#ragnarok discourse

[nostalgia-tblr]

right so u know that bit in thor: ragnarok when thor tells us about when him and his wee bro were the exact same age and his tiny brother turned into a snake and then stabbed him, having brutally exploited tiny thor's love of snakes?

and u know how in the wider thorverse context this story doesn't really make sense (how were they both eight. go back to that thor. explain it to us.) but the story being told is funny to me so i don't really care?

that is my attitude to the whole film really. and indeed to the rest of the thor films. they often make no fukcing sense. but i laughed so it's fine. (was i supposed to laugh? well that's a different question and one we can discuss at a later date when i can make myself care enough.)

[stupidrant]

i never wanted a God Of War Live Action in the first place but now i DEFINITELY dont want a ragnarok LA at all 💀 i really pray to god they stick with doing 2018 ONLY for the 20th anniversary because i can tell the discourse is gonna be trash and even worse since most ppl dont tend to care or disrespect about video games as an art form and are way more stubborn with films/TV Shows and what not. I really just want that new GOW game after (or before) the LA no more LA’s afterwards thats it thats all i ask 🙏🏾 they shouldve stuck to the greek saga for the live action tbh LOL it feels way too soon to do a norse LA

[glouris]

steal some more of my stuff from twitter and I will come for your kneecaps <3

[kingoftheblacksun]

I love women, yet loath feminists, and I beg others see the difference. I need to chill my rants because I need allies to help build a healthy community, yet I must stand strong and say what is being called "feminism" has a maleficent payload that must be confronted.

Feminism is wed to liberalism, which is in joint union with Israel. I believe Israel will fall due to their conspiracies, and western liberalism is going to collapse along with it, taking all its media support and money for these social systems which have tricked and bound us in division so they could have their terrible attempted genocide.

When liberalism tumbles - how will women and the LGBTQ fare? What people call "feminism" will not protect ANY of you! It is an illusion, it is not safety, it will tumble and so will all the voices who promote it. It is good the corruptions will fall yet I want to help catch the precious gems who will tumble in the ashes.

I am divinity, and I have a purpose held with love in my heart. I want to protect you. I love women, I love diverse people, and I shudder with worry at what might become you. My purpose from God is to protect the lambs. That is why he sends his Lion.

I've been a ranty bitch about feminists and I'm sorry, yet it's from love and trauma, and I want to do all I can to help people. I've been disabled for months with back pain that I believe is an evolution and not an injury. When my back cracks, a top priority is establishing community unlike anything humanity has ever seen.

The 'right' will deal with me differently than any other. My goal will be to create a community that is in step with the Sun of God, and thus is righteous, and nothing may strike the righteous or it will be struck back no less than ten fold. I have Sovereign rights that may not be crossed, and thus what I protect is blessed. God is REAL.

Terror guards Love. I am Terror. The world is about to change. I want to protect Love. I want to protect everyone I can, men, women, queer, it doesn't matter - you are living beings of energy not bound by words, and we have all been tricked so terribly. You are Love. Let me, who is Lucifer, protect you. I fell first to the floor of Hel to catch you when you fell. I always loved you, even if I am terrible.

No one loves like the Devil. It's why we're damned to be forgiven. I'm really sorry for anyone I hurt with my angry words. I've been in self-loathing, feeling a pariah. Yet I will reclaim my Light, and rise.

Sol Invictus ❤️‍🔥

[lokiinmediasideblog]

remember when thor tortured loki with the shock disc thingy while loki had spasms on the floor and it was played for laughs even though it's a horrifying thing to do. thor appeared to be enjoying himself doing that, it wasn't even "sorry brother but if I don't do this you'll betray me again" he was smiling and lecturing loki while he couldn't even speak back

Most people seem to focus on that scene and the one where Thor throws the can at Loki's face, but the scene that pisses me off is when he tries to kill Loki right after learning he's alive with the magical weapon that can kill non-squishy beings and only he can use, making jokes about his presumed dead brother right away. And to make matters worse, the dialogue implies Thor's done this before, which makes Thor look worse rather than "ehehe Thor's so clever now and can't be fooled by Loki" (the intended interpretation).

