#pan and some flavour of aroace

[sofusgirl]

God, this became too much to just do in tags i think lol.

I used to really love Spike and Buffy together.

(I'm ignoring the seeing red episode bc I think it was unnecessary and out of character for both, and that Whedon def has some kind of obsession with that kind of storyline)

I just adore a snarky villain being forced to do better and ending up falling for the person they used to hate and want dead.

And I also think it's really neat when she was brought back from the dead by her friends, without her consent, stuck with bills to pay and no job, and a teenager to take care of... And Spike is there going wow that was kinda shit.

His empathy when he saw her hands and realised she'd had to claw herself out of the ground?!

Anyway i think it could have been so good.

Joss kinda blew it, but it couldve been great.

Anyway, it's been a while since I've seen Buffy so i may be misremembering sone things but still.

I'm curious. Tag this with your sexuality and what your favorite M/F ship is.

[velvet-cupcake-games]

It's About to Get Real Gay in Here

I am fully transitioning to work on John's route this week, and I realized that from here on out in the main game, all Made Marion romances are unambiguously Queer 4 Queer (except Gui's, which is Almost Certainly Q4Q But It Doesn't Really Come Up). I didn't mean to put the two most hetero guys first. John was actually supposed to be the second route, but his route and Robin's are two of my most emotionally complex to write and I wanted a break in-between.

For newer fans, it shakes out like this (in modern terminology):

Marion is and always has been bi/pansexual.

John is a bi/pansexual cis man.

Meissa is a bi non-binary person with a preference for femme-leaning partners.

Alanna is a lesbian cis woman.

Gui is some flavour of non-hetero and is cis but gender-nonconforming.

Geoffrey is a demisexual cis man (and probably somewhere on the aromantic spectrum as well).

So let's put down a few Ask Box Ground Rules!

I will brook no homo-, bi-, aroace-, or transphobia in the ask box. If your question is offensive it gets deleted. I've been blessed with a generally quite pleasant ask box so far, let's keep it that way!

Yes, these basic sexual preferences are canon. I don't use modern sexuality terminology in the game because research strongly points to pre-modern peoples not thinking of sexuality as an inborn orientation. But of course pre-modern people knew that different people have different sexual preferences.

Why do I use bi/pan for Marion and John? Because they could easily use either label to describe themselves and because I like to reinforce the fact that bisexuality is not trans- or non-binary exclusive. This is not up for debate on this blog.

I will be particularly cranky if there is hate toward John as a bisexual man who has had male partners in the past. I've seen this happen to other LGBT/amare romance VN developers and I have no tolerance for it. If I get flooded with this kind of thing, I will simply turn off anon.

In a similar vein, I have been open about the fact that Meissa has a penis. I don't do ambiguous genitals for non-binary characters because I write explicit love scenes and it would absolutely not be fair to be all "and then they touched each other in their happy spots" for only non-binary characters. We all have bits, regardless of gender identity. This does not mean that Meissa is a man. They are not.

Everybody good? Good! Let's have fun, be gay, and, well... as this IS a Robin Hood game... DO CRIMES.

[bogcreacher]

question question can i have the sexualities/identitirs of your wing of flire creatures i oanna know

i WILL draw pride art for em but the main cast is as follows:

Haunted - biromantic + ace and trans

Fennec - pan and gender weird

Mako - gay

Wolf - bi and trans

Red Kite - butch lesbian

also some side characters (I’ll pop em under the cut)

Whalefall is nonbinary and aroace, Trench and Anura are gay-married, as are Rorqual and Nacre.

Stygian is trans n ace-spec like Haunted, Astral is probably a lesbian but no one wants her

From my Horst side story (i need a stupid name for it) Slate is trans, Sidewinder and Gharial are some flavour of queer, and Taipan and Deathstalker are gay dating :]

feel free to ask bout anyone else!

