#ppl like this also love claiming to be against harassment when so many ppl just expressing an opinion get a fuckton of harassment from them

[mithliya]

honestly i wish those assholes would stop 1) harrassing you of course, because clearly it's disgusting to harras you just because you've been abused and 2) doing it in the name of goldstar positivity. goldstar positivity is about smashing the stereotypes against goldstar lesbians and fighting the hatred against this term in general, for example. and fighting non goldstar lesbophobia isn’t about bullying lesbian victims of rape and abuse, it's about calling out these women who've had tons of crushes on men (actual crushes), slept with men and enjoyed it, and overall are attracted to men but still call themselves lesbians - but there's a clear and obvious difference between them and a victim of abuse. these fake lesbians will openly claim they enjoyed sex with men before and have already been in love with a man, it's not the same thing as someone being abused and coerced. and at the end of the day, while sometimes it's obvious that self proclaimed lesbians aren't actually homosexual, many times it also isn’t because you can't know how the person felt inside. like, if a woman tells you she felt coerced into being with men, or felt like she's had to for whatever reason, well you can't know if it's true or not, and the best thing to do is to leave that person alone. unless she spreads lesbophobic rhetoric like "lesbians can like men sometimes!" it really isn’t harmful, and attacking her is risking to attack a victim of abuse or trauma of any kind so... idk better leave her alone???

anyway i just wanted to say you have my support, i'm a goldstar and i absolutely hate how many other goldstar seem to treat you, you're absolutely amazing, i love your blog and everything you do online for women and lesbians. you're a queen clearly !

if a woman tells you she felt coerced into being with men, or felt like she's had to for whatever reason, well you can't know if it's true or not, and the best thing to do is to leave that person alone. unless she spreads lesbophobic rhetoric like "lesbians can like men sometimes!" it really isn’t harmful, and attacking her is risking to attack a victim of abuse or trauma of any kind so... idk better leave her alone???

exactly!! i’ve said this before but the fact that they’re willing to say any woman talking about her trauma or abuse is a liar (bc accepting that to be true would mean they don’t have a basis for harassing her for their presumptions on her sexual orientation) is so vile to me. do they have 0 conscience that they’re willing to risk being the people who are calling a rape & abuse victim a liar? do they not realise that they might be wrong in their assumptions and in that case, they’re simply horrible people?

like if someone lies about those things then that’s a reflection of them and there’s no justification for such behaviour but to accuse ppl of lying about their trauma with such little basis means being willing to potentially call an actual victim a liar. no matter how much i might dislike any woman on here, no matter how shitty she is or whether i believe her when she says she’s a lesbian or not, i can’t imagine ever being shitty enough to tell her she must be lying about being coerced or abused or raped or whatever else.

thank u sweet anon for ur kind words ❤️

[the-nado-hunter]

Soooooooooooooooo you're an anti?? People can ship whatever they want, including USUK - it doesn't bother anyone 🙄

lmao please don't start with this crap. I made a funny post bc I see France, America, Canada, and England as a family unit, and because of that I didn't want someone to tag my post talking about them as a family, as a family, as a ship - I was even trying to make sure by putting a * when asking it not to be tagged if someone shares that post to make sure the ship tag wasn't accidentally tagged. Tho it prolly will be now bc you mention it in your ask. I haven't gone out of my way to bug anyone, if I've said an opinion its on my blog, and I've made it clear what I am and am not comfortable with.

I'm even MORE fair with US/*UK people than most things because I know that with a show like Hetalia there's ppl who are in the fandom that haven't watched the show/read the manga, they got into it just because of the characters/fandom - so I'm not going to assume everyone is purposefully going sweet home Alabama and trying to actively ship two people that canonically had a father - son (or at the very least older brother younger brother dynamic where you have scenes like England holding a tiny America and singing him a lullaby) and I get, I GET that Hetalia has some of the grey area with the twilight problem with immortal people being born at vastly different times. I've purposefully not tried to start shit because I REALLY do not have the capacity these days to do it, I'm burnt out. I just want to like what I like in peace without someone trying to start beef.

I just don't like it. I'm uncomfortable with it. I don't want to consume anything to do with it. I personally find it weird, even in fiction (since I know someone is going to bring that up) And I AM FREE TO EXPRESS THAT ON MY OWN BLOG. I will draw/write them as a family, because that is my prerogative, I see Arthur as a cranky dad that had to raise twins, and i'm allowed to express that, and I will ask people not to tag characters I see as family as a ship. Since you want to pull out the "anti" shit- by anti-anti logic, you 'just want to be left alone' right? So leave me alone?? Too??? Especially since even tho I could go on a crusade I chose not to because I don't want to start shit that's already been discussed and people already have their stances on.

Don't even start with me on this shit because I've already been dealing with you lot coming for me for just expressing an opinion in another fandom and I'm not going to let you ruin something else I love when everything out there is already shitty.

[jeriafterdark]

813 - The Reprise, Part 2/?

Part One here

Part three here

Masterpost for all parts

A lot has gone down since my last post, I'll try to summarize it all here.

To recap, previously on the Reprise, Part 1: Uncle Li stepped in to stand up for ZZH and c-ent as a whole against CAPA and other shadowy so-called authorities that are trying to manipulate public opinion behind the scenes for their own profit. Weibo kept muting and unmuting his posts, so it got to the point where he threatened to sue CAPA (because he believes Weibo is not responsible for threatening his content) with ZZH to get them to apologize to ZZH and reduce their power and influence over c-ent.

----new update below----

So as of my last post, Uncle Li has been busy at work dealing with CAPA + in contact with ZZH’s family.

Don't worry, he knows what he's doing.

All this information is compiled from tireless hard work of this user, this user, and other users which will be cited below.

November 25-27, 2021

1. A twitter user posted (in Thai) about Uncle Li’s background

I don’t speak or read Thai, but the gist of what I got was: he’s a famous director near retirement age who is part of a lot of long-standing organizations in media and has connections with the military. He also has a history of investigative journalism and has demonstrated staunch support for his country.

2. This article from whatsonweibo.com is following the story and posted an update for what’s happened Nov 25-26

3. ZZH and Uncle Li join forces - He gives a voice to ZZH’s family’s struggles

Uncle Li mentioned that he is now in contact with ZZH’s family, and they are both cooperating it seems? He posts some revelations about what’s happened since 813, and it’s really heartbreaking

His mother has been a staunch ally to China’s political party, so being accused of being traitors was awful. People sent Japanese wreaths to his family, harassing him, calling him and his fam traitors, etc.

TW : suicide - his mother apparently thought about hurting herself seriously due to all the accusations? It’s just awful… he and his family have been harassed immensely since August.