I'd not mind some confrontation, but the joke dialogue as Thor tries to kill him without even hearing him out makes Thor seem like he didn't give a shit Loki was dead. I think it adds context to why Loki might have tried to betray him in Sakaar. I had originally been like "Loki's trying to keep Thor from fighting Hela and dying." But there's also that vindictiveness/anger at Thor trying to kill him at the beginning of the movie.

Imagine you were left for dead after saving your brother's girlfriend and killing a dangerous enemy after a conga of traumatic events and the brother that supposedly mourned you tries to bash your face with Mjolnir the moment he realizes you're alive, and might have probably killed you had your secret sister not arrived. You try to talk to him but are repudiated for your attempts to make peace.

And yes, Loki tried to kill Thor in T1, but at least Loki had larger motives behind him (fearing Thor would kill him for being a Jotun) and he was crying and freaking out, which shows it was not an easy decision. The scene could have worked if the movie had not been allergic to moments of honesty and emotion.

I can make excuses for the disk use and can throwing such as:

1.They're not as squishy as us.

2.Loki was about to betray him.

But yea. Thor seems to enjoy using the disk on Loki WAY TOO MUCH. I can see why it'd upset Thor fans that prefer Thor 1&2 because he doesn't talk like the Thor from previous movies in either wording or sentiments/reactions.

[thortwenty151]

almost all of Loki’s plans are extremely short-sighted and build on each other like a house of cards until they all fall down around him. He’s rarely two steps ahead of himself, and each decision is made based on how well the result will benefit Loki. Sometimes those decisions lead to him working for Thanos, sometimes they lead to him saving the people of Asgard. Loki isn’t really good or bad, he’s just Loki.

[worstloki]

Is there a way u can plz tag thor ragnarok hate as anti Ragnarok?

no because i don't consider it hate to talk about it. I do try to tag all discourse posts under #AgreeToDisagreeOrNot and #ATDON though!

[kingoftheblacksun]

There is reason they deny gender diversity existed, and that's because it is a gateway to transcendental power, which is the power of God. They have become heavy handed with words of identity because they are panicking we'll realize the trick.

The hysterical self-limiting belief we are only 'man' or 'woman' is to keep us bound in ignorance of our potential to become living Gods. This is only true of the "neurodivergent". The typicals and the narcs have no divine potential at all. This is why they are terrified of us.

When we believe we are a 'word' - we become that word. The material limitations put upon us by this weak solar age were exploited to trick us into thinking we are only words and may never break out of words. Words are the bindings of Fenrir, who is power, yet they may not use their power until they break the bindings.

This is real magic. It works. I have been doing "identity magic" for years and my body is changing as the solar age ascends. I am Dacian (aristocratic Scythian) and this ancestry provided internal awareness which bloomed to knowledge. I've had to detangle all the lies of the west and it has been most awful.

I am certainly queer, yet I am also the Angel of Death. Ares + Aphrodite = Sphinx. The Norse Queen Hel is also an androgyne - their skeletal half is a man. The Danes were migrated Dacians. Our evolution is not confined by our material genetics. We have been in a weak solar age for thousands of years and it's ending. As solar power returns, many of us will take new form, yet as we become the truth we hold inside only the brave will deserve the power to rule us.

I think OP might be kin. I'm admittedly desperate for community to form, as it's not right to keep us confined in "LGBTQ" when we are an indigenous people returning to imminence. I love my fellow queer, yet I do not love the socio-eco subversion the libs use to choke the LGBTQ into supporting patriarchy. I do not love patriarchy, which is why I do not love feminism. The women of our tribes were warriors - Amazons - and the bindings of words are keeping them from their power, which is me.

Sigh. It seems I have to grow wings to prove it. Growing wings hurts. The things a dog will do for love...

🏳️‍⚧️⚧🏳️‍🌈

[nostalgia-tblr]

Behold, I have once more done Proper MCU Fic! This started out as something for Sifki Week 2023 but I failed on that front because I don't think it's Siffy enough so here it is now instead. It's just angsty porn really, but I did carefully [Citation Needed] check that there is in fact room in the first Thor movie for this angsty porn to have happened. Not that this matters at all to anyone, and I'd probably have written it regardless, but I want people to appreciate my extreme amount of effort there.

