#please don’t come for me i don’t actually want bad things to happen to arya but to be a woman in westeros is to suffer
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worst timeline au where ned reveals to robert that cersei’s kids are incest bastards and he gets rid of them, however you want to imagine that. instead of marrying margaery or any other eligible lady, robert spends the next half decade grooming his new lyanna, arya. ned allows this because as we’ve seen he is generally nothing more than an enabler for robert. he has misgivings but he can rationalize it to himself, it’s nothing too far out of the norm for westerosi betrothal standards.
however, you cannot tame a wolf, not fully; despite years of effort the marriage ends with arya slitting his throat and escaping to braavos with the help of syrio forel. as she flees, she sees the apparition of a woman in the godswood, and a face that’s almost her own smiles at her
#somebody said something about robert/arya and how lucky we are that he didn’t see her mature#however i think it’s an interesting dynamic (deragatory)#please don’t come for me i don’t actually want bad things to happen to arya but to be a woman in westeros is to suffer#i think she would be groomed effectively enough that she put up with it for a bit but one day she would snap#not sure what this would do to any theoretical gendrya dynamic#like. your dad groomed and abused me#and he’s like i don’t even know my fucking dad#sometimes she’s ok and sometimes she looks at him and sees the same eyes of the man who beat her#i’m scared to put tags on this but fuck it#bad timeline#asoiaf#robert baratheon#arya stark#lyanna stark#mentioned#she would love to see her niece slit his throat <3#robert coming to ned and saying he wants to be betrothed to his daughter#and ned is confused. sansa?#no. the one who looks like the woman i love#like i’m throwing up it’s jaehaerys levels creepy
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Please rant. (I may or may not have watched it, too)
Okay so if nobody wants to read this, here’s the TL;DR of how I felt about the entire series at the close of the show:
If you do, I just:
First off, I see a lot of people bash GRRM as an author, and while I think a lot of it is warranted, a lot of it I think, is unfair. GRRM, like every single other fantasy author who’s penned anything after 1970, has to live under the massive shadow of Tolkien, which is not a very easy shadow to get away from, develop a distinctive style from, or not borrow heavily from, particularly if your flavor of fantasy is high fantasy. But despite my qualms with Martin (how have the Wildlings been separated from the rest of Westeros for 6,000-8,000 years and not developed a separate language at this point? Why is the Faith of the Seven and the Faith of the Old Gods SO fucking lazily constructed? Why can’t Martin keep his numbers straight when he talks about his battles? Why did I have to read a sex scene in which a guy who is still somehow massively obese despite living in a frozen wasteland for a year and a half fucks a girl on a ship and drinks her breastmilk? Jolkien Rolkien Tolkien would have never done this to me) I still love his writing. Because Martin has always set out to explore “the human heart at war with itself” in a fantasy setting, and despite all the problems I have with him, I think he’s done a tremendous job of it.
You see, there are SO many things I could bitch about with this show, so, so many (ask me later why I hate all the blue dresses Emilia Clarke wears) But honestly? None of them really matter as much as what I view as the Main Problem of the show, and actually, a good portion of them stem from the Main Problem. What’s the Main Problem? The Main Problem is that despite George’s pussyfooting lapsed Catholic views (which is why we don’t get, in my opinion, in-universe religions that are fleshed out very well) despite his absolute weeny “war is so mean and bad :(“ Vietnam draft dodger takes, George Raymond Richard Martin is a Romantic at heart, and he loves his readers, he loves fantasy, and he loves putting his characters through horrendous, disgusting, grimy, hopeless situations, because when they come through, beaten, nearly torn to shreds—but alive, he is right there celebrating the unbreakable endurance of the human spirit with his readers. David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are nihilists who hate their audience and who love shoving their faces into mud and filth for no reason other than they take a sick pleasure in the pain and disgust of the people who’s faces they’re shoving into mud and filth.
I don’t remember the exact quote or interview, or which of them said it, but one of the D&D’s said that they were first inspired to develop the Song of Ice and Fire book series into a show when they read the Red Wedding scene. This is already a horrendous start. They were salivating the thought of bringing a scene that was supposed to be so horrible, so disgusting and unspeakably repulsive and wrong that it reverberates around the world and even is witnessed by characters who aren’t emotionally involved nor even geographically near (recall that Danaerys has a vision of it in the House of the Undying long before it happens). But GRRM didn’t write that scene, nor any other awful scene to rub his reader’s face in misery and horror. Recall how the death of Eddard Stark is written. He suffers in a hallucinatory fever for days before his execution, agonizing about the wrong he’s committed in his life. His death is witnessed by his two daughters. From a Watsonian standpoint, our hearts are meant to break, just as Sansa and Arya’s hearts broke when they are made to look on the death of their father. From a Doyalistic standpoint, the death of Ned Stark was nearly inevitable, just as the death of Obi-Wan Kenobi and so many other mentors had to happen, because the death of the mentor is an integral part of the hero’s journey. Ned’s death sets his widow and all of his children upon their paths to their own inevitable triumphs and ends. Furthermore, in any comedy, that is, in any story that ends happily, the hero or heros must travel in gyre. That is, they must travel on a crooked, twisting path to reach the end. If they don’t endure trials before they end, there’s no catharsis for them. Othello travels in a straight line towards Desdemona to place his hands around her neck to strangle her, without stopping. Without thinking that maybe he might check to really see if she’s been unfaithful. As a rule, straight lines end in tragedy, twisted roads end in comedy. The point of what I’m trying to say is that: GRRM didn’t kill Ned Stark to be malicious or to purposely cause pain to his readers. He killed him because the plot needed it. But D&D? Dipfuck and Duckfucker killed Ned, and Ros, and Sandor Clegane, and Theon, and all the people they killed because they think it’s funny when people die and they revel in filth and misery and they hate when things are good. Look at the way GRRM writes Ned’s arrival in King’s Landing versus the way D&D write it. BookNed rides up, and is immediately summoned to the Small Council meeting. He tells the messenger to wait while he changes into nicer clothes, knowing that appearances are important, knowing full well that he’s walking into a den of vipers. ShowNed? He walks right into the Small Council meeting in his travel clothes, brusquely brushing off the messenger’s protestations that he change into something nicer in a thick Scottish accent. Why does he do this? Because Ned Stark is so stupid and so dumb and he doesn’t play the Game of Thrones.why does Show Ned Stark trust people like Maester Pycelle and Littlefinger? Well BookNed doesn’t trust Pycelle, and has no reason at all to distrust Littlefinger or any way to know that he’s going to be betrayed by him. But again, ShowNed is a fucking stupid, dumbfuck hick, and he doesn’t know how to blay the GAMBE of Thrones!!! Why does BookNed inform Cersei that he’s going to tell Robert about the incest, and give her a chance to leave? Because he’s one of the ONLY people who has a kind, honorable, and true heart, and he doesn’t t want to see a woman and children be killed. And again, he has NO possible way of knowing that Petyr Baelish is going to betray him. But ShowNed? Well he does this because he’s STUPID and he doesn’t know how to play the gAmE oF tHrOnEs and only STUPID people are nice,,,,IDIOT!!!!!and this is the problem. (Continued in reblogs)
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ASTRO OBSERVATIONS [part 5]
— people with jupiter in the 8th may experience an “abundance” of traumatic experiences throughout life, often relating to death; these are the people who truly feel like everyone they love ends up dying. at their worst, they can become desensitized to death— jupiter is ruled by sagittarius, a sign known for being in denial when in difficult situations in favor of optimism. these natives can pretend like nothing actually happened, or minimize the situation in their head so that they don’t have to face it.
— okay this might be a weird one... like, you know in asoiaf when arya was walking through the streets and was always like “i’m as quiet as a shadow”? that’s literally the energy of someone with planets in the 12th house/chart ruler in the 12th house. these people are so stealthy. they’re able to move so quietly and without anyone noticing, both literally and figuratively. on one hand, they’re very quiet about their plans and ambitions to the point where other people only find out when they’re achieving success over it; on the other hand, they just. don’t like making noise while walking idk bitch you’ll only see me coming when i’m right beside you, i even get paranoid that i’m breathing too loud and that other people will hear
— people with moon aspecting mars can be incredibly impulsive when they feel hurt or triggered. yall need to be careful with doing things in the heat of the moment that you know you’ll regret later... but in the moment, you feel so hurt that it clouds your rational side. please be more self-aware about this because you may make decisions that will directly affect you for the worse in the future
— people with leo mars ft. constantly asking you for pictures... about anything. they just wanna SEE LMFAO THEY DON’T CARE WHAT IT IS THEY’RE SEEING. you just got ready to go out? “send pics of your makeup and your full outfit”. you’re waiting in a long boring line to get the covid vaccine? “send pics of the line”. your mom baked cake? “send pics of the cake”. plus they send so many random pictures while texting, it’s their special love language
— having moon conjunct moon/venus in synastry feels insane. you tell them something you’ve been through, and they’re immediately like “that happened with me as well.” it doesn’t even have to be something grand, sometimes just very specific things you thought were particular about you. the amount of understanding that comes with this aspect in synastry can feel very new and intense especially if you’re used to seeing yourself as the “odd one out”, used to feeling isolated in your experiences
— people with pluto in the 1st house often feel the need to erase “traces” of their existence, for example deleting messages that they sent people, deleting all of their social media posts. they can feel anxious and paranoid about other people having access to their past self, even if the past self in question is from, like. a week ago
— people with chiron in the water houses (4th/8th/12th) might’ve suffered bullying to the point where they repress their memories. a lot of their memories of their school years may feel foggy if they were bullied in those years
— also. people with chiron in the 8th house may feel as though they’ve been punished for wanting to experience intimacy. it’s like, the people who were supposed to be the closest to them – for example, their sibling or something – were the ones who hurt them the most.
— people with mercury-neptune aspects and strong pisces/neptune energy in their birth chart might struggle with only remembering things when they’re right in front of them. you should keep things in your peripheral vision to remind you of reality, especially when it comes to feelings— so that you won’t start getting lost inside your own head. like... keep the letters your friends wrote you by your bedside table so you can read them every time your brain starts convincing you that you’re not loved. keep the gifts you’ve been sent on display in your bedroom wall, or sentimental material things that remind you of past happy experiences.
— earth placements and their thing for asmr... omfg. it’s like they’re always looking for things to up their sensory experience/sensitivity. like, earth signs are the ones most connected to worldly experiences so they feel so soothed with the whole asmr experience: just hearing someone gently whispering or tapping on/scratching things calms them down and helps them fall asleep. they love the tingles it’s heaven for them
— moon-saturn aspects might hold and caress themselves while they sleep because their parents never did. yes i woke up and chose violence <3 your secret is NOT safe with me 💋
— while we’re on the topic of sleeping, a majority of the pisces moons i know need to sleep while hugging something, at least a pillow. they can’t just not hug something while they sleep, it’s very instinctive for them. anyways if any pisces moon needs a pillow to hold, i volunteer as tribute 💋
— virgo placements feel sososo soothed by hearing their cats purr. thinking about how my virgo placement friends are always the ones who send me videos of them petting their cats... and then i get soothed by how soothed they feel. it’s a win win situation, if you have virgo placements it’s hereby your duty to send me a video of you petting your cat while they purr. right now. GO
— people with gemini in the 3rd house might have shaky movements of the hands when other people look at them doing things. very specific i know but the third house rules hands and gemini is a sign that has somewhat of an anxious, twitchy quality to it. on the other hand, people with capricorn in the 3rd house (scorpio risings, using whole signs) have the steadiest hands i’ve ever seen lol their movements ooze confidence, these bitches know how to make you feel as thought they know exactly what they’re doing
— people with venus in the 1st house ft. altering their pics with photoshop and hating posting selfies without filters because they never feel like their appearance is good enough. stop it. you don’t need to always look your best and especially not if your ‘best’ isn’t even what you actually look like. also... don’t even think about making self-deprecative jokes about your appearance. next time i find one of yall saying “ahaha im not bad for a 5 without talent” i’m squishing your head between 2 pieces of toast and calling you an idiot sandwich. you’re BEAUTIFUL
— having venus in the 3rd house in composite with someone? do you mean calling each other the absolute ugliest nicknames in the most endearing way?
— leo deals with themes of the ego, and it seems that leo placements often struggle with attracting narcissistic people into their life... leo suns/mercuries can be raised by loud, overbearing, narcissistic parents who see their kid as an extension of themselves and who teach the kid to always be very supportive and caring towards them or else they’ll deny them of words of affirmation-- either by insulting them to shatter their self-esteem or simply never complimenting the kid back. leo moons/mars/venus tend to attract narcissistic partners who only care about serving their own emotional needs and ignore the ones of their partner, and who feed off of their supportive and giving nature. which is why leo placements really need to watch out for being gullible, naïve and dismissing the red flags because my god, you be falling for some shady people.
— people with personal planets in the 12th house/chart ruler in the 12th house might feel like they can’t let go of their past life— they may dream of memories, people or places from another life. it’s like they can’t detach from it, and even if they can’t directly remember their past life, it’s like they feel it in their bones. also, they might’ve felt... estranged from their family ever since childhood; there may have been feelings of being unable to emotionally connect to their (often, distant) parents, and they might’ve even wondered if they were adopted because of how different they felt to the rest of the family.
— okay so, a thing that people with saturn in the 3rd house need to look out for is mentally checking out of conversations while they’re still happening. these people can detect when they’re being manipulated really fast and their way of dealing with it can be to immediately shut down, to grow cold and silent and not even bother answering when you’re expected to respond. and, like, that’s great when someone starts screaming at you or being insulting/trying to coerce you into shit, but take notice if you find yourself shutting your loved ones out as soon as they say anything that triggers you. don’t simply detach from them, communicate what’s wrong
— aries placements, ESPECIALLY aries suns and moons, value generosity so much and they get so turned off by stingy ppl who don’t share with others, especially when others need it. like.. if you’re hanging out in a group with them and someone asks for a bite of your food because they have no money and you say no... espect them to never respect you. ever.
