#quinlar endgame

[quinlarhouseholdresident]

I know sjm was wondering what was confusing about words she stated in the text🤣

quinlar haters, we’ll see you next book 🤣🤣🤣

[hlizr50]

Just thinking about the precious minutes SJM spent confirming that Bryce and Hunt are mates even though it was well established in HOSAB and further solidified in the blurb for HOFAS, when she could have been talking about Ruhn and Lidia.

[helllo-feyre-darling]

The language between mates...

Just a fyi, Sarah uses music as a connection between mates.

Rowlein, Nessian, Feysand and Quinlar have all been described as having music between their souls and their magic.

You know who else's magic's sing and dance together... I think you know 😏

yesIi just wanted an excuse to use this meme

[redheadsdefender]

It's july 24th of the year 2024, HOFAS has been out for 6 months, and we still get Bryceriel jumpscare content and stans getting in our face.

Why.

Be graceful and take the Ao3 way like so many other ships did and leave the canon spaces alone. At least, I hope they'll do it when Azriel, too, gets his endgame (hopefully in the next acotar book).

[gwyns]

HE LOVES HER SO MUCH I CANT TAKE IT

[oristian]

A second choice can be applied to almost every relationship across the Maasverse. Feysand, Nessian, Rowaelin, Quinlar, et cetera—every major couple has had one, or both, of the characters within the pairing have a semblance of a relationship prior to their endgame. It is not insulting to say, once Azriel and Gwyn get together, that Azriel thought of two other females before Gwyn; no one is going to care once the couple is made endgame canonically. Personally, I will focus more on the fact that Azriel will be someone’s first choice.

[gwynrieldreams]

How Gwynriel and Elucien mirror Quinlar and Satharion

SJM creates characters that mirror each other in each world. They have similar appearance/vibe, similar powers, similar backstory/family origins or similar role.

Rhysand, Ruhn and Dorian. Lidia and Aelin. Amren and Fury. Jessiba and Merrill. Connor and Sam. Einar and Beron. Danika and Fenrys or Danika and Nehemia, depending on how you see it. Yrene and Hypaxia. Vassa and Ariadne.

Even the villains, Vesperus and Maeve, the Valg, the Death Gods and the Princes of Hel. Their gods: Deanna and Luna, Hel and Hellas, Urd and Wyrd. Their kings and queens: Theia and Mala-firebringer. Fionn and Brannon. Elena and Helena. Gavin and Pelias.

Acosf and CC were written pretty much next to each other. So, what if Gwyn is Bryce's mirror?

They're both redheads with freckles.

Mixed: high fae + sth else that is considered lesser.

They work in a library/artifact gallery under a strict librarian.

They wear an amulet that librarians wear, with protective powers.

They both have Autumn Court heritage.

They both grew up or spent some of their childhood years in a temple.

Jelly jubilee was used to foreshadow that Bryce was Starborn and the heir of Dusk Court, while the miniature pegasus was connected to Gwyn in the scene where she cuts the ribbon and Emerie mentions that the pegasus liked Gwyn the best.

Bryce has light powers and it's possible that Gwyn also has similar powers. I believe since Bryce isn't interested in ruling or moving in Prythian, then the land will choose someone else. I just think that all those similarities and the miniature pegasus foreshadowing are something that cannot be ignored, in addition to Gwydion and the possibility that she'll be the one to wield it.

And what if Azriel and Hunt are also mirrors?

Hunt is called umbra mortis, which means shadow of death, while Azriel's name comes from Azrael the angel of death and he has shadow powers.

Dark and broody with wings.

Hunt worked as an assassin for the Archangels and hated himself, while Azriel is the torturer of the NC and hates himself. Also, this:

Just like Azriel, who was tortured and wasn't allowed to fly or see the sunlight for years.

Considering, also, the mating language parallels between the two couples, I believe all this just seals the deal for gwynriel endgame and opens the possibility that Gwyn could also be the one to wield Gwydion and/or rule Dusk Court.

