#professor layton vs pheonix wright

[youronlydrpepper]

Genuinely forgot to post these shitposts

Made these after I played the PL v PW game

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[graceful-not]

.....Well. that's plvspw finished. Im probably gonna write like,,, a review of what I thought of all the Layton games and things I think should have been changed later. Until then, I'll probably be liveblogging Eternal Diva! :P

[karuma-meii]

I think you're being a tad optimistic there Luke

[cat-shouty-13]

Hello gang how we feeling

Notes on the "they are communicating" I think that Susato was imitating van Zieks when posing as Ryutaro

Capcom showed me a lawyer who enters court wearing a cloak/cape only to take it off later and I went yeah that's an intentional parallel

[pumpkinsy0]

therapy is watching ur gf play Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright

cause then this comes out of it

[inbarfink]

[duelingninjaphoenix]

[eshasunrise]

On Professor Layton Vs Pheonix Wright

No spoilers, but I talk about PWPL for a long time under the cut.

The most frustrating part of Phoenix Wright vs Professor Layton is the way it treats its lead characters. The two do their jobs well, Phoenix is the same goofy, down on his luck lawyer he always is, and Layton is as charismatic and clever as you'd expect, but there in lies the problem. Neither character is really explored to any real degree beyond what's already been established. And I get it; dubiously canon crossover made by two disagreeing companies designed to be an entrypoint into both series. It's better to play things safe, not change too much, and use the best parts of both series against each other. And to be fair, they do that with aplomb. The AA and PL character designs mesh beautifully together, especially after the hard work unifying the main characters. The Puzzles are an excellent addition to the investigation segments, and the court cases do a great job dredging out the minutia of the larger than life story and setpieces.

But Layton is a man with far too much intrigue and nuance to just be the confident windfall, and if there's one thing the Ace Attorney Franchise is good at, it's nuance.

Professor Hershel Layton is a man defined by three things: his gentlemanly demeanor, his love of puzzles, and his willingness to always lend a hand. But the Layton of Lore and the Layton we play as are two subtly different men. Hershel is truly a gentleman, no doubt about it, but he's cautious, aloof, and reserved. He won't meddle in matters that don't interest him or call upon him in the first place. He also never speaks of his past or his family. We know how secretive he is about his lost love, and how he becomes estranged from his children in the near future. This speaks of a man afraid, one who wants with all his heart to be always there, yet frequently is one moment too late. One who can be relied upon, but who ends up falling just short. One who strives to shoulder the burden of others, but ends up taking the praise as well.

A man who strives to be Phoenix Wright.

Phoenix is known to be a bumbling mess of a man, who wears his heart on his sleeve, hinges his bets on bluffs, and is responsible for overturning law and order in his country. Yet the Phoenix we play as isn't that man, despite what he thinks. He's somebody who knows people well, and can tell when someone is innocent, and will put his own life and reputation on the line if it means protecting that, even against his own better judgement. He's a man whose bluffs are more thought out than the carefully constructed alibis of men with more power and time than he'll ever hope to have. He's a man who overturned law, not through excess trust or gullibility, but his willingness to call out corruption while protecting as many people as possible from the fallout of his actions. He couldn't have begun to change things the way he did were it not for the trust and love others put in him, or his dedication to the truth above all else. Phoenix Wright has, without fail, shown himself to be someone to fall back on. Someone who will shoulder your burdens, hell, someone who will take the consequences of your mistakes and victimhood onto himself if it means making sure you can wake up happier three days from now, and refuses to let it go until justice is served. He takes the blame for the Dark Age of Law not because nobody else could; it's easy to point to Gavin, Gant, and Karma, but because nobody else can. He will carry the consequence of horrid people for the rest of his life, egg on his face (or coffee), trudging through hell until a better tomorrow comes, all the while thriving against odds stacked so far against him it's a miracle he's even alive.

