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Is Smoothstack a "Revature-esque" scam?

Smoothstack a “Revature-esque” – Smoothstack is a company that has been compared to Revature, another company known for its controversial employment practices.  The comparison is based on the red flags and concerns raised by individuals who have interacted with Smoothstack. A user on Reddit posted about their experience with Smoothstack, stating that they were contacted by the company after…

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Daydream du jour: if you woke up seven years in the past, what would you do to get back to your life now?

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Is Smoothstack a "Revature-esque" scam?

I graduated this May with a decent gpa(3.6) and internship experience and a Good lot of practical coding knowledge. and I have decided that I want to try geting a job so I recently applied via Indeed to a posting made by Smoothstack and was contacted via a phone-call by them shortly thereafter. Talking to them gave me the same red flags that I saw when Revature tried to scalp me right out of college. Does anyone have any experience with this company? I have found almost no info about them on glassdoor or elsewhere online so any advice is greatly appreciated.

[childlikekait]

Who Gets The Glory?

Wow. I’m at a crossroads. I’ve returned to programming/coding and realized that I know more than my imposter syndrome led me to believe I did before. I have really been enjoying the process of building my latest project. And yet... I question if I want to continue this path or if a career in software development is right for me.

When I started this journey, it was because I lived a life of instability up until that point. I was chasing a career in entertainment and it wasn’t going well. There were small wins here and there but I didn’t see myself living the life I imagined for my future if I continued about in the same way.

Before I continue, I must state that I’m a Christian. And as such, my goal is to live a life that glorifies God and points to Christ.

And now I’m realizing that my journey into tech and the small platform that I’ve grown as a by-product, maybe don’t do that. Not that I went into this trying to make a name for myself in tech, but it happens. And I’ve found myself trying to cater my content to the tech crowd specifically.

When I started making the tech videos, it was just to share my journey with Revature. I couldn’t find recent videos about the company when I was first interested in working with them so I figured other people may be running into the same thing. This small tech platform was initially built out of the desire to help others.

But now in my mind, it’s become what I can build for myself. Maybe I could turn this into full-time content creation, something I’d been trying to do since college. I’ve had numerous YouTube channels before childlikekait and none of them grew like this one has. So I feel like I’ve finally found my lane.

However, I don’t want to get so carried away with what I’ve built that I feel like I can’t walk away from it. Because there are times I want to walk away. There are times I want to focus solely on content creation that’s not about tech. There are times I want to get back to creating entertainment that I enjoy. There are times I want to disappear from the internet as a whole and become a real estate tycoon. Random, I know.

But I haven’t allowed myself to give into these desires because I wonder what I could be leaving behind. Because how could it be doing so well if it wasn’t prompted by God.

If this was really just about helping people get up-to-date information on Revature, then I’ve done my part. My work is done.

Does that mean I switch gears to making content about something else? Does that mean I leave content creation as a whole?

And where do I stand on continuing to pursue software development as a career? I actually never saw myself as a career professional when I was young. I always thought I’d be either a professional artist or an entrepreneur. Working in tech was never a part of my vision.

Long story short, I don’t want to play it small when it comes to my life and choices but I also don’t want to be misaligned from God’s will.

I don’t want to be broke and chasing the unknown and not-guaranteed. But I also don’t want to build a platform out of something that was never meant for me in the first place.

I guess all I can do is follow through on my plans and see what happens. Because “many are the plans in a man’s heart but it is the Lord’s purpose that prevails” (Proverbs 19:21). I trust God’s sovereignty and I believe He will guide my path so long as I submit to Him.

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Revature

Okay. So I was talking to someone on Fishbowl about this so I'm just copy and paste what I said there here[warning long long post incoming]:

I switched careers by way of Revature, and am now working for a WITCH company. But I wouldn't recommend it if you're not willing to work in-office or if you're not willling to make a relocation in a ridiculously short amount of time (Revature was prodding some people to move in one week!) or willing to risk being stuck on Revature's 2 year contract.