Uncle Li goes on to say that even if anyone, ZZH or his fam or anyone else, are deemed traitors, they must be given a chance to deny these claims and prove themselves. Mistakes happen all the time, and people need to be given chances to rectify those mistakes. Deplatforming and silencing ZZH and his family doesn’t make any sense, and will only hurt their society as a whole.

Video of ZZH and his Ma, he really loves her

The people who stood by ZZH’s side despite all of these threats, harassment, potential blacklisting… they’re really special. The kind of people you’d want to meet even just once in your lives. (Yes I’m implying JunZhe, but also his friends Susu and Xiao Yu, his family, the people who never deleted him from their histories including Sun Xilun (Chengling)).

4. Uncle Li’s videos and weibo posts keep getting muted/unmuted + users who interact with him are getting shadow banned

SO he’s been very active in dismantling CAPA’s perceived narrative that they’re a legitimate organization. Weibo, however, has been randomly muting and unmuting his videos, it looks like programmers are fighting each other to mute and unmute constantly. He emphasizes that he believes Weibo’s execs aren’t behind this, and it’s probably the shady venture people (rich ppl with power) behind the scenes that are trying to silence him and his followers.

He and his team of lawyers are taking tips from netizens + doing their own extensive background research on ZZH’s case and the shadiness of the business dealings behind CAPA. He’s posting very frequently just ROASTING THEM SOME MORE. Some examples are their utter lack of justification for boycotting ZZH because they said their rules for punishing people who act out of line are NOT retroactive. Then why did they punish ZZH when his incident happened in like 2018? Doesn’t make sense. (All of these pieces of evidence have been revealed already btw by many discerning fans. I’ve linked a PDF guide on ZZH’s case created by the wonderful twitter user mentioned above)

Some insiders from CAPA itself are helping Uncle Li build his case. They’ve given him some confidential documents - there’s apparently quite a bit of infighting within the organization itself, which IMO is JUST DESSERTS.

5. CAPA’s official weibo page turned off commenting

I wonder WHY. They haven’t actually come out to make any statements regarding Uncle Li’s accusations, from what I’ve seen

CAPA also scrubbed their list of leadership from their website, I’m assuming because they’re genuinely concerned now that the tide of public opinion is backing Uncle Li’s claims

6. Weibo Admin warns Uncle Li indirectly

Uncle Li is stepping on a lot of toes. From what I’ve seen so far, there’s a lot of nefarious groups acting in concert with each other. Weibo + CAPA + ventures business ppl are working in tandem to try and intimidate Uncle Li. Weibo itself posted a warning to not provoke government agencies nor should you try to “whitewash immoral celebrities” (i’m assuming they mean ZZH), or else the platform will mute you

Uncle Li posted about the conflict of interest with Weibo CEO Wang Gaofei. He’s not only part of the Weibo admin but also the vice chair of CAPA’s livestreaming subcommittee.

It’s also randomly deleting and muting people who are interacting with Uncle Li’s posts, so if you have Weibo and are interacting with his posts, please do it rationally so none of it can be used against you, him, or ZZH. And know that it’s possible the platform will ban you for it :x

7. People’s Communication (Part of the government news agency People’s Daily) published an article questioning the validity of CAPA’s boycott ability - check here for the really long screenshot of their article (in Mandarin)

8. Uncle Li’s absolute sass

A ZZH anti accused Uncle Li of crossing the political, national, and moral line by pursuing this quest, and he just sasses them as any old man would: try harder kid, his lawyers are putting in overtime

CAPA is taking down their list of leaders, so Uncle Li joked something to the tune of, Not only are they taking down people’s works, but they’re taking down their own leaders - the “takedown” term is the same as when ppl take down or take off works from platforms.

Uncle Li says that if you find his words to be untrue, go ahead and sue him, and if he’s found wrong, he will pay reparations and apologize. He’s so confident of his position (as he should be) that he’s not afraid to get sued by all the shady money dealers.

Uncle Li made a whole post about how CAPA is privately trying to intimidate him, but he stands strong because he believes in what he views is a more just and equal society. He truly believes that this entire struggle will benefit not only CAPA itself, but how entertainment business should be conducted with fairness. He even CALLS OUT the people behind the scenes for “attempting to launch an online campaign against me. That’s very shameless of you. It is also very scheming. You’ve underestimated the power of a just society and underestimated the power of the law. You’ve also given yourself too much credit and you’re being myopic about the success of a day’s victory. It’s true many big verified accounts (on weibo) are keeping silent. I very much understand where they’re coming from. Some of them don’t understand the internal workings of this industry, and some are just observing before taking sides. Many netizens urged me to contact the media myself. That’s not something I want to do currently. [OP note, they instead contacted HIM for interviews]. [...] I understand and don’t blame verified accounts for not supporting me publicly and I also don’t want all the media scrutiny to be on our industry.”

3. He goes on to mention that CAPA’s livestreaming committee has someone who is a VP of a pay-to-chat app and was found to be morally questionable. So it’s ironic that these are the people who are passing judgment as to who gets to be moral and who gets to be immoral

4. He says he will take all the legal responsibility and stand until the end.

What a champion, our Li, our Ye Baiyi, I’m just very concerned for him, I hope no one will try to do anything to him.

9. Uncle Li creates hashtag - “Justice for the people”[人民的公义] & others start speaking ZZH’s name and supporting Li

A film investor posted about how horrific cyberbullying is and dozens of reporters from mainstream media outlets have asked Uncle Li to give interviews.

Weibo refuses to allow his hashtag, “Justice for the people” trend to the top10 hot list even though right now it’s at 160 MILLION views + so many interactions. If you’re over 50million views you’re already on the top trending list. So???? Weibo??? Don’t make it look that obvious that you’re in on it ok?

HaoJingFang, the author who supported ZZH and GJ before, posted a cryptic weibo translated by this user:

The Long Night, she indicated it's the best film she has seen this year. An innocent man was killed by officials and businessmen, and all witnesses and those who investigated were dead one by one. Finally, it is the prosecutor Jiang Yang and his friends who stick to the end with their own lives, seek the truth and defend justice.

This is hinting at her knowledge and support of ZZH and what happened during the 813 incident - ZZH was also socially "killed" by officials and businessmen, and everyone who tried to stand up for him only made things worse or also got deplatformed (one guy i think tried to question if visiting the shrine at all is a bad thing? and got insta banned). Finally, Uncle Li swooped in to save the day. We'll see how this story ends, no one could possibly write a script like this lol.

10. Uncle Li meeting with official agency leaders on Monday - he will review his materials that he’s gathered with his lawyers with them.