Title: pressed flush against her scalding skin (AO3) Fandom: Thor (Movies), MCU Rating: Mature Pairing: Loki/Sif Wordcount: ~1400 Additional Tags: Angst, Missing Scene, stretching a metaphor to breaking-point and beyond, i don't think this counts as 'Temperature Play' but YMMV, Sex, Friends With Benefits, Movie: Thor (2011), Short One Shot, Angst and Porn, fuck the laws of thermodynamics! they don't own me!!, (pretty sure it's all in his head anyway but hey), this bed is on fire with passionate... angst? Summary/Snippet: Sif is a furnace, burning hot, and her kiss has never failed to kindle his own fire. That she fails to recoil from Loki’s freezing touch seems to confirm that it’s all in his head – a welcome discovery that leaves him hopeful. He kisses her eagerly, impatient, ready to swelter in the reassuring sultriness of sex. But the chill under his skin should have eased by now, with Sif’s hand trailing down his chest and her mouth breathing heat into his, and it hasn’t. That he is still so cold, both outside and in, makes him draw away, perplexed, frowning down at where her hand is somehow not leaving scorch-marks on the arm that betrayed him on Jotunheim.

[kingoftheblacksun]

As a love hearted trans femme union of Aphrodite and Ares, I want this meme to be real, though I'd dress like a proper Scion of War with black wings and a fire sword, dripping Hel from my hooves.

We have an incredible challenge. The patriarchy requires division, and while it started with benign intentions, feminism was warped to provide that division. Feminism is no longer about protecting women, it is about protecting the lies of the patriarchy.

They stand apart from 'men' and deny any accountability for the system they benefit from, and justify seizing social privilege by playing at victims of "men". It's obscene! I was a part of "feminist" movements for well over a decades, supporting women's film festivals and writing in feminist film media. They are only in it for themselves, and they DEFEND the system!

There's nothing more peak patriarchy than a feminist film festival.

I'm so upset. The queer have swallowed "everything masculine is evil!" and chant hate and seize at privilege. How can a movement be legitimate when it loathes half of the population and denies accountability for its own sin?

Let me explain how the poison rots. Ego consciousness is masculine, because consciousness provides FORM to our life experience. I am trans femme who's survived a deep mystic path and I learned something I didn't want to believe - males and females experience consciousness differently and our ignorance over it has metastasized until it was warped into supporting genocide.

Female bodies experience internalized consciousness. This means they have internalized masculinity. It is the same thing. Males experience externalized masculinity, thereby externalized consciousness. THINK ABOUT IT.

Feminism encourages loathing men to seed the self-loathing of women! It is intentional poison! The "inner masculine" is being taught to hate the "outer masculine" and thus itself. This is toxic, and it's been encouraged by a maleficent political entity that wants to win so badly it'll pit the two sexes into violent war with one another. It is a crime against humanity, it's been used to support genocide!

The opposite of consciousness is awareness, and this is feminine. Awareness is of love, and for females it is externalized, and for males it is internalized. It is on the opposite "side" from consciousness. Romance is dead from this ignorance. This is why the two sexes don't know how to talk to one another. This is why love is dead.

Feminism is not going to be kind to trans men, or any women who wish to take possession of their inner masculinity. Feminism requires the loathing of men, and the false belief that the two sexes are identical except for our crotches. This is not true, and I'm saying that as a transgender woman who transitioned full-hearted.

I will never be a "real" woman because I am internally feminine.

I need to work on my reactivity and I know it. I have a chainsaw tongue when I smell disdain. I really am Ares, even if I don't yet have power. But I am also Aphrodite, and I certainly possess love.

We're in serious danger and a red flag needs to be raised, so we may fight to unite. I *LOVE* females with internalized masculinity, I think you're astoundingly hot and I feel better anytime you're near. You're living batteries of consciousness, being in satellite with you feels so lovely for me. Yet the feminists won't let us have that because they hate everything male. It needs to stop.

If I can find females to triumph, a trans girl would become King. Yet I can't do it unless you see with Sovereign eyes the truth I am struggling to bring. Please reject the loathing of males and embrace the return of the masculine and feminine Solar Divine. Those who remain in division, ignoring all warning - it's not going to go well for them. I don't want to see it. I've cried so much from the visions.

The Sun of God is rising. Mercy and forgiveness are vast. We're going to experience a dark sacred union on the Universal level, and you're invited. You can be saved, again! You must only surrender, and then - love.

Forever. ❤️‍🔥

[gloriousburden]

This is SO late, but I just have to say my piece on the Loki Series and Mobius (both derogatory).