— people with libra placements use soooo many adjectives to describe things. something can’t just be beautiful, it has to be DIVINE and CELESTIAL and INTOXICATING. they can be so expressive god it’s so fcking funny
— capricorn placements HATE asking others for advice because they think no one knows better than them (and they’re not wrong, lol). when they truly care for someone, they might ask the person for advice simply as a sign that they respect, trust and value their judgement. even if they don’t plan on taking it LMFAO
— people with mars in a water sign can have this terrible habit of expecting other people to guess what they want. and then they get passive agressive when you don’t instinctively feel what it is they want... and when you ask them “do you want this?”, they go like “FINALLY. i thought you’d never get there”. stop it. i know that you want people to understand you in a way that transcends words, but you can’t expect people to read your mind and then get disappointed when they don’t, thinking “oh if they loved me that much then they would’ve known that i really want chipotle for dinner :(” GIRL WHAT. COMMUNICATE YOUR NEEDS
#astrology#scorpio mars#pisces mars#cancer mars#libra#aries#aries moon#saturn in the 3rd house#moon-saturn#chart ruler in the 12th house#leo#leo moon#leo mars#leo mercury#leo venus#venus in the 3rd house in composite#venus in the 1st house#gemini in the 3rd house#capricorn in the 3rd house#virgo#pisces moon#taurus#capricorn#mercury-neptune aspects#moon-mars aspects#pisces dominance#neptune dominance#moon conjunct moon in synastry#moon conjunct venus in synastry#chiron in the 4th house
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Ok so actually my biggest problem with the whole “Daenerys will burn KL” theory—not even the Mad Queen Dany theory, which is of course very sexist for obvious reasons, but just like, the idea that Dany will ~accidentally~ ignite the wildfire in the city, burning it all to the ground. That, at first, doesn’t sound that bad, but the longer I think about it the more I hate it because tbh it doesn’t do anything for her character? And also… that fate for her is just down right cruel.
Like, the most frequent argument I see on why this would be at all satisfactory for Dany’s arc is basically that it would be a sort of lesson for her about the dangers of unchecked power and the real threat the Dragons can pose on humans and that she shouldn’t use them to fight against other people. And that’s all well and good, excellent message… except that’s not something Dany’s ever really needed to learn? Not anymore that her fellow rulers, which I will touch on more detail later, but in general Dany has seen what the abuse of power can do. Starting with her conflicting feelings regarding Viserys and how she recognizes that even though he was her brother and she loved him, he also abused his power over her as her older brother, her only family and her king; she feels guilt about the atrocities Drogo committed to the lhazarene and tries to help them; she feels so much guilt about not handling things correctly in Astapor that she decides to throw away all her plans to go to Westeros and instead stays in Meereen.
And about not knowing the true danger that her dragons can pose? I mean, this is the same girl that literally agonizes across several of her ADWD chapters because Drogon killed a child, and then takes the extreme measure of caging Rhaegal and Viserion to prevent that from ever happening again. I think she’s at least a little bit aware that the dragons can be dangerous, thank you very much.
Ok so this got long...
Anyways, the only time Dany legit uses Drogon to harm someone and not just as bluff was at the house of the Undying, where she was being attacked, and in Astapor… and like, lmao, that asshole Kraznys mo Nakloz and the rest of his slaver buddies deserved it. Don’t at me. Also, Dany’s hardly the only one with a big magical and deadly beast at her disposal, why didn’t Robb had to go through some horrifying traumatic incident to learn he shouldn’t use Grey Wind in battle to tear his enemies’ throats. Bran will be learning about the dangers of abusing power, but that’s linked to his magic powers and an actual reprehensible thing he’s doing, not the use of his glorified prehistoric dog to kill, which he’s done, just like Robb. By all means let the narrative hold Dany accountable for her mistakes… but her actual mistakes and not shit she has no control over, because she doesn’t have much control over Drogon or the other dragons even though she’s trying to, and that’s very obvious in her last ADWD chapter where she’s delirious and Drogon could kill her at any moment, and she knows that.
The other big argument people make for Dany burning KL (even if it’s by accident!) is that it will teach her about the price of war, that someone as young as her shouldn’t be leading armies and conquering kingdoms, and that fighting for the Iron Throne is not a worthy cause, and I feel like that misses the actual point of her story by a mile. First of all because a) Dany is hardly the only teenage ruler in the story and b) this is a fantasy medieval story, a lot of the characters shouldn’t be doing the things they do, aaaand yet. Also speaking of other teenage rulers with far more power that they should have—Robb and Jon, being the biggest examples.
Granted, Robb and Jon aren’t exactly successful during their time as rulers, they’re literally betrayed and killed by their own men (even if Jon will technically come back for round 2 of bullshit he’s too tired for). But the moral of their stories is not that they lost because theirs was an unworthy cause and they were stupid kids wholly unprepared for their roles. And I actually partially agree! They are just kids, including Dany, and they shouldn’t be responsible for looking after so many others and going to battle, but their cause is still just and worthy, even with all the mistakes they make along the way. Robb didn’t loose because he was wrong in demanding justice for his family or trying to protect the riverlands from the Lannisters and their minions, he lost because Tywin Lannister was a giant coward who couldn’t take him out in a fair fight.
Likewise, it isn’t wrong of Jon to try to incorporate refugees from beyond the Wall into Westeros. He’s not too stupid and honorable to do politics like his father (how I hate when people insult Jon and Ned like that), and while he did some very obvious mistakes that inevitably ended in a coup and in him dying, this is more connected to his inability to let go of his ties with his family (mainly Arya or who he believes to be her), and in isolating himself from his friends and the people he could actually trust.
I’ve always thought that Dany and Jon share a parallel narrative within the story, so while Jon is struggling with that Dany is faced with similar problems. She cages her dragons, that to her represent the only family she has left, and she tries to compromise with the slavers, marry a man she doesn’t love, pretend she’s ok with reopening the fighting pit. While she tries her best to rule wisely in Meereen, it all comes at the cost of betraying herself and her beliefs, so it’s no surprise when it all crashes around her and she’s betrayed and nearly killed. Ironically, it is Drogon who comes to rescue her.
If they are monsters, so am I.—Daenerys II, ADWD.
This is hands down one of my favorite Dany quotes from the whole series, and I hate that it’s been given such a negative connotation in the fandom, when for me it represents Dany’s humanity and compassion at the fullest.
GRRM has a knack for humanizing the ‘monsters’ of his story, for showing the good in the outcasts and the ugly and the scary. He embraces their ‘otherness’ and makes them the heroes of his stories; Arya, Bran, Brienne, Dany, Tyrion, Jon, Theon and many others are all compared to monsters or beasts at one point or another in the books.
Dany sees herself in her dragons, literal monsters in every sense of the word. Later on she faces Drogon inside the pit, and in that moment you could say that she accepts that ‘monstrous’ part of her, and in doing so she’s saved from her fate of dying at the hands of the men who would crucify innocent children and gleefully profit off of the suffering of their fellow human beings while watching them fight each other to the death for their own amusement. Now tell me who’s the real monster in this situation.
But shortly before that happens, Dany is able to see the humanity in Tyrion, an outcast who has been branded as monstrous and unlovable due to his disability all his life, a man who has come to believe in his abusers’ rhetoric about him so strongly that he’s started to act cruel and detached. She saves his life. She sees value in his life when few others would, because she cares.
I’ve always find it funny that the “dragons plant no trees” is—another—example fans use to argue in favor of Dany’s descent into Darkness™ because the actual scene goes like this:
You are a queen, her bear said. In Westeros.
"It is such a long way," she complained. "I was tired, Jorah. I was weary of war. I wanted to rest, to laugh, to plant trees and see them grow. I am only a young girl."
No. You are the blood of the dragon. The whispering was growing fainter, as if Ser Jorah were falling farther behind. Dragons plant no trees. Remember that. Remember who you are, what you were made to be. Remember your words.—Daenerys X, ADWD.
Now am I the only one who finds it at least a bit relevant that it’s freaking Jorah Mormont aka Jorah the Enslaver whom Dany’s subconscious, at her literal lowest moment, utilizes to represent this particular thought, which btw I’ve always interpreted as Dany’s own self-loathing manifesting in her, and this is something she’s actually always struggled with—the idea that she’s not enough and she’s failing. Because above all things, even Westeros or the Iron Throne, what Dany wants is peace, she wants to plant trees.
When Dany made her descent, Reznak and Skahaz dropped to their knees. "Your Worship shines so brightly, you will blind every man who dares to look upon you," said Reznak. […] This match will save our city, you will see."
"So we pray. I want to plant my olive trees and see them fruit." Does it matter that Hizdahr's kisses do not please me? Peace will please me. Am I a queen or just a woman?—Daenerys VII, ADWD.
But of course the world doesn’t work like that, and so long as there’s Jorahs and Tywins and Eurons out there, men who would take the freedom of humans and submit them to their will, Dany can’t have the luxury of peace, just like Jon can’t have the luxury of belonging and family so long as there’s people still beyond the Wall who need his protection.
And I think that’s fine. It’s fine that Dany failed, it will help her develop as a character and realize that there’s no room to compromise with slavers, the metaphorical monsters of the story who do far more harm than the other more literal ‘monsters’ of the story. So that when she has to face down Euron Greyjoy—who btw, there’s a high chance he will end up stealing one of Dany’s dragons via Victarion using Dragonbinder… y’know, as in enslaving one of her children and using said dragon to inflict god knows what horrors, yet not many people ever consider this for some reason?—she will know. When she has to face down the Others, the magical ice fairies with no regard for human life, she will know.
That’s why I believe that it would make absolutely no sense for Dany to have to go through such a tragic and traumatic experience like burning a whole city even by pure accident, over something that’s either never been a problem with her character or she’s well into her way of learning anyways, so it would just feel repetitive. As I have pointed out, she’s already reached one of the lowest moments of her arc. Not saying there will be no other blows for her, and probably the destruction of KL will be one of them, and knowing Dany she will feel responsibility over it no matter what, but that doesn’t mean she has to be the culprit, intentional or otherwise.
#yes i wrote this whole thing because i actually love the ‘if they are monsters so am i’ quote and i’m trying to push my agenda on others#jk i spend like half a minute in an anti dany blog and i was like. war#but i don’t regret it so#daenerys targaryen#stormborn#pro daenerys#asoiaf#asoiaf meta#a song of ice and fire#valyrianscrolls#meta#my meta
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appreciation post for the types✨
from your local intp🖤
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✨The Sensors✨
estj (the executive)
Oh the executive, the most organized and loud boss bitch to ever exist. You cut through the bullshit and do not let anything stand in your way. And yet, like you're intuitive counter part (entj) you are quite sensitive if and when something hurts your feelings. Even though you're an expert at being all business during business hours, you still know how to have fun. and omg you have such a dorky sense of humor and love random facts, we love that. you are/can/will be a great leader/parent. All in all you are THEE boss and everyone knows it. keeping leading and kicking ass. 👏🏼
estp (the entrepreneur)
i absolutely adore estp's. you are the epitome of one of my fav character arcs. which is the charismatic rogue, who possibly drinks a lil more than they should, but can handle their liquor like a sailor (amazingly). you never back down from a challenge. you are so fun and wild in a han solo type of way, that just makes everyone want to be around you. but the best thing about you, is the way (deep down & to those you let close know) you are actually such a sweetheart. you would get hit by a bus trying to rush to make sure a friend is ok. you would take a bullet for any of your loved ones and let them cry on your shoulder. you're secretly the white knight but you're happy to let everyone think you're just the brash rogue. you're one of my best friends and someone i will adore with all my heart till the end of time.💕
p.s if you don't have an estp in your life, get one ASAP. they are a necessity for a complete friend group.
istj (the logistician)
oof, yes istj's. so sublet in their charm, and ready to die for what they believe in. i love the istj because you have two of an intp's fav qualities at your core. badassery & humility. you're like this pillar of certainty. even if you are uncertain about something, no one would ever be able to tell. you have a way of decision making that's not loud or overwhelming. which is why intp's love when you plan things.  you're also quiet at first, but if you're challenged, you would never let someone walk all over you or something/someone that matters to you. i also love that you're one of the types (alongside infp & entj) that is sooo funny and goofy when you're drunk. like a lil toddler. #adorable
istp (the engineer)
ahhhh, the intp's sensing counter part. istp's fucking rule. truly. you believe in many of the same principles intps do. the main one being, keeping an open mind without fore fitting you're own beliefs. your exterior calm and collected nature makes you cool af. AND you also have such a FANTASTIC sense of sarcastic humor. like yes bitch. i love the way intps are the idealists and istps are the doers. if an istp and intp got together, ooof the world better beware the chaos that would ensue. also you guys have thee COOLEST fictional characters. the first one that always comes to mind is Arya Stark from Game of Thrones. like suchhhhhhh a badass who also roasts literally EVERY single person in that show no matter if it's the fucking leader of the house you're at war with. out of all the types i think you would be the best assassin. to sum up i think the word i always relate to you is... cool. 😎 like plain and simple. 💀🤘🏼
p.s let's be partners in crime. 😁🚨🚓
esfj (the consul)
ok, ok, so first things first, because you are so opposite of the intp, i know we can butt heads sometimes. the main reason this happens is because nt's will see you're want to make others happy as a negative. HOWEVER, as i have gotten to know and respect an esfj as they are a part of my family (irl). i can say that the perceived notion of esfj's wanting to please everyone to get them to like them is a bit misguided. while esfjs DO want everyone to be happy, it's not always about being the popular kid. it's actually because they care about others. AND not just others but like situations. they really care if a party or a dinner is going smoothly. because they want events and people to have an enjoyable time and be happy. so esfj's I SEE YOU. and i genuinely appreciate how much you care about even the smmmmallest things. you are very dependable and high key you've taught me a lot. like how/why it's important to always say please and thank you. and you showed me that having emotions (like being nervous) isn't a weakness and it actually shows us what's important. esfj's are HIGHLY underrated, and much more wise than anyone gives you credit for.