Things are getting very serious, and people are watching and listening. Finally. I'm just so happy that people are FINALLY SAYING HIS NAME. Zhang Zhehan, I'm sorry, what they did to you and the people you love. Not everyone's hands are clean either. The public who quickly jumped on the bandwagon are also at fault. The antis. The water armies. I want this to be a happy ending, even if he decides to not return, I can see that it's a cesspool of special interests who are just using people like him as pawns in their quest for more and more profit, or more and more power. I hope Uncle Li can help.

My thoughts so far, TLDR:

So it looks like Uncle Li is successfully escalating all of the relevant issues up the command chain to even official agencies. I'm glad he's still keeping ZZH as part of the case. Some people accuse him of only using ZZH as a pawn in his greater quest to regulate CAPA and the other shady players industry. However, they gotta keep in mind that legal cases against powerful organizations or engrained ideas and structures need a solid case to represent your goal. And ZZH's is perfect, he did nothing illegal, but suffered massive repercussions due to a corrupt system. And it's easily provable in court.

Forgive me if my comparisons are inaccurate as I am unfamiliar with the court system in China, but as someone in the US, I can liken this to cases such as the landmark case Brown v Board of Education, where the NAACP chose the perfect candidates to argue that the doctrine "separate but equal" is truly unequal. They crafted their case before the Supreme court with Oliver Brown, a local father who wanted his daughter to go to the closest school available instead of having to walk 6 blocks to a bus stop to ride to a school for PoC far away. They specifically chose him to helm the case because he was a male + working father + solid case for his children's education, and knew these points would stand up in court. This ended up with the Supreme Court ruling to desegregate schools, a landmark ruling.

I'm assuming Uncle Li is trying to do something similar by combining his power with ZZH's case, and trying to get a ruling for not only ZZH, but for the c-ent industry as a whole. He firmly believes that he's doing the right thing, and I hope that he won't be harmed in this endeavor. It's truly what we all wanted, someone with power, someone uninvolved, to stand up with ZZH, SAY HIS NAME, and give him his voice back. Fingers crossed.

[yurtletheturtlehenderson]

i just wanna talk to someone abt this because i trust u and ppl on tumblr actually freak me out and scare me so…hear me out. im not at all opposed to byler and im not homophobic bc i dont particularly ship it as much as others. yes i do ship it some amount, but the only thing that worries me is homophobes. being a queer person in a homophobic family is reallt hard and u have to learn to grow with a fear of them hating u. im just afraid of how ppl will take it if byler is canon. again i am not against the ship. that being said i am a girl who simps over will byers and i adore the y/n x will dynamic they have. just wanted to tell someone bc a lot of ppl on this sight would call me homophobic and stuff over this

Aw honey... of course it's okay. And I'm sorry things have been like this. I totally get it. What's not okay is a fandom getting so protective over their ships they make people of afraid of not shipping something enough. (Long but necessary rant ahead. Sorry, but its worth it)

I'm gonna lose a lot of people here, and likely cause they don't want to read to the end to hear all I have to say, but here goes: I don't particularly ship Byler either. When most people hear this statement they immediately equate it with the statement "I don't think Will is gay and neither is Mike" (I feel like this is true for most queer ships, or just shipping culture in general?).... this could not be more wrong. For one, nobody ever immediately knows why someone ships something (and a lot of times, the person themselves don't understand/realize why they subconsciously pick to a specific pairing and cling to it so tightly) and while it's completely understandable to have become defensive, say, because you feel as though your own identity is under attack, it's so easy—natural even—for people to snap into survival mode and try to defend themselves. But as we've seen, this can, in the right circumstances, also feed the pre-existing cycle of offense and defense that is far too long and philosophical a discussion to dive into here and now.

No, for now I wanna just reiterate that just because someone admits to not being particularly hyper-enthused by a specific ship—yes, like Byler—doesn't mean they automatically hate it. I don't particularly campaign for Mileven either! I've been persuaded by both in the past, but I've never found myself at point where I'm making fan accounts surrounding the ship, pumping out content 24/7, and I certainly haven't felt compelled to bash anyone who ships the other. But ya know what? I will say, and I bet im not alone here, the more I encounter Mileven content/space OR Byler content/space, the more I'm driven away. Why? The fucking shipping wars.

Byler and Mileven shippers, hard-core super-shippers specifically speaking, are some of the most toxic fans I've ever encountered. Is it every one? No!! But most. Most. The most extreme ive heard/seen is horrific. I'm talking death threats, suicide baiting, doxing, constant harassment and just overall borderline cyberterrorism. It's fucking unacceptable. And the underlying theme here and why there's so much fear spreading throughout fandom spaces. Why someone felt the need to limit contact and come to someone they claimed to trust to anonymously admit they aren't frothing at the mouth for one of these aforementioned ships. (Thank u btw for feeling u could trust me) This is not okay!!! People have to see how wrong this is!!! Right?? Right?!

I have no idea how much people will respect all this considering the source: a 21 year old reader insert writer who dedicates most of her time to writing teenagers into the plot of stranger things with Will Byers as their love interest (yes, specifically fem presenting/ she/her pronoun users). So no, I wouldn't blame anyone for hearing me say the words "I'm not a big byler shipper" and assume it has anything to do with that. But I'd hope that anyone who knows me, or is at least willing to hear me out, will understand that I have stated many times (and likely will again cause im a ✨️repetitive bitch✨️) that when I was a teenager, I was going through the absolute worst years of my life. Like, it warmed me up the for 2020s, that's how bad it was for me. And the only thing that got me through (likely without falling into what I believe would have become some incredibly dangerous habits) was falling into a world I could completely disappear into and forget my own shitty world existed.

I found this series called The Maze Runner, fell absolutely in love with the books and the world and bought every copy I could get my hands on. And when that wasn't enough, I looked for every blogspace I could get my hands on. Enter tumblr. Not even five minutes into my new account and searching the maze runner tag do I find a short little story called an "x reader". I literally cried. I was so fucking alone cause, and I'll tell yall, in the span of 15 months, I put down my dog of 11 years, lost my great-grandmother, then my grandpa, then my great grandfather, and then my grandmother. I had reason to believe I would suddenly lose my best friend to depression, and then to top it off my parents got divorced. Granted things have definitely gotten brighter, but little 14 year old me was no where near a healthy state of mind, or body and stumbling across something that not only let me disappear from my collapsing world, but surrounded me in love and encouragement, no matter how corny or silly, by the characters I had fallen in love with was an indescribable experience. This. This is precisely why i write. If theres even a chance i can provide that for you, and God, in the 2020s of all time to be a teenager, than i want to. I want to pay it forward.

