#piao chong

[stormiclown]

I know I might get bashed like hell for this but I don't care: Chat Noir and Ladybug are realistically the weakest Cat and Ladybug miraculous holders of their respective legacies.

And it's not just them. Every single Parisian hero of the current generation, from Rena Rouge to Viperion, are significantly weaker in terms of skill and power than their predecessors.

This isn't their fault entirely, as Ladybug and co have more disadvantages than the heroes that have come before them and there are those who don't take the job seriously [Chat Noir and Queen Bee].

They're Very Young

The first most glaring issue is the fact that they are still minors. The most consistent rule of the show is that a miraculous being used by a child is like the free trial version of a streaming service. Five minutes after using their special power, they will de-transform and will need to feed their kwami to resume their transformation. Unlike Hawkmoth and Mayura who can keep up their transformation even after using an akuma/amok, Ladybug and Chat Noir have to proceed with caution because they aren't grownups which limits their ability to fight all out. This is especially the case with Chat Noir and Ladybug as they are the main superheroes and characters used to emphasize this rule.

If the wiki is to be believed, then previous Ladybugs like La Déesse Coccinelle, Piao Chong, Tentomushi, Jeanne d'Arc (in the mlb universe), and Mudangbeolle were all adults according to their respective time periods and didn't have the same restrictions that the current Ladybug has. The same could be said about previous foxes, bees, turtles, snakes etc.

They Lack the Necessary Training

The second drawback that Marinette and Adrien have are their backgrounds. More specifically, their comfortable lifestyles. Marinette in particular, went from a clumsy girl who lived a normal life to a beloved superheroine in just one day. Not that there's anything wrong with that on a character level, but on a logical level it makes sense for her to be ill prepared for the duties of a hero at first. She was thrusted into it suddenly with no training [something I see is regularly addressed in crossover fanfictions with Batman and the DCU] or any background in combat, the latter she had to learn on her own. Though it's hinted at that Sabine is an exceptional fighter, it's pretty clear that she taught none of it to Marinette.

Adrien at least has some combat training in the form of fencing which is evident in the way he uses his staff like a fencing saber. But as someone who has been fencing since I was seven and been up against many talented opponents, Adrien strikes me as mediocre at best. He beats Kagami in Riposte sure, but by real fencing standards Adrien would be slaughtered by someone who had been trained their entire life to be an Olympic worthy fencer [Kagami].

I'm bringing this up because literally every past Ladybug, Black, and others have experience in combat, were vigilantes in armies, were warriors before using their miraculous, or fought in actual wars therefore becoming hardened veterans. In this category Adrien [again, even though he's mediocre] and Kagami are the only heroes of the current generation who have previous training in the form of a combat-oriented sport. Though, in my opinion, Kagami as Ryuko is the only hero that can hold a candle to her predecessors.

Alya, Nino, and Chloe are also very weak in this regard due to the aforementioned reasons above. They all have comfortable lifestyles and were thrusted into the world of heroes without any training or focus. Chloe nearly ran into a wall because she wasn't paying attention and Alya needed to be guilt tripped into giving the miraculous to Ladybug by Trixx. You can make the argument that the miraculous costumes make up for their lack of actual experience, which is 100% valid, but I can also argue that having battle training or any sort of athleticism can make a hero even more effective. I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, but Kagami will always be the most effective and skilled temporary hero as evidenced by her being able to piece together her transformation phase, her attention to detail, her impressive battle awareness and her ability to right her mistakes [jumping into the fight without listening to Ladybug's plan in Ikari Gozen] with her quick thinking. Say what you will about her, but Kagami is objectively the best candidate to be a permanent hero, especially since Chat Noir has been demoted to sidekick/temporary hero status.

[Kim is also an athletic person, but his skill is in swimming, which isn't helpful unless he has an aqua form, which he doesn't so ehh]

They Have Little to No Knowledge of Their Own Powers

The third thing that the heroes have going against them is their lack of knowledge about their powers. By this point in the series, the heroes are just going with the flow and figuring things out for themselves as they go along.

As we know, these are the first heroes since the Order of the Guardians was destroyed. This context is important because in Feast, we learn that countless grimoires and Miracle Boxes burned away or eaten.

