#ptol

[kentuckycaverats]

3 for Ptolemy!

3. most expensive purchase/how they spend disposable income

this piece of junk beaut right here!!

they work as a ghost tour guide (lots of those in charleston) and it's not a terribly lucrative gig so this bad boy's about the best they could manage. plus, they live with/take care of their gran who's....something of the eccentric, free spirit, cryptid-enthusiast-slash-monster-hunter type and is no longer employed, so ptol handles most of the bills and groceries and practical life type stuff, which doesn't leave terribly much in the way of disposable income.

(they're a mastigos psychonaut, though, so there's always a little money stashed away for the essentials. you know how it is)

[mutopians]

watching howl's moving castle and i am having a VISION for a bartseq au. sophie is kitty, howl is nathaniel, and bartimaeus is calcifer, obviously

[sebsxphia]

OH NO THE PERIOD DRABBLE WITH PREACHER RHETT IS TURNING INTO A LITTLE FIC

oops

[hapalopus]

I still have BartSeq on the brain but... these lyrics are so Ptol/Bart

If I could draw I'd make an animatic

[jeannereames]

So you said you hoped they didn't use those nicknames, Alex, Heph, and Ptol. I thought Heph was a little weird, but I didn't mind the others. What nicknames would you have suggested instead? You said you suggested Greek ones. What were they?

Ah.... I'm glad somebody asked!

First, I've talked HERE about nicknames and endearments in ancient Greece. It's not the same as now. Not every culture makes nicknames by shortening. Yet even in my own novels I used nicknames to make unfamiliar names more accessible to readers.

So I get why nicknames might be valuable. But it's possible to use more likely ones!

What would be natural Greek nicknames? First, the names we know them by are Latinized, not their real names. In Dancing with the Lion I used the actual Greek, because it affected only a few and weren't that different. But here are the Latin, Greek, and known/likely nicknames.

Alexander = Alexandros (a-LEX-an-dros) = Aleko(s)

Ptolemy = Ptolemaios (tol-eh-MAI-os) = Ptolas

Hephaestion = Hephaistion (he-pais-TEE-on) = Phaistas/Phaiton

"Alex" and "Tol" aren't that far off. But "Heph"? Really? HUGH HEFNER is who immediately comes to mind: give him a pipe and a smoking robe. Maybe they thought "young people won't know..." but chatting with a 23-year-old student, that was the first thing she said. "It sounds like Hugh Hefner."

Virtually all I've heard from people is ridicule for the nicknames. This is one thing I completely disavow all responsibility for. I told them.

[spectres-fulcrum]

Nooooo they did the visit to Achilles shrine and did the Alexander/Achilles stuff but didn't highlight Patroclus or Hephaestion as his Patroclus in any way shape or form. They even had Alexander go "Ptol(emy) should be here" and I was like um no.

Cause it was not a simple pilgrimage of worship. It was was two men who deeply loved each other and saw their deep love and deep friendship in these men who lived and loved so long before them-and they also believed was related to Alexander.

Ptolemy would not have made since to be included in that scene as he would've ruined the purpose of including Hephaestion

This thing. I like it on it's own(LOVE, like utterly obsessed, with the differences between Persia and Macedon, Memnon's intro scene was fantastic) but my teenage self is screaming "Inaccurate! Pause so we can check that! What about XYZ?"

[ani4detal]

Alexander the Great. And Heph. Happy Valentine's Day guys! Oh, you too Ptol...

From the Netflix series. Very well done!

[nereiids]

what really sold me on this was the companions calling each other “alex” “heph” “ptol”

[my-chiliarch]

So, you know the infamous nicknames "Alex", "Heph" and "Ptol" they used in Netflix docuseries Alexander: The Making of a God?

In the Italian dub, they don't exist. The translation/adaptation changed all the nicknames into their full names. I don't know the official reason, but my guess is that the translator found them too cringe, and perhaps they didn't want people to blame the dub for that (unfortunately, it happens).

Anyway, the voice actors also did their best to fit entire names where the original actors were just saying the short version:

I'll have to say, that was a good decision. I don't usually watch dubbed shows, but in this specific case the docuseries sounds a bit more serious in Italian.

[kentuckycaverats]

18.) & 19.) for Del and Ptol!!

18. how easy is it to become their enemy?

DEL: easiest thing in the world. all it takes is looking at her the wrong way, looking at mitra the wrong way, threatening/attacking the coterie or tara or her touchstones, being sabbat, being the sire of a coterie member, fucking with her head, or being a toreador.

PTOL: pretty difficult! they're super non-confrontational, so an enemy is "someone actively trying to kill me or my friends". any conflict or antagonism short of that is just "someone being an asshole."

19. how easy is it to become their friend?

DEL: lmaoooo good luck dude. it was different when she was mortal, but these days you've gotta be neville, the old mortal stoner ladies in her pottery class, or the coterie to be considered a friend; either fun and objectively harmless, or having proved to her you can be trusted to not sell her out.

PTOL: have you spoken to them more than one (1) time? do they know you by name? you're a friend! everyone's a friend until proven otherwise.