That being said, I'd also hope one would understand while things were on the mend, I wasn't fully recovered by the time stranger things came out and i decided to write for it. The grief and trauma was one thing but, another thing you guys might know about me if you've been following me for a while is in the past, I've struggled severely—and still do a great deal—with compulsory heterosexuality. And honestly, a little internalized homophobia I think. It's stuff I work on daily, and it's stuff, I'd be willing to bet, a lot more people deal with than you'd expect. It's for this reason, that I suspect hilariously enough, me a deeply closeted lesbian while planning an x (at the time fem!)reader rewrite for younger kids to escape into, was faced with the choice of a love interest and subconsciously chose one of the only semi-canonically gay male characters available. Yes, essentially, in my own comphet riddled brain, I subconsciously gave both the (fem)reader and Will Byers my own comphet.

But guess what? Characters evolve as the story evolves and that rings true for COSMIC. I wish I had stories back then that casually explored sexuality outside the confines of cisgender heterosexuality in a safe, fun, encouraging way. I also wish I had stories that led you down one story with one character only and suck you in only to change and evolve if needed to say, an opposite sex or nonbinary character as the new love interest and being able to do so cause the love interest was never THE PLOT in the first place. It certainly would have helped speed things along I think, and even if I wasn't its healthy to try things out/consider before saying, ya know I think this still feels right, I'm good! And that's okay!

I deeply deeply appreciate anyone who read this far. I completely understand how much i tend to blather and granted i didnt plan on going into the specifics of my childhood trauma but i felt it necessary info as to why on earth im preaching gay Will while i currently have a Will x fem!reader on my page (Again, dont worry. Im not about to disrespect/erase anything likely to come in s4, nor have is this is a sudden thing in COSMIC) and seemingly shitting on ships. Again, it's the over intense shippers, not the ships themselves and overall lack of byler content that failed to get my attention.

In conclusion, yes, I don't particularly ship Byler much like you dear nonnie, but anyone who automatically thinks that statement makes us homophobic really needs to take a step back and perhaps consider taking a break from public fandom space. If you as a byler OR mileven shipper feel confronted at every corner to a point you're jumping down others throats, you need to take a break from the internet. Draw your ship, write some fanfic if you still want to engage in fandom activities offline but take a break from the internet and prowling for any throat to jump down.

Blech. Rant over. I kinda accidentally combined it with the pre season 4 premiere disclaimer for Cosmic and how and why I have a will x reader with a fem reader copy and how that's going to be affected by s4 so that's prob why it's so long but I don't regret it. The point is, this is and always will be a safe space for fandom enjoyment and just hanging out and the last thing I want here is someone to be feel afraid or threatened in any way. I love you all so much and wish nothing but amazing things for you all. And thank you again, dear nonnie, for trusting me. It means a lot.

💕💕💕 - Yurtle

[kissimirrit]

I’m in love with your killudust fanarts but I’m a bit confused on where that ship stands in your ship list. What do you think about it? How long have you liked it?

One time, I think I must’ve seen you claiming that you started liking it more than killugon cuz you hated how twitter was being a major ass when it came to other types of ships that paired up Killua and Gon with other people.

So I’m curious: if you now like killudust more than killugon, are you gonna start making more killudust art? I’m just wondering about that cuz I thought about it so many times. It’s also okay if you’re not going to either. It’s whatever yk?

(hi! rereading my answer i noticed i come across as crass; so sorry if my tone reads as like i'm mad or upset or angry. talking about getting harassed just makes me feel exhausted).

i like killudust because it's funny and random and it makes me laugh.

ultimately when it comes to ships i like, if it can make me laugh, it shoots up into my top 3 favorites. my otps in any fandoms, the majority of the time, are crackships because i found them funny. my first crackship was gaz x GIR from invader zim when i was 8 or 9 (invader zim was also my first online fandom at around this time btw). i have ALWAYS loved crackships. i have ALWAYS loved silly pairings that made me laugh, whether they had canon basing or not (but them having no canon backing and being very random helped the funny-factor for me)

so as for where killudust stands on my ship list, it genuinely is my OTP for HxH (and in my top 3 for overall ships across all fandoms i am in). i used to REALLY love killugon because of all the silly scenarios one could make with them, because these two characters have such funny interactions!! i started being vocal about killua x gold dust girl in early-mid 2020, so that's a little over two years.

(note: i've talked about killudust on other servers i'm no longer in before these screenshots)

so i've considered killudust my #1 hxh ship for a little over two years, actually.

but unfortunately, romantic killugon has gotten pretty soured for me? i still love platonic/queerplatonic killugon don't get me wrong! but the way the fandom on twitter acts about ships that paired gon and killua with other people (and ESPECIALLY killua with female characters). like, being accused of heinous things and getting a bout of harassment SOLELY for being vocal about a crackship i liked and making silly drawings for it just absolutely severed any love i had for killugon in response. being called a homophobic pedophile (she's??? a card game character??? and it appears like she's within his age range if not a little bit older??? and even then i portray her as a fictional character he "waifus" and not an actual character. like???) and being called a proshipper (this word has been divorced of all meaning it literally means nothing anymore if ppl can just fling it at anyone who ships anything against the status-quo) for a non-problematic crackship just really killed any desire i had to make anymore content for killugon.

unfortunately hxh is no longer my hyperfixation, and hyperfixation is usually a big factor in fandom content i create. but sometimes i'll find a drive to create hxh content again (especially if my friends still into hxh manage to wrangle that inspiration and motivation out of me) and USUALLY i've noticed that motivation comes in the form of killudust. so the handful of times i've dipped my toes back into hxh after my hyperfixation ended was for killudust, so most likely if i were to make hxh content in the future again— it would probably be killudust. i'm a spiteful person by nature, so i'm definately not letting anything STOP me from making things i WANT to make. sometimes it even fuels me to make it even more when it's fresher.

but i hope this answers your questions! i appreciate that you've been paying attention to me, sometimes i just think i scream into a void where no one sees ahaha <3

[greensaplinggrace]

honestly THANK YOU for saying all that abt baghra bc i thought i was going crazy from not liking her??? bc i haven't read the books and only summaries of them on wiki and like. i dunno why ppl like her actually even in the show bc this guy, her son, is like "i wanna make the world better for us grisha" and she's just like "no." even tho he sees that she's MAKING HERSELF SICK from suppressing her powers! she's literally like in bed coughing in the flashback yet seem much healthier at the little palace. also like after everything, after her disapproval, after the fold, after centuries of waiting for the sun summoner.. he never abandons her. he makes sure she's cares for. he doesn't harm her. and i have to wonder if baghra has ever thanks him for that, for just not leaving her alone. like i dunno how im suppose ro believe aleks is a heartless villain when he still cares for his abusive mom like this. like has baghra even told her she loved him (honestly she reminds me of a classic emotionally unavailable asian parent but maybe that's just me). also im wondering if baghra ever told aleks that he had an aunt.. bc like.. now that u bring up her isolating him it's like hmmmm...