Let's not forget their bonus chapters ended the same way.

Same goes for Sathia and Elain:

light brown hair and pretty

associated with flowers

in love with sb who broke up with her but still they went after him (Elain with Graysen, Sathia with Colin)

mated/married with a redhead who has done nothing but respect them and still wants to be with them after everything

Elain is soft and kind, loves to hold court. Her mother saw her as a "doll to dress up" and that she'd only marry for "love and beauty." Sathia is similar.

Lucien and Tharion also share similarities:

redhead, charming and sarcastic

no place to call home. Lucien is from the Autumn Court but his biological father is Helion, HL of the Day Court, he was emissary for Spring and now he's working as an emissary for Night, while staying in the human lands and in Spring Court/Tharion is mer but loves all things Above, he was hunted by the River Queen, he was staying with Ruhn, Flynn and Declan, until he was forced to make a deal with the Viper Queen

emissary work, Tharion is Captain of Intelligence but as we see he was sent as a representative to the Summit

Lucien wants to get to know Elain but her love for Graysen and her trauma makes it difficult, Lucien respects her decisions/Tharion married Sathia to get her out of a difficult situation but Sathia still went after Collin, Tharion respected her decision but still went after her in order to save her from the Viper Queen.

I think it's possible that Tharion and Sathia are also mates like Elucien, especially when we consider how protective she was of him against the Viper Queen -even though Colin was the one actually in danger.

[fantaxzia]

You know what works in favour of the main/endgame couples (Feysand, Rowelin, Nessian, Quinlar, etc) in SJM's series? What's the common thread that binds them in a relationship?

NEWS FLASH

It's not the mating bond.

It's 🌟free will🌟.

They chose to be with each other; the bond was always secondary to their free will and consent.

Therefore, simply saying that the mating bond is what keeps these couples together won't make it the truth.

Free will and consent are above mating bonds, and that's how Elain and Azriel will be together, they'll choose each other over the mating bond. Because they want each other, they like each other.

Not just them, that's what Lucien will do as well. He's already pretty reluctant and unsure about Elain, wondering whether she's worth the effort. He's compelled to try and court her by tradition and reverence for mating bonds, but he's not feeling it at all.

It's pretty obvious, through narrative analysis and logic, where the storyline is going.

People think that SJM is a fated mates author, but she's actually a chosen mates author.

[i-sneezed]

Come on, y'all. Elriel is happening

The recent TIME and Today interviews made one thing clear to me: SJM is interested in exploring new types of relationships in her stories.

One thing I see a lot from Gw*nriels and El*ciens is that "SJM is a fated mates author" and "she always writes couples that don't want to be together at the beginning."

And while, yes, those two things have been true for many of the couples that she's written, to say that's the only thing she capable of/willing to write is insulting imo. And the recent interviews, especially the one with Today, show me that she's ready to explore something new, which only Elriel would give us.

Let's take a look at how her previous couples compare with one another:

Rowaelin - mates + didn't want to be together at first

Feysand - mates + didn't want to be together at first

Nessian - mates + didn't want to be together at first

Elorcan - mates + didn't want to be together at first

Quinlar - mates + didn't want to be together at first

Laedion - mates + didn't want to be together at first

Ridia - mates + didn't want to be together at first

Chaorene - didn't want to be together at first

There's a pattern there for sure, so I can understand why people would assume El*cien is endgame despite evidence to the contrary in the text. They would certainly fit into the "mates + didn't want to be together at first" category. And because of Gwyn's trauma, the same may be true for her as well. Why do we assume she would want to be in a romantic relationship when she's not ready to leave the library yet? Mating bond or no, she has a lot of healing to do without the influence of a male.

But I digress. If SJM is interested in exploring something different than what she's already written time as time again (albeit with variations), Elriel is what's going to deliver.

For the first time, we would have a main couple who want to be together, but instead of the usual internal forces keeping them apart, it's external ones. Political ones.

