story (ok a lot and in three of the stories). This is something I will get to in a minute. Just...I've always hated the love triangle and, to me, this was the best way it could end. So, just let me have my happy moment.

So there are two things going on in this episode which, and I cannot express this enough, ends with a cliffhanger. The first is the very real history of comics in the 1950s; how they we're seen a threat to the "very decency" of the American way. That their stories are corrupting the youth; even though, as Jughead says, many of them were morality tales. But, even if they weren't, it's the age old story of blaming something for the issues in society instead of dealing with the issues of society (Or in this case, the psychologist says that comics are to blame for the death of Ethel's parents and they should be focusing on punishing the writers instead of, you know, actually finding the killer). And so, the psychologist is going to go on a crusade against the writers. And who's name is about to pop up on a list...well, one Mr. Jughead Jones. I wondered if he would end up in the Sister's and I have a feeling that may be the case. So, let's be clear, this episode touched on the whole Comics Code and the complicated history...but the point wasn't to deal with it in this episode; it's to set up for whatever happens to Jughead next. And, as strange as it is to write, I actually do have a feeling this might be the one topic Roberto may actually have a bit of knowledge on.

What the episode mostly focuses on, or the parts between the stories, is Jughead and Veronica. Veronica comes over and is hoping for a date with Jughead. However, she finds out he has a deadline to write four short stories. But, she's very supportive and asks him to tell her the stories. As he goes on, and as it becomes clear that he has used the people he knows in these stories, Veronica finds herself less enamored with him. She even points out that, the way he writes his female characters, is...gross. It is misogynistic. And so she leaves and that's the end of Jeronica. And, at first, it seems like we have another moment were we have the writers using the characters to call out the things that the fans have been complaining that the writers do (kind of like the Pussycat episode in season 5). Here's the thing...that's not completely inaccurate; but it's not what's completely happening here. When Jughead is confronted by Veronica about the way he has portrayed the people he knows as these...well, they're very unflattering views; Jughead gets defensive. He says their just stories. Later, Jughead tells his publisher that Veronica just didn't get his vision. And the thing is...this isn't new (well, the misogyny is new, but not the complaints). We have seen this since season 2. Jughead decides to use Toni's grandfather's story without his permission. He uses Betty's trauma as a way to keep a book contract. Apparently he really mischaracterizes the Serpents in his book (although we don't know exactly how). Hell, it can't be denied that Jessica might actually have stolen his story because she's afraid of what he's written (he does have a history). That fact is that Jughead Jones has never learned two things about writing. While it is true writers write what they know; good writers know not to mischaracterize their friends and, most importantly, good writers know that just because they are a part of a story, that doesn't automatically mean that it's their fucking story to tell. The writers have touched on this for years and never really dealt with it.

It seems like that writers are setting up for a really interesting juxtaposition here (if they can pull it off. Big if). On the one hand, we are dealing with this fascist belief that anything outside of what people considered the norm must be condemned and punished. On the other hand, we have a writer (Jughead) that doesn't understand that, while everyone should have the freedom to write without punishment, that doesn't mean that...how to put this, people have a right to be upset. Not everybody's going to like you write. And people have the right to be upset when you use them in an unfairly flattering light or use their story without their permission (or go off on tangents that make no fucking sense. Oh, and straight up lie). Now, whatever is about to happen to Jughead will far exceed what Jughead deserves (again, he doesn't deserve punishment; just needs someone to hit him with the brick of truth and tell him exactly how his writing has been hurting others). IF this is where there going (and IF they can pull this off...I really don't know if they can); this is an interesting debate. How do we make a society where writers are not punished for holding beliefs or writing things that others may considered outside the "norm," but still holding writers accountable for when their writings do harm others? And to what degree? (Because there's different levels of harm. There's what Jughead has done in the past and then there's JK Rowling). Look, the rest of the 1950s plots can jump off a cliff. But if the writers actually are dealing with censorship and Jughead's lack of self-censorship; I may not end up hating this season after all.