#people talking about her poor health.... tywin hoping she dies so he could marry cersei to rhaegar...

[bpdamandayoung]

Lyanna Stark this Lyanna Stark that - Elia Martell is MY ASOIAF dead girl

[janiedean]

I started following you thinking you were different from these crazy puritan sjw but goddman when it comes to character you don't like you act exactly like them. Basically character u like --> "poor child he had a difficult childhood :(( here's one hundred thousand meta to justify all his horrible actions "crazy psycho bitch burn her!! no meta no justification she's just horrible it's canon!!11" I smell hypocrisy. Quite disappointed

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anon are you okay?

no, are you okay?

first thing I never said anyone should burn or die or whatever, second thing, have you read the text? because if character A is an abuse victim and character B is their abuser I am not excusing anything, I’m explaining you that they’re different, especially when fandom likes to take at face value the fact that they’re similar when in the text it says otherwise.

also lmao if you go around tumblr there’s thousand words of meta about how everything horrible cersei does is to pin on robert or society or jaime or tyrion or tywin and not at least partially on her terrible personality so excuse me if I write my thousand words of meta about how the characters I like work?

also, have you seen me actually bashing cersei or anyone I don’t like? like, openly bashing? posting on the character tag? (because guess what all my posts are tagged anti in a way that makes sure they won’t end on the main tag or the mobile tag, how bad of me huh?) making shit up about how terrible they are? of course I’m not writing you a ten thousand word meta about a character I openly dislike or loathe because I’m not the right person to do it, but now if I point out their objective flaws that can be found in the damned text itself I’m a puritan?

but that said, since you’re talking about cersei:

I only talk about cersei in relation to jaime. period. and cersei is his abuser. period. it’s text. make peace with it.

I don’t post meta about cersei. I never once posted publicly on tumblr anything like OH GOD I HOPE SHE DIES BURNING.

I don’t like cersei. I never made a mystery of it. I also never talked shit about cersei for things that never happened. have you ever seen me going like OH GOD SHE’S BANGING PEOPLE LEFT AND RIGHT WHAT A SLUT? no. because I don’t think it’s a thing she should be bashed for. she should be criticized because she’s a horrible person. guess what, 99% of the smart people I know who like cersei like her because she’s a terrible person and enjoy terrible characters.

I don’t particularly like dany or margaery or lf, just thinking about the first other three that come into mind. do you ever see me even discussing either? no. because I don’t remember half of dany’s chapters and I know most fandom likes marg and blah blah blah and I know my opinion isn’t required and I don’t particularly care about it. how is that the same as what you’re implying?

I never called cersei a ‘crazy bitch psycho’. I said cersei is a narcissist who only loves people as extensions of herself, which excuse me but is fucking canon and it only takes reading the damned book to figure that shit out. some characters are terrible people. she’s a terrible person. period. and okay, justification? no meta?

fine enough.

cersei has, textually: a dominant personality to the point that her twin thinks he’s the same as she is because she tells him to while he does exactly the contrary and neither of them notices, she took the first step in most of the important milestones in her and jaime’s relationship, she was half of the reason he joined the KG ‘so they’d be together’ fully knowing he was losing his inheritance for it, meanwhile she was drawing herself and rhaegar on dragons and lied to him about the subject of said drawings (TEXT, go look for it, it’s in affc), then she was hoping to marry rhaegar while being with jaime at the same time and telling him he was the only one for her, pushed in a well her companion/friend who dared ask maggy if she’d marry jaime when she was older at the ripe age of twelve, twelve, and all along she was abusing tyrion to hell and back to the point where he was younger than ten and fantasizing about burning her and their father alive but not jaime, and guess what, since she has a goddamned vagina and she’s a woman, half of what she does is excused because SHE’S SUPPOSEDLY A FEMINIST ROLE MODEL.

but okay, if you want the ‘justification’: I absolutely and totally recognize that cersei was hindered by her position and her gender and that westerosi society was not the right place for her, I recognize that she was in an abusive marriage with an asshole of a husband that I don’t even like and that it made her even worse, I recognize that she thinks she loves her children (at most she loved one of them tbqh but never mind that), I can give her that she became a way worse person and her mental health got worse through her marriage, but that doesn’t mean she wasn’t an abusive asshole before then or is tyrion making his trauma up nor that as much as being married to robert would have made her worse she was already a person With A Lot Of Issues before then. wow, it’s as if having issues doesn’t automatically excuse you from your bad actions, and I write thousands of meta about jaime because his bad actions are explained and put into context by the trauma he has gone through and are not a direct consequence of his personality traits while cersei’s are mostly the latter, but this entire damned fandom ignores it and thinks they’re the same person.

that’s the goddamned problem.

and excuse me but I don’t have to spend hours of my time writing meta about a character I don’t even like when the world is full of people excusing her bullshit at every damned turn or doing it properly and understanding her better than I might anyway. and when at least to others she’s interesting, to me she’s really damned not. and when I talk about her I stick to objective facts.

and yes, she’s horrible and it’s canon.

deal. with. it.

ramsay bolton is horrible and it’s canon. roose is horrible and it’s canon. tywin is horrible and it’s canon. littlefinger is horrible and it’s canon. wow, it’s as if some characters are antagonists or negative. also, cat is horrible to jon in canon and I could write thousands of words of meta about how I still think she’s an amazing conceived character and one of my favorites without at the same time diminishing the fact that she fucked up jon enough that he should do ten years of therapy when I also love jon as a character as well. I love cat. I also love jon. cat is horrible to jon even if she could admittedly have been way worse, but she was. it’s canon. I don’t need to tell myself she’s been a great mother and such a good influence on him or to find a way to excuse her actions (at most explain them) to make myself feel better. because it’s canon.

people denying that jaime was a good person to begin with are ignoring canon. and so I’m writing ten thousand words meta about it because I like this idiot and he speaks to me on various levels. it’s called being in fandom.

if you think it’s so hypocritical to point out that an antagonist IS DESCRIBED AS A NEGATIVE PERSON when SOMEONE WHO’S NOT IS NOT, fair enough.

but this was really out of this world.

now it’s hypocritical to point out objective character flaws. okay.