She's never given us that before. She's never explored a rejected mating bond before. She's never done a secret romance before. All of those things would come with Elriel, whereas the other two ships would just be more variations on the same love story she's already told no less than 7 times.

I genuinely can't understand why people actively don't want Elriel. It doesn't have to be your favorite ship, but to entirely denounce it when it's not only the most logical but also the one that would give us something brand new is insane to me.

Let's not pigeonhole SJM by saying she's only capable of writing one type of love story, especially when she's explicitly telling us she's excited to explore something new.

3 brothers, 3 sisters would be cliche if all three couples were mates, but I think we'll end up with those pairings not because of the mating bond but in spite of it.

Every character reluctantly ending up with their mate is far lazier writing if you ask me.

[mycadences]

Friendly reminder that right after Nessian's mating bond was described as "For it was music between their souls" (ACOSF, chapter 58), Azriel's BC (taking place during the solstice so chronologically it would have been during that same chapter 58) described "he could have sworn a faint, beautiful singing followed him. Could have sworn his shadows sang in answer."

SJM also wrote the bonus chapters for Quinlar (canonical endgame + mates) and Gwynriel, excuse me, I mean Azriel at the same time, paralleling the ENDING used ("glow" and "secret" + the language was very similar).

Meanwhile Ewriels would look at those very clear implications and somehow deduce that SJM was foreshadowing Gwyn being a lightsinger like how? 🤡 There was literally NO WAY SJM could have made it more obvious...

I find it hilarious their so-called "evidence" for Gwyn being a lightsinger... is basically Azriel "found himself" at the library in his BC. They really have memory problems; first they can't remember Gwyn when her name appeared over 500 times in ACOSF, and now they forget that Azriel also "found himself" leaving the room to stumble across Elain IN THAT SAME BC LMAOOO. So according to them Elain is also a lightsinger 😂 They also argue that Gwyn sings so she's a lightsinger, by that logic Azriel is also a lightsinger too! His shadows are lightsingers too! Everyone is a lightsinger! They've completely lost the plot (and then some....)

But you want to know what's the final nail in their coffin?

It's the fact that even if Gwyn is really a lightsinger, we know for sure that SJM will NOT make her evil (anyone who thinks otherwise is beyond delusional) so it really just makes Gwynriel even likelier. The lightsinger/shadowsinger parallel because mates are always EQUAL.

*sits back and sips tea 💅*

[acourtofthought]

Feyre thinking about nicknames for Vassa and Lucien, "Bird of Flame and Lord of Fire" is not more valid evidence of a possible future ship than Az personally acknowledging he felt a spark in his chest for Gwyn.

I've seen so many posts claiming Gwynriel is not a true love interest for Az, that she's not a canon ship at this point, going into grand detail about what makes a ship a true ship (not just a fanon one) and I'll give them that part of it but these are the same people who insist Vassa and Lucien are.

Neither Vassa or Lucien has expressed romantic interest in the other yet people are convinced they will get a book together. 🤔

They in canon are friends and only friends, just like Nesta and Az are friends (Az was wayyyyyy more touchy-feely with Nesta in HOFAS than we've ever seen between Lucien and Vassa).

In terms of romantic potential, this one goes to Gwynriel.

We don't know Vassa's sexual preference however we do know Gwyn's.

We've never seen Lucien's fire responding to Vassa's flames but we have seen Az's shadows play with Gwyn's breath / song.

We never saw Lucien give Vassa a gift but we have seen Az decide that he'd like Gwyn to have the gift he originally got for someone else simply because he thought it would make her eyes light up.

Sarah has never written an endgame pairing to be first living together as friends along with one of their other friends for over a year before they've even had a pov.

Sarah has written two people who weren't quite friends in one book ending up together as mates in another.

Sarah did write endgame couples Nessian and Quinlar as being at one anothers throats.

Sarah did not write Lucien and Vassa at one anothers throats and instead gave that line to Vassa and Jurian.