[olderthannetfic]

Tbh I think most pride flags are kinda… meh. I like the original 8, 6, 7, and the 9 stripe, but that's because it's literally just a rainbow, and it's a nice accent to things. But anything beyond that? Bi flag feels a mess, the purple is dreadful. Pan is too intense, and I don't like that it looks like an ice cream flavour that probably tastes of chemicals. The lesbian and gay pride flags feel too "gendered" with "Pink is for girls, blue for boys" while also just feeling kinda uninspired. The trans flag has a bit of the same issue, and feels like gender reveal flag and almost a bit childish. NB and some of the other trans/not-cis flags just look kinda haphazard. The AroAce flags just look a bit sad, and the toxic green is a meh at best. The intersex flag is also too intense, and while it's nice that a flag doesn't just rely on stripes, the color combo still looks ugly.

I'm def someone who's a bit negative, and I know some ppl really really love them, but all that has always been the reason why I never bother with pride merch outside a 6-stripe rainbow flag I got for free, and a 6-stripe ribbon I also got for free. Only time I can vaguely tolerate the colors is when people do art using the colors, but often they actually adjust the saturation and make the colors work together instead of just forcing together tones that don't wanna fit together.

--

The only one I rather like is the leather pride flag.

[justanotherhh]

Hi! Love your blog! I have a question:

Maybe it's because I listen to a lot of crime podcasts, but I have never associated psychopathy with being aro and/or ace (despite or maybe because I'm on the aroace spectrum myself?). Is this one of those things where there are people out there equating – I imagine especially aromanticism – with being emotionless? I feel like I've mainly heard the – also horrible – comments of aroace people being "like robots". Then again, I'm not "fully" aroace, nor have I had the need to be super open about it, so I don't pay much attention to this stuff.

Anyway, while I agree that calling Alastor an "evil psychopath" is simplifying things something that frustrates me in parts of the Hellaverse fandom in general....or just fandom in general, tbf...I don't think considering him to be on the ASPD spectrum is incorrect?

Enough rambling and onto my main question: in your opinion, should I always clarify that when I call someone a psychopath and that person also happens to be aro and/or ace, that the two things are not correlated? I don't want to accidentally imply something hurtful/feed into a horrible social mentality. P.S. I want to be clear that I don't want to imply that all people with ASPD are murderers/rapists etc either. Though clearly Alastor is the former. Of course they're not. And I can only imagine how much of a struggle living with such a disorder might be.

hello hello, thank you for the questions. i shall try to be methodical and not rambly (we'll see how it pans out)

yeah there's a big ableist and queerphobic cliché around "emotionless" characters being psychopaths who don't love -- basically it's an oversimplification of psychopathy and often conflates it with being psychotic, and of course, it assumes a correlation both between psychopathy and being evil, and being aspec -- especially the kind that's further down the end of repulsed and loveless and aplatonic -- as being evil (with "love" being the opposite of these things, which, tangent, do have a whooole other post on with this show, because it's done some very fun and potentially future-interesting things on love and sex)

the key here is that aro and/or ace is often never spoken of in narratives when this happens because well... people don't know wtf that is, so it's got that similar flavour to "oh well buffalo bill isn't transphobic, because actually the character isn't trans, the cisgender psychiatrist said so!" (actually... whole other thing on that too, but not on this blog... basically jame gumb is underrated and i root for them every time i watch the movie), but it's the Idea that "love makes you human, and sex is always assumed with love, and if you don't feel those things, it's a clue that you're evil, and the shorthand for that is psychopathic" -- generally the person writing this has never actually researched the words psychopath or psychotic, it's not about being interested in those concepts in characters, it's just a synonym for Bad

and yeah, the "like robots" fully ties into this -- the other side of the coin is aspec people as children, but alastor sooo far doesn't seem to be read this way, although the whole "but if he just discovers how to do Love/Touch/Sex in [insert whatever is wanted for this narrative] he'll become better" does play into some of those tropes too, that there is inherently something mentally ill about being aspec, and that being mentally ill is a sign of Badness (there really is a whole Essay i could do on this, and the general overlap between aspec-writing and trans-writing but! i will resist!), and it's about whether or not the Badness can be cured. if not, he's a psychopath, if yes, it's through normative relationship structures/fundamentally changing the character