[whumpster-fire]

#no listen I can get behind this#ptolomy must have had brown eyes#and we usually draw bart with yellow eyes as a visual shorthand even though in the book I don't think he usually messed around#with ptols appearance#but really light and intense blue eyes? thats eerie#cool idea#the bartimaeus sequence#bartimaeus trilogy

Yes and it's not just "Ptolemy would presumably have brown eyes," Bartimaeus in Ptolemy's form is repeatedly and explicitly described as having 'dark eyes,' and even when his eyes are described as uncanny and not quite human the imagery used is something along the lines of "dark and deep, like looking down into an infinite void full of stars, and staring into them gives you vertigo." I love the depictions of him with yellow eyes but the canon answer is that they're dark brown, and if Bartimaeus is actually physically changing them when he's pissed off and trying to be intimidating and it's not just body language then then he's probably making them solid black like the eyes of a ferret.

Bartimaeus Nathaniel

[hapalopus]

Do you ever think about how Ptolemy's complete lack of self-preservation is what allowed him to be friends with Bartimaeus? And how Bart is nothing but self-preservation, surviving longer than any other djinni in the books? Ptol died when he was 14. Him and Bart had known each other for 2 years. 2 years out of Bart's then 3000 year long life. And because Bart's main goal has always been survival, Ptol's memory has lived on for another 2000 years.

[jeannereames]

Alex 😭😭😭 Heph 😭😭😭 Ptol 😭😭😭

They used them, didn't they? I told them not to, they sounded ridiculous, and I even provided better (Greek) nicknames. I figured they were going to ignore me.

[spectres-fulcrum]

I did finish binging the Alexander docuseries last night but by the end I had a migraine so I went to bed early and just hung out on my phone cause my mind was so not up for bed but it was the most light my head could handle(If I didn't move).

Overall, I did really enjoy it and I learned a lot. I didn't care much for the battles of Alexander in my fandom days, caring more for the relationships and people around him. I also just find imagining action pretty hard. I'm semi okay with Star Wars battles in space but I've like. grown up with them. They don't count. So I learned a lot about Alexander the tactician I think.

And I really did love the acted parts. Like can we get a full drama on Alexander, some TV network???? It could be SO LONG. Cause if there's one thing about Alexanders, they will never sastifyed. The Great, Hamilton, Claremont-Diaz, Kallus. Also: I hated the nicknames Heph and Alex(It's Phai and Xander thank you very much) but the stupid nickname Ptol grew on me. Ptol is so stupid but so cute. But I will never shut up about the lake make out scene cause it's so perfect and Phai giving Xander a place to be human and back out is so perfect.

I really did love the Persian parts too. It was great contrast, and perhaps happiness. Love between Stateira and Darius, luxury, Stateira's actions driven to protect her daughter in contrast to Phillip disowning Alexander when Alexander didn't like him siding with Attalus hoping his new wife would grant him a son, Barsine having to grow up so quickly. Memnon is always love for me and they did him very well. Darius deserved so much better than to be slain by a traitor. I could rant about Hephaestion being in Babylon after the death and how if that was accurate then in my fanfic where he and Drypetis fell in love during the Persian campagin then I could've used that for a good scene but it wasn't accurate so it was all hurt/no romantic comfort :(((((( And I'm kinda salty they changed that up not knowing what they were missing. But I'm not going to rant. (She had Bagoas though at least!)

I wanted so much more. Wanted Aristotle and the boys at Mieza and the flashbacks to taming Bucephalus(I cannot be bothered to check if that is the correct spelling) and more of the Persian royal family(Drypetis! Being strong during Stateira's death! Sisygambis!) and Bagoas and mentions of Phai being Xander's Patroclos and oh and Darius's brother and his daughter Amastris in the baggage train and more of the companions(Not including Leonnatus is a crime imo. Just cause I like Leonnatus).

Like I recognize they needed a small cast but also-a girl can dream. A girl can dream of what she was teased with. One day, maybe we'll get a proper series. *le sigh* I did really like that Lloyd historian guy too.

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[whumpster-fire]

#also ptol was a little shit and bart knew it#every human bart loves is a little shit

True and valid, this is canon because you have to be a certain level of annoying for Bartimaeus to like or respect you. And this doesn't just apply to humans either: Queezle spends like half of the brief glimpse we get of her making fun of Bartimaeus and back-talking their master, and she's basically the only spirit Bartimaeus speaks of in entirely positive terms. Bartimaeus doesn't like Faquarl, but he has at least grudging respect for him, and Faquarl is extremely obnoxious.

We all agree that Bartimaeus is not objective when he talks about Ptolemy, the way everyone does when remembering someone who is gone. 

But hear me out: Ptolemy was really kind the way Bart remembers, yes; but with spirits only. With humans he was a little shit. And you know with whom he was the shittiest little shit? Not his family, oh no: scholars. He was his most savage and feral in the library of Alexandria with his colleagues, and everyone were terrified of him, because they knew Ptolemy could destroy them with few words about their latest theory. “Look, Rekhyt, the library is all for us!” “Yes, I wonder why…”

So, humour me: after PG, Nathaniel is stuck in bed for weeks, Kitty is there to keep him company and Bart starts telling stories. And then he tells the one about Ptolemy and the three scholars he made cry in the library of Alexandria.

“… that was… harsh”.

“He wasn’t harsh, Kitty, he was very polite. Like always”.

“They cried, Bartimaeus”.

“They were wrong, Kitty”.

And then Nathaniel, who seemed half-asleep, says: “Well, once, when I was Whitwell’s apprentice, I made an essay to prove wrong an undersecretary. I think he cried, too”.

Bartimaeus is impressed. Kitty is horrified.