Sarah has never had a guy call one girl "the most beautiful female he'd ever seen" only to end up with someone else.

Sarah has never had a mate not end up with his mate in the end.

If someone wants to stand up on their pedestal going on and on how Gwynriel isn't a canon ship at this point that's fine but claiming the Vassien ship has more to go on after that looks ridiculous.

They desperately need to pair off Lucien with someone, anyone to make ACOTAR 5 & 6 work in their favor. Elucien and Gwynriel are the most logical option but instead they'd rather turn a blind eye to how Lucien looks at Elain and only Elain with longing after he'd been living with Vassa for over a year and convince themselves that Feyre assigning a painting name to two people means more than Lucien's feelings for his mate which are written clear across his face, than Lucien's own thoughts that Elain is the most beautiful female he'd ever seen, than the author choosing to write Elain's mate as being the one to get to know her father, than how Vassa has never once been written as sassy / flirty with Lucien when we were given this with Gwyn and Az:

Gwyn threw Azriel a withering stare as she strode past him. “See you tomorrow, Shadowsinger,” she tossed over a shoulder.

[highladyjane]

Colour me delulu and lost, but I love how these 2 passages between 2 endgame couples from TOG and CC who CHOSE each other as mates follow it with

"I thought it was obvious" 👀

and how both scenes parallel with Elriel - which is by now more than obvious who the next Maas-novel will be about 😉

Does that perhaps hint and mean more than intended, Sarah? 😏

Funny how, in all 3 scenes they all were about to do "something" but suddenly can't go through with it right there...

Lorcan and Elide (EoS, ch. 60)

Probably don't mean much in context, but the same exact wording is also found in Elain and Azriel's very first interaction btw 👀 (ACoMaF, Ch. 24)

But just Who was Azriel willing to offer up his life for? Read 'A Court of Wings and Ruin', Ch. 64-65 😉 And in ACoSF, ch. 22...

... where in the very next page, Az says...

But, reading further, What (and Who) does Azriel really and actually want?

Bryce and Hunt's scene in HoSaB, ch. 17 has wordings that parallel well and has the same energy as Az's BC during Solstice in ACoSF where we find out exactly What and Who Azriel wants.

And it's pretty obvious who Elain wants - and she herself knows it too.

Another fun parallel is that Bryce is formally engaged to Cormac; while Lorcan is bound by the Blood Oath to Maeve at the time in both scenes - just like Elain formerly was with Graysen and then bound through the Mating Bond with Lucien - which were all the reasons why they couldn't do what they wanted to... Yet. 👀

Yet, will you look at that... Elorcan and Quinlar were endgame.

Through ✨️Free Will. Choice. True Love.✨️

I can't wait for Elriel to both finally figure it out and prove the Cauldron and "the forces that be" wrong and trump any predestined mating bond 😌

🥖🫓🥨🥐🍞👥️👀

*this has been in my drafts for a month while re-reading, and I haven't finished HoFaS yet, but pretty sure it still applies well 😜

[coeurdelain]

« Sarah said that the next book is obvious and in the bonus chapter it’s obvious that Gwyn and Az are endgame/mates »

?????

How a bonus chapter that has been translated in only two languages (portuguese and english) and who was only in a few special editions is supposed to be obvious ?

They tell you that it's obvious then tell you about a bonus chapter that has only been read by a minority of people.

Something that is not known by everyone cannot be obvious.

Especially when these people are doing maths and try to do parallels with Quinlar to prove that Gwyn and Az are mates. So if you need to do all of this to prove your ship, it’s maybe because your ship is a crackship and a ship who is absolutely not obvious for the majority of people.

Conclusion : Sarah wasn’t talking about gwynriel when she said it was obvious.

[shadowqueenjude]

Sjm hasn’t done this yet! Sjm hasn’t done that yet! Therefore elriel is endgame! Chosen mates? Quinlar Reluctant mates? Elucien Friends to lovers? Gwynriel Rejected mates? Eris and Mor Sjm doesn’t need to make Elriel happen in order to make every single trope you want happen.