The miraculous date back to Ancient Times so there had to have been thousands of years of documented information about the miraculous of the Chinese Miracle Box. I'm not even going to say it's an assumption. It has to be a fact that there were secrets about each miraculous including how to train each Guardian that would have been extremely helpful to Ladybug and the others if they had access to it. Master Fu is responsible for tens of thousands of years' worth of knowledge being snuffed out in just one night.

This puts the heroes who wielded a miraculous after the Order was destroyed at a significant, almost sad disadvantage to those who were heroes before the Order fell. It's highly likely that after gaining their miraculous, previous heroes had access to the archive in which they could learn to utilize their powers to their absolute fullest potential. Whereas with the current heroes, it feels like they can only use a fraction of their miraculous's abilities.

Another problem with their lack of knowledge is the time separating Ladybug and Chat Noir from their predecessors. Bo Rua and an unnamed Vietnamese Black Cat were the last LadyCat duo before Feast swallowed the Order, with Adrien and Marinette being their immediate successors. However, Master Fu was confirmed to be in his 180s when he relinquished the Miracle Box to Marinette and Austruc confirmed Bo Rua and her partner to be in their early twenties, meaning that Bo Rua and LadyNoir have over 200 years separating them, confirming that their knowledge was lost over time after they died and can only be recovered by speaking to their spirits like in Reunion [which I have several complaints about]. Master Fu is obviously lacking knowledge about the miraculous to a severe degree, so it makes sense for Chat Noir and Ladybug to as well.

I'm not bashing Adrien and Marinette and co for being objectively weak because it makes so much sense. They lack proper training, they're kids with set limits on their powers, and they don't have access to crucial information that would've probably led them to defeat Hawkmoth by now. Sure, the two of them [more so Marinette] are the strongest heroes of their generation but if you put them up against their forebearers, they would be massacred with no difficulty whatsoever.

The show would be 100 times more interesting if this was acknowledged, which would lead to the introduction of the previous holders in a more natural and useful way.

[If I missed anything, any reblogs with your personal opinions on the matter will be very appreciated]

[awholelotofladybug]

(Stammering Adrien AU) Tikki tell Marinette about a tragic story about Consort Yu and Xiang Yu, who are actually the 1st Piao Chong and He Mao (I'd headcanon them as the first Piao Chong and He Mao).

Marinette: Really? The first ones?

Tikki: You bet. You should have seen it. They were almost as inexperienced as you and Adrien.

Marinette: You're kidding.

Tikki: Not at all. Yu was a lot like you, you know. She has a tendency to trip over her own feet. But she still managed to help many people before she passed away.

Marinette: Wow, Tikki. It's amazing to know how many heroes you've helped throughout history.

Tikki: Well, don't be too starstruck. *nervous laugh* Even I had a few bad apples...

Marinette: Really? Like who?

Tikki: Ummm, have you ever heard of Victor Frankenstein?

Marinette: THE Doctor Frankenstein?!

Tikki: *deep breath* Well for starters, he wasn't an actual doctor. He dropped out of college...

[tammulberry]

MIRACULOUS DYNASTIES: Introduction to an AU by T.A.M. Mulberry

READ THE 1ST CHAPTER HERE

Long ago, before the rise of machines, there were miracles… 

For centuries, worthy heroes were given jewels that granted extraordinary magic from beyond this world. There are two miracle jewels, however, that stand on top of the hierarchy. The Ladybug of Creation and the Black Cat of Destruction. Juxtaposed for eternity — as one cannot live without the other. 

Legend has it — that when both these jewels are used at the same time, one will have the power to alter reality itself. 

“Are you willing to pay the price of absolute power?”

Copyright © 2024 by T.A.M. Mulberry

OVERVIEW

I started working on this AU by the time Season 3 was still airing. It is basically an alternate universe exploring a different timeline, origin and conflict for Marinette, Adrien and the rest of the crew. I've been wanting to share it for the past few years but never got around to doing it. Might as well do it later than never.

There won't be any major spoilers here since I have an entire story for this AU laid out for the world to see so if you ever find this post, make sure to stay tuned to any updates on le prologue chapter.

GENERAL CHANGES

Marinette and Adrien start out as 18-19 year old students that go to a Lycée Francoise Dupont of the Fine Arts instead .

The setting is in a post-modern futuristic Paris with advanced technology.

Most of the people in the story are from the Uptown area in Paris, because one of the themes in the story explores the superficiality of fame and money along with the dark side of being a celebrity.

The general tone and mood is darker but it's still cute and wholesome.