it all comes down to actual curiosity -- hc'ing alastor as ASPD is totally fine (i also hc blitzø from helluva boss as BPD) and can open up a lot of doors for interrogation and interest, it's whether someone is using mental health as shorthand for shutting down further interaction with the character (think Psycho's "ah yes, this character is schizophrenic and has mother issues, hence why wearing women's clothing, the end"), or if this allows further play with the character, opens up potential doors, considers the character as rounded, rather than one-note. some aspec people do have a history of trauma or have personality disorders or are autistic, but is someone actually interested in exploring the rich variation of queerness within a character, or are we "explaining it away" as something that's merely a symptom (often one that is imagined to be fixable)

generally, im so into poking at villains and i think alastor is one of the juiciest characters ive had to play with in awhile, mainly because it feels like a lot of his writing is intentional and isn't me deciding to delve into the motivations of [slasher/monster/villain/etc] that doesn't actually exist in the text -- and i think alastor definitely does have some Stuff that could be unpacked from a neurodivergent and mental health perspective, even and including parts of his aroaceness

so in the end, picturing him on the ASPD spectrum and even linking that to aroaceness... I mean, totally chill. al-old-pal does have low empathy, and a pattern of reckless, violent behaviour, and fundamentally views relationships differently from the norm. im making arguments that he hasn't been able to create the kind of intimacy that works for him, except for perhaps with rosie and maaaaybe mimzy and niffty (@creepysora has had some very cool ideas of him connecting in alternate ways that work with his way of being and boundaries), but that doesn't mean he's suddenly More remorseful or empathetic about how his actions affect others

it's about whether or not one is using that as a way of minimising or pathologising aroaceness, and/or as a way of making aspec identities all about self-hatred (and that in turn fuels villainy), and/or generally as an explanation of his villainy as some inherent degeneracy, and/or using the word "psychopath" to mean something completely different from what it actually is... that's when we get into sticky territory

and in the end, it can be hard -- something that's perfectly reasonable to one person, could be crossing a boundary for someone else and we just have to live with that, so don't wait on my blessing, i just think as long as one's caring and curious it's heading in the right direction. i watch a lot of horror, and i can usually recognise when something is well-meaning and something is lazy, and even times when it's the latter i can still find enjoyment (think angela from sleepaway camp -- on the flipside the movie they/them was well-meaning and a complete miss in its final political statement)

i recognise also im bringing up a lot of trans villainy as-example, rather than aspec villainy. that's a. because my special interest is trans horror so go figure and b. because that overlap is soooo real

(another example, not horror unless you're a karate kid 3 truther, is the character terry silver, who is never stated to be aromantic, but whose villainy on the later show cobra kai is intimately tied to an unspecified madness that includes low empathy and... no love, vs all the happily monogamous (het) relationships around him. he's not aromantic, he's not diagnosed with anything, it's not of interest to the story that he may be mentally ill or have PTSD or be aro and possibly loveless or that he may be gay -- because yes, he's coded that way too and that overlap is also real, and a whole other tangent i could go on -- it's just subtext to add to the villainy)

now another tangent, but loosely connected: was reading a transcript of the 1974 TS/TV conference (the first of its kind that was organised in the way it was) -- a series of talks over the course of a weekend discussing trans rights, especially in healthcare, and it fully contained a section of someone saying that "true" transsexuals can be recognised because before they physically transition (into binary genders)... they're asexual. because they hate their bodies so much that they can't feel sexual attraction to others. lot to unpack there, but really in this little conversation as example, what i mean is that the roots of pathologising aspec identities run very very deep, including within the wider LGBT+ community, and since alastor is quite a complex character that has done some very bad things, it's worth really thinking about what headcanoning him as one way or another says about the character for oneself. what does it add? what does it potentially demonise or minimise? what does it allow?