not at me being like alina... why do u trust the bitter old woman who literally beats u with a stick and verbally abuses u every chance she gets.. just bc she showed a bad painting... like.. pls use two braincells to see that who u figured out as his mother... is also using his protection..

like baghra could've upped and left with alina. but no. she stayed bc she knew she was safe under aleks's protection.

alsoim just impressed that after his first friend tried to drown him and harvest his bones... he didn't go into hiding???? he still wanted to make a safe heaven for grisha!!! HE STILL WANTED TO PROTECT GRISHA EVEN AFTER HIS GRISHA FRIEND TRIED TO KILL HIM FOR HIS FUCKEN BONES. like... this is the guy im suppose to believe is the villain???

honestly i feel like part of the reason why LB's plotlines seem so bad and disconnected (and sometimes outright racist but that's another rant) and why darkles is disproportionately more violent and villainous in the later books is bc she didn't expect the darkling to be so popular and wanted to stick with her guns of making him the villain. but also wanted the money from aleks's popularity. but like you can't have ur cake and eat it too.

Well thank you for sending this ask! It's very sweet and very passionate. I'm glad you liked my post! I didn't put as much thought into it as some of my others lol. I kind of just talked. But it was nice to be able to finally talk about some of the problems I have with both her character and the fandom/author's perception of her.

HERE is the post this is referring to, in case anyone's wondering.

👀👀 You've hit the nail on the head for so many things, here!

Baghra is extremely emotionally unavailable, basically to the point of neglect. She's also verbally and physically abusive, traits which I doubt were only reserved for her students and not her son. Baghra claims she would do anything to protect him, but I've known a lot of parents who have that mindset and yet still harm their children because they think it's "good for them".

Aleksander stays at Baghra's side for years, and even when they're opposing each other she's never too far away from him. Idk if you've read the books but he does eventually hurt her. And as much as I don't like Baghra, I think his actions were horrid. But I'm also honestly kind of surprised it took him so long lmao.

Yeah I mean, in terms of isolation, let's not forget that she never wanted to introduce him to his father, either. Baghra's sense of eternity clouds a lot of her judgments on relationships, which means she views most people as dust and therefore teaches her son to as well. The problem with that is that he's a growing child, and he needs those social and emotional attachments for healthy development.

I would bet quite a bit of money that Baghra has either never told him she loves him or she has told him so few times it's practically forgettable.

And everything becomes more complicated because so many of Baghra's actions are understandable because of her life and her history, but the impacts they have on the people around her, especially Aleksander, are permanently damaging. And the fact that that's never gone over in critical depth in the books or how it's glossed over in fandom is just very disconcerting. Like, acknowledging Baghra's failings doesn't mean we're excusing Aleksander's actions, it just means we're holding Baghra liable for her own. Which the fandom should be doing, considering she's the epitome of an abusive parental figure.

And Alina trusting Baghra over Aleksander is even more confusing! Especially in the show!! This is the woman who beat her and abused her and tortured her friends when they tiny little children (and who probably still does so now that they're adults). This is the woman who mocks you and harasses you and insults you on a regular basis. Why does Baghra revealing she's Aleksander's mother make Alina change her mind?! Like fuck, I'd just feel bad for Aleksander. No wonder he kept it a secret, I would too! And that painting is enough evidence?! Really?! A random painting shown to you by this abusive mentor that's been making your life hell. That's what you're going to betray your new lover over?

The friends trying to harvest his bones thing is a good point, too. I think Aleksander, especially show Aleksander, is incredibly idealistic. I think he cares too much for others - those he's deemed worth his care (a sentiment given to him by Baghra). Despite everything she's tried to teach him about hiding and abandoning others and never caring and never doing anything to help or reach out or connect with people, Aleksander still continues to do so. It's likely because he never got it from Baghra growing up, and so is desperate for those emotional needs to be fulfilled elsewhere.

His turning point, when Baghra tells him it was understandable that those kids tried to kill him because the world is such a hard place for them - that's crucial. And the reason it's possible as a motivating factor is because of that idealism and that desire to help and that desire to be everything his mother isn't. Baghra tells him this trauma he just experienced was because of the oppression of his people, and instead of following her lead and accepting that, going into hiding and abandoning everybody to their misery, he goes I can do something about that. I can make it so this never happens again. Which is usually how trauma like that combines with one's core personality traits at a young age, especially when there's none of the essential support systems in place to aid in recovery (ie, the role Baghra should have been filling but wasn't, because she decided to exacerbate the problem instead).

And yeah, one of my biggest problems with the ham-fisted "beating you over the head with a sledgehammer of evil deeds" look-how-bad-this-character-is! portrayal of the Darkling in the later books comes from the impression I get that Bardugo doesn't trust her readers. She's so desperate to have us hate this character and think him an irredeemable villain, not trusting any of her readers to engage critically with a morally gray character, that it feels quite a bit like condescending fucking bullshit. Which ew, I know how to engage with literature, thanks.

She really does seem to look down on a large part of her fandom, and imo, the infantilization of the female characters in her books seems to carry over to her impression of most of her female readers as well. Which is why the Darkling's character arc gets fucking destroyed. But he's still a good cash grab, of course, so she'll shake his dead corpse in front of the fandom for money every time she wants something from it.

Also! Another reason I think her plotlines feel disconnected (I'm sorry Bardugo I respect you as a person, but shit-) is because the writing in SaB is just bad. I mean, nevermind the absolutely nauseating implications of the way she portrays the Grisha as a persecuted group who's situation is never actually fully addressed as it should be, considering Grisha rights is what her main villain is fighting for (imo for a series called the Grishaverse, LB seems to be pretty anti Grisha), but her characters and story alone are just wrong for each other. They don't fit together.

And the ending is one of the main pieces of evidence in that regard! You can’t say the ending where Alina isn’t Grisha anymore is her “going back to where she started” when she’s always been Grisha. She just didn’t know she was Grisha because she denied that part of herself that she was born with.

Alina is reluctant to move forward or change, she struggles with adapting, and she’s very set on the things she’s grown attached to throughout her life. She also has some latent prejudices against the Grisha, and so denies the possibility of being Grisha for those reasons as well.

Alina’s lack of powers in the beginning of her life because she willfully doesn’t learn about them to avoid change versus her lack of powers at the end of the book when she’s accepted them and then they’re stripped away from her by outer forces are two entirely separate circumstances. You can’t make a parallel about lost powers and lack of Grisha status bringing her back to the start when she was always Grisha and she always had powers and she simply refused to come to terms with it because of personal reasons.