Some people also aren't willing to risk having a WITCH company on their resume, but for me it was worth it because I'm now making twice as much as the best-paying and most frustrating job I've ever worked. And I can build up the experience I need to move on to greener fields in a year or two.

I considered boot camps but I couldn't really afford them, and didn't want to risk the debt issues that ISA's offered by most boot camps can incur sometimes, and the 'can take up to 6 months to get a job after a boot camp' really wasn't attractive to me. And since I was far too close to burning out where I was, I decided to take a risk on Revature's minimum wage training since they were still doing remote training. So far, it's worked out for me.

So Revature is essentially an apprenticeship program/staffing agency. They do not allow you to pick which tech stack you train in(which is a major con for some).

The interview process is pretty simple: once you give them your information and that you're interested they'll send you an email to a link with an evaluation that is part multiple choice and part record yourself answering questions. The evaluation mostly focuses on OOP programming and basic understanding of Java, I believe there were also a few HTML/CSS questions thrown in as well. The video portion is just a couple questions about programming and a 'tell me about yourself' section. Revature actually sends you a study guide in the email to give you an idea of what the evaluation covers. I think they really just use the evaluation to determine whether they want to risk putting you in a high code tech stack or if they want to put you in a low code stack.

As long as there were no issues with the video(I had technical problems and had to rerecord the video section) after completing the evaluation, I believe I talked to my recruiter on the phone twice(once was because of the video issue) Revature contacts you to set up a phone interview, which wasn't technical, mostly just confirming when could I start and talking about the process and a little bit about onboarding.

So Revature only pays minimum wage while training and in staging, and it's based off your state's minimum wage [but if you live in a state with minimum wage less than $8, you'll make $8 because that's the lowest they pay]. You also won't know what tech stack you're being put in until day 1, which is… fun. They do require you to sign a 2 year contract before you start, and here's where the apprenticeship part kicks in, if you break the contract before the 2 years is up, they expect you to pay $36,000 in training costs back to them[although there is a current online debate whether that is legally enforceable or not, I advise erring on the side of caution and assuming that yes the contract you sign is enforceable]. They give you the first 4 days of training to decide if you actually think you can make it through the training or are willing to go through with it, after that you're bound by the 2 year contract. Although in a weird little bit of tricksiness, your part of the the 2 year contract doesn't technically start until you're with a Revature client. Yeah, I don't understand that.

However, you can leave before the 2 years are up if there are extenuating circumstances or if you are fired. One of my batchmates was let go because there was an issue with her education verification. Another was released from contract because he had a family emergency. I believe they will also drop you if you fail a certain amount of evaulations but as far I'm aware none of my batchmates had that issue and collectively a good portion of us failed one of our first projects.

So Revature does try to cram a great deal into a very short amount of time. Training is usually somewhere between 10-12 weeks long depending on the tech stack, and they cover alot. If I go by the current portfolio guidelines, they have about 17 tech stacks right now.

Because Revature serves as a staffing agency, their goal is to get you on with a client, and you will have to interview in order to get on with a client. My batch was specifically matched to one of their clients that had requested they train people in our tech stack so we had interviews before we even left training. We also had a second company express interest in our tech stack, so two of us interviewed with two separate clients before training was even over. Whether or not you do this depends on your tech stack, at least 2 of the other tech stacks had to complete certifications before they could do interviews.

Once training is completed, you are put into what is called staging. Staging is… a major confusing mess. From what I was told, there's like 6 people trying to manage the 500 people currently in staging. Staging is bascially a holding period where you finish up any necessary certifications, complete a module to help you prepare for interviews, and/or get reading for onboarding with a client. You can also do extra training or little projects to buff up your resume during that time. [pay will also be the same as training]

Once on with a client, Revature expects you to be at client location within a week of onboarding, even if you're on a completely different side of the US.

Now some of Revature's clients, including their biggest client Infosys, do direct hire you by buying out your contract, which basically means instead of you contracting for Revature, you are an employee of that company.

