#petty bourgeoisie

[mariocki]

Play for Today: Bavarian Night (BBC, 1981)

"These bloody middle class parents, ooh, they do get up my nose! You can work yourself blue in the face for them, go out of your way to accommodate them, but it's no use! They're just out to carve and criticise and try to make a fool out of you! Oh, I felt like - I'm ashamed to tell you what I felt like."

"Giving her a good hiding?"

"Yes, somebody should have done, I don't mind saying so! Oh, they make me sick! Always had their own way, always had the best of everything; she should have been brought up in our house, my dad would've had her sorted! I'm sorry, Estelle, this isn't like me, I know. Well, that's my evening spoilt for a start!"

"But what about the sausages?"

[selamat-linting]

astagfirullah theres an nft art and cryptocurrency workshop in my town and its supported by the local government, punk and metal concert promoters, and the local alt radio station

[alientitty]

sometimes it's flooring just how much mainstream culture (not just media but like what and how people talk online or what products r available and stuff) holds the standards of affluent/upper middle class people when most people have nowhere near that kind of money, never have and never will. but i guess that's why they call it the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie

[pixalartantfarm]

none of my bills are past due right now

[aoife-godessofsleep]

Holy shit read Marx please Jesus.

So much wrong here I actually cant.

I fucking hate this "capitalism is when you make money, the more money you make, the more capitalism it is" mindset people have gotten. No, an artist selling their own work is not them engaging in capitalism, it's literally a worker owning their own means of production.

Remember capitalism is someone profiting off of someone else's labor though owning capital. It is not simply the act of profiting at all.

[sh3nlong-promakh0s]

I forgot how petty bourgeois liberal y'all mfs are who gives a shit ab intellectual property you will neverrrrrrrrrr be on the level of the haute bourgeoisie and those laws do not protect YOU. None of your ideas are original, don't defend laws that don't benefit anyone in the long term other than corporations and the bourgeoisie.

[egg0nface]

Dude my friends grandpa is a local right-wing politician and im in his car rn help

[caninecommie]

The panic about "ai" is particularly annoying for the fact that it's a hop and a skip from capitulating to anti piracy calls from these writers which with an ounce of class analysis people rallying behind them under the banner of the "artist" and the elevation of creativity to these sacred and frankly annoying levels would realise that they'll also get fucked over not just by the copyright laws but also the anti piracy itself. These wealthy writers are only looking out for themselves idk why at any point anyone thought it'd be a "democratic win". Stephen King does not have the same class interest as you. Be fucking serious.

[rosaluxembae]

I've managed to confuse myself about antebellum US politics again XD I mean it's weird because the rural/agricultural parties (Democratic-Republicans in the 1st, Democrats in the 2nd and 3rd party systems) were also the more anti-British, whereas the urban/bourgeois parties (Federalists, Whigs, Republicans* in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd party systems respectively) were more favourable towards Britain. But like the agricultural parties opposed tariffs because they relied on exports, while the industrial parties supported them to protect US industry. So you'd expect it to be the other way around? Like the planters to have closer links to British businesses so more sympathetic? I guess it must be something to do with the particular development of (Northern) US industry but idk enough to say what tbh

[selamat-linting]

dear lord help, the anti ai art people are starting to target people who made realistic reference painting

[alientitty]

american economists will do anything to call as many people as possible middle class. ive seen some measures go straight from "poor" to "lower middle class" so they can avoiding even saying the word "worker." it's a great way to try and convince everyone that they're a potential business owner so that they side with policies that benefit million-dollar megacorps and real estate cartels because it's "good for business"

[ciswomenofficial]

TFW you just measure whether a society does something that you consider to be “bad” and if it does you measure it to be a failure and you ignore all the ways that it was vastly better than what came before or after it.

[apas-95]

Any analysis of fascism that posits the USA in 1776 as a fascist state is one where 'fascism' is just an edgier way to say 'capitalism' - what capitalism isn't fascist, in this view; and what's the purpose of the term in that case?

Fascism is a specific formulation of capitalism which emerges when the capitalist system is in extreme crisis (specifically a crisis of entrenched fixed capital devastating the rate of profit). It is characterised by the extension of imperial methods to the population of imperial core itself - an autocannibalism when all other sources of profit have dried up - and the mobilisation of the petty-bourgeoisie. It explicitly borrows the methods of settler-colonialism to apply not only to its colonies, but also to itself. Fascism is not simply 'when genocide happens' - capitalism under liberal-democracy carries out genocide just as well.

In this regard it is essentially appropriate to say that fascism has been superfluous in the USA - a fascist movement has historically never been able to seriously gain ground in the USA because the needs of fascism are already met by straightforward settler-colonialism. There has been no deep crisis to spur on fascism, and no need to divide the populace and expropriate some portion of it, because the USA already has an exploitative and expropriative relationship with its internal colonies. This arrangement is not fascist, it is straightforwardly colonial.

There can only be a real fascist movement and fascist state in the USA if two conditions are met: 1) the settler state can no longer wring enough profit out of the exploitation of the indigenous and black peoples; and, 2) serious economic failure and crisis threatens the existence of capitalism, by inspiring popular revolt and communist organisation.

[frankendykes-monster]

It's been a while since one has been passed around but does anyone remember when we'd periodically see people on here repost reports from undercover cops trying to get intel on activist/revolutionary groups and they came back with "we can't get anything because all these people do is lounge around, smoke weed, and form cliques over petty shit" and then the response on here would overwhelmingly be "haha it's so awesome that cops can't do anything because we pose no actual threat to bourgeoisie!"

[txttletale]

lowkey that does seem to be what your old argument was implying about artists though, that if you own the intellectual property (as you do with your games) then that somehow automatically makes you an aspiring petit bourgeoisie. genuinely, am I misunderstanding something about your earlier description of the petit bourgeoisie as a concept? hope you're having a good day

yea like i mean it is just factually true that the position of the independent artist is not a proletarian one, most independent artists are artisans and the more succesful ones are petty bourgeois. but yknow class positions aren't like, rpg classes, innate aspects of the self, they're just relations to economic means of production. when i say that independent artists aspire to be petty bourgeois it is because quite simply that is the path to economic success for them! to make the next hazbin hotel or digital circus or whatever and be able to hire proletarian artists to work on their properties while retaining ownership and profiting from it.

the reason the bait ask was silly was because it was implying some kind of moral or artistic superiority in art created by proletarians (in their capacity as exploited labour), not because they correctly identified that d&d artist drawing epic wholesome found family art splashes and i have different economic relations to our work