p.s you are so much fun to prank and you always give as good as you get. 🤘🏼
esfp (the entertainer)
holy shit. that's all i can think when i think of the memories we share. we somehow bring out the worst/best in one another. you and infp are the ones i tell first when i get good news because i know you'll hype me the fuck up. we have sooooooooooo much fun together. you are so absolutely awesome and one of my best friends in the whole wide world. if i have a passing random idea, YOU WILL DO IT. i can be like "wouldn't it be funny if someone got on the hood of the car and twerked" and you're hilarious crazy ass will literally jump out of the car and do it. just because it's funny. you can party soooo hard, like rockstar level. you 100% need you're own reality show. your presence makes my introverted self feel more confident even when i'm at my lowest. with all that chaotic-ness said, you are actually a REALLY good parent/s.o?? such a crazy bitch, but also wife material?? like are you real?? anywayyyyy, just wanna say esfp's are the bad bitches of the types (no gender intended, bitches is gender neutral). and i can't wait for our next adventure. 🤩💜
isfj (the defender)
ok so even though you're a feeling type, i would have to say you're the most logical out of ALL the feeling types. i think it comes from you're mama bear (no specific gender intended) core. you don't put up with anyone's shit when it comes to those you care about. and dayummm will you fuck someone up (metaphorically and literally) if they come for your loved ones. you are VERY intelligent and people often underestimate you. the word that comes to mind when i think about isfjs is... resolve. your resolve in the face of hardship is so inspiring and something to be feared. i really love the way you seem so chill and even sweet and gracious and then it's like... oh fuck mamas here... but you don't even have to raise your voice to get your point across. like the istj, you've got a certainty and loyalty that intp's lovvveee. we never have to guess where you're loyalties are, because you don't just say, you show, through real actions. and we love that. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🐻
isfp (the adventurer)
oh the isfp, no one and i mean no one can match the intp's weird out of the box thinking like you. can. you view the world in SUCH a unique way. you not only see things in deep meaningful aesthetics, but you make them a reality. you love to push the envelope of what are perceived social normals. and we lovvvvvvve that shit. you're life can be so out there, but you still respect and can make friends with just about anyone. you're so sweet and creative. and you always show me something sooooo interesting. a hidden gem, a beautiful view spot, a hole in the wall place to eat. you've got that thing that xntp's sort of fall head over heels for, but in a subtle way to where we don't even realize it. and you can make time the illusion it actually is, not even noticing that we've been hanging out for like 12 hours, because it felt like 30 minutes. and omg talk about talented! anything that requires creativity you are always so good at, like wtf?? 😂👏🏼 i will end this by saying; you're simultaneously the most tranquil yet exciting person i've ever met. and truly one of a kind. keep doing exactly what you're doing and i can't wait to see what you come up with next.
p.s you are my top choice, to go to Bali & Tulum with✨🤍☯️
#mbti#appreciation post#based on people i know irl#16 personalities#mbti humor#mbti memes#sensors#estj#estp#istj#istp#esfj#esfp#isfj#isfp#entj#entp#intj#intp#infj#infp#enfp#enfj#miss my isfp#they live far away#thankfully my esfp lives 4 mins away#mbti things#mbti shit post#mbti friendships#mbti relationships
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"You had best run back to your room, little sister. Septa Mordane will surely be lurking. The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You'll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers." - Arya I AGOT
Recently it occurred to me while discussing how Lyanna is Arya’s literary mirror, that this quote is eerily similar to what happened to Lyanna who we know disappeared the year after the false spring in 282 AC, which means she disappeared during the winter and hid away for a year. Lyanna also died holding onto something (rose petals and Ned’s hand) and Ned only found her just before she died and held onto her body as he grieved:
"I was with her when she died," Ned reminded the king. "She wanted to come home, to rest beside Brandon and Father." He could hear her still at times. Promise me, she had cried, in a room that smelled of blood and roses. Promise me, Ned. The fever had taken her strength and her voice had been faint as a whisper, but when he gave her his word, the fear had gone out of his sister's eyes. Ned remembered the way she had smiled then, how tightly her fingers had clutched his as she gave up her hold on life, the rose petals spilling from her palm, dead and black. After that he remembered nothing. They had found him still holding her body, silent with grief. The little crannogman, Howland Reed, had taken her hand from his. Ned could recall none of it. "I bring her flowers when I can," he said. "Lyanna was … fond of flowers." - Eddard I AGOT
Now Lyanna may not die with a sword or a sewing needle in hand, but we do know that Lyanna learned how to wield a sword in secret, and since “sewing” and “needlework” is used as euphemisms for swordplay in the books when it comes to certain characters, specifically Arya, it stands to reason that while Lyanna hid away she most likely spent some of her time “sewing” as well until she was too heavily pregnant. We also don’t know her feelings when it comes to actual sewing and needlework. Considering she is Arya’s literary mirror, however, I’m of half a mind to say that Lyanna also didn’t appreciate needlework like Arya. I figure this because being literary mirrors to each other, we are meant to use these two characters to gleam aspects about each character that isn’t currently seen. For instance, we know that Lyanna was also an awkward-looking tomboy as a child because Arya began the story as such. And through Lyanna, we are told that Arya is going to grow into a wild beauty who eventually learns to balance the masculine and feminine aspects of herself as she matures. Of course these two are still individuals within the narrative, with some key differences, which I believe have been placed there to tell us that Arya isn’t meant to let history repeat itself.
History repeating is a theme within the books and I firmly believe that the current generation of characters are meant to prevent the same cycle from turning. I believe that certain characters are meant to overcome the mistakes and possible flaws of the character they mirror and make better choices. For instance, I believe Lysa is Sansa’s literary mirror. Now this isn’t a bad thing at all, because I believe that Sansa is meant to do the things Lysa could not do in her own story due to various circumstances. Such as break away from Littlefinger’s control, stopping the poisoning of Sweetrobin before it’s too late, finding a way to send the Vale’s army out to aid the North and the Riverlands. In the case of Arya and Lyanna, because they are also literary mirrors, I believe Arya is also meant to make different choices from Lyanna as well. Of course, this doesn’t mean that Arya needs to do everything contradictory to Lyanna or even know or acknowledge that what she is doing is making sure history doesn’t repeat.
Now a lot of people believe the quote above is death foreshadowing for Arya, and in a way it could be, but for the most part this reads as a warning. Jon is telling Arya that the longer she hides during the winter, the sterner the consequences will be for her. Currently it’s winter in Westeros, and Arya is in Braavos technically hiding, she also has Needle stashed on her during this time. And while she isn’t using Needle much, Arya is in a sense sewing as she is weaving schemes for the FM. So suffice it to say the longer she stays away with the FM the more likely her ending will end in her own death, just like Lyanna.
However, because of this theme of history repeating and the already different circumstances Arya is in, (Arya having permission from Ned to use a sword while Lyanna had to hide her sword training, Lyanna not having an older sister or a Septa growing up and mother, Arya being thrown into a wartorn country at the age of 9/10, ect.) and the subversions (Jon - a Targaryen - being Arya’s half-brother/cousin, Gendry - a Baratheon - being nothing like his father, Arya running off with a Baratheon - so far platonically - while Lyanna ran away with a Targaryen, ect.) despite Arya’s and Lyanna’s excessive parallels with each other, I believe there are a few things Arya has to do in the future, so her future doesn’t have the same fate. I believe Arya needs to overcome her desire to run away, which is something Lyanna did (for whatever the reason, be it for love, a way to try to get out of her betrothal, or because her life was in danger from Aerys). I believe that Arya in the end will choose the Baratheon, Gendry, even though I find it unlikely Arya will have to choose unless Jonarya is still on the table. And I believe Arya will avoid the same fate as Lyanna because she’ll leave the FM within the first half of her TWOW chapters, reclaiming her identity, and by the time she’s back in Westeros, likely the Riverlands after this, I believe she will no longer be hiding who she is. So all and all, in my opinion, this quote was made not only to connect Jon and Arya both to Lyanna, but to serve as a warning. Jon is basically unknowingly telling Arya, “please don’t end up like my mother” and I don’t believe she will for a number of reasons.
Extra: As for the similarities between the quotes, It might be worth noting that Arya’s Needle was given to her by Jon, while the rose petals Lyanna was holding likely came from Rhaegar, so they not only both came from a Targaryen, but they both are sentimental items that came from people they loved dearly.
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I'm sorry, but do you hate the sansa of books too?
Sorry for the late reply, but I get asked this so many times lol. I am pretty sure I have already answered this as well and it’s somewhere on my blog.
But honest question, are there any blogs out there who actually like the Sansa of the books? I haven’t seen any. The people who claim to love book Sansa stan for a hyped up, sanitized, white washed version whose only flaw, as per their interpretation, is that she’s just a little naive. But also she’s super intelligent and smartest character in the series. And all this without any text to back up this strange dichotomy - naive and super intelligent at the same time!
Any discussion of actual book Sansa is labelled as ‘Sansa hate’ and hordes descend on such posts demanding that it be tagged ‘anti-Sansa’. So people who like Sansa think that the Sansa of the books is anti-Sansa!
Others bloggers have done a better job than me of explaining fandom’s perception of Sansa versus the actual book version. This post for example:
https://aiyassalt.tumblr.com/post/188322664000/honestly-i-greatly-dislike-sansa-both-her-book
https://aiyassalt.tumblr.com/post/188450445310/star-crossedvoyager-aiyassalt-honestly-i
One only has to look at number one Sansa stans David Benioff and Dan Weiss to understand how for most of her fans, they can only genuinely like the character and enjoy her when she is given the character traits and plots of other characters. Weiss and Benioff constantly claim Sansa is their favorite character and yet they are busy stripping Jon, Arya, Bran, Dany and other characters of their book characterization for Show Sansa.
Shit like this:
"She's like the warrior of Winterfell" - Sophie Turner on Sansa wearing armour for the first time in Game of Thrones season 8
Arya has needle? Well, Sansa will also get one!
Clapton’s view on creating Sansa’s new style is that it’s centered around using found materials since Sansa sews her own dresses. Sansa’s spiked necklace is a reference to Arya’s Needle- this is Sansa’s Needle, the designer has explained.
Teaching grizzled warrior Yohn Royce about the importance of castles as a first line of defence - She’s the warrior of Winterfell! She knows more about how much rest the soldiers required than Daenerys Targaryen who commanded armies for like 7 seasons!
And when she was walking around saying that they need food so ask everyone to bring grain to Winterfell and the two blokes walking behind her just look at each other like she said the most cleverest thing ever and omg they should have made her queen instead of Jon! Meanwhile book Jon Snow is breaking his head over how to get food for like 5 chapters and has still not solved the issue in the last book.
And a lot of book Sansa fans don’t have an issue with all this - they think the smartest character in the whole of Westeros will just be better written in the books - meanwhile book Jon is stupid, Arya is just a revenge obsessed killer and Dany is headed for a dark ending because she’s ignorant and impulsive. Their version of book Sansa is more diplomatic and intelligent than Jon and Dany - characters who are actually written going through grueling leadership arcs.
I was indifferent to book Sansa. She bored me. She was a spoiled, selfish brat in book one and a political pawn and prisoner in later books. I did sympathize with her situation and appreciated that at least now she was slowly starting to realize that appearances are only skin deep and trying to help whenever she could. I used to skip her chapters on re-reads because Tyrion’s POV was more informative and kept me entertained about the KL plots. But there were all these ‘Pawn to Player’ threads and Sansa BNFs on Westeros.org discussing book Sansa becoming so smart, that I would go back and read her chapters. And nothing.
And her fans overhyping the character and inserting her into other plots is what is making me dislike even her book version now. Jon’s story is wholly unconnected to her in the books, and yet the Jon Snow tag is full of Sansa. That incorrect-Stark or whatever blog is going to be my supervillain origin story.
One of the reasons for why I am desperate for the next book, is so that we can go back to discussing Jon Snow on the Jon Snow tag instead of it getting clogged by Sansa stans with pro-Sansa and anti-Dany stuff. The Jon Snow tag is not for ship wars and for Sansa stans to hate on Dany. Please George write the damn book. 🙏. We are desperate here.
I don’t want to talk or write about Sansa. It’s the last thing I want to do. But the show inserting Sansa into Jon’s plot because Benioff and Weiss was bored of book Sansa’s actual plot and wanted their favorite character to be more important and become a warrior and defense expert and Queen and all that means that Jon Snow fans are now stuck with the character’s toxic stans.
I can empathize with Arya fans now. For a long time they had to deal with Sansa stans because in the books, its Arya and Sansa who have a contentious relationship and Sansa stans were always taking away from Arya and blaming Arya and Sansa BNFs were writing negatively about Arya.
But the show has changed that and the only reason I even started writing about Sansa was because of season 6 when Jonsa stans invaded the Jon Snow tag like cockroaches that can never be got rid off.
So yeah, that’s my rant over. I just want The Winds of Winter. I want to read about what happens to Jon at the wall, the Night’s watch and the Wildlings, Theon and Jeyne Poole, Stannis and the battle of Ice, The Boltons, a bad-ass direwolves vs Ramsay’s hounds battle, Rickon and Davos, Northern houses plotting and conspiracy and playing the game, is Mance alive? what’s the deal with the Pink letter, Melisandre and Ghost and Jon and Arya somehow reuniting. I want to stop freaking talking about Sansa - a character I really don’t give a damn about.