The first situation is an internal conflict that indicates a story about growth and a journey of self acceptance. Denying herself the opportunity to learn about her heritage and to find acceptance with a group of people like her because she’s tied to the past and because of the way she was raised is the setup for a narrative that tackles unlearning prejudice and learning how to connect with a part of her identity that was denied her and learning how to grow independent and self assured. It’s the setup for a different story entirely. The second situation is an external conflict that centers around the ‘corrupting influence of power’... for some reason.

In a world where Grisha do not have social, political, or economic power and they are hunted, centering your heroine’s journey of self acceptance and growth around an external conflict about... the corrupting influence of power (in a group of people that don’t actually have any power?!) just doesn’t work. It is literally impossible to connect the two stories Bardugo is trying to push in Shadow and Bone without seriously damaging the main character’s developmental arc.

The only way a narrative like this would work, claiming that she has gone back to where she started, is either a) if the Grisha weren’t actually a persecuted group and instead were apart of the upper class, or b) if the one bad connection between the two instances is acknowledged - that Alina denied a part of herself crucial to self acceptance and growing up, and that losing her powers at the end has also denied her. It is a tragedy, not a happy ending.

Alina suffered because she didn’t use her powers. She grew sick. It was bad for her. This was not a resistance to 'the corruption of power and the burden of greed', it was her suffering because she couldn’t fully accept herself.

Framing the ending as a return to the beginning can’t be done if you don’t address how bad the beginning was for your main character. You brought her back to a bad point in her life. You regressed her. This should be a low point in her arc. It should be a problem that’s solved so she can finish developing organically or it should be something that is acknowledged as a tragedy in it’s own right, for the future the world (the writing) denied her.

This is a ramble and it makes no sense and I’m really sorry, but my point is that Bardugo put the wrong characters in the wrong story. The character arc required for organic development doesn’t match the story and intended message at all. The narrative doesn’t fit the cast. She's got two clashing stories attempting to work in tandem and she ends up with both conflicting messages that fans still can’t comprehend in her writing and an ending that doesn’t suit her main character to such an impossible degree that it’s almost laughable.

So yeah, there's a few reasons why I think the story and the plot feels so bad and disconnected. I hope you don't mind me making this answer so long! 😅 I was not expecting to write this much.

[brydeswhale]

The thing about sterek is that even tho, as I said, the show ITSELF didn’t lean on the ship, enough ppl inside and outside of fandom did use it for attention that the perception of teen wolf often was sterek.

From the idea of sterek as an actual ship on the show(more than one person in my circle expressed surprise when they started watching at how LITTLE Stiles and Derek actually interacted) to the idea that sterek would be canon if only Davis and co would stop being so cowardly.

(Denial runs deep in these ppl bc even in the godless tens and on cable, no one was going to actually make a pairing between an obnoxious teen and the man who, I will repeat this, assaulted him on more than one occasion, canon. It was never going to happen.)

It took Tyler Hoechlin leaving the show IIRC for the sterek fervour to die down.

And even then, the sterek contingency just shoved the supposed chemistry onto other white characters in Stiles’ vicinity, eg Peter(yikes), the villain of the month, or Lydia(I mean, at least they’re the same age, even if Stiles repeatedly fuckzoned her.).

Which honestly just proved what a lot of non/anti-sterek ppl had already been saying, which was that it wasn’t really about sterek. In fact it wasn’t even about Derek.

(Which had already BEEN evidenced by how sterek and stiles fans had taken Derek’s character development(he became less of an asshole) and canon love interests. They were particularly vitriolic towards Braeden, his second love interest, who happened to also be Black. Predictably.)

It was about what Stiles represented. The white lead they never got.

You might hear that TW was an ensemble show, or that it had an “unreliable narrator”(this was from one of the most racist anti-Scott ppl in fandom), but the reality was that the titular Teen Wolf of the show, Scott McCall, was the lead.

And the majority of the Stiles’ fandom couldn’t and can’t STAND this.

They absolutely writhed in agonies of racism over it, and spread their misery everywhere they could.

From harassment over anon, to fic after fic bashing Scott, to poorly researched, bad faith meta, gifs, and fan art, a highly vocal section of fandom(still active to this day) set out to do battle against the very show it claimed to be a fan of.

And this harassment didn’t stop at other fans. The actors were also targeted, to the point where Crystal Reed cited her treatment by fans as part of her incentive to exit the show.

Tyler Posey, who played Scott, was done much worse, as continues to this day. This has included ppl accusing him, a queer dude, of queer baiting, and someone who basically urged him to commit suicide when he opened up about his mental health issues post his mom’s death.

Of course, you’ll see many sterek/stiles’ fans talking about how these egregious occurrences are the work of a few “bad apples”, and “real” fans don’t do that.

Which would be easier to believe if they actually spoke out against these actions, against the racist tropes so often used in their fic and art, if they pointed out how the supposed “meta” produced by their number contains both bad takes and outright falsehoods, but, well.

They don’t.

In fact, they usually go out of their way to DENY that these ppl even exist. They say that Scott and Tyler Posey fans are the ones committing the harassment, that the call is coming from inside the house, and then they actually straight up lie about the rest of fandom.

So honestly, if any of them did speak up, we all know that the rest of them would turn on that person like the pack of starving hamsters they are.

Basically, sterek and stiles fans were not fans of the show. They were Ppl who put their fetishistic adoration of white male centred slash above the actual media they were supposedly consuming. I’m not saying that Teen Wolf was perfect. It sure as hell wasn’t. I’ve commented before on the bigoted tropes the show used and the cultural appropriation that basically made NO SENSE.

But at its heart, as explored thru Scott, it was a show about essentially rejecting the toxic masculinity pervasive in the urban fantasy/horror genre it took its inspiration from. Scott grows over the course of the show from a frightened teenager to a courageous leader, from someone willing to kill if that’s what it takes, to someone who kills as a last resort only, who relies on intelligence and diplomacy to get the job done.

He becomes someone who rejects the violence in the world he’s brutally forced to enter in favour of kindness and hope, even when things seem at their worst. A strong Latino(and yes, despite sterek denials, Scott is Latino) lead embodying the best his world had to offer, a new way forward that even the old guard and his worst enemies admired.

But when there are two white guys who exist within the same square mile on a tv show, who cares about that, amiright?

Bonus

https://twitter.com/cetotherium/status/1418570345007755267?s=21

And that was a big draw for a lot of ppl. When most urban fantasy was about EMBRACING toxic masculinity, Teen Wolf asked the Uber macho, might makes right, violently abusive Hunter/supernatural communities, “What the heck, man, are you alright?”

And Sterek fans HATED that, 😂. Their idea of a good urban fantasy horror show is one where the vicious but oh so cute white protagonist is over powered by the commanding, controlling, abusive alpha werewolf.