That is the man Hershel Layton longs to be, the man he goes out of his way to become every day of his life, and the man Phoenix Wright is by simply being his own goofy, bumbling, easily panicked self. It could be said that, for as soft and kind as Layton is, his drive to be a gentleman distances himself from being the protector he wants to be. For as brilliant as he can be, it doesn't help much when he doesn't have the answer. With all the time he spends trying to help others, he never lets himself move on from, or share, his own pain.

And that's why Luke needs to be framed for murder.

Imagine: a situation that Layton cannot deal with. One he couldn't expect. Set it up so he sees Luke holding the bloody weapon in the body of the scared victim. So caught in the moment he just can't put together any other alternative, try as he might. That's where Phoenix comes in. Immediately knowing Luke wouldn't do such a thing, he takes the case before a case can be made, even as Luke second guesses himself and Layton is sent to testify. He's made to put together evidence pointing directly to Luke's guilt. And just as all seems lost, he turns the question on its head, asks why Luke can't be guilty, and that's when he asks Layton for help with one thing; a puzzle. By reframing this impossible situation into Hershel's field of expertise, removing all elements of trauma and impossibility, Layton reorients himself, adjusts his testimony, and slowly the truth begins to unravel. Press after press, puzzle after puzzle, piece after piece, and just as a dead end seems to be in sight, who else should interject but the real murderer, panicking from how close they've gotten, pointing out the logical flaw, in turn outing himself as the true killer to Phoenix and, more importantly, Hershel.

And you do not hurt Hershel's friend.

A duel of words breaks out (likely a game/framing mechanic unique to this sequel) where Layton takes command of the conversation and trial, pressing the Murderer further and further into a corner until, at one point, he slips. Layton backs off and confidently hands the floor back to Phoenix, who immediately presents the evidence that contradicts the pressed statement. The prosecutor has to object to a confession made out of duress, but at this point, the damage to the alibi is done, and the Murderer can't weasel his way out any more. One more round of testimony, and one more puzzle to present a piece of evidence, and the case is closed.

Afterwards, Layton can't help but cry as he hugs Luke, realizing the man who had been put down all game, whose made himself out to be a fool and jumped to harebrained conclusions to just barely be proven right, was the man who not only saved them, but the man he aspired to be like his whole life. Someone who can shoulder the pain of others until it's light enough to carry. Someone who accepts his own past, and lets it guide him forward without weighing him down. Someone who can stare defeat, even death, in the eyes, panicking all the while, then turn around, point his finger, and demands one more answer, over and over until the truth has come out. Someone who can solve even the most impossible of puzzles, when all he has to go on is a hunch, and trust that it can be done. (I'd also like to foreshadow this by having the first puzzle on Wright's side be a Sudoku puzzle, specifically, one where you have to take a leap of faith at turn one to solve, trial and error-ing the first move with little penalty).

Basically, a game where Phoenix is on the back foot and Layton can support him is great, but a finale where Layton is in a no-win scenario, and Phoenix can see him through by bringing out what Layton can do best, that would be excellent.

[braidpoll]

ROUND 5 PART 1

[hyunlixsbbygirl]

Professor Layton Playthrough

Hello Everyone!

Since I am currently healing from surgery; I have decided to play through the full Professor Layton series! While I won’t be blogging about each game individually like a series, I do want to document a few things regarding the games.

I have decided to play the games in chronological order rather than release order, so the play through will go as follows:

The Last Specter

The Miracle Mask

The Azran Legacy

The Curious Village

The Diabolical Box

The Unwound Future

I will also be playing the cross over game with Pheonix Wright and Katrielle’s Journey after I complete the main 6 games above. Below the cut, I will be updating my progress on each game.

The Last Specter

Played: May 28th - 29th

Total Time: 14 hours and 34 minutes

Rating: ★★★☆☆

The storyline was a little hard to get into and a bit confusing. Some of the puzzles were too hard to solve even with using all 4 hints. Overall, the story was okay but there left much to be desired. I would still play it again though.