When TWoW comes out, hopefully Sansa fans go back to discussing lemon cakes and feasts and tourneys and the most realistic (though strangely flawless) and best character in asoiaf. I, on the other hand, am just a simple fantasy fan here for the swords and magic, direwolves and dragons, ice zombies and 3ERs - and hopefully TWoW will be written one day and will be chock full of material to keep me happy!
Hope that answers your question? 😁
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Has GRRM ever said in any interview or on his blog that he hates Sansa's complete storyline after 4th season? I dont really follow all of his fan/media interactions but from what I can recall he has spoken abt how LF in books wont give sansa to ramsay or how noone had issue when Jeyne was given the Ramsay storyline in books etc. Asking this question to you bcs you rightly point out how ppl misunderstood his interviews/posts ( sansans/targ stans etc) & I cant recall him ever saying he 'hates' sansa's story in the later seasons of the show ( not s5 in particular but even s6 to s8).
Capclave 2013:
A change that has repercussions for season 4 is Marillion’s tongue removal from the first season. Martin said that the change was made (from an anonymous singer being the victim of a de-tonguing) because they wanted Joffrey to maim someone the audience would recognize. He believes this is an issue because of the part the singer plays in Sansa’s storyline, how he affects her interactions with others in the book, and he doesn’t believe another character will be fulfilling that role on Game of Thrones.
—GRRM talks season 4 & beyond - Winter is Coming - October 13, 2013
2014 Fan Reports about Capclave 2013 (*):
In a convention panel this year, George said on the record that he had no idea what they were doing with Sansa or where they’re taking her storyline, which now makes sense perhaps. He was not pleased when he was talking about it, so who knows what’s going to happen with her! Knowing GRRM, that could mean they’re going off the canon reservation, and/or that they’re going to be making a lot of shit up
I have notes I’ll be responding to (thanks!) but enough people commented about Sansa that I thought I’d share that tidbit, since it happened back in September iirc (was the same panel where he criticized the exclusion of Tyrell brothers)
—starkalypse - June 3, 2014
GRRM’s comments at capclave about Sansa (which I was in the third row for, for those asking about legitimacy) were among others during the panel that had a general theme of dissatisfaction with show changes. He was not in good spirits for that con and didn’t really have anything positive to say regarding the show. So take it with a grain of salt; there are deviations away from the books in the episodes he gets writers credit for, so maybe they’re doing something stupid or they really don’t have a gameplan!
—starkalypse - June 4, 2014
(*) These reports were posted in June 2014, during the airing of Game of Thrones Season 4, about Capclave 2013 that happened in October 2013.
Just after the rape episode:
How many children did Scarlett O’Hara have? Three, in the novel. One, in the movie. None, in real life: she was a fictional character, she never existed. The show is the show, the books are the books; two different tellings of the same story.
There have been differences between the novels and the television show since the first episode of season one. And for just as long, I have been talking about the butterfly effect. Small changes lead to larger changes lead to huge changes. HBO is more than forty hours into the impossible and demanding task of adapting my lengthy (extremely) and complex (exceedingly) novels, with their layers of plots and subplots, their twists and contradictions and unreliable narrators, viewpoint shifts and ambiguities, and a cast of characters in the hundreds.
There has seldom been any TV series as faithful to its source material, by and large (if you doubt that, talk to the Harry Dresden fans, or readers of the Sookie Stackhouse novels, or the fans of the original WALKING DEAD comic books)… but the longer the show goes on, the bigger the butterflies become. And now we have reached the point where the beat of butterfly wings is stirring up storms, like the one presently engulfing my email.
Prose and television have different strengths, different weaknesses, different requirements.
David and Dan and Bryan and HBO are trying to make the best television series that they can.
And over here I am trying to write the best novels that I can.
And yes, more and more, they differ. Two roads diverging in the dark of the woods, I suppose… but all of us are still intending that at the end we will arrive at the same place.
In the meantime, we hope that the readers and viewers both enjoy the journey. Or journeys, as the case may be. Sometimes butterflies grow into dragons.
—The Show, the Books - Not A Blog - May 18, 2015
Report about the last Game of Thrones Script that GRRM wrote:
No Wedding for Sansa and Ramsay: Without question, one of the most controversial changes the show made in trying to streamline the books was by slotting Sansa into the role of Ramsay’s wife and rape victim in Season 5. In the books, Ramsay marries and assaults Sansa’s best childhood friend, Jeyne Poole—who is being forced to impersonate Arya—instead. (You can actually see Jeyne briefly sitting next to Sansa in the show’s pilot.)
At the time Martin wrote this script, though, substituting Sansa for Jeyne was not yet the plan. Martin has Roose Bolton tell his bastard son: “We have a much better match in mind for you. A match to help House Bolton hold the north. Arya Stark.” It should be noted, however, that in Martin’s script, Sansa isn’t free from menace either. At his own wedding-day breakfast, Joffrey still threatens to rape the older Stark sister—once he’s “gotten Margaery with child.”)
—Game of Thrones: The Secrets of George R.R. Martin’s Final Script - Vanity Fair - December 7, 2018
A month before the Game of Throne S8 Finale:
Sansa’s story, in particular, has really deviated from the books. Ramsay Bolton — that marriage obviously was with a different character. When they start deviating like that, did you initially have any emotional reaction, even though you worked in Hollywood for many years yourself?
GRRM: Well, yeah — of course you have an emotional reaction. I mean, would I prefer they do it exactly the way I did it? Sure. But I’ve been on the other side of it, too. I’ve adapted work by other people, and I didn’t do it exactly the way they did it, so ….
Some of the deviation, of course, is because I’ve been so slow with these books. I really should’ve finished this thing four years ago — and if I had, maybe it would be telling a different story here. It’s two variations of the same story, or a similar story, and you get that whenever anything is adapted. The analogy I’ve often used is, to ask how many children did Scarlett O’Hara have? Do you know the answer to that?
I know it’s different in the book and the movie …
GRRM: Three children in the book, one by each husband. She had one child in the movie. And in real life, of course, Scarlett O’Hara had no children, because she never existed. Margaret Mitchell made her up. The book is there. You can pick it up and read Mitchell’s version of it, or you can see the movie and see David Selznick’s version of it. I think they’re both true to the spirit of the work, and hopefully that’s also true of Game of Thrones on one hand, and A Song of Ice and Fire on the other hand.
—George R.R. Martin on the Stark Sisters and Ending ‘Game of Thrones�� - RollingStone - April 22, 2019
James Hibberd’s Book:
GEORGE R. R. MARTIN: Jeyne Poole was included in the pilot—she’s shown giggling next to Sansa—but she’s never seen or referred to again. I actually wrote Jeyne into “The Pointy End,” my first script, when Arya killed the stableboy. I had some stuff with Jeyne running to Sansa being all hysterical and dialogue in the council chamber with Littlefinger saying, “Give her to me, I’ll make sure she doesn’t cause any trouble.” That was dropped.
DAVID BENIOFF: Sansa is a character we care about almost more than any other. We really wanted Sansa to play a major part in that season. If we were going to stay absolutely faithful to the book, it was going to be very hard to do that. There was a subplot we loved from the books, but it was a character not involved in the show.
GEORGE R. R. MARTIN: I was trying to set up Jeyne for her future role as the false Arya. The real Arya has escaped and is presumed dead. But this girl has been in Littlefinger’s control for years, and he’s been training her. She knows Winterfell, has the proper northern accent, and can pose as Arya. Who the hell knows what a little girl you met two years ago looks like? When you’re a lord visiting Winterfell, are you going to pay attention to the little kids running around? So she can pull off the impersonation. Not having Jeyne, they used Sansa for that. Is that better or worse? You can make your decision there. Oddly, I never got pushback for that in the book because nobody cared about Jeyne Poole that much. They care about Sansa.
—Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon: Game of Thrones and the Official Untold Story of the Epic Series by James Hibberd - October 6, 2020
GEORGE R. R. MARTIN: My Littlefinger would have never turned Sansa over to Ramsay. Never. He’s obsessed with her. Half the time he thinks she’s the daughter he never had—that he wishes he had, if he’d married Catelyn. And half the time he thinks she is Catelyn, and he wants her for himself. He’s not going to give her to somebody who would do bad things to her. That’s going to be very different in the books.
—Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon: Game of Thrones and the Official Untold Story of the Epic Series by James Hibberd - October 6, 2020
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I feel bad for all the nice J*nsa shippers who like their ship for whatever reasons (tropes, pretty art, aesthetic appeal, whatever) and know it's not canon but get associated with the misogynistic Dany hating crowd who act like Jon being attracted to Ygritte is J*nsa foreshadowing because red hair (I guess Jon should fuck Edmure Tully too? Omg give me Dark!Jon getting revenge on Catelyn by seducing her brother!) Tell me something. I'm new to the fandom but was J*nsa popular before the show? And I've heard something about the OG J*nsa shippers being alienated by the new shippers who insisted it had to be canon and acted like the series is called, "A song of J*nsa #danysux." I don't find that hard to believe because I know people who are now ashamed of calling themselves J*nsa shippers. Like, at this point, it's not only rival shippers who hate it. Even Gendrya/Braime/Jon stans/etc have started disliking that ship. You know your fandom is a problem when people who have nothing to do with Jnsa have a problem with it.
me: reads this ask
me: iwastheregandalf.gif which I can't find now but
okay anon buckle up because I am sadly well-equipped to answer this ask but before I do lemme tell you dark jon seducing edmure to take revenge on cat is LITERALLY THE BEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD but *clears throat* ALL RIGHT THEN.