It would not surprise me at all if most of them were Anita Blake fans. Between the racism and the outright rejection of the core message of the show, they seem to have been saturated in LKH’s weird, bigoted nonsense.

[warmbeebosoftbeebo]

/PAVLOVEWHORE/status/1315759891668242433?s=20 on twitter

oh her (she also thinks b is grooming kids because his music is appealing to them, the puppet, etc, and thinks grooming means... culture appealing to kids and younger adults? when it means a significantly/much older person building a relationship with a kid, introducing them inappropriately to sex eg porn, pornographic phallocentric sexuality, in order to sexually abuse/exploit them. so she may be suggesting that b’s doing it so he can have more kids to abuse a la the anon accusations). if you (general you, not the anon specifically) read ronan farrow’s catch and kill you know rich men protect themselves by doing crazy shit (spying, ndas, trashing accusers, blackballing women who rejected them or spoke out about sexual assault, catching and killing accusations) and this new accusation is in that same boat of crazy shit... but a non-plausible crazy shit. 

why would someone rich (unless this was happening vices era and before, when b and sarah were far from rich) bribe FANS to have accounts online smack talking breezy, dallon, accusers, etc. if so, they’re doing a terrible job, because there is so much shit being said about b, and now sarah, it’s unreal. (with zack, there are both substantiated and unsubstantiated, anonymous claims. i find some of the later claims plausible. he’s being taken far less out of context than b is. i don’t think he’s absolutely evil, but he’s clearly sexually harassed breezy, has been sexist/misogynist on his twitter, etc. i’ve talked about this more my tag for him.) i’ve come across comments on twitter, instagram, etc where two to none of the claims made about him are true the rest are... idk where most of this bullshit comes from. i’m tempted to do a debunker side blog here (eg the plausible, implausible, true, definitely false, etc). the rumor mill is really something. especially in the age of social media online.

i don’t think sarah and zack would do this. as we have seen over this summer fangirls (and boys) turn on their idols like WHOA. gives one whiplash just looking at it. it would be profoundly STUPID and shortsighted to use fans, because today’s fan is often tomorrow’s basher. fans also have no... loyalty in a sense to their celeb (eg it’s not like a religion, political belief system, country even), no job on the line, no contract, no lawsuit worries... all it would take for this to come out if it were true is someone within that circle of fans getting bribes to smack talk breezy to turn on sarah and/or zack and blab to others, show screenshots, etc. it could NEVER be private very long. even not turning per se, but just realizing it was wrong and sharing the convos, etc they had with them publicly. fans also LOVE talking about and showing the contact we have with our chosen celebs and celeb adjacent people, posting about it publicly. seriously, it is so foolish to try to have private GROUP convos where people bribe TEENAGERS and 20somethings with merch, tickets, photo ops, private photos of b, etc both on the levels of the youth and frequent fickleness of fans (how many leave an artist/show/fandom/franchise/etc after months, a year, a few years...), plus the outrage culture/cancel culture going on where some of the outraged are former fans, etc. 

even employees who agree to spy, hack, create fake personas online and in person, etc can turn on their employer, but someone who’s just there as a fan? there is literally not just no guarantee it won’t be found out, it probably fucking will. and quickly at that. the question is more when than if.

this situation, if it did happen, is also plausibly someone pretending to be sarah and/or zack and catfishing fans. chelsey was mentioned, and frankly... this is in her wheelhouse. she has extensively impersonated b and others online, for a few years. she has also hacked accounts and gotten photos/video of b that were supposed to be not public. and another important question, did these freebies eg ticket upgrades, photo ops with b, materialize? or did they not happen? the fact that some girls can be seen on the tour vids doesn’t prove they got them as a quid pro quo in exchange for slandering others and defending b online at all. (btw, the fact that there are chelsey defenders absolutely ASTONISHES me. wtf. there’s a lot we don’t know with breezy, b, etc so i can see to some extent people based on part of the picture, siding with “one side” and deriding the other, but with her? how? what?)

i know this is a crazy fucking idea on twitter for sure, and probably elsewhere online, but one (like me) can like both breezy & dallon AND brendon & sarah. fucking deranged, isn’t it, in this polarized fandom/these fandoms. b is getting the worst of it, but breezy is getting a lot of shit too. and i feel sorry for both of them in particular. again, the rumor mill: assertions of fact without evidence, even people coming forward with their names/faces, being spread around like wildfire and taken as confirmed, undoubtedly true fact eg the claim that breezy said that b knew about all the sexual harassments by zack of her the whole time (eg how could he have? eg how would he know what zack texts her? he obviously would have known some of it but those likely seemed in line with the joking around they did, would be my guess. i also think his anxiety and trying to fit in can come into play. he may have been a bystander to things zack did that crossed lines eg with breezy, idk. speaking of speculation, here’s me doing it. i also don’t think b did nothing wrong, and i’ve also talked about various things when i’ve come across them that i’ve had a problem with. 

there’s also aspects going on that i want to delve into, but i’m debating eg that one young male fan who’s apparently friendly with breezy and dallon now but used to be obsessed with b (including making sexual comments to him on twitter, wanting to look like him) and is claiming zack took advantage of him (jobwise). seems to be a history of mental instability there and a serious lack of boundaries. it’s not about monstering him; i feel bad for him. 

edit to add i’m still reading things on twitter, what i can find anyway, and another thing i’m ambiguous about discussing is breezy’s dms with others because ppl are posting screenshots. obv there’s more to read there too. in one she thought zack was doing the getting fans to target her and dallon thing in exchange for perks eg meet n greets. the closest she’s gotten to saying anything bad about b was saying he wasn’t always sweet (didn’t say if it was to her and/or dallon) and that she thinks he could have changed, that i’ve seen posted anyway.

also, there’s posts ppl are screenshotting of breezy from years ago to say how gross or disgusting or whatever she is and i’m just like “she’s so saucy, i love her.” it’s mostly pg level stuff too, and mostly about dallon, or brallon. like i said before, notice how what damns breezy (being sexual) excuses zack to many people. at most he’s an “old school roadie” who might have an apology to make, they dunno, but not really, people are so sensitive and breezy is a bitch who is to blame for everything. (seriously, there’s people who think she started it all eg the firezackhall tag, and somehow the accusations against b too. fuck outta here.)

[thewheezingwyvern]

Sorry for this out of the blue message, but I just wanted to say that I loved reading your post on Subaru and how he's not just some fluffy bunny like ppl think all the time. I was wondering if you had a similar version for Shu?