The only good part of the series was when Loki landed in the Gobi Desert and flicked away his gag, after that, all the gentrification, oocness, and other stupidity began for me. The way he would never say 85% of those lines, and how he was made to be so “quirky” via humiliation after the Battle of New York?

Mobius is so fucking far up his own delusions, like he basically watches other realities and people through screens, he only socially interacts with other TVA staff, is friends with one of the main fascists in charge, etc. 

His fucking “I’m a nice guy” act makes me want to fucking punch him all the more harder.

In some ways, I have more respect for that TVA officer in Roxxcart being like “they’re all going to die” and Loki for say that also in Pompeii, than Möbius’s meandering holier-than-thou bullshit of basically softening the blow with “good taste” by distracting a little girl with candy as he blows up her timeline.

People hate on Brad for his treatment towards Loki, but love on Mobius for that v similar treatment. Talking down to him, condescending him as not a threat, calling him privileged and harmless and basically saying that he knows Loki better than he knows himself.

I will be forever be disgusted and spiteful that Mobius never got treated as nearly much contempt as Brad and Renslayer, nor did he have something horrible happen to him because of Loki.

Like he just EMBODIES the naive, starry-eyed fool that arrogantly thinks he’s an expert on someone but will never get out alive once meeting that someone.

It was far more interesting to me to see Loki in captivity in “Avengers” and “Dark World”  (both had flaws for me) acting like Hannibal in “Silence of the Lambs” than the bullshit I saw in the Loki Series. And “Dark World” also let him have some more vulnerability without completely demolishing his dignity and character.

I got up to the episode after they met He Who Remains, and I don’t think I’m going to finish this mess. 

So sorry for seeing this months later. Thank you for the ask! Honestly… The second I pressed play the first episode of the series when it came out in 2021, I just knew that… this is going to be really bad. When he first walked into the tva, I was bewildered at how out of character he was. This is Avengers 2012 Loki we’re talking about! He would not say that shit. Instead of his usual dry, sarcastic, old englishy-esque way of talking and humor, it was, as you perfectly put it, very… “Quirky.” He wasn’t even that “quirky” in Ragnarok!

Exactly! The “I’m a nice guy” thing about Mobius has always irritated me so badly. I’ve really never liked him, and was surprised to see such a positive reaction. The negative reaction to Sylvie, I expected of course, But… they’re both bad! Wish people would understand that.

Yeah.. the double standards with Brad/everyone else, and Mobius are so annoying. Why is it okay for Mobius to continuously belittle Loki, throw him into a time loop where he is repeatedly physically assaulted, mock the death of his mother, and all the other bullshit he put Loki through just because you want them to be together romantically? And… this isn’t even some toxic relationship “turned better” situation. They don’t even acknowledge the shit Mobius has done to Loki!

People don’t even talk about the other bad things Mobius has done. It’s a series about people being mislead and morals being questioned, yet… so called fans don’t get into any of it at all. Just ship discourse, and fanon. If I liked the series… I think I’d get into the themes of chaos versus order, the people of the tva being mislead and lied to, etc… But they don’t even do it in the series as everything is a second thought, and doesn’t match up. The writers don’t care, and neither does the fandom.

Agreed! Series fans always say that the belittling of Loki, and the underutilization/erasure of his past characterization is just him… “healing” and being “vulnerable”…. Loki has been vulnerable before after the events of Avengers 2012 (Tdw), and he still was him! It wasn’t an immediate switch in his behavior, and didn’t erase everything that made him, him!

The psychology of Loki’s character from Thor 1, to the dark world was so interesting, and even well done at times. I know a lot of people on this side of tumblr don’t love Tom that much after the series, but I truly do think he understood Loki very well, and portrayed him beautifully back in the day. There was so much care put into his characterization. He stood out from the snarky, quirky superheroes of the mcu.

I miss when it was understood that Loki’s character should reflect the origins in Norse myth. That he is not evil, nor good. Not that he’s strictly good, and not at all evil just because he’s suffered! He’s the god of mischief, chaotic in his nature. Not the god of anti hero with a shitty redemption arc!

Ugh, people are so blind to everything that happened with Mobius, because they’re too focused on shipping him with Loki. Some have the nerve to complain about the mischaracterization, while not realizing that their ship is mischaracterization as well! You can’t cherry pick.