I suspect that client buyouts of contracts are probably where Revature makes most of its money as there seems to be a big emphasis on 'the client will probably buy out your contract within a year of working for them.' but client buyouts are really good for the person working for Revature because bump in pay!

So after you onboard with a client, Revature's 2 year contract clock starts clicking and your pay finally moves off that minimum wage and hits the pay of $45,000 annually [Depending on where you move, this might be higher, Revature does increase your pay if you end up in one of the locations they have listed as high cost of living]. If you are direct hired by a client your pay is usually going to be higher than that.

If you go on a client project and for whatever reason, they send you back, you then go into a thing called Bench which is basically staging v.2, you're basically back with the staging managers trying to get back on with another client. The bad thing with this is your pay drops back to that minimum wage, but your 2 year clock doesn't stop, it keeps ticking down to the end of your contract. When I was in staging there were only 2-3 people that I knew of on bench.

So with Revature and staging they do sometimes release people from the contract if after doing interviews they aren't selected. I know a few of my batchmates were given the options of being released from their contract or going into training for another tech stack.

As of right now, Revature is doing remote training because of covid. That is the only reason I went with them, because when they are in-office, you actually have to relocate to their training locations.

I initially thought they were a scam because of how much negativity they get on Reddit, especially since alot of people who've never been through the program hear the stuff about the 2 yr apprenticeship style contract, the relocation requirements, and the fact that their biggest clients are WITCH companies and flip out about how bad of an idea it is to work for them, but after coming across posts from people who were in positions like mine saying it worked for them and a lot of helpful Youtube videos talking about how it's alot of hard work and maybe not the greatest program out there but it got them where they wanted to be, and I decided to go for it.

It is ALOT of hard work. So (from what I heard from my trainer and other cohorts this is pretty typical across tech stacks) you will be assigned 4 projects throughout the training. The first 2 projects are individual and the last two projects are group projects. For my batch we were assigned into small teams for standups and these were also utilized for little mini projects and group activities. The teams changed for every project so we could get used to working with different team members.

I don't think a one of us got a good night's sleep the week of project due dates due to trying to make sure our projects were up to par. Spoiler: our first project was absolutely not (except for like 3 people). I personally got a red, which is an F. Grades are in colors.

For each major project you do have to do a presentation on the project. The first two were short 5ish presentations. The third was about 15 minutes per team. The last project is a showcase that the entire cohort works on and will be presented to your trainer, other trainers and cohorts, other Revature employees, and potentially the clients you may well be interviewing with.

You also get weekly evaluations that check on how well you are doing. These are done interview style and are both to help you be prepared for technical interviews and to ensure that you are thoroughly learning the material. [Which I must admit I really wonder about, I believe in the high code tech stacks they learn a new tech each week.]

I interviewed with 2 clients, one who didn't select me and one who did. I only had one interview with each, and both interviews consisted of them asking for a short "tell me about yourself" and then asking technical questions around the tech stack I was trained in. They also asked me about projects that I had worked on while in the Revature training. One also asked me to build a quick program while they watched. Both interviews were remote, one through Teams and one through Bluejeans. Even though I was selected for a client during my last week of training, I was still in staging for a week and a half while the onboarding process went through which consisted of a background check and document verification. Because I was a direct hire to my company, I had a pre-onboarding day with Revature, which was just kind of a few last minute things Revature Sales wanted to make sure we knew and wrapping up anything I needed to, and that was my last day with Revature. The next day I onboarded with my company, and that was my first day with them.

Sales is the name of the Revature department that handles clients, and takes care of setting up interviews and getting people ready to onboard. They do tend to prefer calling over emails though.

I almost forgot to mention that Revature does a background check before training but clients require another bg check. It varies by client.

Revature is also really big on using Scrum in AGILE methodology.

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Out of the blue question, have you ever heard of Revature? If yes, what's your opinion of it?