[gwynrieldreams]

[MASTERLIST]

Greek Mythology in the Maasverse

Greek Influences pt 1: Throne of Glass

Greek Influences pt 2 i: ACOTAR

Greek Influences pt 2 ii: ACOTAR

Greek Influences pt 3 i: Crescent City

Greek Influences pt 3 ii: Crescent City

Acotar: An Eros and Psyche Retelling

The Archeron sisters and their connection to triple deities in greek mythology

The Drop from Crescent City and its connection to the Eleusinian Mysteries, one of the most famous rites in ancient Greece.

Theories

Dusk Court Theory/Gwyn is Starborn pt 1: Similarities with Bryce

Dusk Court Theory/Gwyn is Starborn pt 2: Connection to Gwydion

Mating bond - Eugenics?

How Gwynriel and Elucien mirror Quinlar and Satharion

Amren and Fury Axtar Parallels

Gwynriel

Azriel Bonus Chapter Analysis pt 1: Literary devices

Azriel Bonus Chapter Analysis pt 2: Mating Language

More reasons why I believe Gwynriel is endgame

Azriel's Shadows Analysis pt 1

Azriel's Shadows Analysis pt 2

Reasons why I believe the gwynriel book will be Gwyn-centered

Debunking the "evil" Gwyn theory

Gwyn is not a child

A thing of secret lovely beauty ~ Analysis

Gwyn and Rhysand Parallels

Elucien

Elain - Lucien - Azriel: Parallels to Greek and Welsh Myths

Elucien vs E/riel pt 1: Why Lucien is the better choice for Elain

Elucien vs E/riel pt 2: Why elucien makes more sense from a narrative standpoint

Defending Lucien Vanserra

Elriel - Cheating trope

The Elucien Bond - The word thread(s) - Debunking that it's a spell

Nesta/Valkyries

ACOSF: A Taming of the Shrew Retelling

Why Emerie wasn't the only one worthy to win the Blood Rite.

Translations in Greek

All acotar and crescent city bonus chapters translated in greek

My fanarts

Gwynriel

Fun Posts

Gwynriel/Elucien Bingo Cards

Gwyneth Berdara High Lady of Dusk Court Headcanon: Gwydion Dress

Gwyneth Berdara Priestess, Water~Nymph

Biblically accurate Gwyn

Gwyn Berdara Aesthetic

Colour Analysis: ACOTAR Pt 1 Pt 2

Colour Analysis: Throne of Glass Pt 1 Pt 2

Colour Analysis: Crescent City Pt 1 Pt 2

The ACOTAR girlies in formal dresses

Nails for the ACOTAR girlies

Nails for the TOG girlies

Nails for the CC girlies

Nails for each ACOTAR Court

Feysand wedding ring

Acotar girlies wedding rings

Rowaelin wedding rings

Day Court is inspired by Ancient Egypt headcanon

[bookofmirth]

I know most didn't doubt quinlar, but now that we know they've made it to endgame does this make elucien look even more promising to you? elriels should be worried, sjm really does love her fated mates. As an elucien, I guess I'm just really happy right now. Also, this means sjm was being completely honest in her interview last September when she confirmed quinlar are mates mates, so I hope this narrative that she is intentionally deceitful with the fanbase stops.

yeah people doubting quinlar was a weird fever dream, but at least that one was over relatively quick.

Look, they should have been worried from day one, but... here we are. She gave Bryaxis a mate. She made a joke about the House of Wind getting a mate. She's already told us what happens when a mating bond is rejected and it's bad shit. Every single book describes the mating bond as being the end-all-be-all of romance. Every single character (who grew up fae) wants one. They revere it. Every single book that comes out there are more mates and they are always endgame, it's just evidence on evidence and I guess if people want to ignore that... well that's their business.

I agree that she's not deceitful - people just have crazy expectations that don't match up with the reality of the type of author she is.