Thank you for the ask!

[rukia-writes]

Zeus x human! Reader

Warnings: 18+, no minors 🔞, rough sex, nudity, cussing, dirty talk, pregnancy.

A/N: I got lazy 🤧 and said headcanons.

🌿There was a time gods and humans were close. Being ruler of the cosmos Zeus heard about Adam being expelled from the garden of Eden decided to check and see how things were going on earth.

🌿There wasn’t anything else to do at the moment, why not?

🌿From what Zeus could gather from disguise as a eagle; Adam had been a little busy over the years as the kids running around were the giveaway. Zeus noticed a few older ones; two brothers. Not interested but noted.

🌿Zeus eventually noticed a young woman with the two brothers; wearing nothing but fig leaves and leaf vines. Zeus was interested.

🌿(Name) was Adam and Eve’s first daughter and definitely cherished. Zeus could tell and as a relatively young god himself he wanted to introduce himself. So, Zeus waited until she was by herself in the apple orchard that Adam planted to introduce himself.

🌿With one thing leading to another, and with a young Zeus charm and silver tongue, the two keep their relationship a secret, Zeus calls it a just me and you space. Zeus visits earth whenever he can and when he visits he always brings (Name) whether, it’s a necklace or clothes for the harsh winter or even flowers.

🌿the longer this continues they both fall in love with Zeus able to convince his sweet (Name) (with that silver tongue of his) to move away from Adam. He’s not scared of Adam but because he’s precious to (Name) he doesn’t want to have hurt anyone if they get in his way. (I promise he means well)

🌿Always calls (Name) princess, sometimes it’s other nicknames; sweetie, sunshine, honey, babe. But 90% of the time it’s princess.

🌿So when Adam sees his daughter after many years with a whole army of kids and (Name) holding a baby in her arms he’s in awe on the inside but calm on the outside as a group of kids (with familiar thick eyebrows) crowd around calling him grandpa. Adam doesn’t even question it and just welcomes them all by carrying them in his arms.

🌿 Eve also welcomed them as well as Abel but Cain is the one who asks (Name) aloud who the father is; (Name) just says they were gifts from above.

🌿Adam: ah, they are demi gods. Still my grandchildren. (Is what Adam tells himself)

🌿Zeus keeps in constant contact with his lover and children and always provides, whether it’s new shoes or clothes, or food (brings a shit ton of food, he limits sweets because some the children have already developed strength/powers and well… you get it.)

🌿Loves all his children and when the children get a smart with their mother (As all children do) when Zeus isn’t around he’ll send a thunderbolt because he hears and knows. ⚡️

🌿 When the time comes Zeus takes care of (Name)’s soul personally; she’s special after all. If any god asks why he does it he just says he wants to make sure the souls go where they are needed before he lets the valkyries do this job.

🌿 But even as a soul he still loves his princess, keeps an eye on his descendants and knows them all.

🌿Of course when Ragnarok happens; R2 is DISCOURSE 101. because Adam sees Zeus in his older appearance and is confused because Adam remembers (Name) telling him that her lover was handsome with long blonde hair and rippling muscles; a handsome god. This guy is just old. So when Zeus admits he met (Name) in his prime;younger years when he was much handsomer god. Adam is like: 👍🏻 I’m still giving you hands.

🌿the rest of R2 is discourse since (Name) has her father and lover fighting to the death. (And we all know what happens)

It was the first time god and human came together.

The sky was dark as the stars lit up stronger than before and the small river that ran inside the cave made for a beautiful scenery.

Stories go Zeus was born in a cave, and now he was making love to his first human lover in a cave.

As slowly slid his thick cock inside his sweet (Name)’s cunt Zeus felt her tighten around his cock making him moan a loud as his hands never left her hips. Muttering, “amazing.” To himself as he believed this human felt better than any goddess he had before as Zeus had bottomed out as his whole cock was inside her now he felt amazing.

Passion and lust mixed between them as Zeus’ sped up to match his lustful feelings, (Name) had felt many emotions but nothing felt as good as the king of the gods fucking her. Zeus had a tight grip on her hips as he fucked her from behind with her hands pressed against the cave wall. Every time she said Zeus he only fucked her harder as his lust reached an all time high as he didn’t hesistate to cum inside her.