disclaimer: as anon says I have no issue with like the shippers mentioned by anon in the beginning and ngl I agree, I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO FUCKING STAKES in the j*nsa vs j*nerys war and the only het jon ship I gaf about is jon/ygritte and we all know where that ended up I just... have been here since 2011/adwd was over and all the fic around was just for the books under secret lj communities and asoiaf qualified for yuletide and I have... seen... things.... and I actually have like uh had... beef... with some people in there and I know things bc ppl who hated those others told me stuff so anyway *sigh* buckle up anon I'mma tell you the story of jon shipwars through the years
in order, the old gods help me here, under the cut bc this is long as fuck
when I got into fandom also given what numbers were on ao3 one ship was popular and it was sansan. no like sansan was lit. the only asoiaf ship on ao3 with more than 200 fics. jb had twenty when i checked first. jc had like around 100-ish because of the show but sansan dwarfed anything. I posted the first jon/ygritte fic on the ao3 tag and the fourth throbb fic and like the others were all reposts from lj kinkmemes. nothing was popular before the show except for sansan when it comes to huge numbers bc grrm doesn't like fic and it was all hush hush until the show made it impossible to control and that ship was the one with a huge enough fanbase it actually had numbers, so like... j*nsa wasn't popular in the way nothing else was popular until it got screentime on the show
now, that stated, j*nsa had a... fair amount of fic for a rareship which was mostly book-based and from og shippers that were there from before the show and liked it for what it was but literally none of them thought it was gonna be canon, like it wasn't huge or anything but it had a small but dedicated fanbase who did their own thing and thought it was fun/liked the idea but that was it
that fandom had their own niche of hcs that they cultivated and shit except that like... at the end of S5/beginning of S6 there was a surge in shipping for... well obvious reasons bc it was obv sansa was getting to the wall and that would have been all nice and good but a) it was the time puritanical shipping was starting to take root and the 'shipping sansa with sandor or tyrion is hella problematic' rhetoric had started to circle coming from sans*ery shippers mostly but I'mma not open that fucking can of worms here, b) while the ending of S5 had more of a theon/sansa spike, the j*nsa stuff started getting big
now here we have to mention my villain origin story ie: j*nsa fandom had this one stan whose name I won't make because honestly it's been years and if she's still around I don't want her to remember I exist who was a bnf, wrote for... the website that created the whole larry/carol thing etc who was really fixed on this thing that j*nsa was actually canon and started writing extremely popular meta about it. now you're gonna ask how do you know, I know because this person once wrote a meta named 'why robb stark is a dick' and I told her that it was really fucking bad meta and she took it so badly she kept on trash talking me on her blog/her podcast (I was apparently the insane robb stark fangirl l m a o good lord) and like that was when some sane ppl who argued with her informed me in pvt that she was basically harping on the CANON thing when they'd have been okay with like... it being crackshipping and that she was basically cultivating a hoarde of followers who were harping on them/the ogs and basically ostracizing them;
I would like to add that this person - before her tumblr got 'accidentally deleted' and remade it therefore deleted most receipts for, er, her so-called meta which included stuff like ned and cat raised sansa as a sexual object and only wanted to sell her like cattle - had at some point started a round robin fic thing where... some of the characters mocked openly said stuff that some of the og fans had said specifically targeting them and people in that side basically went harassing anyone who didn't agree with that specific notion
now never mind that this person basically coined an entire term to describe ppl who liked white guys and excused all their wrongdoings out of my conversation re robb basically lying about everything I said as if I didn't have the receipts and tried to sell shirts with it and it didn't work and like then she got kicked out of her own website because she was telling her commenters disagreeing pretty shitty insults (considering I was called psychotic for disagreeing with her that time I don't doubt it) I think at some point she stepped back from fandom bc idk wtf she's up to these days and I don't want to, but basically at that point the dam was broken and there was a bunch of puritanical shippers harping on anyone who didn't agree with j*nsa is canon endgame stuff
this also includes an incident when those ppl were like... passing themselves as throbb shippers and ended up trying to tell t*hramsay shippers off the theon tag based on moral reasons and I ended up arguing with all of them (and they were all from that crowd) which in turn landed me in contact with other og j*nsa shippers who were like detached from that fandom bc those same people harassed them away as well ssooooo fun
anyway when S6 happened everyone was high on it and whatnot but I wasn't gonna begrudge them that I mean... you shipped it for years, canon is delivering you, good for you, but then j*nerys happened
god j*nerys happened
aaand basically...... I mean personally I was there like are y'all seriously arguing about the best incest jon ship out there but like basically the j*nsa endgame side was like AH JON IS PLAYING DANY SEE IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, the j*nerys obv got defensive af and both sides were sort of alternatively shitting on jon/ygritte anyway and depicting any other romantic rship jon could have as abusive™ and during S8 it just got worse and like I tried to stay out of it but basically from what I'm seeing now idk how the j*neryses are doing but on the j*nsa one it's ah jon's gonna play dany anyway and she's going to go insane like in the show so SHOW TRUTHING EVERY OTHER WAY and like again denying that sandor exists or that tyrion exists and like I barely touch my corner (sansan) but I ended up arguing with j*nsa/th*nsa people on twitter who were antis and is2g it was white-hair inducing and I know for sure the sansa/tyrion shippers were harassed to hell and back throughout so FUN
and even if the show didn't go there now since everyone there banked on the jnsa endgame thing and admitting you're wrong is like... not a thing, they still haven't let go of it and attach to that ship any shred of evidence which honestly is grasping at straws half of the time (like... the sansa/alysanne parallels like guys please no) and which is why every other ship is starting to get fed up, attaching canon proof of stuff from other ships onto theirs see that batb argument and jb is platonic but jonsa is not nvm taking all the sansan stuff and throwing it on j*nsa but then denying that sansan has canon evidence (like guys I had to read sansa touching his shoulder when saying gregor wasn't a true knight wasn't meaningful and we were seeing things please) and blah blah blah
this also goes hand in hand with the fixation on like... villanizing dany at all costs and like is2g I have zero investment in dany or her storyline I don't even remember it and I don't particularly care abt her either way and sure af I'm not for j*nerys endgame but like.... some stuff I read is completely excessive esp when fixing on how she's a completely mad tyrant who's gonna have to be put down and like... guys no
(also there's some srs stannis hate in that corner which I honestly don't get why they even care abt stannis but I had to read stuff like ppl don't recognize that dany and stannis are the real villains in this saga and like........ idek)
I think most of the og shippers are gone or don't ship it openly bc they don't want to be attached to the drama but like I also think they're pissing off everyone else bc like... I mean a bunch of them also were down with sansa being paired with other ppl as long as it meant a good ending for her except those ppl were... like everyone but the ppl she has actual contact with in canon which meant that at some point sansa/gendry was a thing and like.... you can imagine why arya/gendry shippers & arya stans were fed up, and there's also this tendency to behave like sansa is the center of the entire saga which like these books is named a song of jon snow basically can we pls make peace with it and personally I've had it with both j*nsa and j*nerys people since they started with that dumbass JON/YGRITTE WAS AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP rhetoric but I'm also fed up with the total ignoring that sandor exists/depicting us as delusional and honestly I also was by proxy fed up from the harassing of the sansa/tyrion shippers soooooooooooo
there were also instances of 'well theon is an acceptable choice other than jon bc he can't threaten her' which... i mean we all know what that meant and I'm not even commenting it bc it's one AM and I have no force to but I don't have to explain why it's not a progressive take now do I
there were also metas about how cousin incest being legal in half of the world means that jondany is a worse incest and j*nsa doesn't count as such and I was basically there like guys please just fucking own up to it but honestly I chose to forgot where I read that and I couldn't find the link if I tried
tldr: no one wants to admit that it's not gonna be endgame which considering the amount of fic they have on ao3 is imvho useless bc they have more content than like.. anything I ship that's not jb or that's actually like canon *cries in joncon/rhaegar but I mean renly/loras is canon and has less fic than them* so idk what's the problem with enjoying that instead of insisting it's gonna be canon when not even the show validated it while show truthing anyway when the only show truthing that can be truthed is the small council made of minorities and possibly jon eventually fucking off with the wildlings but not like that but like most people who thought it wasn't gonna be endgame had left/were made to leave by the time S7 rolled by and at this point since wow isn't out yet everyone is fandom-grasping at straws to find stuff to discourse on and we're here beating dead horses *shrug*
so that's... how it is but I would again like to point out that I don't judge ppl on their shipping, I don't particularly care about this entire feud bc I only ship jon with ppl he's not related to in whichever way and I try to stay out of this mess bc I don't really care to argue with ppl who have already decided to bend canon to whatever they want and will have to realize that it's not what grrm wrote at some point but like I have a very good memory and the above rant is as objective as possible also bc again I don't literally have a stake in that race I just think romantic/endgame j*nsa is not a thing and that ppl should stay in their lane and not harping on other ppl who ship whatever in general but especially when their ship is the most popular thing in fandom in the first place /two cents
#1#2#3#4#5#anonymous#ask post#anti-jonsa#anti jonsa#anti-jonerys#anti jonerys#both of them for equality
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308 A.C., Winterfell
Excerpt from a story I wrote that will probably never get published. All that really needs to be know is that Jon became king at the end.
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308 AC- House Winterfell
“Sansa…” A feminine voice sounded, and the Princess of the North looked up to see. Not many people referred to her by her first name very often, so she was able to narrow down the source.
“Yes, Jeyne?” She said and saw that her best friend from childhood had stuck her head into the room.
Jeyne and she had been inseparable during their childhood in Winterfell. The girl with chestnut brown hair and Sansa were as close as sisters to the point where she followed them to King’s Landing when her father became Hand of the King. When Tyrion took over the position, she had been lucky enough for Robb to have paid for her ransom. The only semi decent idea her brother had outside military tactics.
Her family were only stewards so had no political power. That meant young Jeyne had no value as a hostage, but it also meant that she had no ability to help with the Battle of the Bastards. Only her mother being a Mazin convinced them to help and then only barely. But still, House Mazin took over Last Hearth and Jeyne, now the head of House Poole, is receiving training from Sansa to take over the Dreadfort.
“Um… Arya is here.” She said, awkwardly. The two never had a good relationship growing up and Sansa’s sister had not been heard from in near three years. For her to show up out of the blue like this was very unexpected.
“Help me up.” She said, taking Jeyne’s hand while holding her belly.
Her Little Jon was getting mighty tight in her belly and still had near a month to go. Her mother always told her the joy of a woman carrying her first born but Sansa just felt incredibly guilty that she did not feel that joy and just wanted this pregnancy over with.
“Are you sure it is her?” She asked as they walked from her solar.
“Aye, I’d recognize Arya Underfoot anywhere. It’s not as though she does not look enough like Jon Snow.” she said, and Sansa laughed. It was only last year that Sansa realized that her friend had a massive crush on Jon growing up, with the rest of Winterfell assuming that the “brother” she spoke of wanting to marry was Robb.
“I am guessing she was happy to see you?” Sansa asked rhetorically.
“She was perfectly civil. I almost did not recognize her.” Jeyne said, bitingly.
Jeyne and Arya were never able to get along as children. Sansa should not be surprised that they did not get along as adults. “Play nice…” The Northern queen admonished.
“Yes, Your Grace.”
As the two made their way down to the great hall, Sansa could not help but worry about her sister. No one had heard from her in years, and no one had ever come back from West of Westeros. She wondered what kind of effect that would have on a person.
“About time. You had me sitting here like a ninny.” Arya said. She had a scowl on her face, but Sansa had known her for so long she could see the smile in her eyes and tease in her voice. Sansa noticed that she had a new scar going up the left side of her jaw and then onto the side of her neck and her brown hair was lighter and longer than she had ever seen it.
“I’m a lot slower now.” Sansa said, rubbing her tummy.
“What happened to not marrying?” Arya asked rhetorically.
“We need more Starks.” Sansa shrugged.
“And the Father?” Arya asked, with their mothers cocked eyebrow.
“An old friend of yours. From the Battle of Winterfell actually…” She said, and Arya stiffened. Sansa tried not to snicker at sister’s expense before saying, “Ned Dayne, from Starfall. I believe you too met when you spend time with the Brotherhood without Banners? He is down in Dorne helping Princess Arianne win back control of Dorne with Jon.”
Arya let a puff out of her nose, “You’re an arse.”
“Me?” Sansa said, innocently. Arya rolled her eyes knowing exactly what Sansa was doing. Grey eyes flicked downwards and then she hovered her hand over Sansa’s midsection. Sansa nodded and her sister started rubbing her tummy and nephew.
“How far along are you?” She asked.
“About eight moons.” Sansa said, gaining a more genuine scowl from her sister.
“Of course you still look like a maiden from a song while pregnant…” Arya scowled for real this time and Sansa sighed.
Growing up the two sisters were always at each other’s throats; Sansa was jealous that their father obviously favored Arya while Arya was always jealous how good at things Sansa was. She had hoped their time in Winterfell waiting for Jon could have gotten them passed that.
“… meanwhile when I was….” She started before quickly cutting herself off.
Sansa’s eyebrows shot to her hairline in surprise, as Jeyne started coughing herself. “When you…” She demanded.
Her sister walked to the door and spoke to a serving girl before bringing two little children. The first was a boy with Black hair and blue eyes, the second was a girl who looked like Sansa herself.
“These are my children, Jon and Lynarra Snow.” Arya said, introducing her children, if Sansa didn’t know better, nervously.
“Snow? Or Storm?”
“Does it matter?”
“Well our Jon is going to be pissed if he finds out that you mothered a bastard!” Sansa hissed.
“… I know.” Arya said and for the first time Sansa heard her sister sound dejected.
“Lyarra?” Sansa said, to confirm her suspicions.
“LEE-NAR-AH. A mix of Lyarra and Lynah.” Arya explained, and Sansa sighed and pinched her nose at the mention of Gendry’s mother.
Sansa and Gendry had grown somewhat close in the last few years due to the former Blacksmiths nervousness of ruling. Well as close as they could get nearly half a continent away from each other. Many ravens had been exchanged between the two in his first year of ruling and Sansa was pleased to say that the two had become friends.
There was a pregnant pause before saying, “He is still unmarried.”
“So?”
“Don’t you think thing he’d want to know about his children.” Sansa said, “You need to tell him!”
“No I don’t.” Arya said, stubbornly.
“Yes, you do!” Sansa snapped and that back and forth continued on for a moment or two before Jeyne snapped.
“You are a queen and you a savior of the World! You are arguing like three-year-olds!” Jeyne near shouted indicating the now shoving match between Jon and Lynarra.
“It must be bad if Jeyne is the voice of reason.” Arya said, while quickly grabbed the two by the backs of their shirts and separating them, plopping Jon on her hip and Lynarra into Jeyne’s waiting arms before Sansa’s old friend started cooing at the babe. “Stay out of this Sansa. It is none of your business.”
“I don’t care if you don’t decide to marry him, but Gendry is my friend, and he deserves to know about his children! You tell him, or I tell Jon!” Sansa bluffed. Her little sister had been there for a grand total of five minutes and they were fighting already.
Arya hesitated before saying, “Jon would not…”
“Would not care that you are forcing your children to grow up as bastards? Jon?” Sansa asked rhetorically.
Arya didn’t look at her before finally saying, “I will write him once we are settled in.”
“Good, and while we are at it…” Sansa said, and Arya gave a sharp glare before Sansa offered the olive branch, “You can tell me of your adventures to the west.”
The two sisters grinned as they walked off to get the new quiet wolf settled in Winterfell once again.
#Sansa Stark#Arya Stark#Jeyne Poole#Gendry Baratheon#ned dayne#ASoIaF#queen in the north and her hand#fic#post S8
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A Good Punishment
summary: a handmaid is given to the King’s dog
“Up or down, milady?” Sansa asked, using her very best impression of what you could only assume was supposed to be yourself as she ran the brush through your hair. She was in a good mood today, which had been rare from her. She really was a sweet girl, much nicer once she trusted you. Now she felt more like a little sister to you, even if you were just her handmaid. She braided your hair back with an expert hand. “When Arya was still little enough to put up with me, she would always let me do her hair,” Sansa explained. “Sometimes, she would still ask me if she was going out to play, if only to get it out of her face.”
Looking at her face in the mirror, you could see the sadness in her eyes. You reached up to pat her hand. “You can do my hair whenever you’d like, my love,” You said with a small smile.
The nice moment was shattered when the door to Sansa’s chambers slammed open. You jumped up from the seat. Whether or not Sansa had given you permission, it probably wasn’t proper to have your Lady tending to you rather than you to her.
“Your Grace,” You curtsied to King Joffrey as he stood in the doorway with a wicked grin. You tried to avoid the gaze of his gargantuan bodyguard, the aptly named Hound. He towered so far over you, you doubted the top of your head would even reach his armpit.
“Still in your chambers this late in the day?” King Joffrey tisked. It wasn’t a crime for Sansa to stay in her room, but that didn’t matter to the King. He just wanted a reason to torture the poor girl.
“My apologies, your Grace,” Sansa said, looking down at the floor. King Joffrey approached her and you tensed, the way you always did when he got too close to Sansa. Nothing good ever came from it. You had comforted her many times after the emotional abuse, tended to her wounds after the physical.
“Don’t let it happen again,” He said. He put his finger under her chin, lifting her face to meet his eyes. She still looked away.
Your eyes darted towards the Hound. You were never quite sure how to feel about him. He had done nothing but follow his King’s commands, but you were more open to him after you had seen him cover a beaten Sansa with his cloak, after she had told you of how he had rescued her. But he was still loyal to the King. You couldn’t blame him for being so, you knew what would likely happen to him if he wasn’t, but that didn’t stop you from being frightened. You didn’t think he would help Sansa if it meant going against the King. And yet, you could swear you saw something behind his normally stoic eyes as he watched the scene before him.