Miraculous and Miraculi are used interchangeably due to an in AU translation error by past historians.

The inheritance of Miraculi operate on a dynastic cycle that can be overthrown.

Less villains but are reoccurring

POWER SYSTEM

So this is my take on the Miraculous power system for this AU. I wanted it to be a lot grander and powerful so that the risks of wielding one will be even more apparent. This will only be showing a brief history, the kwami name change + other definition of terms and the types of miraculous.

DIFFERENT TERMS & ADDED TERMS

Chi / Qi: It is the general term for the power within someone.

Tianshi Energy: This is pure energy and it loosely translates to angel. It is a force that is created after a sacrifice.

Mogui Energy: Similar to an akuma, a Mogui translates to devil in Mandarin. It is a dark force that is created from the inner evil of human souls.

Qiji: The name change of the Kwamis. It means "miracle."

Miànshā: The veil that keeps the identities of Miraculous holders hidden.

ENERGY BALANCE / CHI

Because of an event that had happened in Ancient China that involved someone using both the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous to grant them the wish to drive out anyone that wanted to overthrow the Middle Kingdom, there was a sudden surge in Mogui energy that overthrew the Tianshi Energy. Overtime, this corrupted the state of the world as it continued to spread. That was, until Piao Chong and Hei Mao brought the balance back.

THE QIJI

For this AU, the kwamis are known by a Chinese term instead to be consistent with the lore of the Miracle Box because its roots in China will be explored.

The Qijis (pronounced: CHEE-jee) were first discovered by an Ancient Chinese Monk and they were the first ones to be converted into Miraculi, meaning that they were the oldest ones made. In English, it roughly translates to miracle which is why the Miraculi today are known as — well, Miraculous.

"Maybe we got lost in translation."

"You can't just insert a reference with no correlation to the topic at hand."

TYPES OF MIRACULOUS

YIN AND YANG MIRACULOUS

These are the first Qijis that manifested into existence. They are the most powerful Miraculi to be created and they were made to balance each other out. Only Creation can restore Destruction and only Destruction can completely destroy Creation. Even if they are individually more powerful than any of the other Miraculi, they need to simultaneously exist with each other to keep the balance.

Ladybug & Black Cat

LOTUS MIRACULOUS

These are the Miraculous that manifested from both the concepts of Creation and Destruction. They are not as powerful but they do have more specific applications. They are based on the different aspects of a human psyche and represent the different Chinese elements. Because they rely on both Yin and Yang aspects that have stemmed from the Ladybug and Black Cat, they also have passive abilities when they are detransformed.

Turtle, Moth, Peacock, Fox & Bee

ZODIAC MIRACULOUS

Now these are the Miraculi that stemmed from the Lotus Miraculi. While the ones mentioned are based on the Human Psyche, the Zodiac is based on the natural world and the abiotic elements of it. They all have different forms that change depending on the season, natural phenomena or internal balance. However, their fifth forms all give them a limit of 5 Minutes to use before transforming back and they cannot switch between forms while in transformation.

Rat, Ox, Tiger, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster, Dog & Pig

TIMELINE

PREHISTORY - The Eons of Wild

“Eons have passed, floating in space Without a name and without a face The avatar of creation had nothing to create Until destruction birthed another with no name.”

— a passage from the ancient days

ANCIENT HISTORY – The Age of Miracles

"It was only during then that the beings that have existed longer than all of human history were given names. They started to embody the traits that early humans possessed and observed them from birth to death. A fragile existence."

— an excerpt from historical research

MIDDLE AGES – The War of Regimes

"Elite families were originally chosen by the monk that created the jewels. However, just as dynasties can be overthrown, so can the families of ancient history."

— an excerpt from historical research

MODERN HISTORY - The Rise of Machines

"Revolution. Industry. Progress. Suppression. The future. The rise of machines was the fall of the old world. The fall of miracles."

— an excerpt from a monk.

MAIN TIMELINE — The Convergence

As the leaves began to fall, it was a sign that school was back in session; and for the eager high school students of Lycée Françoise Dupont of the Fine Arts, it was another opportunity to make it big in the industry. The hustle and bustle of aspiring musicians, actors and authors showed just how everyone was determined to make it there on time.

At least … most students were.

— an excerpt from Chapter 1

Stay tuned for more updates on this AU! I hope that you'll find something enjoyable about it once it comes out.