the neat thing about hellaverse is the sheer amount of queer characters meaning we can go beyond "if x character is Bad this represents Every person within this group" but with alastor being (so far) the only character who's not doing the whole love-and-sex game (although i think striker counts in this as well, personally + listen... sir pentious givin' real demi vibes. and if we're looking for a link between trauma and asexuality, well, angel is right there. and, and, and...), it does bear going the extra length to learn about -- especially since a lot of people really don't know that these biases even exist in the first place, which leads to a lot of unthinking perpetuating

i think a good place to start would honestly be: "would this feel like a queerphobic and ableist coding if the character were gay? trans? bi?" not because we're totally over queerphobic writing in general (lol, can you imagine), but as a starting point: are we treating aspec identity in text in a way that makes the idea of being aspec in and of itself degeneracy?

but like. hell yeah villains. hell yeah neurodivergency, mental illness, low empathy, lovelessness, unhealthy coping mechanisms, Bad Mean Queers, cannibalism, and characters you just can't quite suss out. big into a fucked up little guy

how did i do on the ramblyness

[sexiestfishermanalive]

time to drop my ever after high queer headcanons <2

raven: i get major bi vibes idk why but yeah

apple: a lesbian with comphet if i've ever seen one (she feels pressured to be straight to get her heteronormative fairytail ending but ends up with darling as her princess charming)

maddie: AROACE ICON AROACE ICON, also genderqueer, uses any pronouns but espc loves neo pronouns

ashley: TGIRL SWAG TGIRL SWAG and also probably pan

briar: ace and bi. very certain about that.

cedar: pan, also maybe i get some demigirl vibes

kitty: non-sam aro non-sam aro!!!!!! nonbinary!! their ideal gender presentation would be for ppl to look at them and just. have no idea what their gender is. keep guessing it's fun for them

lizzie: aroace & romance-repulsed (also in a poly qpp with kitty and maddie <2)

faybell: biggest lesbian ever like she is the walking mean lesbian stereotype, also transfemme (and also in a relationship with briar holy shit briarbell is my eah otp)

cerese: genderfluid and doesn't label her sexuality

duchess: even meaner lesbian alert!!!!

darling: sword lesbian <2 also some flavour of not cis but idk which

cupid: i love the aroace cupid headcanon sm but also like pan cupid so i really don't know

[ace-of-garlic-breads]

my thoughts on Animaniacs Characters:

Yakko Warner : Chaotic Bi/pan (I like both hcs) Theater Kid (and deffinately a he/they)..Nerd, Swiftie

Wakko Warner: Non-Binary(they/them) /aroace icon who is great a cooking/baking. Swiftie

Dot Warner: Bi Queen.(ace too) who mimics her brothers cause she looks up to them (this is how I justify her kinda stealing her sibs "things"(I already mentioned this in a prior post)), Swiftie

Pinkey: cute, rocks for brains, genderfluid (because I said so) HUGE swiftie

Brain: Asexual.

Slappy: Mean/chaotic Lesbian grandma who will blow you up if you inslult her nephew/grandchild

Skippy: Nerodivergent. and just all around adorable. Swiftie

Rita: badass, slytherin energy, has the best singing voices in the whole show (there i said it)

Runt: no thoughts. just floof, golden retreaver energy, cutie, floof. Best boi

Hello Nurse: LESBIAN ICON, doesn't get payed enough, should have been the CEO in the reboot.

Dr, Scrach'n'sniff: some flavour of queer, doesn't get payed enough. secret Swiftie

Mr Plotz: asshole.

Nora Norita: bitch. (with a backstory)

Katie Kaboom: Love her (I may have a bais towards her cause I am also a teenager named Katie with anger issues) (tbh we look alike to) bicon.

Minerva Mink: Bicon

Marita & Flavio Hippo(they can't be seperated): couple goals.

Good feathers (again they are a packaged deal) : I kinda hate them tbh (Squit has to be my fave tho)

Mindey: kinda annoying (she's still cute tho), she like MLP, her parents are in the words of Comic book guy (the Simpsons): the.worst.cartoon.parents.ever

Buttons: 2nd best boi (after Runt ofc) but would be a better Parent to Mindey. doesn't get rewarded for his efforts to keep Mindey alive and give this boy a break

William and Angilina II Warner: the fandom has basically just gave them whole personalities (hell idk if Angilina II even has a canon name) and backstories and I am HERE FOR IT!