If no, please just ignore me.

no

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大学で工学の学位をとったにもかかわらずサービス業しか就職できなかったジェームズ君（仮名）が技術職の求人を探していると、「初心者ソフトウェアエンジニアをもっとも多く雇用する」と謳う Revature という会社の求人が目に留まった。Revature の求人をよく見ると、それが一般的な社員募集でなく、大学卒業生で3か月間コースのトレーニングプログラムに参加する人を募っていたのだ。Revature は応募者に住居を提供し、時給8ドルを支給する（が、家賃は差し引かれる）。トレーニングプログラムを修了したら、Revature のクライアントにプログラマとしてフルタイムで雇用してもらえる、かもしれない。ジェームズ君には、これが望みの綱に思えた。とにかくすぐに働けるところを探していたのだ。彼は応募し、簡単な面談を経て無事合格し、Revature と契約書と取り交わした。その契約によれば、ジェームズ君はトレーニング後2年間はクライアントのために働くことを約束し、そのクライアントや勤務地を選ぶのは Revature で、2年以内に辞めた場合、36,500ドルもの違約金が発生するかもしれない。法律の専門家によれば、こういう契約は「年季奉公（indentured servitude の訳だが江戸時代みたいだな。奴隷労働のほうが近い？）」みたいなものだという。Revature は成長しているようで、ジョージ・メイソン大学やアリゾナ���立大学などと提携している。2020年1月時点で大学卒業生の4割が失業に直面していることを考えれば、「年季奉公」でも多くの卒業生は喜んで受け入れるかもしれないのだ。つまり、この Revature という2016年に創業した会社、半分はトレーニングプログラムの会社であり、もう半分は人材派遣会社なのである。この記事を読む限りは、人材派遣会社としての仕組みがパソナあたりを連想させるが、アメリカにおいてもプログラミングの技能を持つ大卒者は少なく、Revature のようなプログラミングスクールと人材派遣業を組み合わせた企業がトレンドらしい。問題は、Revature との契約内��に反して離職した場合の36,500ドルという高額の「約束手形」である。そして、それだけではなく Revature との契約には、契約者を実質的に支配できる搾取の条件が組み込まれている。この会社と提携している大学がいくつもあるというのに暗澹たる気持ちになるが、大学はその重要な機能を民間の営利企業にアウトソースして、学生たちは食い物にされていると言われても仕方ないんじゃないか。Revature（並びにそれと提携している大学）側の主張もこの文章では紹介されているが、いやはや、アコギな商売ですな。

アメリカでもプログラミングスクールに通ったがうまくいかなかった話があった - YAMDAS現更新履歴

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10/13/20

Today was very exciting! I got a call about a potential job that pays very well, would give me more marketable skills, and would start soon. Now all I need is for Revature to tell me whether or not I can persue it. I really hope I can, because I think it could really set me up well. Fingers crossed.

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Smoothstack vs Revature - Comprehensive Guide 2024 Update

Smoothstack and Revature are both companies that offer training and placement services for computer science graduates.  However, they have been compared due to their similar employment practices, which have raised concerns among employees and regulators.  Here is a comparison of the two companies based on the red flags and concerns raised by individuals who have interacted with…

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on Third-Party Recruiters

It’s kind of funny - a software engineer told me he was in touch with a third-party recruiter, and it prompted me to write a massive rant about how third-party recruiters are the scum of the earth, they are the definition of evil, they contribute nothing and hound you endlessly and expose your information while casting a wide net...not unlike spam bots, but more insidious.  Obviously I was joking.  Some of them are great.  I’ve worked with a few, back when I was in the job search process, who were professional, polite, and contributed obvious value.  There are also lots of companies that ONLY really recruited through third-party recruiters, so they make sense in some circumstances.

It’s just...I don’t know.  If you’re in tech, be careful.