Sorry this took a bit! I’m glad you liked the points I made!  Like all of the brothers have the potential to have good moments but they are all still abusive and are not sweet characters overall. I had to do a little digging because it’s been a while since I looked over his routes so I had to do a bit of digging!  Well, I don’t think anyone is under the impression that Shuu is a virgin like Subaru.  But I can bring up how he is not soft and fluffy.

Before I get into my examples, I have to say that going through all of this again reminds me that Shuu is quite devious in his own way and there is an ingenious way he goes about handling the brides.  Shuu clearly is laden with depression, that is no secret but he basically will manipulate Yui into doing even the most basic things for him.  Like feeding him, helping him out of the bathtub, etc.  This is actually brilliant because regardless of how wary she is to begin with, it preys upon her more nurturing side and as he keeps up the act it even helps her view him as nearly helpless.  You cannot view something that’s helpless as a danger and a predator.  This would make it easy for just about anyone to forget that they are even in danger with him to begin with.

Haunted Dark Bridal:

Dark 5 is the first place that I could find where something questionable happens.  Shuu pinned Yui down and was going to pull up her skirt to “see if her underwear suited her”.  He had even started running his hand up her thigh despite Yui’s pleading to stop.  The only reason why it didn’t get to that point was because Yui brought up god and it lead Shuu to saying that “Besides if god is real and he chose to strike us down, I wouldn’t mind at all.”  Then he decided to leave.

Dark 7 is a scene in which Shuu is particularly devious.  When Yui tries to get him to go to school, he tells her that he will only go if she helps dress him.  When she refuses, he threatens that he’ll show up to school exactly as he was, barely dressed and tell everyone that she told him to do that, making everyone think she is a pervert.  

Dark 8.  The infamous dart game competition.  After Shuu wins, he tears at her clothes to bite her infront of everyone.  When Yui struggles he threatens to BLIND her with the darts that they used if she doesn’t stop struggling.

Dark 9 is when Shuu is in the infirmary and that’s where he demands Yui let him drink her blood.  He bites her wrist “viciously” and it causes her to scream.  When Yui struggles Shuu asks her threateningly if she wants him to destroy her mind.  When she is afraid he tells her that she should be as quiet and as afraid as possible.  In this same scene he tells her she is the same as livestock.

Maniac Prologue.  So my first point here is more or less, a theory.  Shuu refuses to eat again and slyly tells Yui that if she wants him to eat, she should feed him.  This is not the first time he has done this and he has continued to let her believe that he actually NEEDS human food to function.  He could have told her but he did not.  When Yui confronts him about this after Reiji revealing the truth, Shuu gets annoyed and says that what was the point?  That was not his job and she wanted to do those things, right?  He then calls her a girl with no character but to blame others for things. 

Maniac 1: Shuu pins Yui down outside in front of the school and starts trying to remove her clothing and when she tells him to stop, he says he won’t because it’s the same as her trying to forcefully drag him to class when he didn’t want to go.  That must mean that it’s ok for him to strip her even if she didn’t want him to.

Maniac 7 finds Shuu in the torture room.  Shuu tries to force Yui to sit down on an Iron chair ( a chair covered in sharp spikes) so he could hear her scream.  He also throws her into an IRON MAIDEN and watches her cower with delight.  He even starts to close the lid a little bit to freak her out and make her think she’s going to be killed.  And then he expresses that he loved the face and sounds she was making in her fear.

Maniac 8 shows Yui in the kitchen cooking.  Shuu decides that he wants to eat a tomato that she is using to make food for herself.  When she refuses, he starts verbally insulting her.  Saying that the pasta grease might go to her breasts and help her but she’d be ugly if it went to her stomach and she got fat.

Ecstasy 2: Knife play.  ‘Nuff said. 

      - I would also like to add in the drama cd of Shuu vs Ayato, Shuu favors hurting Yui with a knife a lot because he likes the taste of her blood more when she is in a lot of pain and is afraid.  Like...ALOT.  That’s pretty much most of his reactions while Ayato is more focused on giving her pleasure because he likes her blood better that way.

Ecstasy 7: Yui has attended Shuu’s class with him (a demand he made in order for him to go).  Shuu actually starts kissing and touching her infront of the class when they are all watching, inluding the teacher and orders her to strip despite her embarrassment.  Since they were talking about Joan of Arc in class, he says Yui is without a doubt a saint and the idea of causing her to fall sends thrills of excitement through him.

Ecstasy 9 Shuu tells Yui that if she really wants to be with him like she had just claimed, she should GOUGE OUT HER EYEBALLS and present them to him.  Now mind you, he didn’t expect her to carry through with that but...that is not exactly the request of someone who is fluffy.

In Ecstasy 10 he picks Yui up and goes flying with her but also terrorizes her with threats of dropping her from really high up.  Even changes his grip on her so he is barely holding her so she won’t feel secure.  He also wonders, (paraphrased) “What would happen if you hit the floor from this height?  Would the pink entrails inside you, scattered all around, shine in the moonlight?”  He also brings up that there are wild dogs that would come and consume her body so there would be nothing left behind reducing Yui to tears.

In the Ecstasy Epilogue it ends with him saying to Yui’s sleeping form that he would not stop any longer and also ユイ・・・全てを吸い尽くしてやりたいほどに・・・お前を・・・愛してる・・・」(Yui… to the point of wanting to suck you dry… I… love you…) Hardly a fluffy confession.

How about I throw down a few more examples from other games?

In Dark Fate right there in the prologue Shuu drinks from her and Yui thinks “Shuu-san is forceful as usual.”  Note that she used the word “forceful”.  

In Dark 2 of Dark Fate Shuu tricks Yui into thinking he’s half asleep and starts to bite her.  Once he reveals that he is quite awake, he says he’s going to bite her all over and Yui protests.  His response?  “Hmm...well.... Even if you say you don’t want to, I don’t have to listen...”

In Dark 1 in More Blood, Shuu actually says he’s not interested in charity work, which he is saying with the implication that talking to Yui is Charity work. Just take a moment to think about how insulting that is.  

Not to mention, through out many of the games, Shuu is the KING of suggestive innuendo and putting Yui in compromising positions and then turns it about to make her feel like SHE is the one who really wanted it all.  Classic victim blaming and manipulation.

I’m running out of time now so I’ll have to add more some time.  Maybe one day I’ll sit down and do an analysis on all of the boys based on their games.  :3  Thanks for stopping by!

Note: I’m not anti fluffies.  Like if someone wants to write that, it’s really none of my business and I’m not going to get in their face.  Now if there are people who get aggressive or confrontational against writers who DO write the boys dark, as they are canonically in the games, THEN I have a problem.  If you want to write a fluffy Shuu?  Go for it.  You want to write a dark Shuu?  Go for it.  Just don’t harass each other over it, neh?