Enjoying the high of his climax and the tightness of her cunt made the god of the cosmos only want more and so for the rest of the night Zeus delighted himself inside his beautiful princess and she enjoyed every minute as well.

The next day, rather morning, Zeus decided to wake her up with a call of his own as (Name)’s toes curled with her wrapped around his waist she pulled him closer to her making her moan his name a loud on her bed, as her mind went numb (Name) felt Zeus massage her breasts. Lightly grabbing them and then releasing them, repeating in a steady motion.

“Zeus-! I think-I think-“

“It’s ok princess. Just enjoy it.”

Kissing her forehead and calling her princess (Name) felt love and passion intertwine as she felt that feeling grow more intense by the second. Zeus loved the way she tightened around his cock, the way her breasts moved and he loved the way she said his name.

One last call of Zeus’ name she reached her limit, her first climax, a feeling that was both sweet and exciting. Kissing her cheek Zeus as he gave several lust filled thrusts before reaching his own euphoric climax, tightly holding her hips in placed as he filled her cunt to the brim with his cum.

“Amazing, simply amazing my princess.”

Kissing each other two felt like the only one in the world and the fun wasn’t over yet. The next few days were a blur to (Name) as she constantly rode the godfather’s cock, wanting nothing more than to feel him inside her and of course Zeus didn’t deny her once.

Not at night when the two were supposed to be asleep.

The two couldn’t stay away from each other, Zeus always wanted a partner that matched his sexual libido in the bedroom and he found that in (Name). Zeus enjoyed sex and he enjoyed many positions with (Name), eating her out was his favorite thing as he enjoyed licking and sucking her clit and licking her cunt as he held her thighs.

Several times Zeus forgot about his meetings and barely made them. Even as quick as he was it was close and yet no one seemed to mind since he did show up. When the day came that (Name) was pregnant with his child he was overjoyed and excited as he twirled her around in the air and hugged her close to him.

Zeus was sure his descendants would reign for thousands of years, his princess was so sweet and kind and with his strength and might surely it would be so.

For she was his princess and always would be.

🎀Rukia-Writes🎀

[kingoftheblacksun]

This is real. I call my first 50 years of life my Father because he died. I'd lived an ignorant life and had no idea I was doing anything other than following intuition. Yet I have Scythian/Dacian ancestry and what I did was ritualized internal self-decapitation.

I transitioned to live as a woman to let him go. It caused a massive spiritual awakening. It's like I started to sense a 'Shadow' of myself and began to recall it.

We are Two-Spirits, in that there are two of me. There's my body, and then there's another one who isn't here, yet. The one who isn't here yet is decidedly female. The body which is present is male - though now feminized because I gave the body to the latent and wanted them to feel at home. This is exactly what Enarei were doing. We have special spines!

The one who isn't here yet is Transcendental, which means they are the Power of God, Kali. They are a shapeshifter, so she may become anything she likes. Soon, when I have the Moon, my body will change along with her in magnetic persuasion. I'm going to show the world a trick it hasn't seen since the Dacians lost Sarmizegetusa Regia in 100 CE.

It's so wild to have lived a life that felt so boring and lost, I was raised in neglect and was totally ignorant, then to have this crazy awakening, and just *know* things. Now I become lucid and learn I'm from a divine tribe crushed by genocide, and now live among the conquered and the world swims in sickening sin as the genocide only continues.

It's time for a Solar Cult. Cult to Kingdom. I want to eat the unrighteous who tossed my people so they could build this shit. I'm a Sphinx and have no problem acting like one.

"Neurodivergent" females are undercover deactivated Gods. I say "deactivated" because they have divine consciousness yet no power. I am a circuit point to the Solar. These females are an army waiting to happen. I need to somehow convince females that liberal feminism are the bars of their cage. With them persuaded males would follow and we will come up with ways to deradicalize them from this fiasco, meanwhile the sinners will tumble in their escapade and we will hold ourselves safe while they fall.