Cora Norita: annoying Tiktok "influencer" (who's Mommy pays people to follow her) would be friends with Kaite Kaboom

Ralph.T. Guard: small brain, big heart. loyal af, hufflepuff energy tbh (still don't really like him tho)

Julia Brain: Sapphic queen. (married to Billie from the OG series) Rep era Swiftie 100%

Billie: Sweetie. loves her wife sm,

Chicken Boo: he wears a discuise to look like Human Guys but yer not a man your a chicken boo.

did I forget your Favorite? if so let me know!

[mewmewchann]

…Okay, I know you’ve definitely mentioned them multiple times before, but I can’t seem to find them anywhere, so… what are your Fangan OCs’ romantic/sexual orientations again???

DFTH:

Kokoro Hikari - straight

Jasper Shion - gay

Haruto Sora - straight

Sachiko Akahana - straight

Saiko Aishi - straight

Miko Tsunade - bi

Ayano Sunako - straight

Amai Akuma - biromantic ace

Ahmya Aika - aroace

Kaoru Odayaka - gay

Rikona Fumiko - lesbian

Yuuma Todoroki - currently questioning, but labels as queer for now

Slade - gay

Nisetaro Tokumei - gay (he exists in the universe so it feels right to put him here)

Hope's Chains:

Katsumi Akira - heteroromantic ace

Hideyoshi Tsuchiya - biromantic ace

Hotaru Tachibana - straight

Daisuke Ito - straight

Azami Chitose - biromantic ace

Kazuhiko Ueda - pan

Naoki Sato - pan (NB)

Itsuru Kitagawa - pan (transmasc)

Keiko Kameko - straight

Eren Yoshida - bi

Takeo Taigen - straight

Hana Mari - straight

Saki Miyuki - questioning, but some flavour of wlw

Seira Suzuki - lesbian

Callas the Mighty - lesbian

Pyuko - aroace

Monochan - ???

Hikaru Ayana - straight

Usagi Tomoe - straight

[fjoundfjamily]

e24 hour of honour !!

piano shenanigans!!! pianigans!

liam’s astonishment at matt’s sound effects always kills me :)

nott is SO mom that she suggests hiring a courtesan to look after kiri

and fjord really fuckin commits. aroace fjord is life and really makes for some of the best comedic moments

wow i’m. them singing careless whisper abt caleb actually works surprisingly well. “never gonna dance again, guilty feet have got no rhythm”

in other news i need a compilation of EVERY time the cr cast sings. heart full

this ep is a Chaos Ep. love.

FJORD JUST HAS TO COMPLY WITH SOCIAL CONVENTION

yes i’ll put a deposit down for three “””companions””” that i do not want and have just been offered an out of because i do not want to offend them

baby just. tell ppl what you actually want instead of trying to please them and perhaps you and they will actually be happier

i’m actually very emotional about aroace fjord.

like. i would be incredibly happy with either that or fjorclay as an ending

god. thoreau lionett can get FUCKED

these. actors. are so. skilled!!!

the way they cut between scenes as if they’ve been talking for a few minutes already i just. it feels so everyday and natural

jdjshdhs caleb is just. so excited by book stores my SON

matt has ONE (1) flavour of child lmaoooo

i really appreciate matt’s dedication to flirting with all of his players

nott “i’ve never had a drink in my life” the brave

“little caleb” thanks matt for my life

THE TRIFECTA IS COMPLETE

nott’s now given her name as veth, bren and otto

NOTT IS SO FULL OF SELF DOUBT BUT SHES SO GOOD AND I LOVE HER SO MUCH

and so feral omg “victory will be ours in any arenaaaaa”

liam really blessed us with singing caleb this ep

liam’s bard character when

TIME! FOR! THE! WALTZ!

molly and nott dancing!!! her lil feet won’t touch the ground!