Maybe you think that if you get a degree, pass through a rigorous coding bootcamp, or get some valuable professional experience under your belt, you’re set for life.  And...I mean...you’re not wrong.  Until the next cycle of technology makes us all lose our jobs to sentient AI overlords, or someone invents an intuitive programming language and ruins everything, you get paid a pretty comfortable amount of money without having to take the same financial risks many people in the medical field take.  You learn to code.  You get your college degree, or bootcamp certification, or whatever.  

I’d say that for your first job in tech, there’s a lot you can do.  You can gravitate toward frontend.  Backend.  Middleware.  Linux or Apple, whatever.  As long as it’s not Revature, you’re probably going to have a good learning experience.

But there are things out there that are...kind of weird.

You’ll find tech positions written by people who don’t seem to know anything about tech.  You’ll find some really low salaries listed, comparatively speaking, and then you’ll see some ridiculously high salaries listed.  You’ll find lots of things you’re not even remotely qualified for, and maybe one or two or 100 external third-party recruiters trying to get you to interview for positions that are either very poorly paid, positions you are obviously not qualified for, or both.

Whether you’re the best engineer who ever walked this planet or the worst engineer who only managed to get a degree by photocopying your roommate’s and blotting out his name, you have skills.  People are interested in the skills.  The skills are worth money.  You might overvalue yourself and think your value is extremely high when in reality it’s very low, or you might undervalue yourself and think it’s zero.  It’s not.  You have abilities that lots of people in the world are interested in.

And some of them are great.  They want to partner with you, and bring about a better world with you by their side so they can achieve the all-important goal of adding emoji support to your chat boxes.

And some are basically bad.  They want to use you in their twisted agenda to embed spyware in emoji chat boxes.

Be careful, please.  Whenever money enters the picture, you’ll encounter a lot of people who want to use it to take control of people and exploit their natural greed and desire to “make it” in life.  But you’ve already made it.  

You don’t need them to validate you with a dollar sign and a number.  Think about what it is you really want to do, apart from the paycheck, and then move ahead.

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Happy Monday to me, my business cards came in! #Revature #UniversityPartnerships #BusinessLadyOverHere 😍👌🏽🧡 (at University of South Florida)

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Crying screaming puking dying apparently I forgot all ass-kissing skills I learned at Revature from QCs with Jonathan.

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9/10/20

I once again find myself with an abundance of both time and thoughts, so I think I’ll try journaling again. It went pretty well last tim, until illness and Amazon started compounding. Since then I’ve gotten really into letter writing, so maybe that passion can be transferable; a journal could be thought of as letters to the future, I suppose. I would like it if I was the sort of person for whom this became a life long habbit, but I’ve tried and failed with that expectation enough times to settle for writing when it is useful, when I have to. That being said, I kinda have to right now; with the pandemic and an...unideal living situation, I need to process and externalize my thoughts. I think I’ve been doing too much blocking them out lately, which, while understandable, isn’t the most healthy probably. I suppose though that my biggest issue is the same as the last time I started: I feel stuck in limbo. I have no momentum, no next chapter. I thought Amazon would provide a way out before,  but it just sorta chewed me up and spat me out. Revature seemed like a perfect escape hatch, but as my furlough stretches on with nary a word, that seems less and less likely. I’m going to focus on getting out of here this time. If I’m on my own in a new place, that must mean change. Freedom and independence are what I’m craving, and after a year of stagnation I’m willing to push harder and risk more to get them. I don’t really think this time has been wasted, and I’ve factually grown and produced things, but I’ll be damned if I don’t feel like it sometimes. But, there WILL be feasting and dancing, even through this mire of stagnation, even through this pandemic. Things will change. Things will improve. I will see my friends again. Hopelessness is an easy slope, but it only leads down. I can’t always fight it, but I have to remember a horizon exists. I keep thinking about that Dostoyevsky quote, “there is a whole,life in that, in know that the sun exists.” Anyway, I’m getting maudlin again. I’ll end with a thing that won’t be clear online, I’m using a different pen color than last time. So the delineation in attempts is really clear physically. I don’t know why, but that feels significant somehow.