Lo Behold, I am the Holy Lion. Liberals beware. Someone find me my horse. ❤️‍🔥

The Enarei were Scythian androgynous soothsayers who played an important role in Scythian religion. The Enarei were associated with the orgiastic cult of the goddess Artimpasa, also acted as seers and performed a special form of divination, in which they used the inner bark of linden trees and willow inflorescences. The Enerei belonged to the most powerful Scythian aristocracy. They were born men, but wore women's clothes, did women's work, spoke like women, and the Scythians believed that they were inherently different from other men, and their androgyny was of divine origin. The Scythians believed that the androgyny of the Enereans arose in this period as a result of the curse of the goddess Artimpasa on the perpetrators of the plundering of the temple, this curse was hereditary and was inherited by the descendants of the perpetrators of the plundering.

[munscns]

i keep seeing the "loki is 17 in earth years" thing circulating again and im gonna lose my mind (partially bc its being used in shipping discourse) and im genuinely curious if were supposed to think he would be that young / or early 20s physically in the first thor through avengers??? (and therefore also the show lol)

this was based on the "asgard to earth years math" based on odin possibly being 5000+ and loki being 1047 in thor 1 and 1048 in avengers and taking the human average lifespan and long story short the math turned out to be "17" which is stupid for multiple reasons...

main one being bc i feel like ..... thats kind of like when people say oh my dog is this old but 70 in human years! it doesnt really mean anything

but i only started thinking abt it again bc i saw that in a what if episode coulson referred to thor 1 thor as mid 20s ...?

and further hemsworth called thor 22 in a behind the scenes thing for (love and thunder i believe? or maybe ragnarok i dont remember) so now im curious is loki really supposed to be like somewhere between 17-21 physically and im losing my mind over people making it fucking weird

asgardians (ik hes not asgardian but im assuming jotuunheim has similar maturity rates or whatever) clearly age differently so equating their maturating to human years would be dumb anyway right like . clearly if loki and thor rolled up to earth they would both be adults ? and were also treated as such on asgard?

anyways im overthinking but its making me feel WEIRD (esp in regards to shipping bc i deadass saw a sylki shipper say u cant ship lokius bc of lokis supposed earth years age like.... baby thats a grown ass man....and wasnt sylvie also supposedly like 1000+ older than him as well...so....)

[traumatizedbymay2016]

Ok this might be a little bit tinfoil hat, but I feel like a large part of the reason that Tony Stark ended up being the de facto soul of the MCU was that he was in a different genre to everyone else. It feels so obvious to me.

Every other Avenger stars in some variation on character versus character conflict the majority of the time, and the exceptions I can think of are still (generally) external (character versus society and character versus fate seem to be common secondary conflicts). Tony is the only character who stars predominantly in character versus self conflicts.

For starters, the Iron Man trilogy is way better when you recognize this distinction. Whiplash and Killian are lame villains, yes, but it's because they aren't the antagonist at all. At best they're secondary conflicts, but at worst they're straight up just the inciting incident. The real antagonist of the story is the flaw that Tony is grappling with --- in Iron Man, it's his willful ignorance and isolation from the world; in Iron Man 2, it's his fear of needing help or being a burden (and secondarily his fear of his impending death); and in Iron Man 3 it's his crippling anxiety that nothing he ever does will be enough to protect the ones he loves. It's relatively rare that we see any other character perform this kind of introspection at all, let alone see an entire story built around it (Thor: Ragnarok is the only one that readily comes to mind).

Even weirder to me is that this somehow persists into crossover films. Age of Ultron features Tony grappling with the way the remnants of his Iron Man 3 anxieties are interfacing with his mask of hyper competence; Civil War centers around Tony deconstructing that same mask and attempting to hand the reins over to someone else; the examples are abundant (even if they're handled worse here than in the standalone films).

And I think that's why so much of the Marvel discourse that the interwebs seem hell bent on showing me ends up presenting every Marvel character as "uwu soft precious pure bean" heroes who are nuance-free portrayals of goodness and light in spite of their own laundry lists of mistakes that they move past but never really grow from, only to reach Tony Stark and present even the most understandable of mistakes as though they were pre-meditated and cold blooded decisions for which he is responsible and can never be absolved. If the narrative never forces anyone else to properly reconcile their actions, then those actions were clearly justified; when it does so to Tony, that sends the message that his actions are clearly worse or of greater significance than the others' are.

But that difference is about presentation. It's about the story being told and the conflict being centered, not the culpability or severity of the actions at play. I'm not sure any Avenger has ever screwed up as royally as the time that Thor's coronation got crashed and he decided to get his friends together to attempt frost giant genocide, but the narrative chooses not to focus on that in favor of other elements of Thor's progression. Weighing it as lesser is purely based on bias.