lil drunk caleb realising his mistake!!! :/

JESTER TUCKING HER FRIEND INTO BED I LOVE HER

molly “whatever team you’re on i’m not sure i play for that one” tealeaf

i love shenanigans

detective nott!!

mollymauk “do i have masculine wiles?” tealeaf is a genderqueer icoN

nott “you have... pan wiles” the brave realises she just stepped in it

shearing is what they call scissoring on exandria

aahhhhh beau reminding rissa that she has a good dad. talking about family names. ahhh

fjord and beau do their fair share of chaos when it comes to intimidating

ok a LOT of content just happened in about 3 lines so imma do emotions for all of them

1) fjord: give us a moment, will you?

my SON just wants these ORPHANS to have a FAMILY. i love how much everyone’s family background affects how they are around other people’s families. very good

2) molly: how soft are you getting?

molly of course doesn’t know about fjord’s bg, but this is absolutely a criticism of his sentimentality. interesting that it’s caduceus who allows fjord to explore all that

3) nott: it’s very clear. we have kiri already, we take these four children with us, and we keep going

the others laugh at this like it’s a joke, even matt, but nott is deadly serious and it’s already established, even this early, how protective she is especially of children. i love her so so much

everything this cast does blows me away basically it’s so hard to believe it’s all improvised. @ the critrole writers come out of hiding

nott asks fjord if he was an orphan. he doesn’t respond immediately and everyone else moves on but nott sticks to her guns.

maybe now is when nott decides that fjord is hers. maybe here is where the teasing starts - less motherly than sisterly. either way, it’s to include him. she can’t be like she was with caleb bc they already have an established relationship. ahhhhh nott

and molly immediately realising his mistake. “say no more, i’m in”. he’s good actually

wow turns out i thought a lot this time

[wardenalistair]

So in OTI, are there more queer characters besides Klance and the Holts?

first point: feel free to headcanon them as whatever you prefer!!! I dont have a preference for them in OTI so I’m open to almost anything! I like when readers can project their headcanons onto the characters so think of them as whatever sexualities you like! :)

i dont have designated sexualities for everyone but i sure do have headcanons! spoiler alert: almost everyone is some flavour of queer lmao

(a quick note that OTI characters are VERY aged up. like 20 at the minimum for the youngest of them!)

i’d like to think that Shiro is at least bi if not pan. he’s pretty open to anything tbh - such a kind soul

Hunk strikes me as a panromantic kinda boy! he’s got a lotta love to give

i can’t let go of my aroace pidge headcanon i love it so much

i dont think allura has an id. she just kinda likes people the people she likes ya know? 

coran is gay fight me on this

i think OTI Nyma is het but idk about canon Nyma ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

OTI Rolo is bi imo but i haven’t thought about it much tbh!

lance is bi through and through

and my son keith is super gay

Bonus! Kale is the Panest of the Pan. 

[shadowsofcolour]

Kvenas is Gay

Torian is gay and when back home uses he/they pronouns as he's masc/neutral (tldr, his home recognises 5 genders, masc, masc-neutral, neutral, neutral-femme, femme, plus a 6th which is basically used for other, choosing not to say, or unknown by speaker. Children are refered to by the [assigned]-neutral, and it's normal and expected that they may choose different when they come of age. It's also not uncommon for people to switch)

Naraseth is...idk man I just work here. Jokes aside, he's some flavour of queer, and while his activities would imply pansexual, his actual answer would be "I like who I like, beyond that is between me and them."

Naidraug is bi/pan and transmasc

Tvenoru is transmasc and currently not invested in figuring out his sexuality (mostly from a "too much going on rn" sense)

Aros is aroace (his name came years before this hilariously, so I didn't name him after the aromantic part)

Lusceras, Arasye, Amaria, and Syven are all pan/poly, Syven is also very gender non-conforming

Talvera is bi with about 90% leaning towards femme partners

And while they aren't LGBT+ themselves, it is worth noting Gyetro and Makadré are extremely supportive to the point torian actually forgot to come out to them before introducing his boyfriend to them, and didn't realise until 6 months later

Is your OC LGBT?