“I’m sorry, your Grace, please forgive me.”
King Joffrey stared at her for a long moment, his hand still on her face. Finally, he patted her cheek, his grin becoming wider. “It’s quite alright. You know, I have just the thing to cheer you up.”
“Your Grace?” Sansa wasn’t stupid. She knew nothing that pleased the King would ever be good for her.
“How about we go for a walk?” King Joffrey said as he bounced on the balls of his feet, a child gearing up to play an awful trick. “Let’s go visit your father.”
Sansa choked back a sob. You clenched your fists tightly. “Please, your Grace,” Sansa begged.
“Oh come now, you don’t want to see your dear old dead traitor father? You don’t think that’d be fun?” King Joffrey asked with sheer glee as he watched the tears stream down Sansa’s face.
“That’s cruel,” You said before you could stop yourself. Suddenly, all eyes were on you. Too late now to take it back you said, “Please don’t make her go out there again, your Grace.”
“You dare order me? And insult me?” King Joffrey said, looking you up and down. “This bastard handmaid thinks she can tell me what to do, can you believe that, Hound?”
The Hound said nothing, just keeping his stance at the door and his eyes on you. You know he had felt bad for Sansa the last time she had had to look upon her father’s decapitated head; Sansa still had his handkerchief.
“I will take my future wife wherever I please,” King Joffrey said. He reached his hand out, grabbing Sansa’s hair tightly in his fist, making her cry out.
Without thinking, you lashed out, striking the King. He struck you back so hard, everything went black.
Stupid. You were stupid. You made everything so much worse, for you and for Sansa. How could you do that to her? In the moment, hitting that evil, nasty little boy felt good, but as you sat in the cell, the other prisoners leering at you, you know it had been foolish. You had no idea how long you had been in here, having awoken just an hour before, but it couldn’t have been long.
You looked up as the cell door opened, the Hound holding the keys and letting King Joffrey enter before him. You could still see a bit of a redness to his cheek where you stung him with your palm. That did make you feel a little better.
“I’ve thought a lot about your punishment,” The King said, his hands behind his back as he stood rigid, staring down at you sitting on the floor. “Assaulting your King. I should have you put to death.” You said nothing. You had nothing to say. “Stand up, bitch.” You did as you were told, your head spinning from the sudden movement. “Take off your dress.”
The Hound’s eyes flashed quickly from the King, to you, and back to where he had been staring off at the wall. You noticed his hand gripped tighter on the cell door.
“You heard me, bitch,” King Joffrey spat.
You untied the cloth around your neck, letting your dress fall to the ground around you, hearing the howls and whistles from the other cells. The King smirked at your naked body. He slowly walked around you, taking you all in. “She’s pretty, isn’t she, Dog?” Joffrey asked.
“Yes,” The Hound said, but he hadn’t actually looked at you, his eyes locked on the wall. The King didn’t seem to notice, still examining you.
“Very good,” The King said, punctuating his statement with a sharp smack to your ass. It shocked you into letting out a little yip. The King stood in front of you again. “Body is very nice, you must have gotten a good feel, bringing her down here.” You were feeling very like a cow waiting for a price. You would rather him just hit you again. “We could give you to Littlefinger. Let you earn your penance.”
You swallowed hard. There weren’t many options for bastard children, especially not bastard children of whores. You didn’t even know who your father was. He could be a nobleman or he could have just been a farmer who happened to have extra coin, your mother hadn’t been able to tell you before she died. You had just narrowly escaped becoming a whore yourself by being sold to the castle as a young girl. It would be almost cosmic to end up at the brothel anyways. Cosmic, but still not an option you wanted.
“What do you think, Hound? She would earn a good sum. You could even have a go at her, if you pay the right price,” King Joffrey said, turning back to his bodyguard. As if he had just been blessed, the King’s grin nearly split his face. “Oh no, I have the perfect idea, the perfect punishment for this bitch. A bitch for the Hound.”
“Your Grace?” The Hound asked, finally tearing his eyes away from the wall to look at King Joffrey.
“You’ll be my dog’s wife,” the King said with venom, his face inches from yours. “I’m going to let the beast tear you up.”
You hadn’t much pictured your wedding, not as a little girl and certainly not in your time as a handmaid. Marriage wasn’t much on your mind. But you certainly never thought it would be like this. The most you had said to your husband had been your wedding vows. The whole thing seemed less like a wedding and more like an elaborate play by a court jester. The King sat watching in delight the whole night as you sat next to your new husband in near silence.
Lady Sansa had finally broken away long enough to sneak to you and give you a hug. “I’m so sorry,” She said, tears choking her voice. You shushed her, patting her cheek.
“No, no, my love,” You said. “I’m alright. Believe me, it could be so much worse.”
The Hound chuckled darkly. You hadn’t heard a word from him since the ceremony, where he had given you a surprisingly soft and chaste kiss in front of the audience after reciting his vows, after promising to protect you. “Could it, though?” He asked behind his wine goblet. “Am I a better option than death?”
Sansa looked only more frightened, but you nodded at her again, showing her you were okay. She scurried back before the King could notice she was gone. “You’re very cryptic.”
“Sorry, love,” The Hound said, draining his goblet. He had quite a bit to drink, but he was a large man. You doubted he was actually drunk. He was just a bit abrasive, from what you had heard. Well, actually, you heard that he was more than abrasive, but you tried to be optimistic.
The crowd around you suddenly broke into chaos. The Hound cursed under his breath and it took you a moment to realize what was happening as you were pulled from your chair and hefted up onto the shoulders of the chanting men. The Bedding Ceremony. You felt your stomach churn. You had nearly forgotten this part.
They carried you through the castle, all the way to the Hound’s chambers, a place just as foreign to you as the man you married. They dropped you onto the bed, still cheering as the left, taking turns clapping the groom on the back as they passed him. He shut the door behind the last drunken party goer, but you could still hear the feast going on behind it. He glanced at you as he locked the door and without thinking, you scooted back on the bed, your back hitting the wall. He barked out a laugh.
“You think you could fight me off?” The Hound asked as he turned around, his eyes not moving from your face. “Love to hear your plan, seeing as I outweigh you by threefold.” You would have backed up further if you weren’t already pressed flush against the wall as he stepped forward. You released a breath when he sat down at the small table. He reached behind him, grabbing a bottle of wine from the shelf on the wall and pulled a gulp straight from the bottle.
You watched him for a long while. He did nothing but drink his wine quietly. You shivered in the brisk chill of the room. You almost asked why the fire place was unlit but you quickly pieced together why he probably didn’t want a fire in his room. He was halfway done with his bottle when you finally spoke, the uncertainty eating at your insides.
“Are you going to-,”
“Do you want me to fuck you?” He cut you off, clearly already knowing what you were going to ask. You were thrown off by his question and you didn’t answer. He shook his head. “Thought not. I’m not in the business of fucking girls who don’t want to be fucked.”
“I’m not a little girl,” You defended, annoyed. Sure, he had to be at least fifteen years your senior, but you weren’t a child.
“I don’t fuck women who don’t want to be fucked either, wife or not,” He said. “Just go to bed, why don’t you?”
Knowing you were safe from him, you stood up from the bed. He glanced up at you, barely taller than him even seated, but didn’t say anything. You sat down in the other chair across from him and you had a feeling no one else had sat there before. The chambers had a very solitary feeling. They smelled very strongly of him, of wood and leather. You realized you had never been in any danger. You should have known that from the moment he refused to look at your naked body in the cell.
“May I?” You asked, pointing towards the bottle. He handed it to you, careful to not even graze your skin. You took a long sip, the strong wine burning your throat as it went down.
“Careful, love,” He said. “It’s strong.”
“You can touch me, you know,” You said. You felt your cheeks burn pink when you realized how that may have sounded. “I just mean, you don’t have to be afraid to touch me,” You pointed to his hand. “We have to share a bed now, after all. It’s okay.”
“Not afraid,” He said, grabbing the bottle back to take another swig.
“Okay,” You said. He offered the bottle back to you and you took another drink. You hadn’t eaten much at the ceremony and you could already feel a warmth spread to your fingers. It was welcome in the cold of the room. You handed it back, but this time, you made sure your hand brushed his. He pulled back as if you had burnt him, not even taking the bottle. You smirked. “Afraid,” You said.
“I’m not afraid of you,” He said.
“Then why pull away?” You asked. He didn’t answer. You scooted your chair closer to his and placed your hand over his. You had noticed earlier, when the septon wrapped the ribbon around your clasped hands, how much bigger his was. You could put both hands over his one and still not cover all of it. He didn’t pull away this time. “See, not so bad,” You said with a smile. You felt like you were approaching a feral dog, using a calming voice and kind face to get it to trust you. He really was appropriately named.
“Not so bad,” He repeated, looking at your hand on his. He finished the whole bottle, setting it empty on the table. After a long moment he said, “Never had a woman touch me that wasn’t being paid.”
“Really?” You asked. He laughed with no humor behind it.
“The King made you marry me because I’m such a horrible beast that he knows being my wife would be a worse punishment than being beheaded or sold to a brothel and you ask ‘really’? You think a woman would come anywhere near my cock if she wasn’t a whore getting ample compensation?”
You looked him over. He was frightening, sure, but that was mostly due to sheer size of him, and the reputation. The half of his face that wasn’t burnt was good looking. “I don’t think it’s that unbelievable. You’re a handsome man.”
He laughed, this time with a bit of mirth. “Oh, at least my wife’s funny.”
“I’m not joking,” You said.
“You could get a much more handsome man than me, love, looking like you do.” Your cheeks burned pink. You liked that he thought you were pretty. You liked that you were still touching his hand. You liked that he let you.
“So you paid for it?” You asked.
“Like I said, a woman needs ample compensation,” He said. He nodded to you. “Or the threat of death.”
“Your first time was with a whore?”
“All my times were with whores.”
“What was that like?”
The Hound laughed. “I was eighteen, she had to have been nearly fifty. She was the only one brave enough to come near me.”
You stood up, finally taking your hand away from his. The wine may have given you a little push but you knew exactly what you were doing as you sat yourself on his lap. He tensed up, but he held his arm around your back, his hand touching your outer thigh. You liked it there. “Am I brave?” You asked.
“You’re stupid,” He said. “Anyone brave is just as stupid. You shouldn’t have hit the King.”
“You’re his bodyguard, you didn’t stop me,” You said.
“I wanted to hit him too,” He admitted.
“My first time was with some boy from Flea Bottom. It was...very quick,” You said. He had told you his story, you thought you should give yours. “Sorry, your wife’s virtue has already been taken.”
“Sorry your husband is a monster.”
You reached your hand up, reaching for the scarred half of his face. He grabbed your wrist, but gently. You touched your fingertips to the burned flesh. It felt rough, like his hands, but some spots were smooth, stretched tight. You slid your hand down to his beard, turning his face towards yours. Your lips were just a breath away from his. “Ask me again.”
“What?”
“Ask me again.”
After a long moment he said, “Do you want me to fuck you?”
“I do.” You pressed your lips to his. This kiss felt very different from the one at the ceremony. You felt his grip on you tighten. He held one arm around your waist while the other pressed along your spine, his hand holding the back of your head. You twisted your fingers in his hair. You pulled back slightly, taking a sharp breath. “Come on, Hound.”
He growled, standing up and lifting you like you weighed nothing at all. He laid you on the bed, careful not to put any of his weight onto you as he held himself above you, but you still felt like he surrounded you. You liked it. You felt safe. You wanted more. You wrapped your legs around his waist, your wedding gown falling around your thighs. You tried to pull him closer.
“Not trying to crush you, love,” He said as he kissed your neck.
“Please, I want to feel you,” You begged. He groaned, finally pressing into you, but still holding himself up on his elbows. You could feel his hardness pressed against you through the cloth between you. You rolled your hips into him, trying to feel more of his length. He hissed out a breath, one of his hands going to your hips to hold them down.
“Take this fucking thing off,” He said, taking a fist full of your dress.
You slid out from under him, standing before him as he sat up on the edge of the bed, taking off his boots as he watched you. You undid some of the buttons but others were out of your reach. You turned your back to him and let him help you with the rest. He stood behind you, looming over you as he pushed the dress off your shoulders, letting it pool at your feet. This was much more pleasant than being exposed in the dungeon. You could feel the heat between your thighs burn almost painfully and your nipples tightened from both cold and arousal.
You turned back around, grabbing the edge of his shirt. He took the hint and pulled it off. His chest was so broad and covered in thick, dark hair. You pressed your hand against him, pushing him back to the bed. Unlike before, his eyes were trained on your body, as if he were a blind man who could see nothing but you.
“Fuck,” He said quietly, his hands on your hips. He kissed your stomach first, then your breasts, taking a nipple between his teeth, making you arch your back towards him.
“Hound,” You moaned, your hands finding his hair again. He wrapped his arms around you tightly, forcing you to sit on his lap again. You could feel the rigid edge of his cock under his pants and you couldn’t stop yourself from grinding against it, making him hiss out your name.
He gathered you in one arm, flipping you around to lay you on the bed again. He kissed your neck roughly, his teeth scraping your skin. He wedged himself between your legs, spreading you wide beneath him. His large hand found its way to your center, placing his palm against you. He groaned into your neck as he felt how wet you were for him. “You’re fucking dripping, love.” He dipped a finger inside of you slowly. “I want to hear you say my name. My real name.”
He pulled his finger out, only to push it back in with a second, making you gasp. “Sandor,” You said as he thrust his hand against you. “Sandor, please, don’t stop.”
“Are you going to come for me, love?” He whispered into your ear as his thumb found your clit. You nodded, unable to say anything else. His rough fingers felt so good rubbing you from the inside out.
