#personally I am team ‘lyctors are the humans’

[naberiustern]

“Gideon the ninth should adapted to a tv show!” “Gideon the ninth should be adapted to a game!” Youre all wrong, it should be adapted to a muppet movie.

[theskyexists]

SPOILERS

Notes & apparent inconsistencies & questions on Harrow the Ninth

Apparent inconsistencies:

Ianthe is telling Harrow something very important in the first few pages - but Harrow doesn't register AT ALL that she's saying that Harrow has a choice in this - the ability to let go and become a full Lyctor - she never responds to this and responds uncharacteristically hostilely to Ianthe by that point in their relationship

How could and why would Commander Wake be trying to possess Harrow's body and Cytherea's at the same time? is that even possible?

Is there an implication that Wake is also somehow multiple people? Like with all those names.

Why wouldn't Ianthe have been able to use the bone scaffolding that Harrow made and grow her own flesh? Or is it impossible to make endlessly regrowing flesh? Or is she just not good enough for that?

Things I feel might have been contrived:

Ianthe needing Harrow to do her arm for her when there were at least two people around who could have fixed it for her

God not checking out Harrow's temporal lobe more thoroughly

Harrow insisting on staying out of God's secured room/God not forcing her to stay with him in his secured room

Notes:

That was definitely a rug pull with GideonOrtus NOT being Gideon's dad after all - but still involved with her mother. That red hair bait and switch sure was confusing for a bit there. I of course made it worse by assuming Anastasia was more important than she was.

Rereading a bit - it seems that they wanted to breach to Alecto to confirm their theory that God had lied to them.

I counted seven memes? I think.

A lot of things are smoothed over when you realise that God lies a lot

When Harrow saved GideonOrtus from the incinerator she was saving Pyrrha. 

Harrow had to check Ianthe's jaw and tongue because she needed the curse she put on them to hold.

I was so goddamn confused over Anastasia and the commander for so long goddamn. But Anastasia simply died a regular old death on the Ninth I guess.

God knew Augustine - the person - before the resurrection? And Augustine became different person after. Were they a team of scientists or what?

In some places 'Cytherea' and 'Wake' are in red.

Questions:

Is it true that Gideon's mother's spirit ran from the calls of Ninth necros but returned as a revenant to haunt ....Harrow? She was stuck on her bones and then SOMEHOW and inexplicably the sword...yes?

Why would letter!Harrow insist on second!Harrow carrying around the sword like that? What was so important about it according to her??? Why bathe it in arterial blood? Why the fuck let it never be taken? Why not let it pierce living flesh? Don't get those instructions in retrospect.

Why would Gideon's mum try and kill GideonOrtus? (I.e. her lover)

Why would Gideon's mum save Gideon in Harrow's body (from Mercy?) - but not kill Mercy?

Why did Wake in Cytherea's body want to be killed?

Is the two-hander significant? Was it Gideon's mum's? Nothing is said about that in book 1 I don't think? Why did Haz-suit/the sleeper have it on her? But then in the final confrontation she did not. 

Why did the narrator which at the time was Gideon - talk about Pal seeing 'me' in the river bubble - in a similar haz suit?

Why did Harrow the Ninth say that her manipulations of her temporal lobe etc. would kill her? Oh I can answer that one, she meant for it to be permanent and she's dramatic.

Why did the sleeper in Harrow's bubble so conveniently get rid of only those Lyctor candidates that were just dolls? 

Was all the talk about time and mastering time a fucking red herring???

How did Alecto help the Lyctors become Lyctors?

Am I right in concluding that God killed ten billion people with a bomb to absorb them and resurrect humanity again? A bit like Teacher but better? Wake implies this but???

If you go into the river do you become a mad ghost for sure????? Or do you just swim across to get to the other side?

How did Cytherea's corpse get the hell around the ship? How was Wake implanted in the corpse?

IF we assume that Gideon's sword held the thanergetic link that Wake used - and a transferral took place between the sword and Cytherea's corpse - why did Harrow in her sleep facilitate that transferral by stabbing the corpse? Why did original Harrow warn against that exact thing? Are we assuming that Harrow regained ALL her memories and there wasn't more to Harrow's instructions and letters and ' fail state' language?

Why did Pyrrha kill Wake immediately?

How come Gideon only surfaced the last time Harrow went into the river during unconsciousness??

Was Gideon's appearance during the first book what pushed Cytherea to simply start murdering everyone ?

I still don't understand why Gideon did not die to the gassing as a baby???

Why did Pyrrha think that Harrow was Wake when Cytherea was wake and GideonOrtus (??) seemed to know that well enough that he made out with her?????

Why did God think that having them kill their cavaliers would be easier??? Was that simple carelessness and callousness? Underestimation of how much that love and guilt would weigh on them? (Which seems in character)

WHY???? Was it necessary to become Lyctors at all?? Like - was that really fuckin worthwhile at the time?? I can see how God might push them because he knew the RB's were coming for him and he could throw Lyctors at them....

Why would God throw his Lyctors at RB's if they can't even kill him? Why not fucking wrestle them himself?

[sluttyprinceundying]

#personally I am team ‘lyctors are the humans’#just cause gtn having just ‘dulcinea’ as the only human just feels like it follows muppet movie rules without anything sinister under it#but those who know KNOW

“Gideon the ninth should adapted to a tv show!” “Gideon the ninth should be adapted to a game!” Youre all wrong, it should be adapted to a muppet movie.