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The Miracle Mask

Played: May 29th -

[jovial-gender-jester]

for porting & distributing the ace attorney series, i personally think that

-the first 4 aa games should be bundled [how did trucy sneak in there??]

- buying the bundle, or any of the first games offers a coupon to any of the sequels or prequels [investigations, great ace attorney, professor layton vs pheonix wright, merch]

-aa5 & 6 should be an obnoxiously high price, so fans are encouraged to look into reviews, watch playthroughs, borrow copies from their friends [make sure to ask those Pretty, Intelligent, Really Awesome, Techy Sources], or make the wise decision of not wasting their money on games that're overall abysmal to the franchise but also make me sad cuz i really really wanted them to be good....

-ok. really cheap price. so gamers feel better about getting cheated out of a substantially good story [especially for aa6]

[cat-shouty-13]

Clocking out after a long day at the making funny images factory

Notes on this post:

More people should acknowledge the fact Van Zieks has, at the very least, Dutch ancestry

The Stronghart parakeet one is in reference to the last escapade

The layton crossover and tgaa are linked and I will not apologise for lumping them together (when I have finished playing plvsaa with my friend then I shall make a similar thing I did with the Ryuu dad post)

The last two are from my Ryuu mum post ! They were kinda small tho

The rare trilogy memes

Please can someone give me transparent plvsaa character sprites PLEASE

I'm so sorry benbaro tag I promise I'll draw something before I make one of these again

(There's too many people here to tag properly, please forgive me Kira, Lady Baskerville, Ayame Mikotoba, Ryusei Naruhodo and Mrs Asogi 😔)

(You can find my names for the dead mum club on my Ryusei post if it so takes your fancy)

[graceful-not]

gonna start liveblogging Professor Layton vs Pheonix Wright now!! still gonna be under the "Layton Live" tag, but. Yeah.

[decodad]

not sure if this is what your post about crossovers was aiming for, but tbh it reminded me a lot of my initial reaction to Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright being, "wait, this is a thing that really exists? that's hilarious!" because my first exposure to it was through fanfiction. and then it turned out that the game is like, really really good. And i think it works so well specifically because it does not mesh at all. if that makes sense

that's really interesting!! i knew of the professor layton and pheonix wright crossover even before i'd gotten into ace attorney, but i'd never really thought all that much of it. granted, i don't have very much familiarity with the source material, so i don't have much of a reaction, but it seems that a deep familiarity does not preclude people from being shocked by a given crossover.

that's not to say there aren't crossovers that don't also make me confused, mind, i just try not to give people a hard time for it. i suppose then my real question is why people get so bewildered to the point of being like... offended?

[wowwforever]

Mainline:

Ace Attorney

Ace Attorney Trials and Tribulations

Apollo Justice

Ace Attorney Dual Destinies

Ghost Trick

Filler Episodes

Ace Attorney Justice for All

Side Games Where Phoenix Fucks Up England, I Guess

Great Ace Attorney 1+2

Professor Layton vs the Ace Attorney

Among Us (Far Distant Future)

AU Where Phoenix Dies in England during Professor Layton vs the Ace Attorney

Miles Edgeworth Investigations 1, 2

Side Games Where Pheonix Wright Gets Really Popular And Sells His Likeness to a Gambling Company

CR Gyakuten Saiban

Pachislot Gyakuten Saiban

Phoenix Wright Trying to Recall his Memories Poorly

Ace Attorney Anime

Hallucinations Cause by Richard Wellington Hitting Phoenix in the Head

MVC3

Puzzle Fighter

Taiko no Tatsujin

Puzzle and Dragons

Ace Attorney Spirit of Justice

making an alternate version of this poll as a dedicated post so it shows up in tags, so hopefully it'll reach more people who have an actual opinion this time

[stickystucklikeglue]

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Happy holidays <3!