Without warning, he pulled his hand away, you felt suddenly empty. You watched as he brought the hand to his mouth, sucking you off of his fingers. You felt another surge of arousal course through you when he groaned as he tasted you.
“Fuck, you taste so sweet.” He grabbed you by the waist, flipping you over again so that he was underneath you, laying on the bed, and you hovered over his chest on your knees. “I need to taste more of your sweet cunt, love.”
You gasped as he planted his hands on your ass, his fingers digging in as he guided you over his mouth. His beard scratched at your thighs deliciously as he devoured you. His tongue lapped at your pussy, letting you ride his face. Your thighs clenched as you got closer to your end. He squeezed your ass tighter until finally, “Fuck, Sandor,” You cried out as you came, thighs quaking.
You sat back on his chest, catching your breath. He laid his hands against your thighs, watching you from below.
“No one’s ever done that to me before,” You said.
“They missed out,” He said. “Never tasted anything so good.”
You moved to lay on top of him, letting him wrap his arms around you. You kissed him again, tasting yourself on his lips. “You going to get your pants off or do I have to do that myself?” You asked.
“You still want me to fuck you?” He asked, seeming surprised. You laughed slightly.
“Is your cock still hard?”
He groaned, shifting under you. “Don’t talk like that, it makes me want to throw you down and take you rough.” He slapped your bare ass, making you yelp in surprise. You wanted him to do it again.
“Maybe I want to be taken rough,” You said. You dragged your teeth against his ear lobe, making him squeeze tighter to you. “I want to feel your hard cock fill me up.”
You let out a surprised giggle as he flipped you suddenly onto your back. He kissed you roughly as he fumbled with his pants. He didn’t even take them all the way off, instead pushing them halfway down his thighs. You caught a glimpse of his whole length and you tried not to gasp but failed. You’d heard girls talk about men with above average equipment but you had trouble believing any could be as big as his.
“We don’t have to,” He said, mistaking your gasp as something else. You kissed him again, spreading your legs beneath him and letting him press against you. You could feel his tip at your entrance. You rolled your hips, pushing it in a little farther and making him groan. He held your hip down, his forehead pressed to yours. “Fuck, love, it’s not going to be gentle,” He warned.
“Don’t be gentle.”
With one long thrust he was fully inside you and you let out an involuntary scream of pleasure. He clapped his hand over your mouth, snapping his hips again. Your eyes screwed shut as you felt every inch of him. It bordered on pain, how much he stretched you, but it felt so good your eyes watered. He grunted as he pounded into you, finally replacing his hand with his mouth over yours, kissing you sloppily. Your hands clawed at his back, but he didn’t seem to mind.
“You feel so fucking good,” He groaned out as he thrust into you. “I’m not going to last.”
He moved his hand between your bodies. You cried out again as his thumb found your clit again. “Sandor, please.”
“Are you going to come, love?” The Hound said, his thrusts slowing slightly as he kept his rhythm on your clit. “I want to hear you say it.”
“Please,” You begged. “I’m going to come.”
He picked up his pace, your thighs shaking as you felt yourself go over the edge, his name coming out like a chant. He moved his hand away, steadying himself on the bed as his thrusts got wilder, until finally a quick shudder went through him as he emptied himself deep inside you. You only felt his weight for a moment before he pulled himself out as he rolled off of you onto his back, breathing hard. You turned on your side, curling close to his warm, hairy body. He wrapped his arm around you, bringing you closer. He pulled the blanket over you both, his eyes already closed.
“Pretty good,” You said, resting your head on his chest as he rubbed your arm absently. “As far as punishments go, I suppose.”
He gave you another sharp spank, making you laugh. “Go to sleep, or I’ll punish you again.”
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How about #34 and #9 on the fluff/angst list?Ship is yours to decide
34- “Please don’t do this.” 9- “You meant too much to me.” | Platonic Timari
Note: reverse robins au, where Tim was the one captured by Joker instead, choosing to take his own life instead of break under torture. Marinette, having given up LB post Hawkmoth’s defeat, chooses to take up her dead brother’s mantle after seeing Bruce spiral. She is also Bruce’s biological child in this au.
I got reaaaally into reverse robins, and this is the result.
TW: suicide mention
Her father and Alfred are being increasingly shifty about the Red Hood, abruptly stopping conversations when she enters the room and changing the subject when she brings up the mysterious man who’s been picking off the corrupted people in this city.
So she makes a plan to look into it in her own time, carefully watching and observing to find a free time slot, and seizes the opportunity.
Dad is at a WE meeting because Lucius threatened him with no gadgets for a month if he didn’t show again, Alfred is asleep (because he is actually human, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary), and Damian is in Bludhaven with Jon, both working their respective day jobs as an officer in the BPD and a journalist.
Marinette silently logs into the Batcomputer, bypassing the security on Hood’s file with a little help from Oracle (hey, Steph was being kept out of the dark too, and they were both curious.)
She reads the basic information, and scrolls down to the DNA section.
Her blood runs cold when she sees the information listed there, because how can it be a match?
He’s dead.
Dead.
Captured by the Joker, tortured near the breaking point, before taking his own life with a shard of broken glass to preserve their secrets.
She watched them lower his body into the ground. Watched as his friends and family stood there, under the clear blue sky, which seemed too pretty for such a terrible day.
Watched as his teammates broke down around his grave, as Bruce’s face crumpled when everyone else is gone.
Watched Damian, two weeks later, finally show up and leave a single purple hyacinth, kneeling in front of the headstone and tracing the letter with a single finger, head bowed, before leaving.
She searched up the meaning of the flower. I am sorry, please forgive me.
She mourned him.
Mourned a brother, so kind and intelligent, who never really knew how much he meant to all of them.
She has her own suspicions about how he was captured in the first place, but pointing fingers would do more harm than good.
Her father spiraled again, after he died.
She didn’t want to do it. Didn’t want to introduce a new Robin, and slowly let the world forget about the second. Robin should have died with Tim.
But Batman will not stop, and as long as he keeps fighting, he’ll need a Robin to hold him back.
Marinette dons the costume, two months after they bury him, and tries to forget that this uniform, his spare, still smells like him.
She’s wearing a dead boy’s clothes.
Alfred helps her make a new one after that first night.
Eventually, he does accept her as Robin. He trains her harder than he did both Damian and Tim.
She pushes through.
And now, four years later, there’s evidence proclaiming that he’s alive.
Alive, and on a killing spree, weeding out Gotham’s corrupt at the very center, strategically taking people out to topple the system.
A laugh escapes her, even as her shoulders shake with tears, because the methods are so familiar, so Tim, that she doesn’t know how she didn’t notice earlier.
She asks Jason to cover for her that night.
He agrees without any questions, seeing the serious look on her face. Marinette has never been more grateful for the boy she and Dad found stealing the tires of the Batmobile.
After Batman leaves (Robin is benched until Red Hood is taken care of, whatever that means), and she pretends to go to bed, she opens her closet and pushes against the hidden panel in the back wall, revealing a spare uniform.
Robin escapes out her window, even though she knows that Alfred will have been alerted by the window opening.
Too bad for them, though, because she removed all the trackers except the emergency beacon, which can only be activated from her side.
The Red Hood is elusive, but she knows his tricks. She keeps up with him as he turns corner after corner, jumps from building to building, until he stops on the roof of Wayne Enterprises.
“Robin.” He says, helmet filtering out any signs that it’s her brother underneath. “But you’re not really Robin, are you? You’re wearing a dead boy’s clothes.”
She can’t help it, she flinches at how casually he speaks of his own death.
“Tim.” She tugs at the uniform, which has never fit right, despite it being tailored to her exact measurements. “What happened to you?”
“What happened? I died, that’s what happened.” The helmet comes off with a click and a hiss of air, and then it’s just her brother, older, eyes violent green, face twisted into a sneer. “I went off to follow the lead on the Joker myself, since Big Bird shut the door in my face and told me it wouldn’t amount to anything, got myself captured, and ended my own life to preserve their secrets. But you should know all of that, Replacement.”
The nickname is like a dagger to the heart. “I never wanted to replace you, the same way you didn’t want to replace Damian.” She says steadily, staring straight into his eyes even as her heart skitters frantically. “I was keeping Robin’s legacy alive.”
“Robin should have died with me.”
“You know as much as I do that Batman needs a Robin, and Batman would not stop fighting as long as he lives.” She replies. “I never wanted to be Robin, Tim. It’s been four years, and it still feels like it doesn’t fit. But there was nobody else to do it, no one else to bring him out of that spiral.”
Tim is silent for a moment, so she continues.
“Come home, Tim. Please. We’ve all missed you so much. Dad isn’t the same anymore. No one is. We can be a family again.”
“Don’t you see, Marinette? I was never meant to be Robin, either. I was just that one annoying kid who wouldn’t leave Bruce alone, the one who blackmailed him into letting a second Robin out onto the streets. Even after I moved in, I was just that one kid who never really belonged, the outsider trying to insert himself into a family, pretending that Bruce cared for me as much as he did his biological children. Bruce only allowed me to stay in the Manor because I knew his secret. Damian made no effort to hide his disgust around me. You- you were the only one in that house who treated me like an equal.”
He draws a gun and points it at her, and she hears the safety click off. “But you’re Robin. He shouldn’t have made another child Robin. He should have said no, let the legacy die.”
“Tim,” She pleads. “Please don’t do this.”
Something in his eyes waver for a moment, fading to blue, before they harden into acid green again. “You meant too much to me. Let’s see if you mean enough to Batman too, enough for him to arrive on time.”
The gun goes off with a bang, and she feels the bullet enter through a crack in her armor, burying itself in her torso. The pain is nothing new, but overwhelming all the same as her entire body seems to be on fire.
The last thing she does before everything goes black is calibrate the beacon to send the signal to Nightwing only, before smashing the button with all her remaining strength.
I hope Flamebird gets them here on time.
There are two reasons why she chooses to send it to Nightwing, and Nightwing only. One being because Damian doesn’t know that Tim is alive, and despite everything, he deserves to.
The other?
She doesn’t trust her father to make it.
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Did you ever make a bad assumption about a character ? What if your theories are wrong ?
Hi there!
These are two questions so I will answer them separately if you don’t mind.
Did you ever make a bad assumption about a character ?
Of course, I did! I changed my mind about the three heads of the dragon at least five times if not more. I read the prologue to A Feast for Crows seven times ( seven!!!) before I got all the clues. I also remember that I thought Jaqen was really a Lorathi assassin when I was reading A Clash of Kings Harrenhal chapters for the first time. Somehow I always knew the face Arya saw was his true face ( I was right about that part actually ) and I really loved his Lorathi persona and the pattern of speech. I even wanted him to be the Lorathi. I thought that introducing a significant character that didn’t belong to the Great Houses was more interesting that staying in the old circle of nobles.
I’m sure I made a lot more bad assumptions about particular scenes from the books. Especially at the time when I believed that the show was faithful to GRRM’s story. I read the books once and I promised myself that I won’t re-read them until GRRM completes the series. But I do re-read some parts once in a while and every time it hits me how rich the story is and how easily it is to miss something if you don’t pay close attention to details, symbols, quotes from other stories and so on. If you have anything specific in mind, anything I wrote, please ask!
What if your theories are wrong ?
Nothing at all. I didn’t invest any money in promoting my stuff, I’m not losing anything. I was offered a paid interview on Quora and I declined because the user called Daenerys “a Stalin with tits” one time too many. I don’t have the time for that level of ignorance nor do I care.
I don’t need to make profits from ASOIAF analysis.
I write about ASOIAF because I love GRRM’s riddles and I want to help people understand the books.
Some things I notice in the books have never been mentioned before. Some things were mentioned by low-profile authors and they go unnoticed or forgotten. I think it’s good to remind and discuss them because it helps us get what GRRM is writing about. I never take credit for someone else’s ideas.
I won’t tell you when exactly everything will happen. I don’t know which chapter of The Winds of Winter will be about Daenerys coming to Westeros or when exactly Young Griff will die or what fate awaits Sam precisely or what every moment of the Battle for Dawn will look like apart from dragons being involved. Still, I know some of my guesses are correct.
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
What I think/know will happen:
1. Young Griff will ruin his potential alliances rejecting offers of marriage. His promising conquest will end tragically and the boy will die. Though I think he is a good person, just too young to be reasonable. I think he will die a heroic death.
2. Arya and Jaqen/Aegon will be together though I’m not sure for how long because the foreshadowing for Aegon is contradictory. I think that all the bad stuff is meant for fake Aegon but I might be wrong. GRRM is a pretty bloodthirsty author.
3. Jaqen is Aegon, Elia Martell’s son with Rhaegar.
4. Jaqen will leave the Citadel and frame Sam in stealing the book about dragons. J. will hatch his dragon, find Daenerys and together they will go to the North. Daenerys will fall in love with him. They will fall apart because of Arya.
5. Septa Lemore is Serra, Illyrio’s wife and Young Griff’s mother.
6. Ashara Dayne lives in the House of Black and White. She is the Waif.
7. The Kindly Man is Aegon V who survived Summerhall and fled to Braavos. Aegon/Jaqen is his last hope. Aegon V dreams about the rebirth of dragons.
8. Jon won’t be resurrected by Melisandre. Jon will survive in Ghost and will be reborn by the end of the books. Perhaps even as Arya’s first child.
9. Benjen is a warg too. Benjen lives beyond the Wall with the pack of wolves. Jon will find him when he escapes the Wall.
10. The three heads of the dragon are the equivalent of the Holy Trinity. Rhaegar is the father, Aegon is the son and Arya is the Holy Spirit - love. I realized it only recently when I saw GRRM’s interview about the 3 heads and the Trinity connection. He does spill the beans sometimes. Though he could just write the books. Who needs more interviews?!