T.A.M. Mulberry

[eyenaku]

Ji ji fu ji ji

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[arthur-does-tingz]

NEED HELP W NAMES !

Hey y'all! I'm writing an MDZS x Miraculous fusion fic where a lot of our main cast are going to be superheroes. The main problem is that I'm having trouble thinking of titles for the superheroes (i.e. Hawkmoth, Ladybug, Cat Noir, Mayura etc.)

So far I have

Hei Mao/Cat Noir - WWX (Cat Miraculous)

Piao Chong/Ladybug - LWJ (Ladybug Miraculous)

Jade Tiger - NMJ (Tiger Miraculous)

Purple Thunder - JC (Dragon Miraculous)

And that's it, here's a list of characters with miraculous I assigned. Some of these characters won't be like main superheroes or villains but it'd be nice to have their names anyway hehe.

Nie Huaisang (Fox Miraculous)

Jiang Yanli (Turtle Miraculous)

Lan Jingyi (Ox Miraculous)

Wen Ning (Tiger Miraculous)

Lan Sizhui (Rabbit Miraculous)

Wen Qing (Snake Miraculous)

Ouyang Zizhen (Horse Miraculous)

Luo Qingyang (Goat Miraculous)

Song Lang (Monkey Miraculous)

Xiao Xingchen (Dog Miraculous)

Mo Xuanyu (Mouse Miraculous)

Jin Ling (Rooster Miraculous)

Qin Su (Pig Miraculous)

Jin Guangshan (Peacock Miraculous)

Appreciate y'all and love y'all

[nightfurylover31]

[nerdasaurus1200]

Line of Ladybugs

A list of all the canon Ladybug; in order of older to youngest (time-wise). Both for the Son of Man animatic description and for the fandom. Most of these dates are rough estimates, as well as their real names

Piao Chong (Ancient China)

Oracle of Khepri (Ancient Egypt)

Hippolyta (Ancient Greece)

Mudekudeku (Nambia)

Bo Rua (Vietnam)

Joan of Arc (France, 1425-1431)

Micazoyolin (Aztec Empire, late 1400s to early 1500s)

Tentomushi (Feudal Japan, late 1500s)

Maria Fernandez/La Mariquita (Mexico, 1700s)

Captain Marie Dupain/La Coccinelle (France, 1790-1830)

Marinette Dupain Cheng/Ladybug (France, 2014- )

[ballerinacorgi]

Ancestors AU commission for the lovely @ferisae !!! Guys....guys i love these two, halp.

Support me in other media or buy me a ko-fi!

[segldraws]

Loving @ferisae 's past Miraculous holders PIAO CHONG & HEI MAO

[dianasdailydoodles]

Oct. 15, 2019

Inktober Day 15: legend

Piáo Chóng is a legend, right? She was immortalized in the Miraculous Spellbook, after all.

I wanted to try something a little different today, so referenced some Chinese paintings.

[crazydreamerspwn]

Day 23: Ancient & Day 24: Dizzy

Piao Chong & Tikki from Miraculous Ladybug

[cobraonthecob]

😻😻😻

A piece I made last year for @miraculousfanworks charity zine "@newbeginningszine" . A small tribute to Marinette, my favorite girl, and (at the moment) all of the Ladybug Miraculous ancestors. Going from left to right, up and down: Mariquita , Jeanne d'Arc, La Coccinelle, Micazoyolin, Mudekudeku, Mudangbeolle, Hyppolitia, Khepri, Tentomushi, Bọ Rùa, Piáo Chóng.

Check my IG (art_of_lineith) for close-ups. Of course, credit to @ferisae for the designs of Tentomushi, Mikazoyolin, Bo Rúa and Khepri!! All others are by Thomas Astruc.

|Check my Miraculous Ladybug tag for redesigns and lukanette content| |DO NOT REPOST MY WORK|

[kari-go]

I can’t decide which one is better 😔

[gale-gentlepenguin]

What are your thoughts on the idea that Marinette is a descendant of Piao Chong, the first Ladybug (also the pictured in the Grimoire.)?

It doesnt add or take away anything to her character. Maybe adds a touch more to her connection to the Miraculous. Which is cool.

Unless they do something with it.

[nerdasaurus1200]

Piao Chong: Hippolyta, are you crying?

Hippolyta: No! I’m a Spartan! Spartans don’t cry!

Hippolyta: We sweat through our eyes. There’s a difference.