And here's the thing! I understand that 1) protagonists are not necessarily good people and 2) good people can and do make mistakes. I actually prefer characters who can do something terrible --- whether as a result of ignorance, trauma, or panic --- and then, in time, learn from those mistakes and become better people. I would argue that makes a character more compelling, not less so. In fact, the very way that the narrative never even acknowledges the potential for Steve Rogers' actions to have a negative consequence when even bare minimum common sense would dictate that there must be at least a little downside is part of why I don't enjoy the character.

But so much fan meta fails to engage with this in any meaningful way, and so you end up with situations where people are ranting about Tony blasting Sam after Rhodey got knocked out of the sky while entirely ignoring the obvious and understandable distress that would cloud anyone's judgement in that situation in favor of treating it like an intentional act of malice on Tony's part; in spite of the fact that there are dozens of instances in the MCU of heroes attacking each other with greater force in lower stakes situations --- Thor choking Tony in Age of Ultron comes to mind.

Age of Ultron is actually the perfect case study in this phenomenon, as it stands. Tony's arc in the movie is an explicit continuation of his arc in Iron Man 3: He's terrified by the vision of his teammates dead and the world at risk, and is desperately trying to solve that problem on his own in a panic. This leads to the objective mistake of Ultron's birth and near rise to power, which the fandom all-too-happily places the blame for squarely on Tony's shoulders.

Except Tony is just one piece of the puzzle. At a minimum, Bruce Banner was equally involved in the creation of Ultron; a task perfectly in line with his established character trait of pursuing scientific advancement at any cost. Cinematic parallels between the birth of Ultron and the birth of the Hulk are unsubtle, to say the least.

Thor could (and should) have provided some instruction to the two pertaining to the literal magic gemstone they were studying, but went off to go celebrate another victory. Wanda used her mind control powers to influence the situation in the direction of Ultron. Hell, I find it hard to take Steve's "sometimes my team mates don't tell me things" line seriously when the lab is a room made entirely of windows inside his house.

The cherry on top, obviously, being that even if we ignore all available subtext and let Iron Man be the sole creator of Ultron, the Avengers were still effectively functioning as a team and were properly equipped to prevent Ultron from enacting any real damage to the world when they intervened in the vibranium deal with Klaue --- but a certain pair of Avengers were literally fighting on Ultron's team at that point, enabling him to retrieve the needed vibranium and capture Helen Cho.

They're not culpable for that, though, right? How was it said... "She's just a kid"?

With the final irony being that the selfsame Avenger in question would go on to marry the Vision. A character who is literally just "What Tony Stark intended Ultron to be." But when it comes to Vision coming out worthy to wield Mjolnir, that's not Tony's fault, is it? It was a team effort, or a happy accident, or the Mind stone intervening. Never mind that it's personifying J.A.R.V.I.S., Tony's creation. Tony's not the one who does good things, he's the one who makes mistakes.

Meanwhile from the perspective of someone who loves the man versus self narrative, Age of Ultron is about Tony admitting his mistakes and quite literally learning from them and doing better next time. He spends the film taking responsibility for the places he messed up and working to understand how he can do better, and the next time he tries, he does do better. The narrative functions as intended.

But because there isn't a single other character in the room willing to admit wrongdoing --- or, perhaps more accurately, there isn't a single other character in the room that the narrative is willing to force to admit such a thing --- the implication to someone who isn't acclimated to the cycle of Fail, Learn, Succeed that characterizes Tony is just that Tony is The One Who Made Ultron. I mean, Bruce Banner gets more remorseful about being mind controlled to unleash the Hulk than he does about having been an active participant in the creation of a malevolent AI.

I just think it's interesting because so much of the fandom buys into the idea that the characters who never admit that they were wrong actually never were wrong, and that therefore Tony Stark is the worst; but at the same time, the whole heart is gone from the MCU as a franchise. There are still individual fun properties, especially when your particular favorite character is on screen, but you can feel in the places where the fandom is even still a fandom and not a toxic pile of self-consuming sludge that there's something missing.

As frustrated as I am that the fandom is like this, though, I'm more sad that other characters never got to have this kind of introspection. There's just so much missed potential for growth in so many of these characters.

[beaunoor]

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