11. The Valonqar is Jaqen/Aegon.
12. Bran is not supposed to be that good. On the contrary, at the moment he is very selfish. He will be crowned because every other contender to the throne will be dead or missing. Bran might be a good ruler after all.
13. Lyanna and Rhaegar are buried together in Winterfell.
14. Lady Stoneheart will cause great turmoil that will be one of the factors leading to a dance of dragons. LS will be the reason of Jaime’s change of heart too.
I suppose those are the major ones. If you follow them through you will realize why the show’s ending seemed so outlandish. They skipped almost everything that led to that resolution. The resolution itself was also half-faithful to GRRM’s version.
If you have more questions, please ask. Though I answer as slowly as GRRM writes ASOIAF;D
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Notes: Previously...
I wasn’t eactually thinking I would finish this today, but I can’t say I’m upset I did.
I hope you like it ;)
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Chapter 4
Waking up in Jon’s arms was a surreal experience to Sansa.
It’d never happened before.
Every night they spent as husband and wife ended politely with them taking care of cleaning themselves, then turning to opposite sides and falling asleep.
Not to say that Sansa hadn’t dreamt of waking up just like this; so tangled up in Jon she had a hard time telling where she ended and he started.
She could feel every inch of him pressed against her naked skin, his breath fanning her neck, his arm like a steel bar around her waist and another part of him that seemed quite awake.
For a minute, Sansa wondered if this was a dream. Was she still asleep, dreaming of things that would never happen?
Had everything been a dream? How he’d kissed her? How he took her?
The way he’d said she always had him?
He really said that, didn’t he?
What did this mean exactly? Should she hope he loved her like she did him?
Did she dare hope for so much?
She felt Jon stirring behind her, pulling her body impossibly closer, his lips pressing against her skin.
“Jon?” She called softly.
“Aye, my love?” He answered sleepily.
Sansa’s heart almost skipped a beat, but she needed to keep calm to talk to him. She needed to know exactly what he felt.
There was a part of her that wanted to put some distance between them, that was embarrassed about being naked in the daylight like this. It was the same part that couldn’t believe she’d jumped on him like that the night before.
However, her body was being kind enough to remember her how great that had been.
Sansa wasn’t a woman to hide behind a few glasses of wine. If she was brave to make love to Jon with all the candles lit, she was brave enough to look at him in the morning.
She moved her body, intent on turning to face him. For a second, Jon’s hold on her got tighter -like he didn’t want her to get away -but eventually he realized what she was actually trying to do so he gave her enough space to move.
As soon as she’d turned and was facing him, Jon pulled her against his body again. He grabbed her leg and threw it over his waist, their lowered bodies pressed against each other in a manner that left Sansa no doubt how hard he was -not that she had that particular doubt before.
He made no move to enter her, though. He only hid his face on her neck and breathed her in.
Jon was a cuddler. She couldn’t believe she was only learning that then.
“Jon? I think we need to talk.” She called gently.
Jon’s shoulders shook and Sansa realized he was chuckling. “I’m really bad at that.”
Sansa let out a relieved laughter. “I know.”
Jon finally raised his head, so he could look into her eyes. His hand came up and he caressed her face. “You are so beautiful you take my breath away.”
Sansa’s heart was beating insanely inside her chest. Her lips became dry in her nervousness, her fear of hoping.
“I… I think you’re quite good with words.” She finally said, making Jon sigh.
“No. If I were I could have done this before.” He took a deep breath in. “I feel like I'm doing this all wrong. I had a plan.”
“A plan?”
“Aye.” He probably didn’t notice the amusement in her voice. “I wanted you to have a quiet day, to rest. I was going to bring you back here and let you read and sleep.”
“You wanted me to sleep more?” She frowned.
“I didn’t want you to think…” He took another deep breath in. “I love to touch you. I love your taste in my mouth, your moans in my ears and your body on mine. I love the nights we spend together, but it’s not only that. I love much more than that. Your mind, your eyes, your heart… Sansa, I love all of you. I love you.”
Once again, Sansa feared she was dreaming. It was beyond her greediest wishes to have Jon loving her like this. She didn’t doubt his words, because Jon wasn’t a man who would say things he didn’t mean, and yet…
This couldn’t be real.
“Sansa? Have I spoken…"
“I…” She couldn’t control the tears that were falling. “I needed this so much. You, your love. But I was so scared, so…”
“Sansa.” He called softly, dropping a kiss to her forehead. “I was afraid too. I think I still am. So many things happened, so much was lost…”
“I love you too.” She whispered to him, eyes closed. “So much.”
Jon let out a relieved sigh. “I want us to promise to believe we deserve this. You know how stubborn I am, so you’ll need to remind me.”
“I will.” She promised with a watery chuckle. “I’ll try to remember it too, since I tend to always expect the worst.”
Jon dropped another kiss to her forehead, then one to the tip of her nose, and finally a sweet kiss to her lips.
“Thank you for loving me.” He told her honestly.
She pressed her lips harder to his. Jon was already pushing the sheet covering them away, rolling Sansa to her back, when someone knocked on the door.
Loudly.
“Don’t stop whatever you two are doing.” Arya’s voice came clearly from the other side. She was almost yelling. “We’ve decided that you two deserve to rest today. You are forbidden from coming out of the room. If Jon was smart enough to tell you he loves you, Sansa. If he didn’t, now you know. Enjoy the day and we’ll never talk about this again.”
Jon and Sansa -who’d frozen when they’d heard the knocking -burst into laughter.
“They are going to spoil us like this.” Sansa commented.
“Please, this is our last chance for the next ten years, I think.” He grinned at her. “Let us enjoy it before they change their minds.”
Sansa didn’t think any of them would change their minds, but it didn’t stop her from enjoying the day greatly.
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Let the Sunshine In - Chapter Seven
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Marinette kind of knew what to expect this time, and she wouldn’t make the same mistakes. (She felt a little bad that she was the reason he was unconscious this time, but desperate times called for desperate measures.)
For some reason, the kwami were even more agitated this time. They zipped around his unconscious body, muttering things to each other in such low voices that Marinette couldn’t catch what exactly they had been saying. In general they seemed excited, but there was also a wave of worry amongst them that she was a little scared to ask about. So, instead she busied herself with getting things ready - making more soup, and getting fluids nearby to give him when he woke up. He hadn’t healed completely the first time she’d dragged him home, and he was impossibly in even worse shape now than he had been then.
When Jay woke up, she was ready. His waking was violent and frightened, but she was there to pin him down and make sure he didn’t do anything he would regret.
“Jay. Jay! Calm down, you’re safe! It’s me, Marinette!” she shouted to hopefully get through to him.
After a few moments of thrashing, he stilled, his eyes finally focusing. “Marinette?”
“Yes, Marinette,” she repeated, letting up on him. “We need to talk. Why did you run away, especially if it meant that you ended up on the street?”
“How did I get here?” he asked, looking around, bewildered. “Also, how did you fix everything so well? It looks like nothing ever happened.”
“I may have knocked you out earlier and I’m good with my hands. But seriously Jay, why did you run away?”
He finally looked at her, his eyes a somber blue. “Marinette, you saw what I did to this place. I wasn’t in control at all, and that terrifies me. What if something like that happens again and I hurt you instead?”
Marinette’s heart twisted at the devastation in his eyes. “Jay, you didn’t hurt me. And even if you tried to, I’m not a pushover. But I’m also not afraid of getting hurt, it wouldn’t be the first or last time. We’re never going to find a solution to this if you keep running away.”
“This is crazy, you barely know me. Why are you risking yourself this way?” he asked, shaking his head.
“Because I can’t leave someone scared and alone,” Marinette said seriously. “Paris has been suffering for a long time - I’ve been suffering for a long time. But I’ve recently realized that we’re not going to be able to get through any of this if we don’t start helping each other more. You probably don’t realize this, but just you being here has helped me more than I can say. I… This is going to sound weird, but it almost feels like I know you, Jay. Just… just let me help you, please.”
Unconsciously, Marinette clenched her hands into fists, worried about how this would be perceived. She watched his face closely, observing the emotions that passed over it.
“Okay,” he finally said, quietly. “I’ll trust you, and I… I’ll try to trust myself.”
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As terrified as Jason was, the strange… stability he’d noticed from being around Marinette before held true even now. It was like pieces of his mind were slowly shifting back into his control the longer he sat in her house. He was still impossibly broken, but he could function to a degree.
The thought of trusting himself around Marinette was absurd, at least in his mind. The thought of hurting her was physically painful - but even as he was attempting to plan his next great escape, he couldn’t bring himself to actually make the preparations to go through with it. Even with her physical welfare potentially in jeopardy, Jason knew that she might never forgive him if he left again, and he couldn’t have that.
It was amazing what a few days of eating real food and actually sleeping could do for a person. He was still convinced that Marinette was the cause of any and all improvements, but he was beginning to remember that there were things he actually liked about being alive. He liked the taste of Marinette’s cooking, and the light that was finding its way back into her eyes whenever they talked. He liked the feeling of a bed of his own once more, and coming to it every night.
He liked how obvious Marinette made it that she wasn’t letting him go anywhere anytime soon. She cleaned out one of her fabric rooms in the basement to make a space for him. (Initially Jason felt bad about this until he realized that the entire basement was filled with fabric and other sewing paraphernalia.)
“There are going to be some ground rules, obviously,” Marinette said, brushing a lock of hair out of her face. The two of them had just finished moving all of the needed furniture into his room, and Jason had to admit that he was more than a little attracted to her after seeing her heft an antique wooden dresser all by herself.
“Hit me with them.”
“I won’t pry into your life as long as you don’t pry into mine,” she said frankly, collapsing onto the bed. “I would love for us to be friends, but there are things I can’t tell you. I’ll take care of your room and board, and in return I might make you do some housework or something. No, you’re not going to pay me back. This is something I want to do for you, Jay.”
When she looked at him with those soulful blue eyes, Jason found that the protests that had been forming died on his lips. “I’ll find a way to pay you back eventually, but for now I guess that works.”
She smiled, but it wasn’t without weariness. “There’s one more thing you should know. When I found you this last time, I found your costume. I know you’re the Red Hood.”
Author’s Note:
Taglist: Hey everyone, I know it's been forever. Life has been insane (duh) lately, but I also decided to participate in Jasonette July, which turns out to take a lot of time and inspiration. If you're interested, you can check out "How to be a Dad 101" and "Dream of Me," which were my entries for it. I also just started grad school, so I can't guarantee any sort of update schedule. Thank you all for sticking with me, and I'm really excited for the things coming up in this story! If I didn’t tag you for some reason and you want to be tagged, just leave a comment!
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20 Questions: Writer’s Edition
Thank you for tagging me @jupiterix
How many works do you have on AO3?
5
What’s your total AO3 word count?
103,683
How many fandoms have you written for and what are they?
Only ASOIAF/Game of Thrones
What are your top five fics by kudos?
1. Set Fire to the Rain
2. Bad Decisions
3. Have Mercy
4. Cockblock the Bull
5. So, before you go
Do you respond to comments, why or why not?
Absolutely... I try to get to them the same day. I love hearing or in this case reading how much someone enjoyed something I worked so hard on. It’s its own little motivation and I want people to know I appreciate it.
What’s the fic you’ve written with the angstiest ending?
None so far...
What’s the fic you’ve written with the happiest ending?
Pretty much all of them that have endings.. The happiest so far might be Set Fire to the Rain because we see those lovelies together and expecting a little bundle of snow of their own 🥰
Do you write crossovers? If yes, what’s the craziest thing you’ve written?
Never written a crossover, but my last fic was inspired by the movie Two Night Stand.
Have you ever received hate on a fic?
I’ve gotten a slightly spicy (not the good spice) comment on a story but not any all out hate. I hope to keep it that way. Life’s too short for that negativity.
Do you write smut? If so what kind?
There’s one M and the rest is E. I don’t know if I can write anything tame at this point 😂
Have you ever had a fic stolen?
Not that I'm aware of.. Then again, who would steal from little ole me?
Have you ever had a fic translated?
No
Have you ever co-written a fic?
No, but I think it could be fun.
What’s your all time favourite ship?
Jonerys... Not sure what happened here, but I will go down with this ship! Gendrya is a close second because I adore Arya & her sass!
What’s a WIP you want to finish but don’t think you ever will?
Possibly, Bad Decisions 😔 It makes me sad to think about, let alone admit, but after the fiasco w/ season 8 I've had a really hard time returning to canon GoT. I hope I can pull it together long enough to at least give a conclusion to it. 🤞🏾
What’s your writing strengths?
I’d like to think I'm pretty good at dialogue. I love the banter between characters. I'm great at coming up w/ overall premises for a story, even from just one scene, but I'm still getting better w/ actually starting the writing on the ideas I have 😂
What’s your writing weaknesses?
Descriptions are my kryptonite. I can see something in my head & then figuring out how convey that in a way that makes sense to someone else is my own person Mt. Everest! 😩
What are your thoughts on writing dialogue in other languages in fic?
I’m okay with it, I've done it, but if its not something that I can copy & paste into google translate, I'd definitely like the translation to be somewhere in the fic so I can piece together what’s say... That way I know how deep or surprised I need to feel.
What was the first fandom you wrote for?
GoT... Jonerys & Gendrya, haven’t been invested enough in anything else to write it although I might read it.
What’s your favorite fic you’ve written?
My favorite? I love them all, but I think I had the most fun writing So, before you go. The thought of being stuck for who knows how long with your one night stand is hilarious to me! 😂 Multi-chapter wise, the one true answer is Set Fire to the Rain. The journey of those two from best friends to each other’s worlds was amazing!
I’m pretty sure every writer I know of has already been tagged and answered these questions. If there is anyone who hasn’t been tagged & sees this & wants to answer please do!
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